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[patinorange]

Giants' final drive:

1-10, NY 20 - Manning 19 to Cruz - he had tons of time to throw...Cruz makes a diving catch. Barrett is injured, which costs NE a timeout, giving the Giants a free stoppage (lucky bastards) - NE uses T.O. #2
1-10, NY 39 - Manning INC to Cruz
2-10, NY 39 - Manning INC to Cruz - NE uses T.O. #3
3-10, NY 39 - Manning 28 to Barrett - ridiculous, unbelievable catch, over-the-shoulder, going the other way, a catch that Aikman says this guy could play the rest of his career and never top that - friggin' A
1-10, NE 33 - Manning 12 run - longest run of the season for Eli - you gotta be kidding me - NY uses T.O. #2
1-10, NE 21 - Manning INC to Cruz - Pass Interference on Brown on a ball that's 10 yards away from Cruz, on a play where he isn't even *thinking* about trying to catch the ball - unbelievable
1-G, NE 1 - Manning INC to Ballard - good pressure, nice D
2-G, NE 1 - Jacobs no gain - another really good play by the D - NY uses T.O. #3
3-G, NE 1 - Manning 1 to Ballard, touchdown - somehow, on a play where there was NO way they would run the ball (with no timeouts left they wouldn't risk it), White bites on the play action...Eli throws off his back foot and Barrett makes another lunging/diving catch for the TD

So on this drive:
- The Giants get 3 great catches
- The Giants get a totally gift timeout by Barrett getting hurt
- The Giants get two timeouts used by NE
- The Giants get a PI call on a pass that isn't even remotely in the neighborhood of the receiver (yes there was contact - call it an illegal contact, 5-yarder...not a 20 yard PI penalty)
- The Giants get the longest run of the season by Eli Manning

Just an unbelievable sequence of events.

That run by Woodhead when he got twisted out of bounds really helped the Giants also. The clock stopped on that one.

[SWHB]

Jesus, quit with the fucking whining. Both PI's were correct calls. Maybe the rule sucks, but the refs got 'em right. And it's not like the Pats haven't benefited from PI's in the past.

The better team won a game they deserved to win.

Congrats, Montana. Pendejo.

I disagree; the ball has to be catchable for pass interference. The first call was correct, but I really think that the second one wasn't. Having said that, the offense and special teams were obviously much bigger issues than the refs.

[Frisbetarian]

Giants' final drive:

1-10, NY 20 - Manning 19 to Cruz - he had tons of time to throw...Cruz makes a diving catch. Barrett is injured, which costs NE a timeout, giving the Giants a free stoppage (lucky bastards) - NE uses T.O. #2
1-10, NY 39 - Manning INC to Cruz
2-10, NY 39 - Manning INC to Cruz - NE uses T.O. #3
3-10, NY 39 - Manning 28 to Barrett - ridiculous, unbelievable catch, over-the-shoulder, going the other way, a catch that Aikman says this guy could play the rest of his career and never top that - friggin' A
1-10, NE 33 - Manning 12 run - longest run of the season for Eli - you gotta be kidding me - NY uses T.O. #2
1-10, NE 21 - Manning INC to Cruz - Pass Interference on Brown on a ball that's 10 yards away from Cruz, on a play where he isn't even *thinking* about trying to catch the ball - unbelievable
1-G, NE 1 - Manning INC to Ballard - good pressure, nice D
2-G, NE 1 - Jacobs no gain - another really good play by the D - NY uses T.O. #3
3-G, NE 1 - Manning 1 to Ballard, touchdown - somehow, on a play where there was NO way they would run the ball (with no timeouts left they wouldn't risk it), White bites on the play action...Eli throws off his back foot and Barrett makes another lunging/diving catch for the TD

So on this drive:
- The Giants get 3 great catches
- The Giants get a totally gift timeout by Barrett getting hurt
- The Giants get two timeouts used by NE
- The Giants get a PI call on a pass that isn't even remotely in the neighborhood of the receiver (yes there was contact - call it an illegal contact, 5-yarder...not a 20 yard PI penalty)
- The Giants get the longest run of the season by Eli Manning

Just an unbelievable sequence of events.

The "amazing" catch by Barrett was amazingly misplayed by Chung. He was looking to make the interception - playing the ball - instead of lighting up Barrett and making sure he doesn't hold that ball.

[TheoShmeo]

Guyton and Spikes were hurt

When/how did Guyton get hurt? I don't remember that.

[Kull]

It would be pretty easy to say, "yes, the defense is not play-off caliber and thus the season is over". Because usually by Game 8 you've seen enough of the personnel to make a substantive decision. But with all the in-season roster changes these guys are still finding there way. Yes, they've had some atrocious series and there've been bone-head plays galore. But there's still time to see if these guys can jell and maybe put something together. At least this year there's a semblance of pass rush. No matter how unlikely it may seem, if the secondary can get their act together, there's still a chance.

On the other hand, today should be the final game of the Ochocinco experiment.

[j44thor]

The "amazing" catch by Barrett was amazingly misplayed by Chung. He was looking to make the interception - playing the ball - instead of lighting up Barrett and making sure he doesn't hold that ball.

Of course if Chung lights up the T/E he probably gets a 15yd penalty for hitting a defenseless receiver especially since they had both left their feet.

[Salva135]

The worst part is that Belichick will just give the same non-answers in his upcoming PCs, show no emotion or concern, and the machine will keep on rolling. It's charming strategy when the team is winning, but grows stale really fast when the losses start to roll up, and it's obvious who is responsible.

Edited by Salva135, 06 November 2011 - 07:59 PM.

[Harry Hooper]

It would be pretty easy to say, "yes, the defense is not play-off caliber and thus the season is over". Because usually by Game 8 you've seen enough of the personnel to make a substantive decision. But with all the in-season roster changes these guys are still finding there way. Yes, they've had some atrocious series and there've been bone-head plays galore. But there's still time to see if these guys can jell and maybe put something together. At least this year there's a semblance of pass rush. No matter how unlikely it may seem, if the secondary can get their act together, there's still a chance.

On the other hand, today should be the final game of the Ochocinco experiment.

If #85 made too many mistakes for you out there today, then #12 should be disemboweled.

[ivanvamp]

The "amazing" catch by Barrett was amazingly misplayed by Chung. He was looking to make the interception - playing the ball - instead of lighting up Barrett and making sure he doesn't hold that ball.

Well, the catch *was* amazing nonetheless. But I do think that DBs are hesitant to light up a receiver. Ballard was leaping...if Chung had drilled him while Ballard was still in the air, it would almost certainly have been a 15-yard personal foul penalty.

EDIT: or what j44thor said.

Edited by ivanvamp, 06 November 2011 - 08:00 PM.

[Reverend]

Of course if Chung lights up the T/E he probably gets a 15yd penalty for hitting a defenseless receiver especially since they had both left their feet.

Maybe, given the shitty calls, but it's the right play.

[SpacemanzGerbil]

The "amazing" catch by Barrett was amazingly misplayed by Chung. He was looking to make the interception - playing the ball - instead of lighting up Barrett and making sure he doesn't hold that ball.

This is exactly true. Patrick Chung is currently their best safety. He is also a massive bust who will probably be getting the McCourty treatment next summer.

[BigSoxFan]

Ballard's catch was for 28 fucking yards. Even a personal foul is a much better result than Patrick Chung completely whiffing on the play. This entire secondary is fucking awful. I can't even properly communicate how much I hate that entire unit.

[genoasalami]

A mediocre Jermaine Cunningham would ne useful.

[shawnrbu]

The worst part is that Belichick will just give the same non-answers in his upcoming PCs, show no emotion or concern, and the machine will keep on rolling.

That behavior will not be tolerated by Ben Cherington.

[Carmine Hose]

The Pats took 3 injuries on that last drive that killed them. Barrett gets hurt and costs them a free clock stoppage for the Giants. Then Chung has to come out and Brown goes in and gives up the PI. Then Guyton gets hurt on the goal line stuff of Jacobs and White comes in and gives up the game winning TD.

[j44thor]

This is exactly true. Patrick Chung is currently their best safety. He is also a massive bust who will probably be getting the McCourty treatment next summer.

Speaking of busts what is Shane Vereen's role on this team? I'm still beyond baffled by that draft choice given the glaring needs this team had on the defensive side of the ball and the fact the team was returning two more than serviceable backs with relatively little mileage.

Please don't tell me you draft a RB for the future because RB's don't last more than a few years on average.

[BigSoxFan]

Speaking of busts what is Shane Vereen's role on this team? I'm still beyond baffled by that draft choice given the glaring needs this team had on the defensive side of the ball and the fact the team was returning two more than serviceable backs with relatively little mileage.

Please don't tell me you draft a RB for the future because RB's don't last more than a few years on average.

He's valuable insurance for our backup 3rd down RB...

[SpacemanzGerbil]

Speaking of busts what is Shane Vereen's role on this team? I'm still beyond baffled by that draft choice given the glaring needs this team had on the defensive side of the ball and the fact the team was returning two more than serviceable backs with relatively little mileage.

Please don't tell me you draft a RB for the future because RB's don't last more than a few years on average.

His only purpose will be as the new, unknown guy the former fans of Taylor Price glom onto after Price is cut this week.

[Turrable]

The Patriots owe me a new cellphone

[FelixMantilla]

Is there a bigger asshole in the Boston media than Ron Borges?

[drleather2001]

The worst part is that Belichick will just give the same non-answers in his upcoming PCs, show no emotion or concern, and the machine will keep on rolling. It's charming strategy when the team is winning, but grows stale really fast when the losses start to roll up, and it's obvious who is responsible.

So you think the problem with the New England Patriots is, let me get this straight, how Bill Belichick conducts his press conferences?

[ilol@u]

Umm...David Tyree wore #85...and as does Jake Ballard.

[TheoShmeo]

His only purpose will be as the new, unknown guy the former fans of Taylor Price glom onto after Price is cut this week.

Not so sure. The Pats have a glaring need at third WR. Since Price could be that guy, it's natural to talk about him.

I don't think they have a profound need to upgrade from the Law Firm, Woodhead, Ridley and Faulk group.

Was Faulk hurt? Any word on why he wasn't dressed?

[TheoShmeo]

Is there a bigger asshole in the Boston media than Ron Borges?

Why the qualifier?

And the answer is no.

[BigSoxFan]

Umm...David Tyree wore #85...and as does Jake Ballard.

Lots of parallels to SB42, which the media will be mercilessly making us re-live. Even had the tough almost-pick by the sideline.

[Ed Hillel]

This is exactly true. Patrick Chung is currently their best safety. He is also a massive bust who will probably be getting the McCourty treatment next summer.

Chung, McCourty, and Arrington are playing fine and have been for most of the season (McCourty had a rough stretch for the first 3.5 games, but has been pretty good since). The problem is that the rest of their secondary is just awful, their linebackers have very limited skillsets, and the 25 yard downfield safety scheme blows.

I actually thought the defensive playcalling was much improved today and that the defense, on the whole, played well. Their two worst drives came at the end of the game, when they were probably completely exhausted and had suffered a few key injuries, and that's what we're all going to remember.

[BucketOBalls]

It's the same exact team that went 14-2 last year, with an added piece or two. Right now, they're underperforming.

And got punked in the first round. Over performing last year is probably more correct.

MUCH worse. If they went 10-6 I would be stunned. There are about 15 guys on defense that don't belong in the fucking league.

They arn't as bad as they look. 10-6 might be about right.

[ifmanis5]

I'm a lot more pissed than I want to be right now. Blue balls indeed.

[Jimy Hendrix]

The Pats took 3 injuries on that last drive that killed them. Barrett gets hurt and costs them a free clock stoppage for the Giants. Then Chung has to come out and Brown goes in and gives up the PI. Then Guyton gets hurt on the goal line stuff of Jacobs and White comes in and gives up the game winning TD.

Spikes was out as well, wasn't he?

Either way, that was certainly a real cockpunch.

[BucketOBalls]

I'm a lot more pissed than I want to be right now. Blue balls indeed.

Still better than the Sox. Pats only play once a week.

[ShaneTrot]

The LB play is awful and why was Tracy White playing on the last drive. In a weird way, I would rather see them work their way out of animosity now then in the playoffs.

[Jimy Hendrix]

The LB play is awful and why was Tracy White playing on the last drive. In a weird way, I would rather see them work their way out of animosity now then in the playoffs.

Because Spikes and Guyton were apparently hurt?

[twibnotes]

The worst part is that Belichick will just give the same non-answers in his upcoming PCs, show no emotion or concern, and the machine will keep on rolling. It's charming strategy when the team is winning, but grows stale really fast when the losses start to roll up, and it's obvious who is responsible.

Amen. Fans are customers and deserve an occasional explanation besides, "we have to play and coach better."

[Salva135]

So you think the problem with the New England Patriots is, let me get this straight, how Bill Belichick conducts his press conferences?

No, simply pointing out that the stonewalling the organization does regarding its decision-making becomes a lot more frustrating from a fan's standpoint when those decisions aren't producing on the field.

[Judge Mental13]

If James Sanders was still on this team I think the Pats would be 7-1 right now.

This defense played it's ass off for 55 minutes. You can't expect a defense with Sergio Brown, Josh Barrett, Tracy White, Kyle Love, Brandon Deadrick, Phillip Adams, Antoine Molden, Rob Ninkovich etc playing meaningful minutes to bail a Tom Brady-led offense out all game long. Yes Brady was better in the second half and ended up with 342 yards but that was on 28/49 passing and some really ugly completions.

If Brady plays even a mediocre to below average first half this game doesn't come down to relying on this defense to make so many plays.

Oh and what the fuck happened to Haynesworth? He was a disruptive dominant force in the first half and then joined Taylor Price and Jermaine Cunningham in sideline purgatory for the rest of the game.

Brady and Belichick need to look in the mirror. These losses are on them.

[savage362]

For once, I'd like to see a defensive player at least make an effort to turn his head and see the ball being throw instead of just mirroring the receiver and trying to blindly defend the pass.

[MentalDisabldLst]

Best kick all day.

Anyone gets called for DPI and I'm killing someone.

Just called to report a double murder.

[Jed Zeppelin]

The play that really cost the game was Woodhead running out bounds on the play he got hurt.

[Harry Hooper]

The play that really cost the game was Woodhead running out bounds on the play he got hurt.

Going out of bounds didn't matter as a TO was necessary.

[Kull]

The play that really cost the game was Woodhead running out bounds on the play he got hurt.

I wouldn't go that far, but it was telling. It's a dumb play not to keep the clock moving, and it's the kind of thing that simply didn't happen when this team was winning playoff games.

Going out of bounds didn't matter as a TO was necessary.

If he dove to the ground when the play was clearly over, he wouldn't have been twisted backwards for the injury. It was just a stupid decision to try and milk something from nothing.

Edited by Kull, 06 November 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[catomatic]

Giants' final drive:

1-10, NY 20 - Manning 19 to Cruz - he had tons of time to throw...Cruz makes a diving catch. Barrett is injured, which costs NE a timeout, giving the Giants a free stoppage (lucky bastards) - NE uses T.O. #2
1-10, NY 39 - Manning INC to Cruz
2-10, NY 39 - Manning INC to Cruz - NE uses T.O. #3
3-10, NY 39 - Manning 28 to Barrett - ridiculous, unbelievable catch, over-the-shoulder, going the other way, a catch that Aikman says this guy could play the rest of his career and never top that - friggin' A
1-10, NE 33 - Manning 12 run - longest run of the season for Eli - you gotta be kidding me - NY uses T.O. #2
1-10, NE 21 - Manning INC to Cruz - Pass Interference on Brown on a ball that's 10 yards away from Cruz, on a play where he isn't even *thinking* about trying to catch the ball - unbelievable
1-G, NE 1 - Manning INC to Ballard - good pressure, nice D
2-G, NE 1 - Jacobs no gain - another really good play by the D - NY uses T.O. #3
3-G, NE 1 - Manning 1 to Ballard, touchdown - somehow, on a play where there was NO way they would run the ball (with no timeouts left they wouldn't risk it), White bites on the play action...Eli throws off his back foot and Barrett makes another lunging/diving catch for the TD

So on this drive:
- The Giants get 3 great catches
- The Giants get a totally gift timeout by Barrett getting hurt
- The Giants get two timeouts used by NE
- The Giants get a PI call on a pass that isn't even remotely in the neighborhood of the receiver (yes there was contact - call it an illegal contact, 5-yarder...not a 20 yard PI penalty)
- The Giants get the longest run of the season by Eli Manning

Just an unbelievable sequence of events.

Great post, but I can't decide whether it makes me feel better or worse. Its times like these though that I don't particularly enjoy living in NY

[twibnotes]

Is there a bigger asshole in the Boston media than Ron Borges?

Shank Shaughnessy?

[shawnrbu]

I wouldn't go that far, but it was telling. It's a dumb play not to keep the clock moving, and it's the kind of thing that simply didn't happen when this team was winning playoff games.

If the Pats had failed on 4th Down, then the time saved by going out of bounds would have benefited the team.

[LMontro]

why do their horrible kick returners keep bringing it out when they are 5 yards deep in the endzone? Take a knee. "Scotty" was supposed to be a good special teams coach. Yikes

[Kull]

If the Pats had failed on 4th Down, then the time saved by going out of bounds would have benefited the team.

They were at the Giants 15 yard line with about a minute and half left in the game, AND three timeouts. There's no way you are thinking about "saving time" in that situation - quite the reverse.

[Ed Hillel]

Brady and Belichick need to look in the mirror. These losses are on them.

That's exactly what both of them do...and then people complain because they don't do it with more colorful language.

[Montana Fan]

Thanks Fris.

The Giants match up well with the Pats. Maybe it's because Belichick and Coughlin are both out of the Parcell's mold and coach in a similar manner. Both teams are solid, above average and well coached.

[Ed Hillel]

The play that really cost the game was Woodhead running out bounds on the play he got hurt.

The ref fucked that call up. Woodhead's progress had stopped, he was standing in bounds, and then got shoved out. The clock should have been running, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway since Woodhead got hurt and they had to use a TO.

[dcmissle]

Is there a bigger asshole in the Boston media than Ron Borges?

Is this what has you upset? www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/2011_1107the_dynasty_is_history_pats_best_simply_too_little

Frankly, I think he is being kind. I counted the "dynasty" over a couple of years ago.

This year Borges has been hugely complimentary of BB and Brady when the occasion warranted, and last week, if anything, he pulled his punches. There is not a lot in the article above I can argue with very much.

Edited by dcmissle, 07 November 2011 - 12:51 AM.

[Salva135]

Thanks Fris.

The Giants match up well with the Pats. Maybe it's because Belichick and Coughlin are both out of the Parcell's mold and coach in a similar manner. Both teams are solid, above average and well coached.

It's funny, I've started to hear a lot this season about how so-and-so opponent "matches up well with the Pats." The Giants match up well with the Pats. The Jets match up well with the Pats. The Cowboys match up well with the Pats. When this phrase gets tossed around week after week, it starts to mean something different. There are 31 teams that "match up well" with the Colts right now.

Edited by Salva135, 07 November 2011 - 01:56 AM.