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#101 gammoseditor


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 02:52 PM

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/12/06/hot-stove-whos-still-searching-for-a-closer/

I mean, how horrifying is this?


Well, unless you wanted to give up Anthony Ranuado then it probably doesn't matter. And some people would probably take Molina over Ranuado. It says they never engaged in serious talks. Maybe they called and were told the White Sox wanted Middlebrooks and Ranuado and the Red Sox quickly decided it wasn't worth their time.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 03:47 PM

Mariners are now front=runners on Fielder with Milw,Cubs & Tor all wanting shorter term deals....stay tuned


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https://twitter.com/#!/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/144151591723872257 mabrowndog is a dingus mabrowndog is a dingus

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 03:53 PM

Jim Bowden

https://twitter.com/#!/JimBowdenESPNxm/status/144151591723872257 mabrowndog is a dingus mabrowndog is a dingus

Wow, the Smoak deal really kind of sucked for them, unless they see Fielder as a full-time DH.

Edited by glennhoffmania, 06 December 2011 - 03:53 PM.


#104 OnWisc

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 03:55 PM

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/12/06/hot-stove-whos-still-searching-for-a-closer/

I mean, how horrifying is this?


More horrifying if you're a White Sox fan.

Sounds like the first 85 times AA called Kenny Williams, they didn't have serious discussions either. And then the 86th time Kenny decided to pull the trigger on trading an effective closer with a beautiful contract without shopping him much, if at all. Decent chance that there are a handful of GMs around the league today thinking that they would have given up more to get Santos back.

No link, so take this for what it's worth, but AA was just on Inside Pitch. Bowden & Stern were asking how he pulled off dealing a guy who projects as a #4 starter for a closer. AA did indicate that there were people who felt Molina's upside was closer to a #3 or even a #2, but didn't really dispute the classification.

#105 rundugrun

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 04:28 PM

Hanley wants to be traded if not a SS. I don't think we have the chips to make a play for him... but interesting.

https://twitter.com/#!/SedanoShow/status/144161710926864385 mabrowndog is a dingus

edit: If this should be in the MLB Rumors thread, well, feel free to move it and accept my apologies.

Edited by rundugrun, 06 December 2011 - 04:35 PM.


#106 Jed Zeppelin


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 04:34 PM

As talented as he is, I want no part of Hanley Ramirez unless it's a serious underpayment. If it's true that he wants out, all that says is that his attitude is as bad as we think it is and that winning isn't anywhere near the top of his priority list.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 04:54 PM

As talented as he is, I want no part of Hanley Ramirez unless it's a serious underpayment. If it's true that he wants out, all that says is that his attitude is as bad as we think it is and that winning isn't anywhere near the top of his priority list.


yup

#108 Trlicek's Whip

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 05:00 PM

As talented as he is, I want no part of Hanley Ramirez unless it's a serious underpayment. If it's true that he wants out, all that says is that his attitude is as bad as we think it is and that winning isn't anywhere near the top of his priority list.

Attitude aside, Hanley's appears to be on an obvious and steady slide that would give us a Renteria at Fenway flashback.

His power (ISO per Fangraphs) is on a three-year slide, and in 2010 and 2011 he recorded the two biggest GB% tilts of his career - virtually 51% both years. That's a double whammy that says the power's not coming back. And the cherry on top is shoulder trouble that shortened his 2011 season.

I understand the symmetry of a Hanley Ramirez return to Fenway, but only for the subjective, emotional reasons. And even then, only barely.

Edited by Trlicek's Whip, 06 December 2011 - 05:01 PM.


#109 glennhoffmania


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 05:09 PM

As talented as he is, I want no part of Hanley Ramirez unless it's a serious underpayment. If it's true that he wants out, all that says is that his attitude is as bad as we think it is and that winning isn't anywhere near the top of his priority list.

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, he's been a SS all his life. He's comfortable there. Then his employer goes out and spends $100m on another SS. Would many of us be happy if we liked our job, our employer hired someone else to do it, and transferred us to another role that we didn't like as much?

I'm not saying he's handling it very well as this should be kept internally. But I can't totally blame him for not being thrilled.

#110 Fishercat


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 05:52 PM

I don't know anything about Santos but I saw Molina pitch a few times for the Fisher Cats and was very impressed.


Completely agreed. I saw him in the Eastern League Championship Series (I think he was Game 2) and he absolutely flummoxed the opposition. I think he allowed one early run, but then five innings, eight K's, nasty stuff. Even the hits were weak choppers and bloops.

I don't know if he can make the leap to be a seven inning guy, and he's far away, but as a Sox fan I'm happy he's in the AL Central's pathway now.

#111 OnWisc

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 06:15 PM

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, he's been a SS all his life. He's comfortable there. Then his employer goes out and spends $100m on another SS. Would many of us be happy if we liked our job, our employer hired someone else to do it, and transferred us to another role that we didn't like as much?

I'm not saying he's handling it very well as this should be kept internally. But I can't totally blame him for not being thrilled.


Wouldn't like it at all, and don't blame him for not being thrilled. But his comments are going to be colored by his past issues. Even if he's just saying the same thing Michael Young did last year, it is going to look worse coming from Hanley. And I doubt this is all we'll here from him on the topic.

#112 glennhoffmania


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 06:27 PM

Wouldn't like it at all, and don't blame him for not being thrilled. But his comments are going to be colored by his past issues. Even if he's just saying the same thing Michael Young did last year, it is going to look worse coming from Hanley. And I doubt this is all we'll here from him on the topic.

Oh I agree. He'll look bad. But he still has a point, despite how badly he'll likely handle it.

Edited by glennhoffmania, 06 December 2011 - 06:33 PM.


#113 Yaz4Ever


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 06:30 PM

Wouldn't like it at all, and don't blame him for not being thrilled. But his comments are going to be colored by his past issues. Even if he's just saying the same thing Michael Young did last year, it is going to look worse coming from Hanley. And I doubt this is all we'll here from him on the topic.


exactly. the problem lies in his perceived attitude. I've never met the guy and have no idea what he's like on a personal level, but he's been portrayed as a prima donna lately and, coupled with his decline last season, he's not doing himself any favors if he's griping publicly. Of course, this could all be the Miami version of CHB stirring shit up, but who knows? Sadly, people are tried in the court of public opinion all the time now and Hanley is just the next contestant.

#114 Brianish

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 07:26 PM

Just to play devil's advocate for a minute, he's been a SS all his life. He's comfortable there. Then his employer goes out and spends $100m on another SS. Would many of us be happy if we liked our job, our employer hired someone else to do it, and transferred us to another role that we didn't like as much?

I'm not saying he's handling it very well as this should be kept internally. But I can't totally blame him for not being thrilled.



On the other hand, if we were only ok at our current position, our employer hired someone much more suited, we were still making millions of dollars, and the net outcome was a reasonable chance of getting to the postseason and thus winning a world series, would we have any business complaining?

#115 AlNipper49


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 07:39 PM

News only please folks. Feel free to pummel anything into new threads.

#116 Mylegacy

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

Well, while the Jay’s had a dozen or so high end starters in the minors it was widely accepted in particular they had FIVE very high end YOUNG starters: Hutchison, Syndergaard, Nicolini, Norris, and Molina.


They’ve just traded the oldest - Molina (22) for a closer with 93 SO's in 62 innings not to mention only 42 hits, with a slider with very late movement that KLaw describes as "it looks like its falling off a cliff" and over whom they’ll have 6 years of control!

AA continues to be – without question – the master of the dance, the Silent Assassin! He is clearly reading from a play book other GM’s didn’t even know exists.

#117 EvilEmpire

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:42 PM

Well, while the Jay's had a dozen or so high end starters in the minors it was widely accepted in particular they had FIVE very high end YOUNG starters: Hutchison, Syndergaard, Nicolini, Norris, and Molina.


They've just traded the oldest - Molina (22) for a closer with 93 SO's in 62 innings not to mention only 42 hits, with a slider with very late movement that KLaw describes as "it looks like its falling off a cliff" and over whom they'll have 6 years of control!

AA continues to be – without question – the master of the dance, the Silent Assassin! He is clearly reading from a play book other GM's didn't even know exists.



Who let Anthopoulos' dad in here?

#118 MakMan44


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:59 PM

Link

Torres and Ramirez to the Mets for Pagan

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 10:02 PM

Ken Davidoff
The #Mets and Frank Francisco have agreed to a 2-year deal, pending a physical.




New pen for them with RR and Rauch.

#120 Tyrone Biggums


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Posted 06 December 2011 - 10:15 PM



New pen for them with RR and Rauch.


Ken Davidoff of Newsday reports that the Mets have signed free agent reliever Frank Francisco to a two-year contract.
Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that Francisco will get $12 million over the two years. Davidoff also adds that Francisco will be used as the team's closer, while Jon Rauch will pitch in a setup role. The Mets have stockpiled some much-needed relief help by acquiring Francisco, Rauch and Ramon Ramirez in one night.


Rauch just cannot shake this guy, can he? The fact that this clown is only making 2 million less than Nathan is insane.

Edited by Tyrone Biggums, 06 December 2011 - 10:16 PM.


#121 glennhoffmania


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 09:02 AM

Crap, meant to post in rumors.

Edited by glennhoffmania, 07 December 2011 - 09:47 AM.


#122 rembrat


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 09:43 AM

JIM BOWDEN
Congratulations to Michael Cuddyer and his better half on the birth of twins as he prepares to agree to a 3-year deal with the Twins..AUGORY

Tweet

Looks like Cuddyer is off the board.

#123 ookami7m

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 11:15 AM

Street to the Padres?
https://twitter.com/#!/PeteAbe/status/144449829609807872 mabrowndog is a dingus

edit - more from MLBTR:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/padres-acquire-huston-street.html

Edited by ookami7m, 07 December 2011 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2011 - 04:51 PM

Ken_Rosenthal

Buerhle to #Marlins: 4 yrs, $58M. #MLB



#125 MakMan44


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Posted 08 December 2011 - 08:26 PM

The Cubs have acquired Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers from the Rockies in exchange for Tyler Colvin and DJ LeMahieu, tweets Troy Renck of the Denver Post. Link

#126 Hendu for Kutch

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Posted 10 December 2011 - 12:29 AM

Trevor Cahill and Craig Breslow to the D'Backs in exchange for Jarrod Parker, Collin Cowgill, and Ryan Cook.

http://mlb.mlb.com/n...ws_mlb&c_id=mlb

Edited by Hendu for Kutch, 10 December 2011 - 12:29 AM.


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Posted 10 December 2011 - 01:17 AM

Trevor Cahill and Craig Breslow to the D'Backs in exchange for Jarrod Parker, Collin Cowgill, and Ryan Cook.

http://mlb.mlb.com/n...ws_mlb&c_id=mlb

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I can no longer denounce the relevance of Twitter. It broke the story of my trade...to me.

Stay classy A's.

#128 HangingW/ScottCooper

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 01:08 PM

ESPN has Aramis Ramirez going to the Brewers for 3 years:

http://espn.go.com/c...lwaukee-brewers

#129 terrynever

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 01:54 PM

Phillies trade Ben Francisco to Toronto.

http://www.philly.co...to-Toronto.html

#130 soxhop411


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 10:35 AM

RT @jcrasnick: Kelly Shoppach has agreed on 1-yr, $1.35M deal with #RedSox, says BB source. Will be announced today

#131 untilthebombs

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 12:25 PM

Great signing.

#132 Lose Remerswaal


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:33 PM

Great signing.

Why do you think this?

#133 samuelLsamson

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:05 PM

Why do you think this?


At a guess, because he hits lefties well and can throw out baserunners better than Varitek. Then again everybody posting in this thread can do the last bit. "Great" seems like hyperbole, though - or maybe sarcasm.

#134 Lose Remerswaal


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 03:40 PM

At a guess, because he hits lefties well and can throw out baserunners better than Varitek. Then again everybody posting in this thread can do the last bit. "Great" seems like hyperbole, though - or maybe sarcasm.

There's lots of potential reasons. "Great signing" is a waste of pixels without at least a tiny bit of support.

#135 MikeM

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 04:00 PM

At a guess, because he hits lefties well and can throw out baserunners better than Varitek.


That, and we finally get to move on from the whole Courtesy Captain thing.

Although the people speculating a potential trade of Lavarnway out of this are reading way too much into such a minor/1 year deal, imo.

#136 ngruz25


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:00 PM

The Brewers traded Casey McGehee to the Pirates for Jose Veras.

I like this deal a lot for the Pirates. Veras had a live arm and could strike people out but who cares about middle relievers on mediocre teams? McGehee had a terrible year last year but some of his woes may be attributable to a .249 BABIP and a thumb injury. He's nice insurance for the inevitable Pedro Alvarez/Garrett Jones flop, and who knows, he could turn back into his 2009/2010 self.

#137 rembrat


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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:48 PM

"Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Willingham near agreement with #Twins. #MLB"

http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/146722599358046209

Twins have moved on from Cuddyer.

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 05:51 PM

Gentle reminder: news only folks ---- feel free to start new discussion threads

#139 untilthebombs

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 07:16 PM

There's lots of potential reasons. "Great signing" is a waste of pixels without at least a tiny bit of support.



Take it easy, guy. If I was in a debate, I'd offer support. Merely expressing a gut reaction.

#140 glennhoffmania


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Posted 15 December 2011 - 09:32 AM

The Minnesota Twins has signed free agent outfielder Josh Willingham, CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman has confirmed. The deal, which is pending a physical, has been reported to be three years for $21 million by the Star Tribune.


Link

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 09:56 AM

Take it easy, guy. If I was in a debate, I'd offer support. Merely expressing a gut reaction.

Is that something we all do now? Shit, I'm really behind in my gut reactions then.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:44 AM

Everyone now reporting Cuddyer to the Rox, Denver Post says it's believed to be 3/27, only 667K more per year than the Twins offer.

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Posted 16 December 2011 - 10:44 AM

Everyone now reporting Cuddyer to the Rox, Denver Post says it's believed to be 3/27, only 667K more per year than the Twins offer.



JonHeymanCBS

cuddyer gets 31.5M over 3 years from colorado.



#144 E5 Yaz


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Posted 17 December 2011 - 01:40 PM

Rollins back to the Phillies: 3 years, fourth year option (per Crasnick)

#145 dylanmarsh

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 11:56 AM

Jason Kubel heading to the Dbacks on a 2 year/$15MM contract. I guess the Dbacks are cool with replacing a gold glover (Parra) with a better bat in LF.

#146 glennhoffmania


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Posted 20 December 2011 - 10:08 AM

Rollins back to the Phillies: 3 years, fourth year option (per Crasnick)

It's incredible that he's making less than 2/3 of Jeter's salary.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:54 PM

JonHeymanCBS: danks and white sox agree on $65M, 5-yr deal.

https://twitter.com/#!/JonHeymanCBS

Well, there's a shocker

Half-assed rebuilding efforts usually work out so well.

Edited by SoxScout, 21 December 2011 - 08:56 PM.


#148 rembrat


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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:04 PM

Um what the hell is KW doing? He could have gotten a sweet package for him.

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Posted 22 December 2011 - 08:07 PM

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Confirmed: Beltran two-year, $26 million deal with #STLCards. Full no-trade. #MLB



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Posted 28 December 2011 - 05:42 PM

http://articles.chic...s-sean-marshall


I think it's fitting that 8 years after drafting the wrong Marshall twin, one of the first transactions of the Epstein era was trading him away.




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