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[PedroSpecialK]

What is the delay on implementing softer padding and getting rid of the hard seamless glass? Those seem like such minor tweaks that could have a huge impact on reducing injuries, concussions included.

[Spaulding Smails]

PSK I'm pretty sure the NHL already did away with the seamless glass after last year, there are only 3 barns in the AHL that still use it entirely around the whole rink including here in Worcester. Other teams just have it around the side boards with the stanchions on the end boards. That shit is awful I can't imagine getting my head plastered into that stuff.

Edited by Spaulding Smails, 13 March 2012 - 12:02 PM.

[Nuf Ced]

I didn't think it was a terrible hit by any means, but if Boychuk does that to Geno you just know it's 5 and a game, with a hearing to boot. IMO that's what's pissing people off more than anything.

After getting highsticked in the face with no call, Tyler Myers made a similar hit on Scott Gomez last night, and got a 5 minute major. He's been summoned by Shanahan today. It's the NHL Wheel of Justice all over again. He deserved the boarding major, but I think Gomez was embellishing his reaction for a call. (The Montreal players are skilled at stuff like that.)

Edited by Nuf Ced, 13 March 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[PedroSpecialK]

PSK I'm pretty sure the NHL already did away with the seamless glass after last year, there are only 3 barns in the AHL that still use it entirely around the whole rink including here in Worcester. Other teams just have it around the side boards with the stanchions on the end boards. That shit is awful I can't imagine getting my head plastered into that stuff.

Ah right you are. It would be pretty cool for rollerderby though.

Edited by PedroSpecialK, 13 March 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[cshea]

FWIW, Lebrun tweeted that the GM's rejected putting the red line back in.

Hybrid icing may be in, however.

Edit: McKenzie says the NHL is going to ask the AHL to give a "ringette" rule a try next year. Apparently, there would be a line at the top of the defensive zone circles, and you can't make a two line pass from behind that line. I don't know about this.

Edited by cshea, 13 March 2012 - 12:09 PM.

[Jed Zeppelin]

My problem with the random decisions on when to call someone in for a chat is that, whether the player deserves it or not, the meeting goes on his "permanent record" and becomes an aggravating circumstance in future decisions about the player.

[TheRealness]

FWIW, Lebrun tweeted that the GM's rejected putting the red line back in.

Hybrid icing may be in, however.

Edit: McKenzie says the NHL is going to ask the AHL to give a "ringette" rule a try next year. Apparently, there would be a line at the top of the defensive zone circles, and you can't make a two line pass from behind that line. I don't know about this.

Excellent on the red line.

And the NHL should adopt the International (and college) icing rule. I always felt the need to "touch up" the icing was superfluous. Just adopt the no-touch and move on. No need to fuck it up with hybrid rules.

I have no fucking clue how the "ringettes" would work, other than it sounds circus-y.

[PedroSpecialK]

Ringettes would be terrible. Just keep the red line out and maybe don't allow two line passes from behind your own goal line if they're so hellbent on keeping that regulation in the game.

And I agree, don't give the refs that leeway - just whistle down icings. Even if it is a pass, it's a two-to-three line pass if it connects.

[cshea]

Ringettes is essentially just putting the red line back in, without actually saying it. Basically, you have to be above your defensive zone circles to attempt a 2 line pass. Of course, by the time you move the puck past that point, presumably the other team has backed off and a stretch pass would be useless.

I actually like the hybrid icing vs. the international rule. They use it in Hockey East, and I haven't really seen much of an problem with the linesman messing it up, but I'd like to see that implemented at the AHL level first.

[TheRealness]

Ringettes is essentially just putting the red line back in, without actually saying it. Basically, you have to be above your defensive zone circles to attempt a 2 line pass. Of course, by the time you move the puck past that point, presumably the other team has backed off and a stretch pass would be useless.

I actually like the hybrid icing vs. the international rule. They use it in Hockey East, and I haven't really seen much of an problem with the linesman messing it up, but I'd like to see that implemented at the AHL level first.

The ringettes rule sounds horrific. Even more subjective interpretation for a league that can't handle it. Why do they hate fun exciting hockey? I fucking hate the people running our sport.

As for the hybrid rule, it is also fairly subjective. It's going to be much more difficult to tell who would get there first from the defensive faceoff dots. The "chase" aspect of icing has always been massively overrated. Just incorporate the international rule and be done with it.

[The Napkin]

My problem with the random decisions on when to call someone in for a chat is that, whether the player deserves it or not, the meeting goes on his "permanent record" and becomes an aggravating circumstance in future decisions about the player.

Exactly. Part of the reasoning behind no hearing for Malkin was that he wasn't a repeat offender. Well, he can't be a repeat offender until you have a hearing. And round and round we go.
Why does someone being a repeat offender matter for a hearing? It's a bad hit or it's not. For punishment I can certainly see it being a factor. But not for just having a hearing.

And thank God they rejected the red line. That would have been awful. Let's hope the ringette thingy is as big an abortion as it seems like it's going to be. And get rid of the trapezoid while you're at it.

[kenneycb]

I thought that too but it's worked out pretty well in the bits of Hockey East I've watched. Very few races for the puck actually happen so you could argue to just do the international rule, and I'm probably on that side of the fence as well, but I imagine some of the idea of the hybrid rule is to appease the purists or something like that.

[Greg29fan]

I think the difference in the Malkin hit vs. the Myers hit is that Myers clearly nails Gomez right in the numbers, Malkin kind of got Boychuk at an angle in the back of the shoulder and spun him into the boards. I dunno, I just thought it was a 2 minute penalty and that was all; I can see where you guys are coming from though.

[behindthepen]

The big difference in the Myers hit is intent.

[Spaulding Smails]

I think the Myers hit was much worse because he seemed pissed off after getting high sticked a few seconds before. Pretty dead on shot to the numbers.

[Nuf Ced]

Myers gets 3 games.

Edited by Nuf Ced, 13 March 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[mikeford]

Duncan Keith, come on down.



That needs to be a LENGTHY suspension. That was Matt Cooke-esque.

[Jed Zeppelin]

I was immediately reminded of that hit, which happened almost exactly a year ago.

[PedroSpecialK]

Which hit? This one by Pittsburgh's Masterton Trophy nominee?

[mikeford]

That'd be the one.

I can't friggin believe Keith only got a 2 minute minor for that nonsense.

[Greg29fan]

Sedin came up high on Keith before that - not excusing it but Sedin's hit was also a headshot

[mikeford]

Sedin's hit wasn't even on the same plane of existence in terms of malevolence. Keith's hit was as dirty as possible.

[ForceAtHome]

Sedin's hit was a bit high, but he hit with his shoulder, did not leave his feet, and that gif intentionally makes it look like the puck wasn't there when it had just left. At worst, it was a 2 minute minor. Keith's hit should have been at minimum a 5 minute major and more than the 3 games Shane Doan just received. Chicago has 7 games left, I foresee Keith getting anywhere between 4-7 games.

Speaking of suspensions, how much will Keith and Doan's suspensions influence the playoff races out west? Chicago is still very much in the hunt for the 4 seed and home ice, so this isn't going to help. Phoenix sits in 9th but is within one point of 3rd (via division title) and 7th while just two points ahead of 11th. Doan will miss games against Colorado, San Jose, and St. Louis -- which is not the most fortunate timing for the Coyotes.

Edited by ForceAtHome, 22 March 2012 - 04:55 AM.

[sachmoney]

Sedin's hit was a bit high, but he hit with his shoulder, did not leave his feet, and that gif intentionally makes it look like the puck wasn't there when it had just left. At worst, it was a 2 minute minor. Keith's hit should have been at minimum a 5 minute major and more than the 3 games Shane Doan just received. Chicago has 7 games left, I foresee Keith getting anywhere between 4-7 games.

It won't be more than five games:

Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie When Keith's disciplinary hearing is held, expected to be a phone hearing, so suspension, if levied, cannot exceed five games.

[SoxScout]

Sedin is supposedly out at least 2 weeks...

[ajml]

The Canucks sure are very prompt and forthcoming with their injury reports!

Oh and that's too bad I guess

[ForceAtHome]

It won't be more than five games:

Looks like the NHL is considering more than 5 games. I'm thinking 7 (rest of the regular season).

Nick Kypreos ‏ @RealKyper

Hearing tonite #NHL has in fact decided to ask #Blackhawks D. Keith to waive his right to in person hearing for elbow on #Canucks D. Sedin

Meaning Keith could receive 5 or more games. Also told his #NHL hearing could be pushed back much later then the one scheduled for Fri 2pm.

Its unknown at this point in time whether #Blackhawks Keith who's is susp' indefinitely by #NHL has waived right to in person hearing or not

[cshea]

More incompetence from Shanny. How do you change your mind on the type of hearing within a few hours? I don't think Campbell managed to reach this level of idiocy.

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of a 5+ game suspension for Keith, but the league can't be flip flopping like this. Shows that there is some level of disorganization in that office.

[steveluck7]

More incompetence from Shanny. How do you change your mind on the type of hearing within a few hours? I don't think Campbell managed to reach this level of idiocy.

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of a 5+ game suspension for Keith, but the league can't be flip flopping like this. Shows that there is some level of disorganization in that office.

I think they're once again tying the suspension length to the severity of the injury to the "victim." I know Sedin returned to vancouver for further tests, etc. so I'm sure the exact extent is still unknown. It's a dumb philosophy for a number of reasons, this being one

[j44thor]

Yep Shanny is really crashing and burning after such promise as the Head of Discipline.
He is his own worst enemy in that by explaining in such detail the reason for discipline he unwittingly was setting precedents that he has since all but abandoned and gone back to the dartboard approach.

[The Napkin]

5 games Keith. Shanny's supposed to be on NHL network at 7 to explain.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Has anyone put together a mock disciplinary video yet? We should look into this.

[PedroSpecialK]

So because it's a star Shanahan needs to explain on NHL Network?

Jesus Christ.

[cshea]

Is there any doubt the reason for the miscommunication in regards to the phone/in person hearing was a result of them already deciding on 5 games? Then they couldn't figure out if 5 meant in person or on the phone since it's right on the line.

[twibnotes]

Was surprised to see no discussion about another illegal hit on a Bruin going unpunished...

http://boston.cbsloc...hit-on-mcquaid/

I've seen far worse hits, but it surprises me that the NHL is not doing more to hold players accountable. If a player charges and is out of control, he should be deemed responsible for what results. McQuaid, who at age 25 already has a history of concussions, will surely miss his share of games. Chimera will play on...

[ForceAtHome]

Was surprised to see no discussion about another illegal hit on a Bruin going unpunished...

http://boston.cbsloc...hit-on-mcquaid/

I've seen far worse hits, but it surprises me that the NHL is not doing more to hold players accountable. If a player charges and is out of control, he should be deemed responsible for what results. McQuaid, who at age 25 already has a history of concussions, will surely miss his share of games. Chimera will play on...

There's no discussion because suspending Chimera for that hit would be ridiculous. It was a charging penalty. I wouldn't have been surprised to see it called a two-minute minor, and it being called a major (and thus a game misconduct) doesn't surprise me either. Anything more than that would be utterly silly.

[cshea]

There's no discussion because suspending Chimera for that hit would be ridiculous. It was a charging penalty. I wouldn't have been surprised to see it called a two-minute minor, and it being called a major (and thus a game misconduct) doesn't surprise me either. Anything more than that would be utterly silly.

Except, right or wrong, a 5 minute major + an injury has led to a discussion with Shanny all year. Now, suddenly, it doesn't.

In a vacuum, I don't really care about the Chimera hit. 5 and a game seemed sufficient. It was a dumb, reckless hit, and McQuaid's pivot probably saved both of them. My complaint is that this is another example of incompetence coming out of that office. No consistency whatsoever in their decision making. They're making the same exact mistakes Campbell made, only they make those videos so it looks nicer.

Edited by cshea, 31 March 2012 - 09:12 AM.

[ForceAtHome]

Except, right or wrong, a 5 minute major + an injury has led to a discussion with Shanny all year. Now, suddenly, it doesn't.

In a vacuum, I don't really care about the Chimera hit. 5 and a game seemed sufficient. It was a dumb, reckless hit, and McQuaid's pivot probably saved both of them. My complaint is that this is another example of incompetence coming out of that office. No consistency whatsoever in their decision making. They're making the same exact mistakes Campbell made, only they make those videos so it looks nicer.

What? If McQuaid doesn't turn towards the boards, this discussion isn't even happening. I'm not even positive they'd have called a minor penalty on the play, although it could have been justified. Chimera did not leave his feet, the principle point of contact was not the head, the elbow was down, and until McQuaid turned at the last second, it was shoulder to shoulder. Yes, Chimera came in with a lot of speed, but it's obvious it wasn't malicious and you can tell that he's even trying to slow down at the end. The idea that this hit is suspension-worthy is laughable to me.

[Wave em in Wendall]

I'll admit a bit of naivety when it comes to the nuances of the rules, but what was the difference between Ference's hit on McDonagh in January and Chimera's hit on McQuaid?

Obviously one was boarding (Ference) and one was charging (Chimera) but they seem like very similar plays to me.

[kenneycb]

I'll admit a bit of naivety when it comes to the nuances of the rules, but what was the difference between Ference's hit on McDonagh in January and Chimera's hit on McQuaid?

Obviously one was boarding (Ference) and one was charging (Chimera) but they seem like very similar plays to me.

With Ference's hit, the Rags player's numbers were showing the entire time and he didn't ease up and pushed him into the boards. McQuaid turned at the last minute and if Chimera had been more in control with his skating (taking less strides, stop moving his feet and gliding into the hot, etc.), he could've eased up on the hit and either avoid it or lessen the impact of the hit.

Edited by kenneycb, 31 March 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[ForceAtHome]

I'll admit a bit of naivety when it comes to the nuances of the rules, but what was the difference between Ference's hit on McDonagh in January and Chimera's hit on McQuaid?

Obviously one was boarding (Ference) and one was charging (Chimera) but they seem like very similar plays to me.

Contrary to popular belief, Chimera and Ference both stop striding at the same place on the ice -- right at the bottom of the faceoff circle. Chimera, of course, is a much faster skater and is coming in with more speed, which IS more reckless. The difference is that Chimera is clearly gunning for a shoulder-to-shoulder contact (you can even see him slowing down in the above frame) that doesn't happen because McQuaid turns when Chimera is already by the goal line. Chimera is justifiably called for a charging. Ference, as you can see, faces McDonagh's back from inside the faceoff circle and there is no sudden movement or change of position that influences where Ference ends up hitting.

[Spaulding Smails]

Honestly I thought Chimera got a pretty raw deal, I saw it as a minor for charging. Reckless yes, but absolutely no intent and Quaider didn't do himself any favors.

Edited by Spaulding Smails, 31 March 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[kenneycb]

I don't necessarily disagree but I can see the justification by the ref in that it prevented any further incidents that could have raised later in the game.

[PedroSpecialK]

Kyle Quincey just jump-elbowed Tomas Kopecky in the head at his own blue line. 5 minute major.

Edited by PedroSpecialK, 01 April 2012 - 05:08 PM.

[The Napkin]

launch+elbow+face-injury=1 game now. Awesome. I guess the "oh my god he's concussed" teams have it right.