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[Brianish]

John "Gothmog" Lackey.

[Red PR]

Firing Francona is not good, this will not play out good at all for a long time...

[InsideTheParker]

Firing Francona is not good, this will not play out good at all for a long time...

I am too gullible, but at least for now accept everyone's explanation that Francona was not able to control the players, and was himself as concerned about it as the front office. And he wasn't fired, just not renewed.
What is most interesting is who these players are, how long it's been going on, and why Francona couldn't control them; also, did he call for support from the management, and fail to get it?
As for firing, I'd like to see the 3rd base coach, pitching and batting coaches gone, and the medical staff replaced. I don't really know what role, if any, De Marlo Hale played in the clubhouse management. He might need to go also, although he was the best 3rd base coach I've ever seen on the Sox.

[antiyanqui]

I am too gullible, but at least for now accept everyone's explanation that Francona was not able to control the players, and was himself as concerned about it as the front office. And he wasn't fired, just not renewed.
What is most interesting is who these players are, how long it's been going on, and why Francona couldn't control them; also, did he call for support from the management, and fail to get it?
As for firing, I'd like to see the 3rd base coach, pitching and batting coaches gone, and the medical staff replaced. I don't really know what role, if any, De Marlo Hale played in the clubhouse management. He might need to go also, although he was the best 3rd base coach I've ever seen on the Sox.

[antiyanqui]

I am too gullible, but at least for now accept everyone's explanation that Francona was not able to control the players, and was himself as concerned about it as the front office. And he wasn't fired, just not renewed.
What is most interesting is who these players are, how long it's been going on, and why Francona couldn't control them; also, did he call for support from the management, and fail to get it?
As for firing, I'd like to see the 3rd base coach, pitching and batting coaches gone, and the medical staff replaced. I don't really know what role, if any, De Marlo Hale played in the clubhouse management. He might need to go also, although he was the best 3rd base coach I've ever seen on the Sox.

Around Two weeks ago I came here as Casil. Someone banned me because I said Tito was not a good manager because of how he was handling Aceves, the bullpen in general and baseball strategy. Someone replied that I would not get sympathy in here and even I was called a troll when I predicted (and yes I failed) that when getting to the postseason we will be 3 and out as in 2009. Geez some of you are quite intolerant and believe you know everything, it´s sad to see that some of you act like some of our players.

[DaubachmanTurnerOD]

Love the avatar change.

I believe it was changes, plural. An evolution from the old standard to a bloodied, but still proud face for game 162 (and possibly before), to what he has up now.

I mention it not to be pedantic, but because I thought it was a clever and subtle barometer that deserves a nod.

[InsideTheParker]

Around Two weeks ago I came here as Casil. Someone banned me because I said Tito was not a good manager because of how he was handling Aceves, the bullpen in general and baseball strategy. Someone replied that I would not get sympathy in here and even I was called a troll when I predicted (and yes I failed) that when getting to the postseason we will be 3 and out as in 2009. Geez some of you are quite intolerant and believe you know everything, it´s sad to see that some of you act like some of our players.

This was a reply to MY post? Huh.

[topps148]

I generally try to keep my posts on the light side in the game threads. Single word expletive posts don't do much for me, nor does 'xxx really sucks.' But now the season is well and truly over, and there's no rush to get something posted before the next fielding fiasco.

Since the Curt Flood ruling, and to some extent even before, the 'rooting for the laundry' meme has applied. At no time have I ever liked everyone wearing the laundry, but some years have been better than others. This year has been one of the others. In simplest terms, I found it easier to root for Wiktor and Adrian of the Snakes than Hot (or not) Carl and Adrian of the First Sack, but there were others that I found less than lovable. David seems to be less engaging, perhaps less engaged, than previously. Kevin seems not to have met a called strike that he could accept gracefully. The Lester Face has supplanted the Derek Lowe Face. Even Timmeh, who has been one of my favorite pitchers for almost twenty years, seems to feel a sense of entitlement as he pursues Red Sox history.

Entitlement, finally, seems like the word that best describes why I found this year's team less root-worthy than almost any other in my experience. I'm sufficiently isolated from the mainstream media that I never saw the "We're All In" video, so I'm only guessing that it is emblematic of what I've found unlovable.

And now Tito's history. Frankly, I think this is a good thing, not because of any shortcomings he may have had, but because it should make further changes more easily accepted.

I've often posted music, and it seems as if this time shouldn't be different. In 1963 I won a 45rpm record from a local radio station. I have no idea what the contest was--perhaps something as simple as "Be the fourth caller". It turns out that the song has been covered many times since, but I think his was the original recording. Maybe it means something that I can't find the original mix, but this is the one I'm going to post. In particular, what I feel begins at the 1:30 mark.

See you next spring, friends.

[SemperFidelisSox]

[Sprowl]

Love the avatar change.

I believe it was changes, plural. An evolution from the old standard to a bloodied, but still proud face for game 162 (and possibly before), to what he has up now.

I mention it not to be pedantic, but because I thought it was a clever and subtle barometer that deserves a nod.

Next up:



Boromir does death scenes like the Red Sox do recriminations: long, drawn-out and melodramatic.

Around Two weeks ago I came here as Casil. Someone banned me because I said Tito was not a good manager because of how he was handling Aceves, the bullpen in general and baseball strategy. Someone replied that I would not get sympathy in here and even I was called a troll when I predicted (and yes I failed) that when getting to the postseason we will be 3 and out as in 2009. Geez some of you are quite intolerant and believe you know everything, it´s sad to see that some of you act like some of our players.

You were banned because you were illiterate, incoherent and homophobic. As soon as I muster the strength to swing a scythe, I'll probably sacrifice you all over again.

[antiyanqui]

Next up:



Boromir does death scenes like the Red Sox do recriminations: long, drawn-out and melodramatic.


You were banned because you were illiterate, incoherent and homophobic. As soon as I muster the strength to swing a scythe, I'll probably sacrifice you all over again.

Iliterate -OK sorry Sir English is not my mother language and maybe writing in a game thread were you want to write rapidly is quite difficult for non-native English speakers; I would like you to write in Spanish or French. Some of you criticized me because I wrote without enough commas (the same reason as above), but by the way have you read García Marquez's novels or García Lorca´s poetry?.
Incoherent: If we go by the definition-Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner. Well, that I could take it as an insult but if you give me your e-mail address I could send you my CV so you could read how I publish scientific medical research in some of the most prestigious endocrine journals of your country.
Homophobic- If we go by the definition-being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand. If you believe I have a belief formed beforehand about Francona that´s inaccurate because I watch around 120-130 games since 1987; maybe you are the homophobic because I live in Mexico and that´s not good enough for some unpolished Bostonians.

Edited by antiyanqui, 30 September 2011 - 07:45 PM.

[AimingForYoko]

I'm not gonna lie, rooting for this team is going to be tough as fuck. I'll root for them because they're the Sox but other than that....

I'm even throwing Papi in there, I love the guy/rings and all that but screw him too, because I'm sure he didn't help matters.

And Pedey is now going to lead? What was he doing before?



I hope this ends well, because right now it feels like it won't.


/I'm done venting.

[Kilgore A. Trout]

Homophobic- If we go by the definition-being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand. If you believe I have a belief formed beforehand about Francona that´s inaccurate because I watch around 120-130 games since 1987; maybe you are the homophobic because I live in Mexico and that´s not good enough for some unpolished Bostonians.

Not what Homophobic means. Homophobia is a fear/ hatred of homosexuals. I don't specifically remember anything about your last incarnation and how it came to its grisly end, but I imagine you were probably doing something like calling everyone and their grandma a (SPAM filter) or something like that.
But whatever, I'd be willing to give you a pass if English is not your native language. Not up to me in any way of course. It is up to Sprowl and Abs (who was getting really bloodthirsty there at the end, wasn't he?), and others here.
So I would suggest not picking a fight with him about silly stuff. Outright admitting you'd already been banned less than a month ago wasn't a smart move to begin with.

[Kilgore A. Trout]

Okay, so anyway...
Now that its official, and everyone is pissed, I just have to ask something here.
The team quit. He wasn't happy about the attitude. Pitchers were drinking in the clubhouse. etc. etc. etc.
Now, as much as debates can be had about in game decisions, roster decisions, and the things that get argued about in gamethreads and elsewhere, these attitude and drinking type things- isn't this undebatedly the kind of thing that a manager is supposed to be responsible for? If drinking in the clubhouse was a problem, why in the hell did Francona allow it to happen? If Youk has indeed been on Ellsbury's case and still bitching about Arizona, why in the hell did Francona not take him aside at some point and tell him to shut the fuck up, and if that didn't work, yell at him in front of the team to make his point? He had nothing to do with a cultivated atmosphere of entitlement on this team? All this stuff too, is also 'not Francona's fault'? Really?

[Sprowl]

Iliterate -OK sorry Sir English is not my mother language and maybe writing in a game thread were you want to write rapidly is quite difficult for non-native English speakers; I would like you to write in Spanish or French. Some of you criticized me because I wrote without enough commas (the same reason as above), but by the way have you read García Marquez's novels or García Lorca´s poetry?.
Incoherent: If we go by the definition-Unable to think or express one's thoughts in a clear or orderly manner. Well, that I could take it as an insult but if you give me your e-mail address I could send you my CV so you could read how I publish scientific medical research in some of the most prestigious endocrine journals of your country.
Homophobic- If we go by the definition-being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand. If you believe I have a belief formed beforehand about Francona that´s inaccurate because I watch around 120-130 games since 1987; maybe you are the homophobic because I live in Mexico and that´s not good enough for some unpolished Bostonians.

Some of us can read Spanish, and write it too. You can go back to the short-lived Spanish mojo game threads if you're so inclined. So, for the record, what do you think "culero" means? Because I have a damn good idea.

[antiyanqui]

Culero is a slang word used in Mexico and was first used around the 1980's. It became very popular in soccer games and is chanted in stadiums (culeeeeros) to the opposing team. It became so popular that nowadays it is used in everyday language (no seas culero, which means don't be afraid, don´t be a coward). It doesn´t mean what you thought. Indeed some words in Spanish are bad words in one country and not in others, there are a lot of examples. So culero in Mexico ain´t homophobic not disrespectful to anyone.
If I go to the Spanish game threads I believe I'll be writing almost alone and not reading other opinions.

Some of us can read Spanish, and write it too. You can go back to the short-lived Spanish mojo game threads if you're so inclined. So, for the record, what do you think "culero" means? Because I have a damn good idea.

[Red PR]

Okay, so anyway...
Now that its official, and everyone is pissed, I just have to ask something here.
The team quit. He wasn't happy about the attitude. Pitchers were drinking in the clubhouse. etc. etc. etc.
Now, as much as debates can be had about in game decisions, roster decisions, and the things that get argued about in gamethreads and elsewhere, these attitude and drinking type things- isn't this undebatedly the kind of thing that a manager is supposed to be responsible for? If drinking in the clubhouse was a problem, why in the hell did Francona allow it to happen? If Youk has indeed been on Ellsbury's case and still bitching about Arizona, why in the hell did Francona not take him aside at some point and tell him to shut the fuck up, and if that didn't work, yell at him in front of the team to make his point? He had nothing to do with a cultivated atmosphere of entitlement on this team? All this stuff too, is also 'not Francona's fault'? Really?

In part yes it is Tito's fault. Lackey had such a balance of suckiness (off field issues, age, conditioning what have you) yet feisty attitude and clubhouse acceptance that kept Tito at bay. And that grew into what we have now. Nobody had the balls to stand up to him and we are paying the price big time. Tito leaving is very bad even more now, that I feel he wanted to stay. I don't care about non nation fans but level of hatred with this team of non fans has grown and rightfully so. MFY come out as "good guys" compared to this shit debacle. never would I thought this could play out like this now,

[Kilgore A. Trout]

In part yes it is Tito's fault. Lackey had such a balance of suckiness (off field issues, age, conditioning what have you) yet feisty attitude and clubhouse acceptance that kept Tito at bay. And that grew into what we have now. Nobody had the balls to stand up to him and we are paying the price big time. Tito leaving is very bad even more now, that I feel he wanted to stay. I don't care about non nation fans but level of hatred with this team of non fans has grown and rightfully so. MFY come out as "good guys" compared to this shit debacle. never would I thought this could play out like this now,

I don't scour the internet for everything Red Sox 24/7, but I haven't seen anything that says that Lackey was the cause of any of these problems. Apart from the pitcher's clique thing, but even in that he's just one of three or four. Is there something somewhere I've missed that points the finger at him?
He's had a bad time here. That and his demonstrations on the mound don't endear him to the fanbase. And while his off field life is even further in the shitter than his on the field performance is, that doesn't mean he's the clubhouse problem. He could be the model teammate for all any of us know. Just because we all hate him because of how badly he's played for Boston doesn't mean he's responsible for everything bad in Fenway other than his starts. That's too easy and based on nothing. Again, I have not seen a single thing that makes this Lackey's fault too, or directly claims he had a part in it at all.
And even if in fact he was the problem, why wouldn't Francona stand up to him, or call him out, or do anything? Again, that has to be his job, and if he didn't do anything about it and it festered then that is a massive failure on Francona's part, and punches a huge hole into what we all thought was his major strength as a manager. And if he can't 'manage the egos' on his team, then I don't know what his strong suit was.

[Sprowl]

Culero is a slang word used in Mexico and was first used around the 1980's. It became very popular in soccer games and is chanted in stadiums (culeeeeros) to the opposing team. It became so popular that nowadays it is used in everyday language (no seas culero, which means don't be afraid, don´t be a coward). It doesn´t mean what you thought. Indeed some words in Spanish are bad words in one country and not in others, there are a lot of examples. So culero in Mexico ain´t homophobic not disrespectful to anyone.
If I go to the Spanish game threads I believe I'll be writing almost alone and not reading other opinions.

That reading of culero is disingenuous because it does not acknowledge where the term comes from. The root word is culo -- vulgar for ass -- and culero is used to mean ass-fucker in Spain. Its literal meaning is homophobic. Urban Dictionary acknowledges a range of definitions, including at least 4 that are explicitly homophobic.

You think that audience chants to an opposing soccer team are not disrespectful? The most charitable reading of culero is that it means just "asshole." I am having difficulty imagining a context in which calling someone an asshole can be construed as not disrespectful.

Reading your post is like listening to somebody claim that "oh, that's so gay" as a pejorative is not homophobic because he is referring to something that is divorced from sexuality, and besides he has lots of gay friends; or that calling somebody a f*gg*t isn't homophobic because he doesn't mean that the person he insults is actually gay -- just that he is so loathsome and despicable that he's as bad as if he were gay. That doesn't pass the laugh test.

Let's go to the videotape, sports fans.

OK I get it we should be euphorical because after a week of playing shit we went over Morrow and the Jays, and yes I believe bunting is an important part of the game and in close games could get you a win, as hit and runs eliminate doubleplays and not leaving Wakefield longer than he should (since 10 years ago we know he breaks when approximating 100 pitches)as in the last game. I'll see what all of you will say when we go 3 and out as it happened the last time we made it to the post-season. Give Lowrie at bats against Verlander and don´t bunt or hit and run against him and wait for the 3 run homer as Zimmer did in 78 (ah well I remember he sent Lynn bunting on the Saturday game of the Boston massacre, I believe a 7-0 L, because he had been criticized all season for not bunting).
Viva Francona culeros

This is what got you sacrificed: run-on gibberish, ignorance of baseball odds and strategy, and tossing out insults that in many contexts are unmistakably gay-baiting. Now you're telling me that that's not disrespectful to anyone. Yeah right.

[Remagellan]

Love the avatar change.

Agree, although given the current circumstances, I think Sprowl should have chosen an image of Ned Stark at Baelor awaiting his unjust fate.

[Jnai]

[mikepnq]

Culero is a slang word used in Mexico and was first used around the 1980's. It became very popular in soccer games and is chanted in stadiums (culeeeeros) to the opposing team. It became so popular that nowadays it is used in everyday language (no seas culero, which means don't be afraid, don´t be a coward). It doesn´t mean what you thought. Indeed some words in Spanish are bad words in one country and not in others, there are a lot of examples. So culero in Mexico ain´t homophobic not disrespectful to anyone.
If I go to the Spanish game threads I believe I'll be writing almost alone and not reading other opinions.

Sprowl already dealt with the ridiculous etymological farce here, so I'll leave it alone, but I would suggest you quit while you're ahead. Barring that, I nominate you for the scythe when the red sox are doing the simulated game part of their next interview. Babip hungers, even during simulations.

[BucketOBalls]

Now we get rumors Theo's leaving?

Nice to see the wreckage keeps getting larger.

[Foulkey Reese]

I am 100% sure that the Yankees are going to win the World Series to cap this all off.

Edited by Foulkey Reese, 01 October 2011 - 11:44 PM.

[abty]

I am 100% sure that the Yankees are going to win the World Series to cap this all off.

CC Sabathia will toss it to Tiexiera to clinch his no hitter. Yankees win 3-0 on horse faces homer. Daily News Headline: "Halladay Lackey What It Takes To Beat Champion Yankees". Welcome to hell, folks. Next stop, citi field.

Edited by abty, 02 October 2011 - 07:24 AM.

[Brianish]

I actually have a sneaking suspicion it's the Rays' year. They seem like the team that got hot at the right time.

[Red PR]

I am 100% sure that the Yankees are going to win the World Series to cap this all off.

Who hexed this team?? wtf is goin on?? all of this is surreal, yet the fckin wkeels are in motion.

I wake up every morning and cant believe Tito is not w us anymore.

Karma is a bitch is nothing compared to what is going on w this team now,

and yes Rays seem to be the hottest team...I don't mind them winning it all

Edited by Red PR, 02 October 2011 - 08:35 AM.

[abty]

Who hexed this team?? wtf is goin on?? all of this is surreal, yet the fckin wkeels are in motion.

I wake up every morning and cant believe Tito is not w us anymore.

Karma is a bitch is nothing compared to what is going on w this team now,

and yes Rays seem to be the hottest team...I don't mind them winning it all

For a while I figured it would be their year but I am not sold on Price/Shields as big game pitchers. I also don't recall them manhandling the Yankees when the Yankees put their best foot forward. Since the Tigers are done for the year we'd have to hope the Rays find a way to beat them 2-3 times in NYS and I don't see that happening.

[doubleg]

I am 100% sure that the Yankees are going to win the World Series to cap this all off.

Couldn't agree more, they already caught a huge fucking break with that rainout, now having to face Verlander once should the series go five.


It still amazes me they won the division with a rotation of CC, Nava, duct tape, twine, bubble gum and crazy glue.


Fucking unreal.

[abty]

Couldn't agree more, they already caught a huge fucking break with that rainout, now having to face Verlander once should the series go five.


It still amazes me they won the division with a rotation of CC, Nava, duct tape, twine, bubble gum and crazy glue.


Fucking unreal.

Bubble gum and crazy glue had HEART and guts - add the power and pride and you have an unstoppable force. If you knew anything about baseball I wouldn't have to explain this to you!

[Kilgore A. Trout]

I actually have a sneaking suspicion it's the Rays' year. They seem like the team that got hot at the right time.

If the MFY and their one pitcher worth a damn get past the Tigers, then the Rangers, and then the Phillies or Brewers, then there would be definite proof that there is a God and he hates the Red Sox.

[doubleg]

Bubble gum and crazy glue had HEART and guts - add the power and pride and you have an unstoppable force. If you knew anything about baseball I wouldn't have to explain this to you!

What sort of pride?


Pride in your work, pride in your profession or that half assed bullshit load of horseshit known as YANKEE PRIDE.



Which one are you referring to?



How did all of that fucking pride work out for the Yankees today?



Not too good.



Best of luck vs Verlander tomorrow, maybe YANKEE PRIDE will carry them through, right?

[doubleg]

If the MFY and their one pitcher worth a damn get past the Tigers, then the Rangers, and then the Phillies or Brewers, then there would be definite proof that there is a God and he hates the Red Sox.

Don't forget about pride.

[LynnRice75]

I felt the collapse coming for a month.
The final night of the season was stunning yet somehow felt predestined.
The fallout with Theo, Tito, and the entitled players has kept Sox news in the forefront.
When I view the year - the lack of pitching - the odd plays - It makes sense logically - that we missed the playoffs...
But emotionally - there is a void - a sadness that I feel every time I flip on a post season game and we are not there.
I am 45 years old. I have had my share of sans-Sox playoffs - but this one - despite all that has happened - or perhaps becuase of it - feels particularly empty.

[abty]

Just making sure everybody understood that, when my post started with 'Bubble gum and crazy glue had HEART and guts', I was just trying to get a laugh and that the rest of the post was also a joke.

[Al Zarilla]

The Patriots win in the Black Hole was a pretty decent beginning of a catharsis for me. Movin' on. Another thing that keeps going through my mind is that teams that are constructed to get to the playoffs most every year are going to get run over by an 18 wheeler once in a while (Yankees in '04, Braves this year other cases). Bad teams essentially never have the chance to come up with an epic collapse. Maybe my own boo-boo bandaid but it helps.

[Harry Hooper]

I actually have a sneaking suspicion it's the Rays' year. They seem like the team that got hot at the right time.

Hot? The Rays were I think 17-10 in September with the Yanks cruising through the last series. Not exactly .700+ ball, but the Red Sox were putrid.

[judyb]

Just making sure everybody understood that, when my post started with 'Bubble gum and crazy glue had HEART and guts', I was just trying to get a laugh and that the rest of the post was also a joke.

Depressed people are a terrible audience for humor.

[Brianish]

Hot? The Rays were I think 17-10 in September with the Yanks cruising through the last series. Not exactly .700+ ball, but the Red Sox were putrid.

I never said anything about September. I was referring to the final couple of weeks.

[Worst Trade Evah]

So I had this weird dream that the Sox blew this huge lead in September. Gave me goose-bumps! I know it can't really happen though.

Anyway, I've been having trouble finding Red Sox games. Has there been a change in the NESN broadcast schedule?

[mikeot]

I felt the collapse coming for a month.
The final night of the season was stunning yet somehow felt predestined.
The fallout with Theo, Tito, and the entitled players has kept Sox news in the forefront.
When I view the year - the lack of pitching - the odd plays - It makes sense logically - that we missed the playoffs...
But emotionally - there is a void - a sadness that I feel every time I flip on a post season game and we are not there.

I recall '03 and being unable to even speak of it for days afterwards ... that ached.

Maybe its because of all that's happened since (enjoying not one but two WS championships with my father, who was fearing he wouldn't see one in his lifetime), that how this season ended is irritating more than devastating.

This time around it's just disappointment, given the level of expectations going in, at the now-revealed level of dysfunction in the clubhouse and within the ownership (John Henry's silence is deafening).

Still, I want to hope that some sort of humbling and reckoning will come about by spring that will bode well for our chances next season.

Edited by mikeot, 04 October 2011 - 10:28 AM.

[LynnRice75]

I recall '03 and being unable to even speak of it for days afterwards ... that ached.

Maybe its because of all that's happened since (enjoying not one but two WS championships with my father, who was fearing he wouldn't see one in his lifetime), that how this season ended is irritating more than devastating.

This time around it's just disappointment, given the level of expectations going in, at the now-revealed level of dysfunction in the clubhouse and within the ownership (John Henry's silence is deafening).

Still, I want to hope that some sort of humbling and reckoning will come about by spring that will bode well for our chances next season.

I agree with you about 03. Could not sleep for days... wanted to punch Yankee fans at work ... not a good thing since I taught 8th grade at the time and those Yankee fans were in most cases students.

It is not so much an ache this time around - but I can't help but look at the TV and say, "That should be the Sox in the ALDS."

Well, the Rays are done and if the Yanks follow later tonight... it will certainly make things easier... though I will then start thinking... "That should be the Sox in the ALCS."

[gatorgurl67]

So glad Henry broke his silence. I feel a lot better now.
John_W_Henry John W. Henry
Thanks to all of the well-wishers. I'm fine. But it makes one appreciate health. Rushing downstairs is dangerous for an old guy.
There's more:

John_W_Henry John W. Henry
Another productive day this week at Fenway. Tom, Larry and I were briefed by Theo and Ben on the managerial search. Due diligence this week.

Edited by gatorgurl67, 04 October 2011 - 07:17 PM.

[Pearl Wilson]

So glad Henry broke his silence. I feel a lot better now.
John_W_Henry John W. Henry
Thanks to all of the well-wishers. I'm fine. But it makes one appreciate health. Rushing downstairs is dangerous for an old guy.
There's more:

John_W_Henry John W. Henry
Another productive day this week at Fenway. Tom, Larry and I were briefed by Theo and Ben on the managerial search. Due diligence this week.

He evidently hated Tito. Who knew?

[octoberaroma]

I actually have a sneaking suspicion it's the Rays' year. They seem like the team that got hot at the right time.

GONG!

[Brianish]

Yeah that didn't last long.

[Red PR]

All I want for Xmas is a Motown win tonight. Then the wreckage will be salvaged for me. Thanks

[barclay]

I was shaking in my boots, and it happened before X-mas, but your wish has been granted.

It was my wish too. Thank God.

Yanks losing = a successful season.

By any measure.

[ifmanis5]

LOLRod. That was delicious.

[LynnRice75]

Rays out. Yanks Out. Phillies Out.
The wreckage was bigger than expected.
Lots of people crawling out..
I don't feel nearly as bad as I did last week.

See what all that beer drinking can lead to?

Edited by LynnRice75, 07 October 2011 - 11:33 PM.