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[NoMaRRaMoN]

Doumit to the Twins. I thought he might have been a decent platoon partner for Salty.

[SoxScout]

The Phillies have acquired utility man Ty Wigginton from the Rockies in exchange for a player to be named or cash

http://www.mlbtrader...om-rockies.html

Out on Cuddyer?

Edited by SoxScout, 20 November 2011 - 07:46 PM.

[templeUsox]

Terrible deal. Apparently the Rockies are paying $2M, but that still means the Phillies are on the hook for 2.5M for a player to projects to be below replacement level next season.

[SoxScout]

@SI_JonHeyman: Sizemore gets $5M plus $4 mil in incentives

With Cleveland, of course

[Savin Hillbilly]

Freddy Garcia staying put in NY.

1 year, "about" $5M, says the Star-Ledger.

[glennhoffmania]

Free agent catcher Jose Molina has signed with the Tampa Bay Rays, the club announced Monday. The signing comes just about 12 hours after the club announced it had traded catcher John Jaso to the Mariners. Molina's deal is for one year and $1.5 million with a $1.8 million option for 2013 with a $300,000 buyout.

Link

[rembrat]

Broxton to the Royals on a 1yr deal.

Get a manager and get compensation for Theo so you can move the fuck on.

[Foulkey Reese]

How are the Sox not in on Broxton if he's willing to sign a 1 year deal?

[Rudy Pemberton]

Probably couldn't decide if they wanted him or not.

Or, perhaps the manager and pitching coach really sold Broxton on that situation.

I imagine that, to some pitchers, knowing who your manager and pitching coach are going to be could be important.

[Soxbrained]

Yeah, quite flummoxed by this.
I mean, if you're going to take a flyer on somebody, who better than this guy? And it's not like he's going to close in KC, with Soria over there.

[Savin Hillbilly]

How are the Sox not in on Broxton if he's willing to sign a 1 year deal?

I think, as somebody said over in the Broxton thread, he may have been perceived as Jenks II.

[untilthebombs]

How are the Sox not in on Broxton if he's willing to sign a 1 year deal?

They were mentioned to at least be believed to be one of the teams in the hunt. But who's to say that it wasn't something other than money (or Broxton's waistline) that tipped the scale to KC?

Odd's aren't particularly good that Broxton ever fully bounces back in his career, let alone this season. One can imagine why he might desire to spend the year essentially rehabbing in relative anonymity.

[PedroSpecialK]

Perhaps he was promised the closer role to re-establish his value and Soria will be moved for futures? It would certainly make sense for KC - trade Soria's ever-increasing salary ($6m, $8m, $8.75m club options 2012-14) in the offseason, replace him with a similar salary in Broxton, hopefully get similar performance, and get a boatload of assets when all's said and done and both are traded.

Worst case for KC in all this is that Broxton bombs and they've only gotten assets for Soria, which is where they likely would have been by the end of this year's trade deadline anyhow. And they do it all without spending more than the difference between Broxton and Soria's salaries this year.

Edited by PedroSpecialK, 30 November 2011 - 12:18 PM.

[untilthebombs]

Perhaps he was promised the closer role to re-establish his value and Soria will be moved for futures? It would certainly make sense for KC - trade Soria's ever-increasing salary ($6m, $8m, $8.75m club options 2012-14) in the offseason, replace him with a similar salary in Broxton, hopefully get similar performance, and get a boatload of assets when all's said and done and both are traded.

Worst case for KC in all this is that Broxton bombs and they've only gotten assets for Soria, which is where they likely would have been by the end of this year's trade deadline anyhow. And they do it all without spending more than the difference between Broxton and Soria's salaries this year.

Per Dayton Moore, Broxton will set up. If effective, he command a higher salary than Soria will receive in the coming years. Look at what Papelbon and Nathan got on the market.

More likely that KC would look to move both and develop another closer internally. Like TB has demonstrated, especially when on a shoestring budget, the bullpen isn't the place to throw money.

[HangingW/ScottCooper]

Cubs sign outfielder David DeJesus

The Chicago Cubs signed outfielder David DeJesus to a two-year free-agent contract Wednesday, the team announced.

DeJesus will receive $4.25 million in 2012 and '13, and the team has a $6.5 million option for 2014, with a $1.5 million buyout.

The 31-year-old hit .240 with 10 home runs and 46 RBIs last season with the Oakland Athletics. It was statistically the worst season of a major league career that has spanned parts of nine years.

His best season was in 2008, when he hit .307 with 12 homers and 73 RBIs for the Kansas City Royals.

"We're very excited to sign David," Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer said. "He's a player who does a lot of things very well, including running the bases and getting on base. And he doesn't strike out very much. These are all areas we wanted to improve on going into next year."

The former fourth-round pick of Kansas City, where he spent his first eight seasons, hits and throws left-handed.

DeJesus, who is a career .284 hitter, played 116 games in right field last season. Hoyer wouldn't commit to a position for him next season but has some idea.

"It's early, but we see him playing in right field," Hoyer said. "He has the ability to play all the positions but he's playing the corner outfield spots."

Kosuke Fukudome started the season in right field for the Cubs but was traded to the Indians, presumably to give Tyler Colvin a look there. But then-manager Mike Quade did not give Colvin consistent time and he finished with a .150 average, six homers and only 20 RBIs in 206 at-bats. He struck out 58 times, which doesn't fit the mold of what the new Cubs regime is trying to do at the plate.

DeJesus may lack in power but Hoyer says he "has the ability to do a lot of things."

"He's a player who's very versatile. We can work him in a lot of different spots in the lineup," Hoyer said. "Our priority was to get more balance in our lineup from the left side, and David being a switch-hitter helps us in that area."

http://espn.go.com/c...n-david-dejesus

[PedroSpecialK]

Per Dayton Moore, Broxton will set up. If effective, he command a higher salary than Soria will receive in the coming years. Look at what Papelbon and Nathan got on the market.

More likely that KC would look to move both and develop another closer internally. Like TB has demonstrated, especially when on a shoestring budget, the bullpen isn't the place to throw money.

Ah I missed that, thanks. Still wouldn't surprise me to see both gone by the deadline, but I'm surprised the Sox didn't sign him given his relatively modest price tag and willingness to setup.

[E5 Yaz]

Rockies trade Chris Ianetta to Angels for Tyler Chatwood

http://losangeles.an...ws_ana&c_id=ana

[MakMan44]

Rockies trade Chris Ianetta to Angels for Tyler Chatwood

http://losangeles.an...ws_ana&c_id=ana

Rockies signed Ramon Hernandez link

[Corsi]

#orioles are getting teagarden from #rangers. defensive boost for balt.

https://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/142317489337020416

[Savin Hillbilly]

So much for Tek going to the Orioles.

[Laser Show]

Wow Bell to Miami:

@jaysonst: #Marlins agree to 3-year $27M deal w Heath Bell, pending physical. Expected to take physical tomorrow. More to come atESPN.com

Edited by Laser Show, 01 December 2011 - 11:03 PM.

[SoxScout]

Either Madson finds a sweet spot between the Pap/Bell contracts, or Bard is our closer, I think.

Nathan's deal is going to look so good in a month.

Edit: BTW, Jim Bowden is becoming legit with all the info he gets. Nicely done.

Edited by SoxScout, 01 December 2011 - 11:23 PM.

[Laser Show]

Either Madson finds a sweet spot between the Pap/Bell contracts, or Bard is our closer, I think.

Nathan's deal is going to look so good in a month.

Yea, Stark's tweeting there's a vesting option for a 4th year now too...

[SemperFidelisSox]

Hell must have frozen over because Jeff Loria is actually spending money.

[Wingack]

That is actually not a bad deal for Miami.

[rembrat]

Hell must have frozen over because Jeff Loria is actually spending money.

You can almost smell the fire sale.

Edited by rembrat, 01 December 2011 - 11:40 PM.

[Wingack]

Those firesales always come post World Series championship.

[URI]

That is actually not a bad deal for Miami.

Explain. I see a mid-30s reliever with a declining K rate. What do you see?

[soxhop411]

IMO if it comes down to the sox having to give a 4+/$$$$ million deal to a closer or make Bard our closer and sign some really good BP arms, i would prob go with option B. Because of the contracts Bell/Paps signed with their teams, we will be forced to overpay for a closer in years and money. Bard is going to become our closer anyway, if not this year in a year or two

[soxhop411]

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Vesting option on Bell's deal with #Marlins worth $9M. So, potential for 4 yrs, $36M with vest. #MLB

I am afraid of what it will cost the sox for a closer now.....

Edited by soxhop411, 01 December 2011 - 11:57 PM.

[Wingack]

Explain. I see a mid-30s reliever with a declining K rate. What do you see?

The age is a bit of a concern as is the K rate, but his other peripherals are pretty consistent.

They may have been better off seeing if they could get a K-Rod for less money and years (actually not a bad idea for Boston), but I don't think 9 million a year is out of line for a closer that has saved over 40 games a year for the past 3 years.

I'd rather have Bell at the contract he is getting with the Marlins then Madson for what he was being offered by the Phillies.

[SoxScout]

sign some really good BP arms

Such as? Papelbon and Madson are by far the best bullpen arms, then a handful of the other closers, then pure shit.

[soxhop411]

Such as? Papelbon and Madson are by far the best bullpen arms, then a handful of the other closers, then pure shit.

thats my point. if its going to take 4+ years to sign a closer, just sign some RP and put bard as closer, its better then overpaying in years and money for a closer, which it looks like the sox will have to thanks to the deals paps/bell signed

seems like there is plenty of RP that we can give a shot at. Hell didn't the rays do just that the last two years?

Edited by soxhop411, 02 December 2011 - 12:14 AM.

[mikeford]

Whither Leo Nunez. Or whatever his real name is. Maybe we should just sign that guy.

[SemperFidelisSox]

This will all be moot when Bobby V announces his bullpen by committee plan.

Edited by SemperFidelisSox, 02 December 2011 - 01:14 AM.

[MikeM]

Such as? Papelbon and Madson are by far the best bullpen arms, then a handful of the other closers, then pure shit.

Pretty sure the Scott Boras Mystery Team X rule applies to that request nowadays.

Aka: Don't question for a second that these quality relievers exist and are right around the corner waiting to be easily scooped up on the cheap, but sorry, no specific names can/will be offered at this time.

[ivanvamp]

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Vesting option on Bell's deal with #Marlins worth $9M. So, potential for 4 yrs, $36M with vest. #MLB

I am afraid of what it will cost the sox for a closer now.....

It won't cost them very much. Bard will be the closer.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

It won't cost them very much. Bard will be the closer.

That depends on what they decide the better use of resources are. Bard as the closer, 10-12 million on a 4th and 5th starter and another 10-12 million to fill out the bullpen behind him? Bard as a starter, 4/44 or so for Madsen, 10-12 million to fill out the bullpen and another 5-10 million on a 5th starter? Or perhaps they'll roll the dice on an internal option for that 5th starter.

In any event, you can make a case for option B being better for the team. They're going to have to spend roughly the same money next year to fill out the roster, regardless. So is getting Bard into the rotation and betting on Madsen for 4 years a better long term plan than keeping Bard in the pen and looking to plug the back end of the rotation next year with an eye on free agents down the road ?

I'm honestly not sure.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting on Twitter that the Angels have acquired left hander Brad Mills from the Blue Jays. This is probably a "we feel bad" gift to the Angels for them taking on all of Vernon Wells salary.

Its for Jeff Mathis...eh

Edited by Tyrone Biggums, 03 December 2011 - 12:04 PM.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Ken Rosenthal is reporting on Twitter that the Angels have acquired left hander Brad Mills from the Blue Jays. This is probably a "we feel bad" gift to the Angels for them taking on all of Vernon Wells salary.

He's now reporting that the Jays are getting Jeff Mathis in return. Kinda shocked that Scioscia would let them deal away his binky like that.

[Tyrone Biggums]

He's now reporting that the Jays are getting Jeff Mathis in return. Kinda shocked that Scioscia would let them deal away his binky like that.

I would think that the words "Kicking and Screaming" might apply here.

[AMS25]

He's now reporting that the Jays are getting Jeff Mathis in return. Kinda shocked that Scioscia would let them deal away his binky like that.

Angels fans are rejoicing. Scioscia? Awwww...... Too bad, so sad.

[OnWisc]

Slowey to Rockies for PTBNL.

http://content.usato...rockies-trade/1

Would have been bigger news a few seasons ago. I remember being fairly high on this guy at one time. Always seemed on the verge of getting better results. 1.15 WHIP over 27 starts in 2008, 1.41 WHIP in 2009 while getting slammed with a .345 BABIP, and a respectable 1.29 WHIP in 2010 before imploding somewhat last season.

[OnWisc]

Sergio Santos to Blue Jays for Nestor Molina

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=382096

[SoxScout]

Wow, now that is a shocker. Those are some nasty, nasty pitchers traded for one another.

Edited by SoxScout, 06 December 2011 - 01:01 PM.

[rembrat]

Shit. Sergio is a beast.

[OttoC]

Sergio Santos to Blue Jays for Nestor Molina

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=382096

I don't know anything about Santos but I saw Molina pitch a few times for the Fisher Cats and was very impressed.

[rembrat]

I don't know anything about Santos but I saw Molina pitch a few times for the Fisher Cats and was very impressed.

Santos posted an impressive 9.75 K/9 as a rookie. He blew that out of the water in 2011, posting a K/9 of 13.07. His 14.1% swinging strike rate was fourth-best among qualifed American League relievers. Hitters whiffed on a whopping one-third of the sliders he threw. Thanks in large part to his ridiculous strikeout rate, his 2.87 FIP and 2.69 xFIP cemented him as a true relief ace.

Fangraphs write up

Paragraph from a write up of Sergio Santos back in October when he signed an incredibly team friendly deal. AA does it again. Can we vote them out of the division?

12:$1M, 13:$2.75M, 14:$3.75M, 15:$6M club option, 16:$8M club option, 17:$8.75M club option ($0.75M buyouts for each option)

[SoxScout]

The Red Sox, according to a major league source, never engaged in serious discussions with the White Sox about Santos. Anthopoulos suggested that he had talked with White Sox GM Kenny Williams “about 85 times” over several months about Santos, typically receiving a flat no to inquiries, only to have the deal come together quickly late on Monday night in Chicago’s suite.

http://fullcount.wee...g-for-a-closer/

I mean, how horrifying is this?

[ivanvamp]

That depends on what they decide the better use of resources are. Bard as the closer, 10-12 million on a 4th and 5th starter and another 10-12 million to fill out the bullpen behind him? Bard as a starter, 4/44 or so for Madsen, 10-12 million to fill out the bullpen and another 5-10 million on a 5th starter? Or perhaps they'll roll the dice on an internal option for that 5th starter.

In any event, you can make a case for option B being better for the team. They're going to have to spend roughly the same money next year to fill out the roster, regardless. So is getting Bard into the rotation and betting on Madsen for 4 years a better long term plan than keeping Bard in the pen and looking to plug the back end of the rotation next year with an eye on free agents down the road ?

I'm honestly not sure.

Now I'm reading that Bard wants to start (http://www.boston.co..._to_be_starter/). So if that's true, and he and Aceves go into the rotation, that leaves essentially the entire back end of the bullpen from 2011 gone (Paps, Bard, Aceves). That's a LOT of quality relief innings that need to be replaced. It makes for a very inexpensive rotation (not counting Lackey's dead money for 2012) for potentially a lot of quality, so I guess that money is going to be used in the bullpen. What's out there? Bailey? Madson? Thornton? Mike Gonzalez?

Suddenly I'm very worried about the bullpen.