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[Royal Reader]

What this in combination with the Bills win does is make it very hard to see how the Jets can afford any of those Sanchize four-pick specials against mediocre teams going forward. They're going to have to beat everyone they should beat and not suffer any of those any given Sunday stumbles.

[Remagellan]

The two most ARROGANT teams in the NFL are now a combined 3-7 on the season.

SUCK IT, GANGS GREEN!

[SemperFidelisSox]

How bout them Cowboys.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Pants....off!

[johnmd20]

Well, outside of the playoffs.

Probably why he said, "Regular Season of course."

[phragle]

A lot of mistakes but we still won without too much touble. Have to be happy about that. Two good challenges by BB.

I guess the Jets aren't the team we have to worry about. It's the Bills.

[phragle]

Probably why he said, "Regular Season of course."

In an edit

[patinorange]

Tom Brady is now 30-0 in his last 30 home games.

That is ridiculous.

Regular season of course.

That's an incredible stat. It's totally meaningless to me until he breaks the playoff losing streak.
Yes, I know, entitled Yankeeish BS. I can't help it.

[ShaneTrot]

Huge win, and now the Jets can destroy themselves with infighting! I look forward to the implosion. Plus they can't stop the run even when they know it's coming!

[LesterFan]

Feels good beating the fucking Jets. And on top of that the Giants lost to the Seahawks. Bad day in New York.

[Tony C]

i love BJGE

[PaulinMyrBch]

30-0 at home regular season Is a pretty good sign we play home playoff games...just need to win them...so keep them coming...

[ivanvamp]

The power of Christ compels them

Listen, I don't want Tebow to be my QB for all the reasons you guys don't (plus we have Brady...duh), but the guy is exciting and he damn near pulled off an unbelievable comeback today. Like it or not, it's possible the Tim Tebow era in Denver has actually begun.

Meanwhile, great, great win by the Pats. I wanted to see some other aspect of the team besides Brady step up and win it, and the running game really did some serious work today. What a GREAT last drive to seal the deal.

[TheShynessClinic]

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2-3 New York Jets!

edit: well fuck.

Edited by TheShynessClinic, 09 October 2011 - 06:55 PM.

[Kull]

Feels good beating the fucking Jets.

And it feels even better when their defense can't stop the run. The Pats need a lot more of that and a lot less of the cutesie passing shit.

[Reverend]

Listen, I don't want Tebow to be my QB for all the reasons you guys don't (plus we have Brady...duh), but the guy is exciting and he damn near pulled off an unbelievable comeback today. Like it or not, it's possible the Tim Tebow era in Denver has actually begun.

Meanwhile, great, great win by the Pats. I wanted to see some other aspect of the team besides Brady step up and win it, and the running game really did some serious work today. What a GREAT last drive to seal the deal.

Why does the Tebow stuff bother you then?

Edited by Reverend, 09 October 2011 - 06:39 PM.

[RedOctober3829]

Mike'd Up should be good tonight with both NY teams sucking today.

[ivanvamp]

A few lovely stats...

1st downs: NE 26, NY 14
rush yds: NE 152, NY 97
time of possession: NE 33:55, NY 26:05
total yds: NE 446, NY 255

In other words, except for a fluke INT and a great kickoff return by the Jets, this game is a complete blowout. Yet even with those things, the Pats outplay the Jets handily. Very, very nice win.

[LogansDad]

Ladies and Gentlemen, you're 2-3 New York Jets!

I am not!

[ilol@u]

Who was that guy who bet the farm on Ocho getting 3+ receptions?

[Reverend]

A few lovely stats...

1st downs: NE 26, NY 14
rush yds: NE 152, NY 97
time of possession: NE 33:55, NY 26:05
total yds: NE 446, NY 255

In other words, except for a fluke INT and a great kickoff return by the Jets, this game is a complete blowout. Yet even with those things, the Pats outplay the Jets handily. Very, very nice win.

I've spent much of the afternoon wondering why this was lost on the game thread.

Well, not that much...

[ivanvamp]

Why does the Tebow stuff bother you then?

Not sure what you mean. I kind of like him and root for him (obviously not when they end up playing NE). I understand the criticism of him from a football standpoint (his mechanics, inaccurate arm, etc.), but it seems to me the guy, while unorthodox in his style, seems to end up doing pretty well, when all is said and done.

So I don't know what you mean by "the Tebow stuff" - if by that you mean peoples' criticism, I don't have a problem with it generally speaking, because I agree with much of it. But I guess I do think he has a chance to be a competitive NFL QB even if the way he gets the job done isn't the way most NFL QBs do. And I think much of the criticism is really a backlash against him being openly religious. That kind of criticism I find to be pretty lame, but that's just me I guess.

[SoxScout]

Vince's press conference clothes are always... memorable.

[ivanvamp]

I've spent much of the afternoon wondering why this was lost on the game thread.

Well, not that much...

Should I have posted that somewhere else?

[Reverend]

Should I have posted that somewhere else?

I was agreeing with you.

Football is a game of bounces and the game was losable but not close to the shitstorm the thread acted like it was.

[RedOctober3829]

Did Ochocinco have any impact on the game today? What the hell is his role on this team?

[Reverend]

Not sure what you mean. I kind of like him and root for him (obviously not when they end up playing NE). I understand the criticism of him from a football standpoint (his mechanics, inaccurate arm, etc.), but it seems to me the guy, while unorthodox in his style, seems to end up doing pretty well, when all is said and done.

So I don't know what you mean by "the Tebow stuff" - if by that you mean peoples' criticism, I don't have a problem with it generally speaking, because I agree with much of it. But I guess I do think he has a chance to be a competitive NFL QB even if the way he gets the job done isn't the way most NFL QBs do. And I think much of the criticism is really a backlash against him being openly religious. That kind of criticism I find to be pretty lame, but that's just me I guess.

We all occupy this forum over time and read each other.

This is not...

Honest.

[ivanvamp]

I was agreeing with you.

Football is a game of bounces and the game was losable but not close to the shitstorm the thread acted like it was.

Ok. Yeah, I agree with you here. I think the Pats outplayed NY much of the game and, if not for a couple of big (and in one case, really UN-lucky) plays, this game would have been over long before it was.

[ivanvamp]

We all occupy this forum over time and read each other.

This is not...

Honest.

Tell me what I should have said then.

Edit: Go to this thread (http://sonsofsamhorn...tebow-insanity/) and tell me if anything I've said here is inconsistent with what I said in that thread.

Edited by ivanvamp, 09 October 2011 - 06:54 PM.

[smokin joe wood]

Did Ochocinco have any impact on the game today? What the hell is his role on this team?

He's the third WR on the depth chart. A position that hasn't given the Patriots very good production in the passing game in four years.

[Mystic Merlin]

I haven't looked at the numbers too extensively yet, but I thought the defense played its best game of the season. They had 6 stops, I think. They certainly are not good, but I was encouraged by it.

[Reverend]

Tell me what I should have said then.

Dunno. Depends how you feel.

The notion that you don't have some kind of issue with the Tebow thing is not believable and either you are being disingenuous or are not being honest with yourself.

It doesn't really matter--except that you keep interjecting into it and saying you're not, which is sorta weird.

[ivanvamp]

Dunno. Depends how you feel.

The notion that you don't have some kind of issue with the Tebow thing is not believable and either you are being disingenuous or are not being honest with yourself.

It doesn't really matter--except that you keep interjecting into it and saying you're not, which is sorta weird.

I told you: I kind of like Tebow and, while I agree with the technical criticism of him (mechanics, etc.), I think he has a chance to be a productive QB. I do think the religious stuff that people use against him is lame. I dunno, maybe that bothers me some, I guess.

I just edited my other post but you may have missed it so I'll type it again here...

Go to this thread (http://sonsofsamhorn...tebow-insanity/) and tell me if anything I've said here is inconsistent with what I said in that thread.

[Turrable]

I haven't looked at the numbers too extensively yet, but I thought the defense played its best game of the season. They had 6 stops, I think. They certainly are not good, but I was encouraged by it.

Pretty sure it was 7 or 8. They looked awesome on those drives, the other 3 were shitshows. Come to think of it, were there any drives where they gave up a first down but not a touchdown?

[Reverend]

I told you: I kind of like Tebow and, while I agree with the technical criticism of him (mechanics, etc.), I think he has a chance to be a productive QB. I do think the religious stuff that people use against him is lame. I dunno, maybe that bothers me some, I guess.

I just edited my other post but you may have missed it so I'll type it again here...

Go to this thread (http://sonsofsamhorn...tebow-insanity/) and tell me if anything I've said here is inconsistent with what I said in that thread.

I don't think anyone would ever accuse you of being inconsistent, for what it's worth--that's not really the point.

Link didn't work. No worries. Good win.

Be good.

[RedOctober3829]

He's the third WR on the depth chart. A position that hasn't given the Patriots very good production in the passing game in four years.

He was supposed to be a vast upgrade of that position.

[ivanvamp]

Pretty sure it was 7 or 8. They looked awesome on those drives, the other 3 were shitshows. Come to think of it, were there any drives where they gave up a first down but not a touchdown?

Just the last one. The Jets' drive chart:

3 plays, 8 yds, punt
3 plays, 9 yds, punt
3 plays, 8 yds, punt
3 plays, 9 yds, punt
13 plays, 78 yds, td
3 plays, 20 yds, td
3 plays, 8 yds, punt
3 plays, 3 yds, punt
3 plays, 0 yds, punt
11 plays, 85 yds, td
5 plays, 23 yds, end of game

So 7 3-and-out drives, two long td drives, one short td drive aided by a long kickoff return, and then a prevent defense drive that didn't really accomplish much for NY.

That is, overall, a very solid day by the defense. Held NY to 3-11 on 3rd down conversions. A few big plays, but pretty good job overall.

[ivanvamp]

I don't think anyone would ever accuse you of being inconsistent, for what it's worth--that's not really the point.

Link didn't work. No worries. Good win.

Be good.

Yeah, ok, no biggie. You know where I stand on Tebow and wish him well.

That said, great win by the Pats...hope to see more of that on both sides: Pats wins and Jets losses.

[Royal Reader]

I told you: I kind of like Tebow and, while I agree with the technical criticism of him (mechanics, etc.), I think he has a chance to be a productive QB. I do think the religious stuff that people use against him is lame. I dunno, maybe that bothers me some, I guess.

It's not that people dislike him because he's religious. It's that people dislike the attempt to make the leap from 'Good guy, lives his life well, has sincere faith' to 'Deserves to play QB in the NFL' when the two things are completely unrelated. In other words, that his off-field popularity seems to be more important than his on-field achievements. I mean, he went 4/10 today.

[Turrable]

Just the last one. The Jets' drive chart:

3 plays, 8 yds, punt
3 plays, 9 yds, punt
3 plays, 8 yds, punt
3 plays, 9 yds, punt
13 plays, 78 yds, td
3 plays, 20 yds, td
3 plays, 8 yds, punt
3 plays, 3 yds, punt
3 plays, 0 yds, punt
11 plays, 85 yds, td
5 plays, 23 yds, end of game

So 7 3-and-out drives, two long td drives, one short td drive aided by a long kickoff return, and then a prevent defense drive that didn't really accomplish much for NY.

That is, overall, a very solid day by the defense. Held NY to 3-11 on 3rd down conversions. A few big plays, but pretty good job overall.

Thanks. This is odd, to say the least. When the D was good, they were outstanding, and when they were bad, they were truly awful.

[PaulinMyrBch]

Ocho had back to back catches to extend a scoring (?) drive to my recollection...and Brady threw a pass behind him earlier in the game...he's not on the field much at this point...but the fact that he's not chirping is a good sign..

[Mystic Merlin]

Also, more often than not, when they run two TE sets, Branch and Welker are going to be out there, and with good reason.

[EdRalphRomero]

Anybody else notice it seemed like Brady just took off at the end of the game with no handshakes or anything?

[Manzivino]

He was supposed to be a vast upgrade of that position.

He gets on the field and can run more than one route, that is a vast upgrade over Brandon Tate. He had 2 catches (and I can't remember him being targeted outside of those 2), including a big 3rd down conversion, on the drive before half that should have started the rout if Hernandez caught a ball that hit him in the hands.

3rd WR is the 5th or 6th receiving option in this offense (Welker, Hernandez, Gronk, Branch, whichever RB is coming out of the backfield). He didn't cost a lot of assets, just a late round draft pick the next 2 seasons, that's peanuts to pay for insurance so that if Welker or Branch get hurt we have an actual NFL WR to take their place instead of a sprinter with bad hands. And he's signed cheap for two more seasons. Of the things that concern me about this team, Ochocinco isn't near the top of the list.

[cshea]

One of the big things I took out of this game was that final drive. It seems in the past few years, they've had a hard time sticking the nail in the coffin in close games. Today, they ran it right down the Jets throat to ice the game. They shoved the Jets off the line and did not let them get the football back with a chance to win.

[ObstructedView]

Did Ochocinco have any impact on the game today? What the hell is his role on this team?

Is this supposed to be sarcastic? He didn't put up huge numbers, but kept a drive going with an excellent sideline catch and another nice catch of a ball thrown behind him. It kills me that people lauded him for coming here knowing he wasn't going to be -- and didn't NEED to be -- the feature WR, and then criticize him for not being a go-to guy. This is a well-balanced team that only has so many touches to go around, especially when the run is working or when Welker is remotely open. Even with the few misktakes he's made, I consider having him as the 3rd WR a nice luxury.

Apologies if that was saracasm.

Edited by ObstructedView, 09 October 2011 - 07:16 PM.

[LMontro]

Glad the stupid mistakes didn't come back to haunt them. Good W.


It boggles my mind that in 3+ years , or however long it has been, Pats haven't found anyone to bump Guyton to the bench. Hate watching him and he seems very passive at times.

[ivanvamp]

It's not that people dislike him because he's religious. It's that people dislike the attempt to make the leap from 'Good guy, lives his life well, has sincere faith' to 'Deserves to play QB in the NFL' when the two things are completely unrelated. In other words, that his off-field popularity seems to be more important than his on-field achievements. I mean, he went 4/10 today.

Well, if you read peoples' comments, it's pretty clear that *some* folks dislike him because he's religious. You can't fail to miss that, I should think. But I agree...just because he appears to be a good guy doesn't mean he should be starting in the NFL. Certainly not.

But there's more than one way to skin a cat. Let's be clear: Tebow isn't Vick or Randall Cunningham, though all three guys ran (or still run) well. None, at certain points in their career at least, were particularly accurate. And yet they produce.

Look at sample years from Vick and Cunningham:
Vick (2004): 11-4 record, 56.4%, 2313 yds, 14 td, 12 int, 78.1 rating, 902 rush yds, 3 td
Cunningham (1989): 11-5 record, 54.5%, 3400 yds, 21 td, 15 int, 75.5 rating, 621 rush yds, 4 td

It's possible to run an offense in the NFL without being a great passer. You can contribute by running the ball well yourself, completing timely passes (even if it's not for a high percentage), and running the team well. Vick in 2004 did that. Cunningham in 1989 did that. It's possible that Tebow possesses some of the same qualities. He doesn't have Vick's speed, obviously, but he's a great runner with the ball and is tough as nails. And, though I know this isn't something that SoSH types don't like because it isn't measurable, but apparently when he's out there (from what I've read), he does inspire his teammates. I don't know what that's worth, but it can't be a bad thing. They seem to rally around him.

Vick and Cunningham have been successful NFL QB even when they couldn't throw the ball very well. Is it possible for Tebow to follow a similar path? I think so, yes.

[cshea]

One comment on Ocho:

His 2 catches came back-to-back in the 2:00 drill to end the half. The one promising thing I took from it was that Brady audibled on one of them to a quick slant, and Ocho made the play to pick up a first down. Nothing earth shattering, but an improvement. Some form of recognition of the defense and what Brady wanted him to do.

[ivanvamp]

One comment on Ocho:

His 2 catches came back-to-back in the 2:00 drill to end the half. The one promising thing I took from it was that Brady audibled on one of them to a quick slant, and Ocho made the play to pick up a first down. Nothing earth shattering, but an improvement. Some form of recognition of the defense and what Brady wanted him to do.

I'm just grateful that Ocho has stuck with it, has kept his head in it, has worked hard, and hasn't popped off like some prima donna that thinks he should be getting the ball more.