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#1 tims4wins


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:11 PM

Jesus

Channel 7 is reporting:

Josh Beckett, Jon Lester and John Lackey drank beer in the Red Sox dugout during games, according to two Red Sox employees who witnessed the drinking on multiple occasions at Fenway Park.

On nights when they were not pitching, Beckett, Lester and Lackey would exit the dugout as early as the 6th inning, walk back to the clubhouse, and fill cups with Bud Light beer. They would then return to the dugout with cups of beer and drink while watching the game. It didn’t make a difference whether the Red Sox were winning or losing at the time and the practice became more frequent later in the 2011 season. One Red Sox employee said Beckett, Lester and Lackey appeared “bored on nights they weren’t pitching and this is how they entertained themselves.”

Another Red Sox employee described the routine like this: “Beckett would come down the stairs from the dugout, walking through the corridor to the clubhouse and say ‘it’s about that time’. Becket was the instigator but Lester and Lackey were right behind him.

It was blatant and hard not to notice what was going on with all three guys leaving at once.”

Both Red Sox employees said it was exclusively those three pitchers, (Beckett, Lester and Lackey) who were drinking in the dugout during games.


Edited by tims4wins, 18 October 2011 - 04:14 PM.


#2 rembrat


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:12 PM

Don't even care anymore.

#3 Rasputin


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:13 PM

I don't care and I don't really think Jesus does either.

I don't give a fuck if they put Guinness in the gatorate bucket. I give a shit if they bust their ass to win.

#4 veritas

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:14 PM

You know what, I'd much rather them be drinking in the dugout than not drinking in the clubhouse during games. In fact, I couldn't care less if they were drinking beer in the dugout during games, as long as they weren't getting hammered.

#5 Toe Nash

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:15 PM

I heard from a Red Sox employee that they drank on the mound while they were pitching. There was a little spot behind the rubber where they could hide a beer; the grounds crew didn't mow that part. They even paid off the crew in Camden Yards to do the same. Also, the rosin bag often was filled with cocaine.

#6 Mike Greenwall

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:17 PM

Words fail me.

When Giamatti said this game is designed to break your heart, he did not mean this.

#7 E5 Yaz


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:18 PM

I'm more interested in these unnamed Sox employees at this point. Why do they keep releasing this to the media? What's the end game? And why hasn't JWH issued a company-wide edict that if they get found out, they're gone?

#8 Terras


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:18 PM

This story won't die and of course it's the most over-the-top news outlet in the city reporting it.

#9 Chemistry Schmemistry


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:18 PM

according to two Red Sox employees


I don't suppose these two upstanding and anonymous members of the community mind very much cashing their paychecks.

Who gives a damn what they're drinking? Or whether they cheer loudly or convincingly or whether they "appear" bored?

It would be nice, though, if the media would stop this childish game of reporting unimportant gossip from sources who hide like frightened house pets.

#10 cwright

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:20 PM

I heard from a Red Sox employee that they drank on the mound while they were pitching. There was a little spot behind the rubber where they could hide a beer; the grounds crew didn't mow that part. They even paid off the crew in Camden Yards to do the same. Also, the rosin bag often was filled with cocaine.


I was a little suspicious when they unveiled these new hats:
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What a discouraging offseason.

#11 tonyarmasjr

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:20 PM

Well, as long as they didn't do it with a dip in...



#12 Reverend


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:21 PM

I never realized how boring this game really is.

#13 mikeford


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:24 PM

Maybe they should've pitched drunk, it worked for David Wells and they couldn't really have pitched worse in September drunk than they did sober.



Edit: Rev just won the thread.

Edited by mikeford, 18 October 2011 - 04:25 PM.


#14 greek_gawd_of_walks


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:25 PM

The guy who needed a stiff drink was Carl.

#15 Mystic Merlin


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:26 PM

This entire story is fucking ridiculous.

We're eating right out of the media's hands.

#16 ThatsMyPeskyPole

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:27 PM

Don't even care anymore.


Agreed

#17 BannedbyNYYFans.com

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:29 PM

I hope the next story that comes out is "Beckett, Lackey, and Lester sacrificed small children in the dugout during Satanic rituals...while drinking beer and eating fried chicken". That way we can just get past the story. I hate when shit just slowly leaks out.

#18 JBill

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:32 PM

I'm more interested in these unnamed Sox employees at this point. Why do they keep releasing this to the media? What's the end game? And why hasn't JWH issued a company-wide edict that if they get found out, they're gone?

With the manager and GM both gone (well, almost) maybe there's no one around at the moment to put a stop to all the leaking and impose some order.

#19 E5 Yaz


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:33 PM

With the manager and GM both gone (well, almost) maybe there's no one around at the moment to put a stop to all the leaking and impose some order.


You'd think that if it came from JWH, that might suffice

#20 judyb

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:37 PM

I hope the next story that comes out is "Beckett, Lackey, and Lester sacrificed small children in the dugout during Satanic rituals...while drinking beer and eating fried chicken". That way we can just get past the story. I hate when shit just slowly leaks out.


Haven't seen this, yet?
http://www.fangraphs...ed-sox-janitor/

#21 yecul


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:38 PM

Sometimes you need those rally beers in the 6th. It's like a relief ace, you crack one open when it's needed rather than saving it to the end. All is well. In fact, the Sox are super duper awesome. I like cotton candy and unicorns too. [/Lucen]

#22 JBill

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:39 PM

You'd think that if it came from JWH, that might suffice

Maybe they are from employees who won't be part of the new regime? The club looks to be in a pretty big transitional phase at the moment, the most in about a decade, they need to settle this Theo compensation issue and get a manager who can bring in his own people. Then I hope we can see an end to some of this.

Also, these anonymous employees are doing their best to make Lester look as bad as possible. The first "leak" came after his comments to the Globe, essentially calling him a liar, and now again after he tried to clear the air with Edes.

#23 scotian1

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:41 PM

This story obviously had to come from one of the clubhouse attendants. Could be the same person who talked about Tito and his pills. Wonder how he knew what was in their cups? Did he watch them pour the stuff or pour it for them? Look for someone that may have lost their job after the season. Sounds like someone has a real grudge against this team.

#24 No Guru No Method

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:42 PM

Lets put a keg at all the bases, on the mound, in the dugout and in the bullpen. That should keep everybody interested and focused.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:51 PM

This story obviously had to come from one of the clubhouse attendants. Could be the same person who talked about Tito and his pills. Wonder how he knew what was in their cups? Did he watch them pour the stuff or pour it for them? Look for someone that may have lost their job after the season. Sounds like someone has a real grudge against this team.

Who has been fired so far? We might need to start a wiki entry for the Great Purge of 2011.

#26 Paul M


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 04:52 PM

When you impload as an organization, this is what happens. I am not so quick to dismiss this and maybe this is just reactionary but I am not really sure I care about this team right now. As "gossip girl" as the media has been it is maybe not the worst thing to know how a team can truly collapse is when there are players that are not really fully invested.

#27 Rasputin


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:07 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how it's Dan Duquette's fault.

#28 Comfortably Lomb


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:11 PM

They're telling us what we already know - games are too long to sit through without a decent buzz.

#29 Ananti


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:19 PM

I don't know why people are pissed off at the employee, the only reason this is still a story is because of Jon Lester.

Had he simply said in his interview "we drank during games, it was wrong, I'm sorry I did it, won't happen again, ever!", that would have been the end of it. No more stories.

Instead in his half-sincere apology he goes on to imply it was just an occasional rally beer in the 9th inning, so it was no big deal. Which of course is going to lead to people who saw what really happened wanting to set the record straight with the truth.

Edited by Ananti, 18 October 2011 - 05:19 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:20 PM

Just a thought what if Tito is the leak

#31 E5 Yaz


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:25 PM

Instead in his half-sincere apology he goes on to imply it was just an occasional rally beer in the 9th inning, so it was no big deal. Which of course is going to lead to people who saw what really happened wanting to set the record straight with the truth.


And you know that Lester was lying and the unnamed sources are telling the truth .... how?

#32 brs3


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:26 PM

$20 to the Jimmy Fund when they report that there was a keggerator installed in the bullpen.

#33 Ananti


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:27 PM

And you know that Lester was lying and the unnamed sources are telling the truth .... how?


Logic.

#34 Rasputin


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:29 PM

Logic.


No. Whatever the process was, it isn't logic.

#35 Sprowl


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:31 PM

And you know that Lester was lying and the unnamed sources are telling the truth .... how?


Because of the artistic verisimilitude of the quotation. "It's about that time" replaces "If I wake up in the morning, I'm good" as quote of the 2011 season.


Also, if somebody is drinking beer out of a cup, everybody can smell it. The stuff reeks.

#36 Harry Hooper


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:36 PM

Logic.


Ah, but the Bud Lights! That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the clubhouse icebox did exist!

#37 shepard50

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:37 PM

I don't think a ninth inning beer in the dugout is a big deal, nor does ordering in fried chicken disturb me. The worry I have in hindsight is that if you take Francona's comments about being there for each other, add in the clique concerns and the burden of suck in September provided by Starting Pitching, you get the sense that Lackey, Lester and Beckett weren't really great teammates when it mattered.

Hoisting a beer (within a micro club/clique) right next to your teammates (who can't because they are, y'know, playing an ML ballgame), is a separating act. You can talk all you want about how winning is what brings teams together, but basically, you have to be going through the winning or the losing...together. These guys clearly weren't.

This is a manager issue. As soon as the Team names a manager, this issue will be on that person going forward to deal with in the best way, at coach and player level.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 05:56 PM

This whole thing is getting Ludacris!

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Ludacris I tell ya!

#39 Snowplow

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:01 PM

I'm still trying to figure out how it's Dan Duquette's fault.


This deserves more attention.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:01 PM

On nights when they were not pitching, Beckett, Lester and Lackey would exit the dugout as early as the 6th inning, walk back to the clubhouse, and fill cups with Bud Light beer.


I'm conflicted about this.

On the one hand, I just can't understand how guys making millions of dollars per year to play a kids' game didn't pony up for beer that doesn't suck. Are these guys cheapskates? Is their taste in beer that awful?

On the other hand, that they were drinking any kind of light beer demonstrates that all of this talk about not caring and ignoring conditioning is utter nonsense.

#41 MyDaughterLovesTomGordon

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:02 PM

Does the glee with which "Red Sox employees" are ratting out the players trouble anyone else as much as me? I thought there was at least a bit of what goes on in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse ethos. Were the Sox players just such incredible dicks that everyone non-player member of the Sox is desperate to throw them under the bus? What do these unnamed sources get out of it? I just don't understand why everyone in the organization is eager to slime the brand. It makes no sense to me. Clam the fuck up, people.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:09 PM

Does the glee with which "Red Sox employees" are ratting out the players trouble anyone else as much as me? I thought there was at least a bit of what goes on in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse ethos. Were the Sox players just such incredible dicks that everyone non-player member of the Sox is desperate to throw them under the bus? What do these unnamed sources get out of it? I just don't understand why everyone in the organization is eager to slime the brand. It makes no sense to me. Clam the fuck up, people.


I find it revolting. Take the fucking high road, people.

#43 Rudy Pemberton


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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:15 PM

It's a damn shame they didn't win a few more games, because then this would be awesome. All this shit is exactly that, shit. Who cares.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:16 PM

I'm conflicted about this.

On the one hand, I just can't understand how guys making millions of dollars per year to play a kids' game didn't pony up for beer that doesn't suck. Are these guys cheapskates? Is their taste in beer that awful?

On the other hand, that they were drinking any kind of light beer demonstrates that all of this talk about not caring and ignoring conditioning is utter nonsense.


You've been exposed to Beckett for several years and he strikes you as someone with refined tastes?

#45 Red(s)HawksFan

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:22 PM

On the other hand, that they were drinking any kind of light beer demonstrates that all of this talk about not caring and ignoring conditioning is utter nonsense.

Clearly, Bud Light is the cornerstone of the well conditioned athlete's diet.
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#46 JimD

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:35 PM

If players brought beer to the dugout, what does that say about how completely Francona lost control over this team?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:41 PM

Clearly, Bud Light is the cornerstone of the well conditioned athlete's diet.
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Bud Light is the traditional drink of the celebrating Red Sox, as distinguished from Jack Daniels, which is just the aperitif.

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#48 scotian1

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:50 PM

If players brought beer to the dugout, what does that say about how completely Francona lost control over this team?

Could he not have just spoken up and ended this if it was this bad?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:55 PM

Ah, but the Bud Lights! That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the clubhouse icebox did exist!

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#50 Maureen Adele

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:56 PM

Could he not have just spoken up and ended this if it was this bad?

He should have marched them into his office and read them the riot act. How could he command any respect from any of the players to let this go on? I hope this report is wrong, we'll never know.




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