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#251 plucy

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:55 PM

The more I think about it, with Bowden, Atchinson, and Doubront out of options, AND the goal of staying below the luxury tax threshold, I'd really be surprised if they make a move for a SP at the beginning of the season. The intensive is there to see if either Bowden and/or Doubront can hang on to a roster spot in some function at a cheap price.


Unless the price for Oswalt or Kuroda falls so ridiculously low that it's worth paying the 40% tax, this is probably the plan. Risky but could provide good value.
There are four candidates (Aceves, Bard, Miller, and Doubront) for two spots. Matsuzaka is due back around the ASG. Mid year trades for pitching depth may be less expensive than in the past due to the change in FA compensation. Starters like Correia, Dempster,Baker, Liriano, or Lowe could be available and the price would not he prohibitive since draft pick compensation would not enter into the consideration. We're talking innings eaters or filler to cover the four-five slots, so although these names are not awe-inspiring, they only have to be replacement level.
The loss of Bedard, Lackey,Wakefield, Matsuzaka et al amounts to about 4 fWAR. A healthy Buchholz makes up for about half, so the bar is low for the last two spots in the rotation. Why not see what the cost controlled alternatives have to offer?

#252 Towney007

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 01:26 PM

I just don't think Oswalt or Kuroda are realistic options at this point. The only way Oswalt ends up here is on a one-year deal and if the purpose of a pillow contract is to pad numbers in hopes of a better deal - then Fenway and the AL East isn't the place to be. Kuroda is just too risky given his age and there aren't any indications he takes a one year deal. To me - neither guy is an option at this point.

Had the news on Jenks not broken yesterday, I'd agree with you that there'd be a *very* real possibility they stand pat until the season, but with him depleting their bullpen depth, I can't imagine them doing that now. I think they'll opt to keep Aceves in the pen. I think the course of action they take is likely to wait out arbitration, see where they're at in terms of payroll and pick up a Francis/Maholm type so long as the price is right and they look healthy. If not, they may just opt to see if Aceves can start, but I think the Jenks injury changes things a bit.

#253 The Celtbot

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:19 PM

What does everybody think of Paul Maholm? Apparently we are being linked with him now. He was great last year, but he's had a couple bad years as well. He's still relatively young, I think he could be had for cheap and be a wise pickup.

#254 pantsparty

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 07:49 PM

I haven't seen him pitch, but his numbers seem decent. Reasonable GB%, didn't benefit from some unsustainably low BABIP, and while his K/9 is low his BB/9 isn't terrible. If they can sign him to fairly short and not overly expensive contract, it would seem to be a good move so long as he's healthy.

#255 Sampo Gida

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:03 PM

I haven't seen him pitch, but his numbers seem decent. Reasonable GB%, didn't benefit from some unsustainably low BABIP, and while his K/9 is low his BB/9 isn't terrible. If they can sign him to fairly short and not overly expensive contract, it would seem to be a good move so long as he's healthy.


He had a career low BABIP (292) and career high LD rate (21.9%) before sitting out the last 6 weeks of the season with a sore shoulder. Low K/9 even when healthy (5.6). Might be the type who would have trouble making the transition from the NL to AL East (ala Jeff Suppan who had good numbers with Pit in 2003 before Theo traded for him in midseason and awful numbers with Boston).

I would think he would be a good signing if they could stash him in the minors until needed (assuming he does not win the job as 5th SP'er in ST). Can't have enough pitching.

#256 untilthebombs

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:03 PM

They could do worse than Maholm, but I don't care much for for a guy that throw a fastball 50% of the time that does no better than 87 mph. Between Maholm (on likely a two/three year deal) and the guys coming into camp to compete for a spot, I'd rather see them stick with what they've got and make a move midseason if it makes sense.

#257 untilthebombs

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:05 PM

He had a career low BABIP (292) and career high LD rate (21.9%) before sitting out the last 6 weeks of the season with a sore shoulder. Low K/9 even when healthy (5.6). Might be the type who would have trouble making the transition from the NL to AL East (ala Jeff Suppan who had good numbers with Pit in 2003 before Theo traded for him in midseason and awful numbers with Boston).

I would think he would be a good signing if they could stash him in the minors until needed (assuming he does not win the job as 5th SP'er in ST). Can't have enough pitching.


No way Maholm takes a deal that puts him in the minors. He may not be AL East caliber, but he's good enough to start in quite a few rotations.

#258 Sampo Gida

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:29 PM

No way Maholm takes a deal that puts him in the minors. He may not be AL East caliber, but he's good enough to start in quite a few rotations.


He missed the last 6 weeks of the season with a bad shoulder, so maybe he could start the year on the DL and rehab in Pawtuckett,. But I agree he should be looking for a team that offers certainty of a position as starter on the MLB roster. Not sure I would want to guarantee him a spot to start the season.

#259 The Celtbot

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:04 PM

I'd rather take a guy that throws slow and has a low ERA than have a guy like Lackey stuck in the rotation. I get the impression that only one of Bard and Aceves will start next year and it's up to them in spring training to prove themselves.

#260 LynnRice75

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:51 PM

Just testing out the new site. I don't mind a bunch of guys battling for the 5th spot. Still hoping Dice-K surprises us with some contributions in the second half of the season.

Edited by LynnRice75, 06 January 2012 - 11:53 PM.


#261 untilthebombs

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:04 AM

I'd rather take a guy that throws slow and has a low ERA than have a guy like Lackey stuck in the rotation. I get the impression that only one of Bard and Aceves will start next year and it's up to them in spring training to prove themselves.


The point being that a soft tosser isn't going to get you through the Yankees', Blue Jays', and Rays; lineups, resulting in a high ERA.

Edited by untilthebombs, 07 January 2012 - 12:05 AM.


#262 The Celtbot

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 09:24 AM

The point being that a soft tosser isn't going to get you through the Yankees', Blue Jays', and Rays; lineups, resulting in a high ERA.


If he's got good location on his pitches and can paint the corners or keep the batters guessing, then I disagree with you on that point. I read he has a 50% ground ball ratio as well which would be perfect for Fenway.

#263 Cellar-Door

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 04:02 PM

The point being that a soft tosser isn't going to get you through the Yankees', Blue Jays', and Rays; lineups, resulting in a high ERA.

Small Sample sizes of course but:
Career vs AL East- 3.03 ERA 1.45 WHIP
Career vs AL as a whole: 4.63 ERA 1.56 WHIP
When I was looking through to assemble this I noticed that he actually did well against just about every AL team he faced with 2 exceptions. He got mauled in a start against the Twins (5 IP 8 ER), and he had a terrible 1 IP 5ER performance against the Rangers (which also included at least one error as he also gave up 2 unearned runs)

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:12 PM

Small Sample sizes of course but:
Career vs AL East- 3.03 ERA 1.45 WHIP
Career vs AL as a whole: 4.63 ERA 1.56 WHIP
When I was looking through to assemble this I noticed that he actually did well against just about every AL team he faced with 2 exceptions. He got mauled in a start against the Twins (5 IP 8 ER), and he had a terrible 1 IP 5ER performance against the Rangers (which also included at least one error as he also gave up 2 unearned runs)


His WHIP scares me with that sample size, that being said we could do a lot worse next year (see Miller, Andrew)

#265 pantsparty

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 02:29 AM

Freddy Garcia throws like 85 mph and he was fine last year for the Yankees. I don't think a lack of velocity is too big a deal for a #4/5 starter if they have good control.

#266 untilthebombs

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:10 PM

Freddy Garcia throws like 85 mph and he was fine last year for the Yankees. I don't think a lack of velocity is too big a deal for a #4/5 starter if they have good control.


Garcia throws 87 mph as well, but you're missing the point. A lack of velocity is not inherently bad, even if it does make things more difficult. The potential problem with Maholm that I addressed is his reliance on his subpar fastball (straight fastball and 2-seam), throwing it 51% of the time in 2011.

Garcia threw his fastball (straight, split-finger, and 2-seam) 44% of the time. That 6% as well as using an additional type of fastball makes a difference in throwing hitter off.

#267 MikeM

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 12:44 PM

No way Maholm takes a deal that puts him in the minors. He may not be AL East caliber, but he's good enough to start in quite a few rotations.




Minor league deal? Ha. Realistically, Maholm is probably due a deal that exceeds what we are currently willing/able to hand out to a starting pitching this winter to begin with.

While i initially liked Maholm as a sleeper sign, that was really something that we wanted/needed to see materialize early on, and ultimately going down in a sort of slip-through-the-cracks type manner. Now that it's apparently not going to play out that way, he's looking like a dead end road imo. At this point, and barring more generalized and ongoing "we are open to the right possibility if/when it presents itself" surface talk, i don't think anybody else is entering the potential mix. Those last 2 spots will be decided by internal options.

And on that note, Buchholz really, really needs to take that step from paper hero to cornerstone piece of the puzzle this season. 200ip+, without hearing a peep about that back all season. No excuses.

#268 LeoCarrillo

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:33 PM

And on that note, Buchholz really, really needs to take that step from paper hero to cornerstone piece of the puzzle this season. 200ip+, without hearing a peep about that back all season. No excuses.


This would help. Though to cut the kid some slack, two seasons ago he finished sixth in Cy Young voting and went 17-7 with a 2.33 ERA. He's been cornerstone piece for about 80% of a season. (To your point, he only pitched 173.2 innings and all five pitchers above him in Cy vote went 200+. But IIRC he went to the DL midseason after getting hurt running the bases in SF. Flukey.)

And I agree with what I'm interpolating as your broader point, that if our 1-2-3 are all aces, and our offense piles up runs, then our 4 and 5 could be Lenny and Squiggy and it won't matter a whole lot. We'll still win 95 and run out three studs in the playoffs.

#269 untilthebombs

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 03:59 PM

Just noticed that the Silva signing was really only mentioned in passing in this thread.

I like it a lot. Maybe like Millwood we'll never see him with the big league club, but I prefer Silva on a minor league deal to say Saunders on a guaranteed contract. Assuming Silva doesn't earn a spot in the rotation in spring training (which could either be a really good thing or a really bad thing depending on how you look at it), the organization will be free to keep one of those players out of options around to start the season, getting a good (possibly final) look at whether Bowden or Doubront belong with the club, and have Silva waiting in the wings if they fail to stick.

And sure, maybe Silva comes up and is just as terrible, but in addition to not taking up a roster spot to start the season, he's coming at essentially no cost financially and doesn't require the organization to part with any prospects.

Edited by untilthebombs, 08 January 2012 - 03:59 PM.


#270 SpruceTrap

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:07 PM

Assuming Jackson, Oswalt, Kuroda and Saunders are out of our price range I'd say or best remaining options are Maholm, Pineiro and Livan Hernandez. Among the remaining free agent starters, they're all in the top four in innings pitched. The last three seasons they've averaged.

Pineiro - 170.2 IP, 4.06 ERA, 3.77 FIP
Maholm - 180.2 IP, 4.43 ERA, 3.93 FIP
Hernandez - 190.1 IP, 4.48 ERA, 4.11 FIP

Pineiro looks surprisingly appealing if we were willing to give him another chance. Also interesting to note is that of all available free agent starters in our price range, Javier Vazquez was second in innings pitched while averaging a 3.83 ERA and a 3.81 FIP. Is he far enough removed from his disastrous season with the Yankees to give him another chance?

#271 Burgmeier In LF

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 04:30 PM

Not that I'm advocating for any of them, but here are some other high risk (ie: low $) or injured pitchers to possibly look at

Rich Harden - apparently healthy, but bad year last year w/ OAK 15GS 82IP 5.12ERA 1.43WHIP
Jeff Suppan - 27 Starts in AAA Omaha last year 165IP 186 Hits allowed 4.78ERA 1.43WHIP in PCL $1M last year
Chris Young - Had surgery to repair torn capsule muscle (same as J.Santana) 4GS 24IP 1.88ERA 0.96WHIP
Miguel Batista - Old and Cheap
Joel Pineiro - mentioned up thread
Vincente Padilla - Surgery in June to repair bulging disk in neck 8IP last year
Zack Duke - 9GS 4.93ERA 1.57WHIP 76IP
Wake
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#272 The Celtbot

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 10:56 PM

According to a post on the main forum sourcing twitter, we signed Aaron Cook to a minor league deal. Hope this isn't the low cost starters Cherington is referring to. He was an all star back in 2008, but even then he wasn't that great.

#273 Towney007

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:14 PM

I *love* this as a minor league deal.

#274 untilthebombs

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:40 PM

I *love* this as a minor league deal.


Same. The more the merrier.

#275 untilthebombs

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:50 PM

Interesting to see that last year over 18 appearances (17 starts) Cook had a 6.03 ERA, but a 4.54 FIP, 4.37 xFIP. Some of the difference is probably deserving. He had a just 65.2 LOB% (75% historical avg), but only is 69.6% for his career. A .345 BABIP (.290-.300 historical avg) seems likely to regress, not to mention may have been inflated as he recovered from injury. And though a 11.3% HR/FB rate isn't something to get excited about, a switch from Coors to Fenway could bring that down quite a bit.

Don't know enough about fractures though to have any real idea of how much of the difference between the ERA and FIP he should own, but there's some room for encouragement there.

Edited by untilthebombs, 08 January 2012 - 11:52 PM.


#276 Tyrone Biggums


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:45 AM

According to a post on the main forum sourcing twitter, we signed Aaron Cook to a minor league deal. Hope this isn't the low cost starters Cherington is referring to. He was an all star back in 2008, but even then he wasn't that great.


Please get well soon Dice K :blink:

#277 The Celtbot

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:57 AM

This guy also has had a decent walk total compared to his K's, but he isn't much of a strikeout pitcher so I guess that is alright. He's supposedly got a good sinker and that may of helped him survive this long up there.

#278 Eck'sSneakyCheese

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:37 AM

It would seem that the "low cost, high reward" way of doing things is coming to fruition. Ben had mentioned at the winter meetings trying to find Aceves like talent rather than go and sign the big name. I, for one, am ok with that. This team seriously lacked depth the past couple of years and it seems that is exactly what we're building towards now. Cook and Silva both could pan out, with possibly more names to join. Interesting that they're going after guys like Cook, Silva and Maholm, they all seem to have pretty much the same make-up. Cook's GB% is 57.4 for his career and Maholm is 52.3% ,Silva's is 48% all over the avg. 44%.

#279 Towney007

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 11:59 AM

That's where all the recent value's been in the pitching FA market. Guys like Garcia, etc. I'd like to still see them add a guy like Maholm, but with basically Cook, Silva and Miller with Dice-K as your cavalry in the second half - they're stacking up a lot of depth.

#280 untilthebombs

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:07 PM

I'm OK with the approach, but just a reminder, for every Garcia/Colon, there's a Penny/Smoltz. In fact, there's a lot more of the latter.

#281 Eck'sSneakyCheese

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:16 PM

Looks like Maholm is going to the Cubs... Epstein on our tail again.

#282 Tyrone Biggums


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:43 PM

It would seem that the "low cost, high reward" way of doing things is coming to fruition. Ben had mentioned at the winter meetings trying to find Aceves like talent rather than go and sign the big name. I, for one, am ok with that. This team seriously lacked depth the past couple of years and it seems that is exactly what we're building towards now. Cook and Silva both could pan out, with possibly more names to join. Interesting that they're going after guys like Cook, Silva and Maholm, they all seem to have pretty much the same make-up. Cook's GB% is 57.4 for his career and Maholm is 52.3% ,Silva's is 48% all over the avg. 44%.


With the fascination concerning the ground ball starters makes me wonder even more why Ben never pursued D-Lowe. Always seemed like someone who would be a solid #5. Maybe Dice-K has a real shot to come back by June...

#283 Towney007

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:11 PM

I'd assume Lowe was cost-prohibitive. He was owed something like $15 million this year. Even if the Braves ate half of that, I don't think the Red Sox are looking for anything that expensive.

I can't imagine them going over $5 million to nab a starter right now considering how the market's come way, way, way down and doesn't appear to be breaking the opposite way anytime soon. There's also the distinct possibility of them signing some more Cook/Silva types, slotting Bard in the #4 spot and letting the others duke it out to hold the spot until Dice-K comes back. Francis, Harden, Hernandez, Millwood, Piniero are all out there. Young and Webb could be fliers as well.

And random question - anyone know what Ben Sheets has been up to since Tommy John? Would he be worth a look?

#284 TOleary25

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:40 PM

And random question - anyone know what Ben Sheets has been up to since Tommy John? Would he be worth a look?


On top of Tommy John, he had two other tendons in his elbow repaired in his last surgery. He'll probably never pitch again.

I'd be interested in Harden but more as a reliever than a starter. He basically only has two pitches he uses now and could potentially gain some life on his fastball with a switch to the pen.

#285 MikeM

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:47 PM

And I agree with what I'm interpolating as your broader point, that if our 1-2-3 are all aces, and our offense piles up runs, then our 4 and 5 could be Lenny and Squiggy and it won't matter a whole lot. We'll still win 95 and run out three studs in the playoffs.


Back in the winter of 2006-07, i spent a substantial amount of time/energy debating the defending logic (at that time) between signing Lugo to stupid money, and simply handing Alex Cora the starting the job. I pretty much feel now as i felt then on this matter, in that the general concept of aggressively chasing down the marginal paper upgrades is a good thing, as long as one does not over-extend the realm of reality existing around it in the process. Ya know, such as getting so caught up in the attempt to avoid the unfathomable thought of slating Alex Cora as *gasp* the Boston Red Sox's starting SS, one starts seeing/viewing the alternative potential possibilities based more on what they want/need to be there rather then.....well, what's actually there.

I like a guy like Maholm, but at the end of the day, there's a big difference between that sort of appeal and competitive'type interest. He's a lower end scrub bet, who currently is just a better surface bet then the potential scrubs we already have access to, any one of whom (including Maholm) i doubt many of us posting here would be all that shocked to see get lit up like a Christmas tree if/'when given the opportunity. Somebody that minus the reasonable upside potential, you don't go to the financial wall for. That latter which is a potentially critical aspect in all that for me btw, as i'm sure it's been established by now (and in other threads here) that i see the current budget crunch presenting a much harsher surrounding reality then most seem to atm.

Bottomline, if i'm GM of this team right now and i have $5m left on the year to spend on a bottom half starting pitcher, i'm in no hurry to hand that out to some low end scrub option unless i feel i'm getting a pretty buyer-friendly deal/opportunity in the process. Otherwise, better to just keep all the leashes short for now (and don't kid yourself imo, as anybody that gets handed that $5m right now will be getting a fair amount of rope along with it), hold on to that money for the time being, and play out what i have before potentially deciding latter if/when i need a filler upgrade. Of course, keeping in mind that pretty anything i do right now will probably play out to be an upgrade to what we saw in 2011.


Wasn't trying to be too hard of Buchholz either....but yeah, that is what it is and a much more key factor going in all this atm. It's not like he's some 22-23 year old spring chicken anymore either, or somebody projecting to have some un-prototypical career path ahead of him either for that matter. 2010 was great and all, but if we are going to see a lot more of that, his time for the "doing" there is right now. And if we are sitting around at this time next year again talking about Buchholz in terms of but/if's, it's probably a fairly safe bet that's taking place in an even uglier setting then we see around us now imo.

#286 Eck'sSneakyCheese

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:05 AM

Red Sox sign Justin Germano RHP. 9 gms with the Indians last year before pitching in Korea. Seems like more ST fodder. Interesting note career GB% rate of 48% but has declined since '04.

#287 stokdok

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:00 AM

Aaron Cook, 6.03 ERA last year in the NL...nice that he'll keep a seat warm for Lackey until he comes back from TJ surgery.

#288 TOleary25

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:56 AM

In his defense, that ERA came with a .345 BABIP. He posted a FIP of 4.54 and xFIP of 4.37. The Sox can handle having a fifth starter with a ~5 ERA if the front four live up to their potential.

#289 Towney007

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 01:32 PM

Red Sox 'closing in on Hiroki Kuroda' ... not sure i'm buying it - but for as much of a goof ball as he is, Bowden's been right about virtually everything this offseason.. His price must have tumbled. Or the Red Sox said 'F--k it.'

#290 TOleary25

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:47 PM

Awesome news if true. Kuroda is a very solid 4th starter and gives the team flexibility to move one of Bard or Aceves to the pen. I for one hope Aceves gets the 5th spot at the start of the season. A back end of Melancon, Bard, and Bailey is pretty appealing.

#291 Towney007

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:11 PM

Well, so much for that... pretty strong language here...

#292 MikeM

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:21 PM

His price must have tumbled. Or the Red Sox said 'F--k it.'


Or it's simply gotten to the point where we've essentially become the Kim Kardashian team of this off-season's rumor mill. No shortage of talk/hype/linkage...apparently with little to zero actual substance/reasoning behind any of it, outside serving as a constant reminder that we do in fact exist.

IDK, now i keep going back to to all the internal factors, and it just fits imo. Payroll crunch, giving Bard and/or Aceves a shot, the lack of options years on some guys, the apparent man-crush this FO has on Andrew Miller, the inevitable invitation to ST going out to Wakefield...

It's practically a certainty that at worst, Kuroda is getting a more money then the likes of Maholm, Bedard, Harang, Chen, Wang, Wada, Iwakuma,ectt....all of which got $4-6m/per. The Red Sox didn't show up on the reality radar on any of those guys, not a single rumored offer......yet now we are going to show up with legitimate interest in spending big on a 37 year old Kuroda? Outside feeding the need for noise, that's just not adding up imo.

#293 Towney007

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:34 PM

I dunno if it's just me of late - but I've been noticing an inordinate number of 'lets come up with a fantasy scenario, push likehell for it so we have something to write about - that way if the scenario works, we can take partial credit and love ourselves and if it doesn't, we can write endless pieces on how team X in fantasy scenario dropped the ball" stories in the last year or so. Its like when the media gets bored, not only are they sliding rumors out there, but they're actively seeking their follow through.

#294 BoredViewer

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 07:00 PM

Would still like to see Jeff Francis brought in to round out the rotation.

#295 starfailure

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:40 PM

The Red Sox met with Vicente Padilla yesterday.
http://www.elnuevodi...deportes/238354

Hard to believe he was the Dodgers' opening day starter in 2010. It didn't go well.
http://www.baseball-...201004050.shtml

Edited by starfailure, 12 January 2012 - 01:40 PM.


#296 Eck'sSneakyCheese

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 01:51 PM

The Red Sox met with Vicente Padilla yesterday.
http://www.elnuevodi...deportes/238354

Hard to believe he was the Dodgers' opening day starter in 2010. It didn't go well.
http://www.baseball-...201004050.shtml


There's been reports of his FB hitting 95-96 MPH in winter ball... Sounds like another good addition to add to the pile. He's only 34 too. Thought he was older.

#297 AMS25

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 02:00 PM

The Red Sox met with Vicente Padilla yesterday.
http://www.elnuevodi...deportes/238354

Hard to believe he was the Dodgers' opening day starter in 2010. It didn't go well.
http://www.baseball-...201004050.shtml


Talk about leaving no stone unturned.... If I remember correctly, the Rangers released him for being a "disruptive clubhouse presence." Just what the pitching staff needs....

#298 ehaz

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 02:05 PM

From wikipedia:

He also has a history of hitting former teammate Mark Teixeira

Even if it doesn't pan out I guess he won't be completely useless...

#299 TOleary25

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 02:32 PM

Talk about leaving no stone unturned.... If I remember correctly, the Rangers released him for being a "disruptive clubhouse presence." Just what the pitching staff needs....


You are correct. And I believe there were also stories of Rangers players thanking Daniels for releasing him. Just out of curiosity, when was the last time one of these reclamation starters worked out for the Sox? The Yankees seem to have one of these every year while the Red Sox flop with Smoltz, Wade Miller, Millwood, etc.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:47 PM

Aaron Cook, 6.03 ERA last year in the NL...nice that he'll keep a seat warm for Lackey until he comes back from TJ surgery.


Think about that statement for a minute. Cook is THAT bad when his signing makes RSN pine for John Lackey.

On the other hand, if he stays healthy Padilla is a very respectable #5 and at worst case a substancial upgrade over the Atchinson/Bowden/Albers of the world.




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