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[findguapo]

http://twitter.com/#!/CC_Sabathia/status/131149202830000128

He just posted a video to Twitter about staying

Here is the youtube video:

Edited by findguapo, 31 October 2011 - 06:28 PM.

[Brianish]

Can't wait to see what they did to keep him from even hitting the market.

[jon abbey]

Yeah, I'm scared...

[MakMan44]

Can't wait to see what they did to keep him from even hitting the market.

I'd wager that the discussions started with a truckload of hostess mini donuts

[findguapo]

Yeah, I'm scared...

The video says he accomplished what he wanted to get, and is going to finish his career with the Yankees... He is 31 years old, I can't even fathom a guess.

[NoMaRRaMoN]

Buster Olney on Twitter: Sabathia's contract extension - 1-year, $25 m. for 2016, and a $5 million buyout. Total guaranteed, five years, $122 m.. $25m option '17

[jon abbey]

Wow, not bad at all, via Olney:

Sabathia's contract extension - 1-year, $25 m. for 2016, and a $5 million buyout. Total guaranteed, five years, $122 m.. $25m option '17

[jon abbey]

The $25M in 2017 is a vesting option, according to Rosenthal.

[jon abbey]

Good job, Cashman!!!

[Brianish]

Yeah that coulda been much worse for the Yanks.

So how desperate to re-sign Wilson is Texas now?

[jon abbey]

So how desperate to re-sign Wilson is Texas now?

I get the impression they don't really want him at the price he's going to command, they'd prefer to build around Holland/Harrison/Ogando/Lewis, and possibly go after Fielder or even Pujols, and maybe Darvish too.

[redsox3g2]

If Olney's right that's a steal for the Yankees considering the $100M figure people are throwing out there for C.J. Wilson.

[MakMan44]

If Olney's right that's a steal for the Yankees considering the $100M figure people are throwing out there for C.J. Wilson.

From what I've read his postseason antics have dropped his price tag well below $100 mill but we'll see.

[Saby]

That is a fantastic deal. Just wonder about the details of that 25M in 2017.

[Brianish]

I get the impression they don't really want him at the price he's going to command, they'd prefer to build around Holland/Harrison/Ogando/Lewis, and possibly go after Fielder or even Pujols, and maybe Darvish too.

I'm skeptical he's going to command the 100 million people have speculated. A lot of the talk lately (for what it's worth) has recognized his walk rate and the jump in innings. In any case, I heard they were potentially targeting CC. We'll see if there's any kind of panic reaction.

[jon abbey]

Option details from Sherman:

"Option killed if: end 2016 season on DL, spend more than 45 days on the DL in '16 with left shoulder injury or make at least 6 relief apps in '16 due to shoulder issues."

So that looks a lot closer to a six year deal, still not so bad.

[MakMan44]

I'm skeptical he's going to command the 100 million people have speculated. A lot of the talk lately (for what it's worth) has recognized his walk rate and the jump in innings. In any case, I heard they were potentially targeting CC. We'll see if there's any kind of panic reaction.

I read on MLBTR a few weeks back that if they don't resign Wilson, they'll attempt to stretch out Feliz and make him a starter

[Saby]

According to Joel Sherman, the option automatically vests unless he is disabled by left shoulder injury.

So that would make it a 6-year, 142M deal for a 31 year old in his prime. Fair enough.

Edit: JA beat me to it.

Edited by Saby, 31 October 2011 - 06:47 PM.

[Saby]

I read on MLBTR a few weeks back that if they don't resign Wilson, they'll attempt to stretch out Feliz and make him a starter

I'd love to see that but they have a tough decision there. The bullpen is what allows them to compensate for lack of ace-type pitching.

[MakMan44]

Anyone else just a little surprised he didn't opt out and explore that market at all? The extension really isn't all that amazing for him, I wonder if he could have gotten more considering how well the deal looks for the Yankees (at least right now)

Edited by MakMan44, 31 October 2011 - 06:50 PM.

[Rudy Pemberton]

Who was going to give him more than that, though? The Yankees were the highest bidder three years ago; there's no real reason to think teams were suddenly going to offer him more now without getting those prime age 28-30 years. He's three years older with 800+ more innings no his arm. I think this was similar to the A-Rod situation and while the Yankees didn't cave like they did then, they still added another year on the back end which is hardly likely to be a great deal.

[Wingack]

Love the news I hope this means they stay away from Wilson

[Meff Nelton]

If Sabathia ages well, this is a lot better than him hitting the market at 35, and having to consider tending him another deal that stretches close to his forties.

Big if of course.

[Rough Carrigan]

Anyone else just a little surprised he didn't opt out and explore that market at all? The extension really isn't all that amazing for him, I wonder if he could have gotten more considering how well the deal looks for the Yankees (at least right now)

I may be cynical but I'm *sure* that his agent already found out from the teams to which he might have been interested in jumping just how much they would have given him. Even without officially being able to have any such conversation.

[glennhoffmania]

I think it's awesome that people are relieved that it's only 6/142.

[SemperFidelisSox]

There's also 30 opt out clauses.

[Brianish]

He actually has one tomorrow.

[jon abbey]

I think it's awesome that people are relieved that it's only 6/142.

It could be 5/122, but yeah, it's certainly likely to be the equivalent of the A-Rod deal for a pitcher. The thing is that there are no good alternatives, losing him would almost certainly mean going into 2012 without a real #1 like they went into 2011 without a #2 (and ended up with Nova, who is ideally a #3/#4). Now they need a second top SP by the postseason next year, be it Wilson or Darvish or one of next winter's free agents mid-year, and they should be in good shape.

I also hope they make CC co-captains with Jeter now that he's definitely here for the long-term, I think it's been more CC's team for a while now anyway.

[glennhoffmania]

It could be 6/122, but yeah, it's certainly likely to be the equivalent of the A-Rod deal for a pitcher. The thing is that there are no good alternatives, losing him would almost certainly mean going into 2012 without a real #1 like they went into 2011 without a #2 (and ended up with Nova, who is ideally a #3/#4). Now they need a second top SP by the postseason next year, be it Wilson or Darvish or one of next winter's free agents mid-year, and they should be in good shape.

I also hope they make CC co-captains with Jeter now that he's definitely here for the long-term, I think it's been more CC's team for a while now anyway.

I agree with all of this, except for the captain nonsense. I want to point out that this would be the second highest contract ever given to a pitcher- the highest is Sabathia's last NY contract.

[melonbag]

I also hope they make CC co-captains with Jeter now that he's definitely here for the long-term, I think it's been more CC's team for a while now anyway.

I hope you're just overly excited about CC signing.

There's no way I want to see him as a co-captain with Jeter.

[Rasputin]

So far this is the worst off season ever. Last off season the CC drama would have played out until January.

Sigh...

[jon abbey]

Also his very strong first four months this past season (especially July) mask the fact that he wasn't the same after the 7/26 game, after he came back twice after rain delays (the second at least was only 14 minutes). He gave up a collective .858 OPS in ten regular starts after that, looked very strong for two innings in game 1 of the ALDS, came back on two days rest and was nothing special (although the ump really squeezed him) and then had a bad relief appearance two days after that.

Hopefully an offseason of rest will get him back to normal, and maybe now that he's under contract long-term, they can try to pace his innings at least a bit more. A real #2 would help with that also.

[Wingack]

So far this is the worst off season ever. Last off season the CC drama would have played out until January.

Sigh...

Exactly, and I actually think this is the best thing about the agreement today. The Yankees have basically locked in all the major cogs of the team for 2012 and now can focus on bettering the roster. This was not the case last year and I think it hurt the 2011 roster overall.

[melonbag]

Exactly, and I actually think this is the best thing about the agreement today. The Yankees have basically locked in all the major cogs of the team for 2012 and now can focus on bettering the roster. This was not the case last year and I think it hurt the 2011 roster overall.

Yep. Well said.

[EvilEmpire]

Not so bad after all. With the crappy FA market this year I was afraid that he might be looking for 7 or 8 years. And get it. I wonder what Boston would have offered if he had become a FA.

[Doctor G]

So this is essentially a six year deal if CC is able to escape shoulder trouble in the fifth year.
If he goes on the DL with knee or back problems in the fifth year the sixth year is still vested.
The yankees are gambling a lot of money on CC's legs holding up. They mentioned a shoulder issue as a concern. It seems to me that the knee scopes would be the real concern.

Although the sixth year is called a team option it vests automatically if CC avoids shoulder trouble. If not he is due a 5M buyout as I read it.

Edited by Doctor G, 31 October 2011 - 11:22 PM.

[Doctor G]

Exactly, and I actually think this is the best thing about the agreement today. The Yankees have basically locked in all the major cogs of the team for 2012 and now can focus on bettering the roster. This was not the case last year and I think it hurt the 2011 roster overall.

I don't see how their position right now is any different than their position last year at this time. They are still in the market for a #2 like last year.

[jon abbey]

I don't see how their position right now is any different than their position last year at this time. They are still in the market for a #2 like last year.

It's different because they were waiting for Lee and Pettitte to make decisions, and that didn't allow them to look into other possible ways to address the rotation while those were up in the air.

[Wingack]

It's different because they were waiting for Lee and Pettitte to make decisions, and that didn't allow them to look into other possible ways to address the rotation while those were up in the air.

And there was the whole rigamarole with Jeter.

[JimD]

I understand that this is a smart short-term move that is uniquely good for the Yankees since they are on a different financial plane than the rest of baseball and don’t have to worry about budget limitations, but let’s be realistic - this contract is going to become ugly very fast once CC’s inevitable knee problems begin.

[TomRicardo]

I understand that this is a smart short-term move that is uniquely good for the Yankees since they are on a different financial plane than the rest of baseball and don’t have to worry about budget limitations, but let’s be realistic - this contract is going to become ugly very fast once CC’s inevitable knee problems begin.

Hey hey hey you still have to have a foot to have knee problems. I got decent money on Captain Crunch catching up to Sabathia

[maufman]

There are no proven #1s on the market, but CC didn't even want to test the market. I'm surprised MFY fans are so happy about this.

Isn't the logical conclusion that there's something wrong with CC?

[glennhoffmania]

Who would've given him anything close to this deal though? I mean, when you can become/remain the highest paid pitcher in history why would you need to test the market? Let's put it another way- the fans of what team would be thrilled to wake up and hear that they signed this deal?

[rembrat]

CC said he is going to lose some weight in the off=season. My guess is he cuts back to just 1 Jif Peanut Butter a day.

[maufman]

Who would've given him anything close to this deal though? I mean, when you can become/remain the highest paid pitcher in history why would you need to test the market? Let's put it another way- the fans of what team would be thrilled to wake up and hear that they signed this deal?

In a world where C.J. Wilson may push 6/100, and Yu Darvish will likely cost more than that, those numbers don't seem like an overpay for C.C. Sabathia -- unless, of course, there's something wrong with him.

I presume that avoiding an opt-out allows the MFY to keep in place whatever insurance they may have obtained when they signed CC. Between that and the terms of the 2017 option, I see flashing red lights. Maybe it's nothing, but as a Sox fan I feel pretty good about these developments -- which makes me wonder why the bright MFY fans here are excited about the deal.

Edited by maufman, 01 November 2011 - 09:20 AM.

[EvilEmpire]

<br />Who would've given him anything close to this deal though?  I mean, when you can become/remain the highest paid pitcher in history why would you need to test the market?  Let's put it another way- the fans of what team would be thrilled to wake up and hear that they signed this deal?<br />

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The Boston Red Sox. If CC had opted out and the Sox had signed this deal there would have been a splooge-fest on the main board, the likes of which hasn't been seen since...last year when the Sox signed CC. The added joy of making the deal at the expense of the Yankees would have been palpable.

[glennhoffmania]

In a world where C.J. Wilson may push 6/100, and Yu Darvish will likely cost more than that, those numbers don't seem like an overpay for C.C. Sabathia -- unless, of course, there's something wrong with him.

I presume that avoiding an opt-out allows the MFY to keep in place whatever insurance they may have obtained when they signed CC. Between that and the terms of the 2017 option, I see flashing red lights. Maybe it's nothing, but as a Sox fan I feel pretty good about these developments -- which makes me wonder why the bright MFY fans here are excited about the deal.

I don't know. I don't think Wilson is a lock to get 100m. And even if he does, CC will make 142m unless his arm falls off. Last year's premiere FA pitcher got 132m. I don't know how much more Sabathia could've gotten from another team.

The best part of this is that ESPN radio had a clip this morning of Sabathia saying "it was never about money." Then what was it about, CC?

[glennhoffmania]

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The Boston Red Sox. If CC had opted out and the Sox had signed this deal there would have been a splooge-fest on the main board, the likes of which hasn't been seen since...last year when the Sox signed CC. The added joy of making the deal at the expense of the Yankees would have been palpable.

I completely, totally, 100%, without a doubt disagree with this statement.

[Rudy Pemberton]

The Boston Red Sox. If CC had opted out and the Sox had signed this deal there would have been a splooge-fest on the main board, the likes of which hasn't been seen since...last year when the Sox signed CC. The added joy of making the deal at the expense of the Yankees would have been palpable.

This wouldn't have happened. The Sox didn't bid on CC three years ago, so now that he's older with a ton more IP on his belt...they would have suddenly bid and give him more than the MFY? No way.

[jon abbey]

In a world where C.J. Wilson may push 6/100, and Yu Darvish will likely cost more than that, those numbers don't seem like an overpay for C.C. Sabathia -- unless, of course, there's something wrong with him.

I presume that avoiding an opt-out allows the MFY to keep in place whatever insurance they may have obtained when they signed CC. Between that and the terms of the 2017 option, I see flashing red lights. Maybe it's nothing, but as a Sox fan I feel pretty good about these developments -- which makes me wonder why the bright MFY fans here are excited about the deal.

Because of the alternatives.

NY has already been through one season where they couldn't replace Pettitte and losing CC would have almost certainly guaranteed a second. Now they've put themselves in a position where they could pretty much go into 2012 with the team they have now and compete for a division title again, so they don't have to overpay for Wilson or Darvish if they don't want to and can even hold out for a midseason deal for one of the FA pitchers to be, and maybe even Banuelos or Betances will be ready to make an impact by next postseason.