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[SidelineCameras]

I don't think there's enough there for a suspension but boy, seeing LaPierre's stupid grin after the hit really got me riled up. He reminds me of this punk.

[BucketOBalls]

I'm curious to see if anything comes of the LaPierre/Burrows incident from Sunday night. I didn't see it, but as I understand it, LaPierre lined up the Senators' Jesse Winchester for a hit into the boards... except, he didn't go into the boards, he went through the door (which swung open) and landed at the feet of Burrows. There seems to be some belief out there that Burrows either opened or unlatched the door so they could line up a hit like that and take a Senator out of the play. I'm not sure if there's video to support this, but it seems like the sort of skeevy thing I'd associate with those two

The only evidence I can see of that is...don't guys usually follow through more when hitting a guy into the boards? If the door being unlatched was a surprise, you would expect LaPierre to fall over also. Could be the new rules actually working though.

[Lose Remerswaal]

[Spaulding Smails]

Hmm.....at the :34 second mark it looks like Burrows is standing right at the door ready to open it when the check comes, in my eyes he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[PBDWake]

Hmm.....at the :34 second mark it looks like Burrows is standing right at the door ready to open it when the check comes, in my eyes he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I think I'm incredibly biased on this one, because I absolutely believe that he did something there, but if it were someone else entirely sitting there, I wouldn't think a thing of it. But after seeing that video, even considering that, unless there's more video from a different angle, I don't think that you can level a punishment.

[Spaulding Smails]

Yeah not suspension worthy but I think he knew what he is doing, what a puke.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Yeah not suspension worthy but I think he knew what he is doing, what a puke.

You know, I hate Burrows too, but seeing his immediate reaction I think it really was a simple accident. He looked stunned to me.

[Blacken]

You know, I hate Burrows too, but seeing his immediate reaction I think it really was a simple accident. He looked stunned to me.

Implicit in this statement is the assumption that Burrows has any other looks.

[MoGator71]

I was wondering how you guys would react to a Cooke-Burrows fight, who you'd want to win, etc...but then I reconsidered, since the fight would most likely look a lot like this:

[The Four Peters]

No way, Cooke would absolutely destroy Burrows. I have no love for Cooke obviously but he did step up to Thornton (basically under orders from Bylsma) and fought 2 years ago. Not saying that as a credit to him at all, but there's no way in hell Burrows does that.

Completely unrelated but that point made me think of it, Bylsma is freaking awesome. As soon as Thornton hit the ice in that game, he sent Cooke out, basically telling him to go fight and get this over with. It's not often a coach will send his players out to get their ass kicked, but he recognized both that he deserved it and that his team needed it to happen, so he forced the issue. That's just a small data point, but watching 24/7 last year completely confirmed my view of him, and then his mustache for this year's Movember pretty much cemented him as my favorite coach in the NHL (non-Claude division).

[PBDWake]

I was wondering how you guys would react to a Cooke-Burrows fight, who you'd want to win, etc...but then I reconsidered, since the fight would most likely look a lot like this:

Giant Shark beneath the ice eats them both. Or better yet, Giant Sharktopus.

[ypioca]

3 games for Pacioretty. (Warning: NSFW, as it may cause an erection)

http://video.nhl.com...id=60&id=138334


EDIT: I'm worthless at embedding

Edited by ypioca, 29 November 2011 - 12:10 AM.

[MiracleOfO2704]

I almost want to post the French-language version, which is the debut of Shanabanner Stephane Quintal as a member of the Department of Player Safety. Making sure that every Canadiens fan gets the message that Pacioretty's a scumbag is such a beautiful thing.

[PedroSpecialK]

I almost want to post the French-language version, which is the debut of Shanabanner Stephane Quintal as a member of the Department of Player Safety. Making sure that every Canadiens fan gets the message that Pacioretty's a scumbag is such a beautiful thing.

I can't believe it exists, I am enthralled.

link

I did raw linebreak and it didn't work, Québec has broken the internet.

Edited by PedroSpecialK, 29 November 2011 - 11:49 AM.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Waiting for the Montreal police to launch a full investigation any day now.

[Spaulding Smails]

Waiting for the Montreal police to launch a full investigation any day now.

They should, clearly their time is well spent on investigating hockey checks as opposed to investigating brawls occuring in the stands.

[Monbo Jumbo]

Tootoo suspended two games.

Shanahan vid here.

[PedroSpecialK]

Marc Fistric Baned for three games

Click me

[daenra]

Porter gets 4 games for his knee-to-knee on David Booth.

Video Here.

[AMcGhie]

Andy Sutton has been suspended indefitely after his hit on Ponikarovsky. He's got a face-to-face upcoming. He's already been suspended 5 games this year for his hit on Landeskog. This is going to be a statement case for Shannahan about repeat-offenses in a season and how much he's going to punish that.

[PedroSpecialK]

It was one of the stupidest hits I've ever seen. He has a chance to line Ponikarovsky up with a legal shoulder-to-chest check, and he can easily just glide into Poni and still wallop him like Phaneuf did to Sauer.

Instead, he jumps with his shoulder hitting Ponikarovsky's head. This is the exact kind of hit that is avoidable without deterring physicality - should be at least 10 games IMO.

edit: here's the hit

Edited by PedroSpecialK, 10 December 2011 - 04:16 PM.

[SoxScout]

8 games and Shanahan mentioned twice in his video that no injury was taken into account.

Is it just me or is taking into account if a player is hurt or not the stupidest fucking thing ever?

[Greg29fan]

Andy Sutton is at least as bad as Matt Cooke has ever been in the illegal and dirty hit column. He needs to get a 15-20 game suspension at some point like Cooke did to finally get the message, and it should have happened here.

Edited by Greg29fan, 10 December 2011 - 09:43 PM.

[PedroSpecialK]

Is it just me or is taking into account if a player is hurt or not the stupidest fucking thing ever?

It is.

I'm with Greg, Sutton should have gotten 10-15 games considering he essentially told Shanahan publicly to fuck off (saying he wasn't going to change his game) after his last suspension. He is much dirtier than New Cooke, but regardless, the way Cooke is playing now doesn't atone for a decade's worth of knee and head hunting.

[MoGator71]

8 games and Shanahan mentioned twice in his video that no injury was taken into account.

Is it just me or is taking into account if a player is hurt or not the stupidest fucking thing ever?

It's very stupid. But everybody hollered for it...all we ever heard were TV heads and fans saying stuff like "player X should sit out as many games as player Y lost to injury" etc etc. So they cater to that and ding guys based partly on how bad the result was...to me, dirty is dirty whether the hittee gets hurt or not.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Any chance Darth Quader gets a 2 gamer from Shanny?

[Lose Remerswaal]

3 reasons why he might not:

1) He and Foligno are friends, so the "it was an accident" argument carries some weight
2) Foligno was back on the ice in a few minutes, so there's no "eye for an eye"
3) Clean history. 5 minute major and Game misconduct that had effect for a full period when the game was still a battle already counts as penalty.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

It certainly wasn't an accident, he got caught up and out of position and stuck his knee out to stop Foligno from rushing up the ice. That's a dangerous move that could blow out a knee.

[FelixMantilla]

4. Foligno clearly faked the severity of the hit, something Bruins players reminded him of through the rest of the game.

EDIT: I'm fine with whatever Shanahan determines, it was a potentially very dangerous play by McQuaid.

Edited by FelixMantilla, 15 December 2011 - 10:28 AM.

[The Napkin]

It certainly wasn't an accident, he got caught up and out of position and stuck his knee out to stop Foligno from rushing up the ice. That's a dangerous move that could blow out a knee.

We were talking about this last night. Is it possible it was accidental and still on purpose? Hear me out.

I have no doubt that he made a move to stick out the knee. But I also don't think the kneeing was intentional. To me it looked like it was just a reflex type thing that happened in the blink of an eye in the flow of the play. While it was definitely dangerous and I'm okay with the 5 + game I can see a scenario where Shanny says, "I know you didn't mean to do what you did, it just happened. So here's your free pass. Don't let it happen again." Esp since Foligno was not so much injured.
I'm not going to put up too much of a fuss if he gets a game or 2 though. Except for the whole "repeat offender" tag he'll get if something happens again.

[kenneycb]

I'm fine with two or three games. It was a reactionary play and McQuaid didn't realize how far away from his body Foligno was so instead of the principal point of contact being the body, it was the knee. Going in his favor is that this certainly wasn't premeditated and he was only pinching in at the blue line instead of skating full speed or anything like that. Porter got 4 for his hit on Booth, though that hit put Booth out 4-6 weeks IIRC (stupid way to base judgment but that's a whole different topic) so I expect at least 2, wouldn't be heartbroken with 3. It's a very dangerous hit and there should be some punishment coming his way.

[cshea]

We were talking about this last night. Is it possible it was accidental and still on purpose? Hear me out.

I have no doubt that he made a move to stick out the knee. But I also don't think the kneeing was intentional. To me it looked like it was just a reflex type thing that happened in the blink of an eye in the flow of the play. While it was definitely dangerous and I'm okay with the 5 + game I can see a scenario where Shanny says, "I know you didn't mean to do what you did, it just happened. So here's your free pass. Don't let it happen again." Esp since Foligno was not so much injured.
I'm not going to put up too much of a fuss if he gets a game or 2 though. Except for the whole "repeat offender" tag he'll get if something happens again.

Milbury said the exact same thing last night on Versus. He said that every defensemen has been caught in that "oh shit" spot where they're out of position and the forward is about to blow by them. The natural reaction is to impede the player any way you can, usually by sticking the leg out. Milbury's opinion was that while there's no malicious intent, that is simply a play you cannot make, and McQuaid should be suspended.

They dodged a bullet with Foligno not being seriously injured, but I do agree with Milbury and would support a 2 game Shannaban here.

[Myt1]

Despite lack of intent, and instinctual reaction, it's a reckless play that could have led to serious injury. Given that there was no intent, no injury, and that McQuaid is not a repeat offender, I could see 1-2 games to send a message, with perhaps another added to send the message that Bruins can be suspended, too while the main goal of player discipline is to prevent injuries, luck in avoiding injury does not entirely mitigate the need to punish dangerous behavior.

[The Napkin]

Milbury said the exact same thing last night on Versus.

I'm not sure how I should feel about that...

puck daddy (with video)
I'm saying two games. McQuaid will see one fewer game because Foligno didn't suffer the sprained MCL that Booth did, and he'll see another shaved off because he didn't hang his knee for quite as long as Porter.
That's a major factor: In the Porter suspension video, Shanahan made it clear that "the distance the player travels with his knee outstretched" matters. While McQuaid commits as blatant a knee as you're going to see, he certainly doesn't come clear across the neutral zone with it jutting out as Porter did. It's a lot easier to see this as a reflex.
Still, reflexive as it it, it can't go unpunished, especially after Shanahan chose to send a message with the Porter hit. If he chooses not to discipline in this instance, that message will be wasted. I suspect he's aware of this.

[MiracleOfO2704]

No link, but NHL Home Ice radio saying no meeting, let alone suspension, because there was no intent to injure.

[The Napkin]

Hmm. He's walking a very fine line. Esp with not bothering to at least have a meeting.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

I'm surprised too. Dangerous play whether there was intent to injure or not.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Good to know Soupy's suspension-thwarting mojo persists even through injury!

[PedroSpecialK]

That's ridiculous. You can't stick your knee out with a forward blowing by you and have the only consequence be on the ice.

Kind of disappointed in Shanahan right now.

[Dropkick Izzy]

Wow, I didn't expect that.

Cue the shreiking from the rest of the league and, north of the border in particular, about a Bruins bias ... again.

[cshea]

This may call for a trip over to HF. Of course, that's if it didn't meltdown.

Anyway, intent or not, you can't do that. Should've been, at a minimum, a talk with Shanny, a fine and a "next time, 3 games" warning.

[jsinger121]

HackswithHaggs

Being told Adam McQuaid wont face additional discipline. NHL player safety dept felt play was "reaction" rather than "attempt to injure"

[AimingForYoko]

Crap. Let the conspiracy theories flow.

I'm only worried because this might lead to some complete overreaction in the future with Shanny trying to show that there's no Bruins bias.

[Frank McBain]

Beyond fans complaining, Is there a sense that this perception of Bruins favoritism actually carries over with players around the league? And, moreover, do incidents like this going by unpunished put Bruins players in danger of retaliation and cheap shots in the future? I know everyone kind of scoffed at Lindy Ruff's "open season on goalies" comment when Lucic "got away" with the Miller collision, but in the weeks that followed there were a number of seemingly intentional hits on goalies, so I think it's a legitimate point that disciplinary inaction sends a message and there are real repercussions. Thankfully, in that regard the Bruins have gone above and beyond to make a point of defending Thomas and Rask themselves on the ice.

In any case, I agree McQuaid deserved 1-2 games regardless of intention, and hopefully this isn't helping "tough and physical" morph into "dirty", also in light of Marchand's slew foot, etc.

[Spaulding Smails]

Joe Thornton made some comments alluding to that last year:

It's just something with Boston," Thornton told the Globe and Mail. "It just seems like they have a horseshoe. We've seen the [Milan] Lucic cross-check to the head [of Maxim Lapierre] earlier, and there's no disciplinary thing.

It's just something about Boston and the disciplinary [process] is on their side. I'm not sure why that is. I'm not assuming that Colin [Campbell]'s kid is on the team and that's why, but it's really bizarre.

Edit: I'm really shocked there wasn't even a meeting, kneeing and slewfooting should always be at least looked at for supplementary discipline.

Edited by Spaulding Smails, 15 December 2011 - 03:05 PM.

[kenneycb]

A good reporter would've asked Joe about Perron.

Regardless, don't agree with Shanny's decision at all. Should've been something at least. A very stupid, very dangerous, very reckless play.

[AimingForYoko]

Maybe Shanny got pissed that Foligno tried his damndest to sell it. (ala probably Ward's sucker punch)


Oh and fuck off Jumbo Joe.

[FelixMantilla]

It seems Shanahan is making a distinction between plays he feels are intentional and those he feels are "natural reaction" penalties. With the former he has no trouble disciplining a player, but with the latter maybe he feels the game penalties (5 minutes and a game misconduct) are enough.

Still, I would hate to see this come back and bite the Bruins in the ass late in the season.

[MoGator71]

Can't believe McQuaid didn't get suspended. If he's drawing the line at intent then most of these suspensions shouldn't be suspensions. Knee-on-knee is always a reaction play (unless it's Ulf Samuelsson or Darius Kasparaitis, guys like that), you're beat and you stick your leg/knee out. I've done it...it's a reckless play, and he probably should have sat a game or 2.

Sounds to me like they're placing a bit too much weight on intent and whether or not the play results in an injury.

[NickEsasky]

Surprised here as well. Clearly there was no intent but it was still a dangerous play. Figured 1 or 2 games would be fair.