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[Kremlin Watcher]

Mack Brown retiring this weekend? I don't buy this at all. And if so, this is by far the biggest opening in years. Please be false

Yah no kidding. Twitter and the Texas boards are exploding right now. Would suck if true. Unless they get - no, I don't really want to think about it.

[canderson]

It's by far bigger than the OSU, USC, Florida, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State openings?

Save for ND and Michigan, easily.

[Sea Dog]

http://www.chron.com...act-2299468.php

I also think if Fedora goes anywhere, it's A&M. Sherman should be fired for such an underachieving season.

Just don't see it with an $8 million buyout. Fedora might pass on schools like KU and stay put for a year to see if that job opens up, though, I can see that scenario.

[WayBackVazquez]

Save for ND and Michigan, easily.

Sorry, but no. Texas is one of the marquee programs in CFB, but it's not the holy grail--at least not for anyone outside of Texas. You guys have won 1 (upset) National Championship in 41 years; 2 Conference Titles in 15, and own an all-time Bowl record just above .500.

In that same 41 years, USC has won 5 National titles. And, well, it's not in Texas.

And relax, I'm (mostly) kidding about Texas.

Edited by WayBackVazquez, 01 December 2011 - 06:26 PM.

[ethangl]

Past championships are obviously a factor in deciding the mythical "biggest job" title, but certainly not the only factor. Miami's won 5 times more National Championships than Michigan in the last 60 years. Is anybody going to argue that Miami is a bigger job than Michigan? No, of course not.

[WayBackVazquez]

Past championships are obviously a factor in deciding the mythical "biggest job" title, but certainly not the only factor. Miami's won 5 times more National Championships than Michigan in the last 60 years.

Sure, but USC and Alabama, and Florida, and Penn State have all the other factors going for them as well. Like I said, it's certainly one of the 5 or 10 marquee programs in the country, but about half of those have been open in the last 5 years, so "by far the biggest opening" in years is just hyperbole.

Is anybody going to argue that Miami is a bigger job than Michigan? No, of course not.

Not me, but this guy did.

Edited by WayBackVazquez, 01 December 2011 - 06:42 PM.

[ethangl]

Sure, but USC and Alabama, and Florida, and Penn State have all the other factors going for them as well. Like I said, it's certainly one of the 5 or 10 marquee programs in the country, but about half of those have been open in the last 5 years, so "by far the biggest opening" in years is just hyperbole.

Hyperbole on the internet, never!

With all those jobs open, though, only Bama and now tOSU have made the kind of hires that back up the "biggest job" talk.

(I think Miami and USC are fairly reasonable comps, actually. Large private schools in talent rich areas that have trouble keeping boosters in line. USC has the history, obviously, but I digress.)

[WayBackVazquez]

With all those jobs open, though, only Bama and now tOSU have made the kind of hires that back up the "biggest job" talk.

I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Charlie Weis was a splashy hire at ND. I don't know if that "backs up the biggest job talk," but UT hired Mack Brown in the first place. Did that back it up? Did Tressel? Or Lloyd Carr? Does the fact that these guys weren't marquee program head coaches beforehand mean that the jobs weren't big at the time they were hired?

Edited by WayBackVazquez, 01 December 2011 - 06:57 PM.

[sachmoney]

So uh Texas A&M:

kbohls kbohls
Texas A&M has decided to fire football Mike Sherman but has not yet notified him, a prominent Aggie source just told me.]

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A&M would owe Mike Sherman between $3M-$5M because he didn't sign his extension contract, the Aggie source says.

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Houston's Kevin Sumlin would emerge as the A&M frontrunner. "He's the favorite of Aggie Nation," the source says.

[ethangl]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Charlie Weis was a splashy hire at ND. I don't know if that "backs up the biggest job talk," but UT hired Mack Brown in the first place. Did that back it up? Did Tressel? Or Lloyd Carr? Does the fact that these guys weren't marquee program head coaches beforehand mean that the jobs weren't big at the time they were hired?

Okay, first, Florida -- I think Florida is the number one job in the country. They had just won a national championship two years prior, and another a little before that, so you have an enormous program practically at its apex -- Miami and FSU have practically been eradicated as football powers -- you very rarely see a program in this position looking to hire a new coach. So, able to hire practically anybody, they hire... a guy with no head coaching experience? None? You may have notice what is happening there now. He is drowning in this job.

(To answer your next question, no, I don't think Will would have ever been the head coach at Texas.)

Comparing this to Texas, well, Texas in 1998 was not anywhere near the Texas that exists now. Texas was (thankfully) at the end of about 14 years of wandering the wilderness. When Mackovic was fired Mack was the #1 guy I wanted, but I didn't think he'd leave UNC -- that should show you were Texas was at the time. Regardless, Mack had built UNC back up from nothing and won like 30 games in his last 3 seasons there -- with occasional appearances in the top 5. To put a Muschamp/Kiffin/Hoke type of hire in his stratosphere is ridiculous.

Weis -- splashy in some sense, but again, no HC experience. There's no reason for programs of this stature to hire somebody (from the pros, no less) who has no experience running a program. I will never understand this one -- does Weis get hired if he hadn't been an alum? Probably not.

Tressel -- won everything at Youngstown, had previously coached at tOSU, didn't have the high media profile like some other guys but certainly was not a questionable hire.

Lloyd Carr -- I dunno, this was a "stay the course and don't get drunk in public" hire.

Edited by ethangl, 01 December 2011 - 07:23 PM.

[WayBackVazquez]

Okay, first, Florida -- I think Florida is the number one job in the country. They had just won a national championship two years prior, and another a little before that, so you have an enormous program practically at its apex -- Miami and FSU have practically been eradicated as football powers -- you very rarely see a program in this position looking to hire a new coach. So, able to hire practically anybody, they hire... a guy with no head coaching experience? None? You may have notice what is happening there now. He is drowning in this job.

Okaaay...so you think that Florida IS the biggest job, but they made a bad hire. I just didn't get what you were trying to say, because when you put it like "back up the 'biggest job' talk," it seemed to me you were implying that these programs were not in reality big jobs.

[ethangl]

Okaaay...so you think that Florida IS the biggest job, but they made a bad hire. I just didn't get what you were trying to say, because when you put it like "back up the 'biggest job' talk," it seemed to me you were implying that these programs were not in reality big jobs.

Not exactly, more that certain programs really ought to be able to hire better if they have a legitimate place in the "biggest job" conversation. And even then it doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you can't take advantage of that status.

Edited by ethangl, 01 December 2011 - 07:57 PM.

[canderson]

Sherman officially fired.

[Infield Infidel]

there are a lot of Skip Holtz to UNC rumors. Charles Robinson from Yahoo mentioned it last week

[jsinger121]

SPORTSbyBROOKS

Just told by source w/ knowledge of the situation that ASU prepared to offer Sumlin $4 million per year.

[WestMassExpat]

This debate is brutally subjective. There's an inner circle of marquee programs and the only difference between desirability for potential coaches are their own biases and afflictions -- e.g. Urban ending up at OSU. I don't think much separates Michigan, Notre Dame, Florida, Texas, USC, LSU, OSU, Alabama.

[WestMassExpat]

ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
I'm told Mack Brown doesn't plan to retire any time soon.

ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
I'm told Mike Sherman - and his $8 million buyout - will be back at Texas A&M next season.

http://twitter.com/#!/ChipBrownOB

This genius was spot on with Sherman...

Edit: I thought the random radio guy from Kansas claiming Brown would retire said this, not Chip Brown... nm

Edited by WestMassExpat, 02 December 2011 - 10:14 AM.

[SouthernBoSox]

Arkansas OC Garrick McGee has accepted the HC position at UAB.

[mabrowndog]

Colorado State fires Steve Fairchild after three straight 3-9 campaigns.

Fresno State fires Pat Hill after 15 seasons, which he finished off in a 40-41 rut.

[jsinger121]

Arkansas State head coach Hugh Freeze will be hired at Ole Miss.

http://espn.go.com/c...ach-report-says

[jsinger121]

Saints WR coach Curtis Johnson takes over at Tulane.

http://espn.go.com/c...ccording-source

[jsinger121]

June Jones to Arizona State.

http://espn.go.com/c...ils-sources-say

[Hambone]

Keep watching that last one. That has gone back and forth 48 hours and while a couple hours ago it was imminent, it appears that the deal is off.

In other news - Hambone has been spotting drinking celebratory beers and thanking the heavens for the large outcry from boosters and ASU season ticket holders that may have prevented this hire and very very much hoping that it doesn't turn again.

[canderson]

Kevin Sumlin looks to actually be A&M's next coach

A little less than a week after Mike Sherman was fired, it appears Texas A&M has found their next head coach.

Sources close to both the Texas A&M and University of Houston programs have told Aggieyell.com that, barring a snag in financial negotiations, UH coach Kevin Sumlin will be the next head coach of the Aggies. An agreement is expected to be finalized by the end of the week.

Was hoping for Strong or Smart ahead of Sumlin. Will only work if he nails the recruiting end of things and brings in SEC level defensive players. Does sound like the current group for 2012 (top five recruiting class) likes him and he might even pull in a couple of Louisiana four star studs.

http://tamu.rivals.c...asp?CID=1304127

[mabrowndog]

June Jones to Arizona State.

http://espn.go.com/c...ils-sources-say

Keep watching that last one. That has gone back and forth 48 hours and while a couple hours ago it was imminent, it appears that the deal is off.

Hambone is correct. The powers-that-be in Tempe look like a bunch of bumbling buffoons here.

ASU pulls deal off table

SMU coach June Jones had accepted an offer to coach Arizona State and minor contract points were being ironed out, a source said, when his representatives today received a call saying the offer had been pulled.

The source said Arizona State's explanation was that "it took too long" and the school president was moving on.

"We had accepted the deal," the source said. "I've never seen anything like this."

One source said negative reaction from fans and boosters to the selection of Jones prompted the reversal. Arizona State has now negotiated with and ended negotiations with two candidates, including Houston's Kevin Sumlin.

[SpokaneSoxFan]

Hambone is correct. The powers-that-be in Tempe look like a bunch of bumbling buffoons here.

ASU pulls deal off table

This uncertainty and buffoonery must have some of the incoming recruiting class just a bit antsy.

[mabrowndog]

North Carolina hires Southern Miss coach Larry Fedora

Memphis hires TCU offensive coordinator Justin Fuente

[Sea Dog]

Well, this came from nowhere: Charlie Weis might be a candidate at Kansas.

[doldmoose34]

all of these openings and Spaz's name is never mentioned WHY I ASK YOU PEOPLE WHY????



because he fucking sucks

[RedOctober3829]

Kansas has hired Charlie Weis as their next head coach. Shocking move to me.

https://twitter.com/#!/KUAthletics/status/144901186951184384

[RedSoxFan]

Kansas has hired Charlie Weis as their next head coach. Shocking move to me.

https://twitter.com/...901186951184384

What a great get (for the Lawrence, KS area Denny's).

[canderson]

Kansas has hired Charlie Weis as their next head coach. Shocking move to me.

https://twitter.com/#!/KUAthletics/status/144901186951184384

He'll fit nicely into Mark Mangino's old coaching shirts.

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Charlie Weis was a splashy hire at ND. I don't know if that "backs up the biggest job talk," but UT hired Mack Brown in the first place. Did that back it up? Did Tressel? Or Lloyd Carr? Does the fact that these guys weren't marquee program head coaches beforehand mean that the jobs weren't big at the time they were hired?

Tressel, when hired, was a ridiculously hot coaching commodity. He owned Northeast Ohio, his father had been the coach at BW for literally decades (and had won a national title there) and he had won 3 1-AA National Championships. He kicked your asses for a reason, he was a great coach.

Also, why did you not mention tOSU in the list of Universities that have won many more National Championships than Michigan in the last 60 years? Are you talking "Michigan" as a state, so you are including Michigan State?

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

Kansas has hired Charlie Weis as their next head coach. Shocking move to me.

https://twitter.com/#!/KUAthletics/status/144901186951184384

Muschamp is saying he learned of this over the radio, Weis had never mentioned that he was looking at this job.

This is really bizarre. Why would Weis have gone from an NFL job to Florida in the first place if he didn't plan on staying through his daughter's education and which one of these two incredible douchebags - Weis or Muschamp - is being an asshole about this?

In all seriousness though, I hope Weis does well at that job. The folks in Kansas are way more into the school's football program than I had ever realized.

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

What a great get (for the Lawrence, KS area Denny's).

Well played.

[RedOctober3829]

Muschamp is saying he learned of this over the radio, Weis had never mentioned that he was looking at this job.

This is really bizarre. Why would Weis have gone from an NFL job to Florida in the first place if he didn't plan on staying through his daughter's education and which one of these two incredible douchebags - Weis or Muschamp - is being an asshole about this?

In all seriousness though, I hope Weis does well at that job. The folks in Kansas are way more into the school's football program than I had ever realized.

He said in the past that a major reason why he went to Florida is to be near his son who was enrolling at Florida. I remember watching an early season UF game and they had a story on him and his son who ended up being a student assistant coach with the Gators.

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

He said in the past that a major reason why he went to Florida is to be near his son who was enrolling at Florida. I remember watching an early season UF game and they had a story on him and his son who ended up being a student assistant coach with the Gators.

Right. And now he is leaving after one year.

[ethangl]

Muschamp is saying he learned of this over the radio, Weis had never mentioned that he was looking at this job.

So Coach Blood got some of his own medicine. That's a shame.

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

So Coach Blood got some of his own medicine. That's a shame.

Well yeah, the two of them are some of the bigger doucheknockers in college football so it is kind of fun to watch, but do you think Muschamp is telling the truth?

[ethangl]

Well yeah, the two of them are some of the bigger doucheknockers in college football so it is kind of fun to watch, but do you think Muschamp is telling the truth?

Sure, I can't see Muschamp gaining anything of any significance by lying about it.

FWIW the rumor was Weis to UT until Muschamp left for Florida. Can't say I was upset that didn't work out.

[RedOctober3829]

Right. And now he is leaving after one year.

Exactly. It's all about the money. Kansas probably came at him with a boatload of cash and he couldn't say no.

[jsinger121]

Toledo head coach Tim Beckman hired to be the new head coach at Illinois.

http://espn.go.com/c...ach-tim-beckman

[Sea Dog]

The Kansas City Star has a good read about how Weis got to Kansas.

Edited by Sea Dog, 10 December 2011 - 01:15 AM.

[Infield Infidel]

Jim Mora to coach UCLA

Man schools are swinging for the fences. This is another one out of nowhere

[WayBackVazquez]

Jim Mora to coach UCLA

Man schools are swinging for the fences. This is another one out of nowhere

Oh, that Jim Mora. I was pretty excited for a minute imagining all the 5-star recruits having him over to say "playoffs" a few times before telling him they're going to the school on the east side.

[jsinger121]

Kevin Sumlin to Texas A&M.

http://espn.go.com/c...lin-source-says

[Dave Stapleton]

The Kansas City Star has a good read about how Weis got to Kansas.

$2.5 million?!?! That's insane.

[canderson]

No new rumors at all really about the PSU job surprises me. Maybe they'll hire Rip Engell's soul.

[Sea Dog]

$2.5 million?!?! That's insane.

It's $2.5 million for Weis (two BCS bowls), $2.3 million for Leach (no BCS bowls) or $1.7 million for Fedora. The moment they bought out Gill for $6 million, money obviously wasn't going to be an issue.

Worth noting: Transferring Notre Dame quarterback Dayne Crist took an official visit to KU today. He was at the Ohio State game with football coaches, and he could be eligible to play next season going the Russell Wilson route. He's looking at Wisconsin, too.

[Domer]

It's $2.5 million for Weis (two BCS bowls), $2.3 million for Leach (no BCS bowls) or $1.7 million for Fedora. The moment they bought out Gill for $6 million, money obviously wasn't going to be an issue.

Worth noting: Transferring Notre Dame quarterback Dayne Crist took an official visit to KU today. He was at the Ohio State game with football coaches, and he could be eligible to play next season going the Russell Wilson route. He's looking at Wisconsin, too.

$2.5 million is still a drastic overpay though. According to USA Today the average FBS coach's salary was $950,000. And I wouldn't get excited about Dayne Crist. He barely beat out unheralded sophomore Tommy Rees in spring practices and never won back his starting job despite Rees's several lackluster performances.