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#1 Reverend


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 05:46 PM

OK, so we're going to start with LT. KFP should be posting a breakdown of the responsibilities, reads and techniques a bit later.

From there, we should have a good foundation to take advantage of different people's differing insights and knowledge in order to:
  • Refine our understanding of the responsibilities
  • Improve our understanding of the techniques
  • Offer observations of what Light (Patriots) and Long (Dolphins) have been good and bad at
  • Understand all these things in terms of plays and how the coaches take advantage of their strengths and hide their weaknesses
And then after the game, compare notes on what we saw.

(And hope the comparative focus of Long v. Light isn't, like, really, really depressing.)

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 05:48 PM

Is that supposed to say "left taco" or "left chicle"?


(sorry, just being "funny"... I'm actually really excited for these clinics...)

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 06:51 PM

Is that supposed to say "left taco" or "left chicle"?


(sorry, just being "funny"... I'm actually really excited for these clinics...)


voted 'left treacle'

sweet!

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 06:55 PM

Would you believe I stared at it for like 2 minutes trying to figure out why it looked wrong?

I also almost put the original Clinic!! Organizational Thread in the Blind Leading the Stupid.

Can you see why I want to learn from others?

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 07:51 PM

New England Patriots @ Miami Dolphins (9/12/11)

Welcome to the first (hopefully of many) "Positional Clinics and Matchup" threads. These threads should provide a nice little breakdown of key matchups that the Patriots will encounter on a week to week basis. There are numerous posters in BBtL that have expansive football comprehension and experience, and this can be a fun way to tap into some of those people's knowledge and learn some really cool things about football.

Each week, we should be able to break different key positions down to a fundamental level and explain some of the finer nuances of those positions. After we walk through some of the finer points of a position, we can expand our focus to the matchup of the week. After putting about two and a half minutes of thoughts into it, this week's focus will be on…

Left Tackle

Commander Shears made a solid point in the Organizational thread that Rev had posted at the end of last week. One of Miami's best players is a LT (Jake Long) and many consider it the most important position on the offensive line. Also, a lot of people have already been focusing on LT for much of the preseason in order to watch Nate Solder, so people should be able to hop right into this conversation and contribute. You can also argue that breaking down a 3-4 DE (Miami) and a 4-3 DE (New England) could be pretty tedious and time consuming. So with all that being said, let's get right down to it!

(Note: Depending on your football IQ, some of this information might just boring for you to read through. Apologies in advance!)

Technique

Before getting into any reads, play designs, or assignments, it probably makes more sense to make sure people understand the basic fundamentals of a left tackle's technique.

Footwork/positioning as a pass blocker—You hear about it all the time, but what is footwork and why is it so important? As a LT, it's their duty to protect the blindside of the quarterback. Sometimes the LT will be squared up with a 320 pound lineman. Sometimes it'll be against a 240 pound linebacker. Other times it could be against a 195 pound blitzing safety. Against each one of these players, footwork is integral in making sure the QB's jersey stays clean.

A LT's job during the pass--in its most basic and simplistic form--is to buy the QB time. That starts with sealing off the inside lane. Letting any player come across your body and dart inside drastically cuts down the time it takes for a defensive end to get from point A (initial stance) to point B (QB). Any person who has played LT (or either tackle for that matter) will tell you that forcing a DE to the outside is one of the first things they learn while playing the position.

When a LT forces his man outside (and it should happen almost every time), footwork becomes vital. If the LT is matched up against a lineman, the LT will be getting pushed back by someone who weighs around 300 pounds. It is physically impossible to simply stand your ground. A LT must be able to carefully backpedal into the proper position (not straight back, he needs to form a pocket for the QB to stand in) while trying to maintain leverage, speed, and positioning on a 300 pound man.

A LT must also be able to shuffle and slide his feet to make sure he stays in front of his man. That job becomes increasingly difficult when trying to slow down a fast outside linebacker or a cornerback/safety that has (near) Olympic speed. The only way a LT can make sure nobody gets around him by simply turning on the jets is with good shuffling/sliding. LT's will never cross their feet while in pass protection. They must shuffle/slide their feet. Crossing your feet leaves you completely unbalanced as a blocker.

balance as a pass blocker—which leads us nicely into balance as a pass blocker. Let's start from the bottom and work our way up. In order for a LT to maintain proper balance, they need to have a good solid base. Their feet should be a little wider then shoulder width apart.

They should be playing "on their toes". If a player plays too much on their heels (easy to do since you're constantly being shoved backwards), they lose their balance and ability to maintain control of the man in front of them. With that being said, they can't be playing too much on their toes. A common technique for youth league coaches is to put their lineman into a 3 point stance, and walk down the line kicking the planted hand out from the grass. If the player falls over, he's unbalanced and putting too much weight forward. If they shove the helmet and the player falls backwards, he's not putting enough weight onto his toes. There needs to be a Zen like balance for LT's because they face the gauntlet when it comes to pass protection.

LT's are told to "put your ass in the seat". In other words, they have to bend their knees and stick their ass out into the proper angles. It's awkward, uncomfortable, and not easy…but it's vital for a LT because when aligned properly, it builds "power angles" and allows the LT to use their entire body (from their calves to their shoulders) while maintaining balance. I heard recently that John Hannah—one of the best lineman to ever play the game—used to show up to preseason practices early, and spend 20-30 minutes simply "getting out of his stance". He'd get onto the field early, get into his three point stance, and spend 30 minutes making his initial "power angles". The positions were so uncomfortable, even to one of the greatest players to ever play the game, that he had to relearn the technique every year. It isn't like riding a bike, and it's not something you can easily pick up.

balance as a run blocker—A little different then balance as a pass blocker. As a pass blocker, a LT is not going up field. He's taking a step back and building a pocket for the QB. When run blocking, the LT is working his way up field and trying to gain ground against the defense.

When learning to block up field, LT's are instructed to run with their chin leading the way. It keeps the LT on his toes, and leads his facemask right into a defenders chest. They can then engage the defender properly and use good leverage to finish his block.

leverage as a run blocker—Leverage as a run blocker differs greatly then leverage as a pass blocker. When blocking against the run, the main purpose for a LT is to gain ground against the defense and push his man up field. The best way to accomplish this is for the LT to put his facemask into the defenders chest/neck, put his hands under the shoulder pads (starts around the nipple) or into the armpits, and drive the player backwards while maintaining proper balance and power angles.

leverage as a pass blocker—Space is a LT best friend. As a pass blocker, the LT wants to keep his power angles and extend/punch his arms into the oncoming defender. If the LT gets a good enough pop into the defender, it should slow them considerably and allow the LT to steer/control his man long enough to allow the QB to comfortably get his pass off. Again, the key here is to create separation and space to work with. If a defender gets inside on a LT, the LT loses all control of his man. The defender can simply bulrush the LT backwards and destroy the pocket, he can "dip and rip" through the LT's inside shoulder, he can spin through the tackles inside/outside shoulder, he can swim through the tackles inside/outside shoulder…in other words, the LT is fucked and has lost control of his man.

Assignments

With all of that out of the way, let's get into some of the more basic "assignments" that a left tackle should be making. Keep in mind when discussing "weak side" and "strong side", whichever side of the offensive line has more personnel on it usually is the strong side.

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Weak side running play assignments —The tackle position can often times be feast or famine during running plays. If a play goes to the right side C gap or outside edge, the LT is far enough away from the play to essentially be nullified.

On these occasions, the LT will step inside quickly with some depth and take a cursory glance to make sure nobody (slanting defensive tackle, blitzing linebacker/safety) is sprinting through the backside B gap. After that, he'll either make his way up to the second level and try to engage either the weakside LB or the middle linebacker, or simply engage the backside defensive end. Usually the play has developed enough at this point where the LT role is essentially over once covering the backside B gap.

If a play goes into the right side A gap, the LT responsibility is to—again—make sure the backside B gap is not being rushed. If the backside B gap is covered, the LT turns his attention onto the weak side defensive end.

Weak side exceptions --If the weak side guard is pulling (quick step behind the line and sprinting to the right side of the line to help block), the LT responsibility becomes the right defensive tackle.

If a play is designed with a fullback, sometimes the fullback can cover the weak side responsibilities (weak side B gap, then weak side defensive end). If a play is designed this way, then the LT immediately crashes to the second line of defense on the snap. Often times it is left up to the discretion of the LT to decide which LB to engage. If he gets to the MLB in time, he will engage him first as he will be closer to the play. If he can't reach the MLB, he will turn his attention to the weak side linebacker.

Strong side running play reads —When the left side of the line is the strong side, it generally means the LT has some help on his outside shoulder (the tight end). This opens up a lot of possibilities for the linemen on the strong side. Unlike weak side blocking assignments, blocking assignments on the strong side vary based on how the defense aligns itself. Telling a LT to "double team the DT" sounds like a good idea, but what happens when the linebackers show blitz or the defensive line shifts to the strong side and now the DT is lined up in a 4-technique (head up with the LT)? The LT needs to be able to think on his feet and make sure the play doesn't get blown up.

For example, often times the Center and strong side guard will double team the strong side nose guard on plays into the A gap. If the defensive alignment still allows the center/guard double team, then the LT will

A.)Double team the defensive end with the TE

B.) Block the defensive end on his own while the TE crashes to the second level

C.)Chip the defensive end and move onto the second level

Tackles will only do C if they're confident the TE has control. Runs into the strong side A gap develop quickly, so if the TE can steer the DE outside, the LT is free to go up field. Tackles tend to spend more time at the second level than any other lineman. (For what it's worth, guards tend to pull more than any other lineman.)

If there's a run into the A gap and the defense sets itself so there can be no C/G double team, usually the center will have line assignments and pass them out while assessing the defensive front. This doesn't always happen. Sometimes the scheme called in the huddle will work. Sometimes there is cohesion on a unit and orders don't need to be barked out. But if there's an unexpected shift on the line, the center will act accordingly. For example…

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(Strong side is the right side in this photo, but the same premise applies.) Against the 4-3 over, the center would need to seal the strong side A gap from the NT. That means the strong side tackle will either...

A.) Double the DT (most likely)

B.) Crash to the second level and meet a LB

C.)Double the DE

If there is a fullback in this formation, he will lead the way through the A gap and pick up the first LB into the gap. If the formation were a 4-3 under...The C/G could would double team the NT, and it would leave the strong side tackle to either solo block the DE (if the TE goes to the second level) or crash to the second level.

As you can tell, there are numerous options for every play to the strong side. Protection to the strong side is different based on the play (is there a fullback? Did you bring an extra lineman to one side of the line?) and the defensive formation. There's no real value in going over each gap assignment against certain formations and defensive line alignments, but it is important to emphasize that blocking technique for LT's vary wildly from snap to snap.

Pass blocking assignment—Pass blocking assignments are similarly tricky for LT's. But to be overly simplistic…in standard formations, it is a LT duty to seal the pocket and make sure the RDE or ROLB (usually the best pass rushers on the team) does not disrupt the QB. If the defense shows blitz, the offensive line will communicate and shift blocking assignments along the line. Often times this will leave the LT either protecting the B gap from a blitzing linebacker or maintaining his block on the RDE/ROLB. All of this is dependent on other variables (is a RB staying in to block, is a TE staying in to block, what are the WR sight adjustments, etc.)

Player Composition

I know there are people in this forum who can analyze film and technique with the best of them. I'll gladly defer to the more knowledgeable on those film breakdowns and player compositions. I'm writing this just to get the ball rolling as I assume many of you can break down players' tendencies and technique just as well or better than I can.

Matt Light, Patriots—Matt Light has been a consistently above average tackle on this team for the past decade. Unfortunately, age is slowly eroding away Light's ability to keep up with the faster defensive ends and ROLB. His first step was never the fastest, but he no longer has the strength to be able to ride some of the better DE/ROLB out of the play with the left side of his body. He can definitely be beaten with speed, but he's smart under the blitz, knows all the assignments, and still can make all the routine plays.

Jake Long, Dolphins—Long is big (6'7, 310), strong, and has a nasty streak. He's one of the best players on the Dolphins, and one of the best LT in football to boot. The Dolphins feel completely comfortable leaving Long on an island because they know he can handle it. "He allowed only 4 sacks last year. Two in the 4th quarter of a blowout against the Panthers, a Rob Ninkovich, and a sack to Jared Allen on a blown play by Vernon Carey." Source Suffice to say, Long's pretty good.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 05 September 2011 - 08:23 PM.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 09:05 PM

Don't overthink the Tackle position. His job is almost always to block the individual closest to left hand. FTR, Matt Light used to be unreal at this and is now, at least, very good.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 10:47 PM

I also think Light is among the best in the league when it comes to screens. I honestly cannot remember him - on a screen - ever blowing a block, taking a bad angle on a defender, or pegging the 'wrong' defender (for the purposes of the angle/depth of the screen being attempted). And I can probably count on one hand the number of times he has been called for an ineligible receiver downfield penalty (i.e., prematurely getting out ahead of the play).

Obviously executing screens are only a small part of playing the tackle position, but it has been a staple play in the Belichick era, particularly because they've had the likes of Faulk and Woodhead in the backfield. I think consistently executing a screen is one of the more difficult plays in offensive football from a timing perspective - defenses are so fast and smart in the NFL that there's the tendency to get out ahead of the play, seeking contact above remaining patient and faithful to the play design. Aside from having superior athleticism, tremendous balance, and quick feet, Light almost always stays within the structure of the play. It looks a lot easier than it is when done correctly, largely because it requires an element of surprise or pegging of the defensive playcall, and near-perfect timing and coordination. I feel as if this is why successful screens, which can seem effortless, often bring calls for more of them, when in fact the screen is less proactive than reactive and can't really be used in the absence of certain conditions (namely over-aggressive linemen, or shitty tacklers at DB, etc.).

I'd be interested to hear from others on this point - my impressions of the utility and importance of the screen may be off, as may be my evaluation of Light. I feel a little like Dan Dierdorf here.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:22 PM

Nothing substantial to add here, but I am really looking forward to more of these.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:30 PM

Don't overthink the Tackle position. His job is almost always to block the individual closest to left hand. FTR, Matt Light used to be unreal at this and is now, at least, very good.

While I'm not sure that I'd bust out the term 'unreal', he's been no worse than good and predominantly a damn good tackle from day one, and one of the more underrated athletes around here for just as long.

Random aside, I've always felt that he's been criminally unappreciated in his contributions to screens. He gets his big butt out in front of wide receivers, and in front of backs (when we actually ran them with backs) about as well as any tackle can. He's been a significant contributor to an important part of this offense without a whole lot of recognition. Not the biggest or most powerful tackle around, but a quick and athletic one.

Edited by Commander Shears, 05 September 2011 - 11:30 PM.


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Posted 06 September 2011 - 02:39 AM

Against the 4-3 over, the center would need to seal the strong side A gap from the NT.

Great stuff, KFP. One question - and not nitpicking, just making sure I'm understanding this fully - in your 4-3 over figure, the NT is lined up across the WEAK side A gap. Is that correct? Sorry if I'm missing something blatantly obvious.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:00 AM

Great stuff, KFP. One question - and not nitpicking, just making sure I'm understanding this fully - in your 4-3 over figure, the NT is lined up across the WEAK side A gap. Is that correct? Sorry if I'm missing something blatantly obvious.


Yep, you're absolutely right.

Here's the thing though. In that diagram, the NT will initially shoot the weak side A gap. When the center seals the strong side A gap, what I'm really implying is that he simply allows the NT to get initial penetration into the weak side A gap and then try to turn the NT shoulders. Ideally, the center wants to have his own right shoulder up field and the NT pinned to his left in the weak side A gap. Now the center has sealed his side of the strong side A gap.

So yes, you're right. The NT is lined up on the weak side, but in order for the center to "seal the strong side" he needs to make sure his man is out of the equation. (In this case, it's much easier then if the man was lined up head to head with the C).

Don't overthink the Tackle position. His job is almost always to block the individual closest to left hand. FTR, Matt Light used to be unreal at this and is now, at least, very good.


You're absolutely right, and I can't believe I didn't say that in my initial post. The majority of the time the LT will be blocking the RDE or ROLB. When watching a LT, you'll notice that he spends most of his time dealing with whoever is on his left hand.

Still, depending on the formation and scheme you'll see the tackles getting up field to block much more often (relatively speaking) then any other lineman. Hell, I think some posters here (and television broadcaster) had commented on how well Solder was getting up field and the destruction he was wreaking on some linebackers in the preseason.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 06 September 2011 - 05:10 AM.


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Posted 06 September 2011 - 05:44 AM

I think that Light has also been somewhat under-appreciated as a run blocker over the years. To my relatively uneducated eye (I haven't played since high school), he can be fairly explosive coming off the snap, engaging the DE quickly and usually getting good movement.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:09 PM

As far as the Week one matchup is concerned, Jake Long is one of the best in the business due to his sheer size and strength, but also, to his surprisingly quick feet and balance. When he came out of Michigan, scouts doubted whether or not he could stick at LT in the NFL because he didn't seem like he could matchup with the Freeny's of the world. He's shown that he's more than capable of handling whatever comes his way.

Not only did Long only allow 4 sacks last year, he did so on a knee that he injured in the last game of the preseason, which required offseason surgery, and a shoulder that was in a harness for the second half of the year.

Long excels in pass blocking because he's able to move his feet extremely well and keep his man engaged, and most people think of protecting the quarterback's blind side, but where he really shines is in run blocking. He's able to dominate and power defenders out of the way, and he's also athletic enough to get out into the second level.

If he has a weakness, it would be against a speed rusher. He's strong enough to fend off nearly any bull rush, but, especially coming off knee surgery and his mobility still being a possible concern, he MAY have an issue with the finesse guys. It has yet to be seen because he missed most of the preseason

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 01:38 PM

Also, kudos to KFP and Rev. If this is going to be a recurring thread for all the positions, we should all be better football fans for it.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 02:19 PM

One thing that's always interesting to watch is how frequently the Pats helps the LT.

Historically the Pats don't give all that much help to Light; they're usually quite willing to have him go one on one against the Suggs and Freeneys of the world knowing he'll usually hold his own if he doesn't zero them out of the game. (This approach, unfortunately, didn't work well in the playoffs against the Ravens).

If they're letting Light go solo against Wake then you can tell they're still quite confident in him.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 10:32 AM

First, really phenomenal idea and thanks so much for dropping knowledge KFP. I'm going to be relaying your insights to family and friends all season I can already tell. Really exciting to see BBTL evolving like this - kudos to mods and participants here.

One interesting thing from the Patriots' perspective is that the running game responsibilities of LT might be less vanilla than on other teams, mostly because of who plays at LG. I was thinking back on the Top 100 video for Mankins (he was #39) narrated by Belichick of all people. These things are usually fluff, but towards the end there's one comment that stood out:

"He's a very good puller, and on a lot of plays he winds up pulling and leading the runner through the hole. A lot of times Logan's at the point of attack in the running game regardless of where the play is called."
-Bill Belichick.

Worth noting, I think. The LT winds up sealing the void left by the LG on most runs to the right side, and probably has responsibilities that shade outside in pass protection rather than inside due to the presence of Mankins.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 10:56 AM

One thing that's always interesting to watch is how frequently the Pats helps the LT.

Historically the Pats don't give all that much help to Light; they're usually quite willing to have him go one on one against the Suggs and Freeneys of the world knowing he'll usually hold his own if he doesn't zero them out of the game. (This approach, unfortunately, didn't work well in the playoffs against the Ravens).

If they're letting Light go solo against Wake then you can tell they're still quite confident in him.


While Long is going to be a great example of what a franchise LT should look and play like, I'm more interested in watching the Light/Wake matchup. Cameron Wake had 14.5 sacks in just his 2nd NFL season last year and is one of the more explosive edge rushers in the game. While the Pats have typically left Light on his own in the past, it's going to be important to watch how he handles the speed and quickness that Wake brings. As Light ages, it will be interesting to see how he handles some of the more athletic pass rushers in the NFL and he should be tested right away.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 10:58 AM

That's a really good thought, and a pretty cool video as well.

While we're here, look at at the 2:20 mark because it illustrates a perfect run into the B gap between LT and LG. Out of the shotgun, the DE is expecting to apply pressure on the QB. Notice how Matt Light doesn't engage the DE right at the snap? If he engages the DE, the DE knows its a run and will adjust accordingly. Because he played it like a pass (this isn't a "delay" play in the traditional sense, but Light treats it as such) the DE takes his normal route to the outside and Light let the DE seal himself out of the play. A lot of times you can let a player run themselves out of position, and that's exactly what Matt Light did here.

If you stop the video at 2:22, you can also see the perfect shaped hole in the B gap.

When the center seals the strong side A gap, what I'm really implying is that he simply allows the NT to get initial penetration into the weak side A gap and then try to turn the NT shoulders. Ideally, the center wants to have his own right shoulder up field and the NT pinned to his left in the weak side A gap. Now the center has sealed his side of the strong side A gap.


At 2:22, both Mankins and Light illustrate this beautifully. Mankins allows inital penetration into the A gap and then "turns the shoulders". Mankins left shoulder is up field. Light allowed penetration to his outside shoulder and then engaged his man. Notice Light's right shoulder facing up field? Both Mankins and Light have succesfully "sealed the gap" and created a big enough lane for Kevin Faulk (or, hell, anyone on these boards) to run through.

Really cool video Rag, thank you!

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 03:56 PM

Don't overthink the Tackle position. His job is almost always to block the individual closest to left hand. FTR, Matt Light used to be unreal at this and is now, at least, very good.


I was going to make a joke about the concern of too much thinking going on in the forum, but then rethought it given some of the over thinking that has, in fact, occurred at times...

That said, I have a couple of quesitons for anyone who can speak to a couple points of confusion I had with the "exceptions." (I kind of like the way that was expressed here--a friend of mine who is a maniac medievalist and may become a Jesuit describes his approach to leaning rules and systems as learning through the exceptions. The idea is that through the exceptions you get a greater understanding of the whole concept and how it's supposed to work rather than its more simplistic formal expression. A lot of law is learned this way as well, such as the exceptions to the exclusionary rule, for example.)

Anyway... I just reread the part I didn't understand to find the part to quote and understand it this time. So, um, nevermind.

Looking at some of the nuances that have been brought up since, though, I think have been pretty cool in terms of how the LT can use the different types of assignments he has to offer "false" signals to be read; that fake pass block on a run thing is awesome--maybe obvious in its way, but it was only obvious once pointed out.


One thing that's always interesting to watch is how frequently the Pats helps the LT . . . If they're letting Light go solo against Wake then you can tell they're still quite confident in him.

While the Pats have typically left Light on his own in the past, it's going to be important to watch how he handles the speed and quickness that Wake brings. As Light ages, it will be interesting to see how he handles some of the more athletic pass rushers in the NFL and he should be tested right away.


This is a great thing to point out, since it will affect Belichick's evolving approach across the season as well as that of other teams--appreciate it.


Also, kudos to KFP and Rev. If this is going to be a recurring thread for all the positions, we should all be better football fans for it.


I spent like 10 minutes looking for a clip of the time that Mr. Burns, after Darryl Strawberry hits a home run in the company softball game says, "Did you see that? He hit that home run because I told him to!!"

I'm totally pumped that people are bringing this together and into this, I know KFP is too, and I'm getting pretty excited to watch this game.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:23 PM



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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:26 PM

While Long is going to be a great example of what a franchise LT should look and play like, I'm more interested in watching the Light/Wake matchup. Cameron Wake had 14.5 sacks in just his 2nd NFL season last year and is one of the more explosive edge rushers in the game. While the Pats have typically left Light on his own in the past, it's going to be important to watch how he handles the speed and quickness that Wake brings. As Light ages, it will be interesting to see how he handles some of the more athletic pass rushers in the NFL and he should be tested right away.


Vollmer's been out of practice and played terribly against Avril; I wonder if the have Taylor on the defensive right and attack Vollmer/Solder with Wake.

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 10:47 PM

Just spent 45 minutes typing this shit up and firefox crashed. So sorry if this seems rushed...

I made a brief video highlighting Matt Light during the Pats/Giants first quarter (pre-season). The quality sucks, but I'll work on that as I progress. I've never downloaded NFL videos before, never used a video editor before, and never posted on youtube before. The quality of the video is great, but it came out crappy when using the video editor. If anyone can teach me how to fix this problem, that would be awesome. Again, the video quality is HD, but when I record it onto my program it gets a little choppy.

Anyway, I just wanted to get this up so that people wanting to analyze the LT position on Monday night won't be going into it blind.

I wrote some analysis below the video. I suggest reading the analysis during the titles in the video (for example,Clip 2: Cut Block) so you know what I'm highlighting during the play.

Edit--I suggest clicking on the video and watching it on youtube. Watch it on the highest quality you can (480p maybe?), and the quality will be much better then what is in this post.



Clip 1--This first clip shows Matt Light on the weakside of the line. He crashes down to the second level immediately and goes after the weakside linebacker. Gronkowski is in motion from left to right and comes back around after the snap to seal the backside of the play. This perfectly illustrates what I mentioned in my previous post...

the LT will step inside quickly with some depth and take a cursory glance to make sure nobody (slanting defensive tackle, blitzing linebacker/safety) is sprinting through the backside B gap. After that, he'll either make his way up to the second level and try to engage either the weakside LB or the middle linebacker


Clip 2--This clip is a perfect illustration of Matt Light performing a cut block to open a window for Brady. Branch is the slot receiver next to Light, and his route is a "quick slant". Because of the depth on the route, the defensive end can often times be in the way of the window and can get his hands on the ball. Light knows this and opts for the cut block to negate the defensive end on the play if Brady were to target Branch. Not all players opt for the cut block because often times it ends with the LT on the dirt and the DE running free. Here, Light probably knows the rest of the receivers are running quick routes as well, so he can get away with it.

Clip 3--This clip shows a Matt Light on the strong side of the formation. This clip has 2 views, the second of which is a birds eye view and does a fantastic job illustrating the play. The run is into the C cap, and light crashes down onto the DT and doubles him with Mankins. Light can get away with this because the coaching staff has faith in Gronkowski's 1 on 1 blocking ability. Gronk handles the DE, and the pulling weak side guard takes the safety that has moved up into the box to cover Gronk.

Clip 4—Nothing fancy here. Light takes on the right defensive end, Gronk takes the safety in the box. The defense rides the play out well, and although Light can't open a seam, he does a good job keeping his hands on his man.

Clip 5—This play is fun to watch all around. The linebackers sneak up to the line and show blitz, so Brady audibles out of the play. The line acknowledges the audible and the WR's acknowledge the audible as well. Unfortunately, Slater didn't pick up the audible so he runs through the route instead of coming back for the screen, but it's fun to see the audible process. It's also great to see Matt Light hustling his ass off to get down field on the screen. All the people who mentioned his ability to get up field quickly are justified by this clip.

Clip 6—This clip shows Matt Light nearly getting Brady killed. I stated ad nauseum in my initial post that LT's have to protect their inside shoulder because it's the quickest route to the quarterback. When the linebacker sneaks up to the line, Matt Light knows he has to protect his inside shoulder (B gap) from the blitz. Unfortunately, the linebacker doesn't blitz and the defensive end nearly gets by Light.

Clip7—This play does a good job illustrating how LT's have a wider variety of assignments then most other lineman. Defensive tackles, defensive ends, linebackers…in this case, Light is actually assigned to block the strong side linebacker. Because he can't get up field, he waits for the linebacker to come to him.

Clip 8—This play shows what happens when you lose your technique. Light is clearly getting winded (first action of the year) and he skips the most basic step of his duty. He never gets a punch out onto the defensive end, and because of it the DE gets to build up speed form a distance. A simple cut inside, and he's gone. Light does do a good job staying with the play, but this play only happens because of Brady's fantastic pocket presence.

Clip 9—On this last clip, Light crashes again down the line to help double team the DT. When he realizes Mankins has control, he peels off and heads to the second level (noticing a theme here?) and meets the linebacker. The TE's do a decent job blocking the outside

I gathered a few things about this first quarter. First, BB was clearly trying to get Light some work. This variety of plays is extensive for any LT, I can only assume BB was trying to run him through the gauntlet and get him a quick crash course for the season. You can also tell how much the Patriots trust Gronk in the blocking game because the team allows Light to double team the DT's and crash to the second line on a very consistent basis throughout the quarter. This is a huge development for the running game. Between Gronk's ability to block DE's 1 on 1 and Mankins being one of the best in the business, Matt Light can be used in tons of different ways, which most teams don't have the luxury to do. Getting your LT to the second level or double teaming the middle lineman is huge, and that can't be understated.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 08 September 2011 - 09:30 AM.


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Posted 08 September 2011 - 06:54 AM

This is great stuff; very interesting.

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:13 AM

Awesome idea for a thread!

This isnt a left tackle specific question, but probably the best place to ask it. Something I have wanted to understand for a while is how the responsibilities on the line are divided up. Most of the time when Brady goes to the line he calls out the Mike MLB [Mike is 54 as an example]. I know the responsibilities are split up based on who the Mike is and I am sure the how varies based on the defensive formation and the o-line coverage scheme that has been called, but can anyone provide the details on how this works even for one example? Basically how determining who the Mike is then translates the responsibilities to the o-line??

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:29 AM

Awesome idea for a thread!

This isnt a left tackle specific question, but probably the best place to ask it. Something I have wanted to understand for a while is how the responsibilities on the line are divided up. Most of the time when Brady goes to the line he calls out the Mike MLB [Mike is 54 as an example]. I know the responsibilities are split up based on who the Mike is and I am sure the how varies based on the defensive formation and the o-line coverage scheme that has been called, but can anyone provide the details on how this works even for one example? Basically how determining who the Mike is then translates the responsibilities to the o-line??


As fate would have it, this question came up on a different forum on which I post and a guy linked to this video made by Brian Billick. I think Billick does a good job explaining football strategy in general and he gives a good answer to this question. It may not give you a complete answer to your question, but I think it lays a good foundation for many reading this thread:

http://multimedia.fo...ng-the-mike.htm

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 07:30 AM

As fate would have it, this question came up on a different forum on which I post and a guy linked to this video made by Brian Billick. I think Billick does a good job explaining football strategy in general and he gives a good answer to this question. It may not give you a complete answer to your question, but I think it lays a good foundation for many reading this thread:

http://multimedia.fo...ng-the-mike.htm


This is absolutely perfect it completely answered my question, thank you! Now when I see Brady doing this I can at least try to make sense of what happens post snap which is awesome!

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 10:11 PM

So am I nuts, or does Long basically jump way back at the snap on many plays?

Seemed like he often jumped back, then dug in and drove into his opponent. I wonder if this is a possibility made available by being awesomely powerful?

I expected to have trouble watching the 'fins LT, but I became fascinated by his approach here. Like, give a bit of ground to gain a superior position--reminds me of Batman Begins.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 10:28 PM

Like, give a bit of ground to gain a superior position--reminds me of Batman Begins.


I like what you did here.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 10:47 PM

So am I nuts, or does Long basically jump way back at the snap on many plays?

Seemed like he often jumped back, then dug in and drove into his opponent. I wonder if this is a possibility made available by being awesomely powerful?

I expected to have trouble watching the 'fins LT, but I became fascinated by his approach here. Like, give a bit of ground to gain a superior position--reminds me of Batman Begins.


This is a great observation, and something I've noticed before. He's actually gotten flagged for a false start one or two times last season cause he jumps off the ball and tries to back pedal and get into position as fast as possible. It works great for him because he establishes his position early and forces the defender to cope with him, rather than vice versa.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 06:08 AM

This is probably a dumb question about line play, but this seems like the thread to ask about it. In one of last night's Solder vs. Wake replays, we saw Solder winding up on the ground on top of Wake.

I hadn't really thought about it much before, but it seems weird to me that it is a penalty for Solder if he holds Wake, but it is no problem whatsoever if he gets on top of him on the ground. What is the rules distinction there and also, when does a lineman want to do this tactically rather than staying on their feet in case they need to engage a second rusher (or turn upfield on a running play).

My instinct would be perhaps that if a lineman knocks a rusher over using solely legal line moves, then he can elect to get down on top of the rusher to take him out of the play completely, and that choice would be made based on the play and the read of the defense whether it is more important to be up and aware for being able to do something else on the play or to take that guy out of the play completely along with yourself.

Also, I might be completely overthinking a big guy falling onto another guy, but that is why I am asking the Clinicians.

On the more precise subject of LT, I can't recall the down and quarter or anything, but there were definitely some sterling examples of Light's upfield blocking to talk about this game.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 08:31 AM

Perhaps Solder tactically did this more last night due to Wakes reputation as a "Never say die...motor constantly running player." Not sure how true this is but last night they made reference and I have heard before that his sack numbers are due to "effort".

One play last night (Wakes Sack??) Wake got Solder off balance and knocked off his feet...Wake then got back in on the play and got the sack (Hurry?) on Brady.

If the "effort thing" is true then maybe the coaches told Solder "if you get him down....keep him down."

As an athletic guy I am sure he is able to get knocked over...jump up and impact the play more so then guys like Haynesworth or Wilfork.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 09:59 AM

Falling on a man is widely taught even at a young age. If you're man goes down, fall on him and lay on top of him. It isn't considered holding (although it's a good point, I'm not sure why), and it completely negates your man for the duration of the play.

Anytime you're 1-on-1 with a man and he goes down, it's protocol to fall on top of him. If it's 2-on-1, usually you won't see it, although sometimes you still might. Falling and laying on a downed lineman is basic protocol for all offensive linemen.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:04 AM

One thing that struck me about the Jets, GB and Pats games is that in each one the best pass rusher (Ware, Clay, Wake) was line up across from the RT much-even most-of the time. It seems like the thinking is that it's really tough to get to the QB from either LB spot so you might as well hope to have your best pass rusher get in the QB's face a little.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:21 AM

One thing that struck me about the Jets, GB and Pats games is that in each one the best pass rusher (Ware, Clay, Wake) was line up across from the RT much-even most-of the time. It seems like the thinking is that it's really tough to get to the QB from either LB spot so you might as well hope to have your best pass rusher get in the QB's face a little.


Isn't the best tackle usually on the left side as well, in order to best protect the side that the QB will not be able rapidly adjust?

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:23 AM

Falling on a man is widely taught even at a young age. If you're man goes down, fall on him and lay on top of him. It isn't considered holding (although it's a good point, I'm not sure why), and it completely negates your man for the duration of the play.


I honestly can't believe that this is the first time I ever realized that this is, without a doubt, holding. Unless holding has language around the guy being on the ground....and I don't think it does. Yeah, they have been teaching this as core technique since the 70s at least.

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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:41 AM

I honestly can't believe that this is the first time I ever realized that this is, without a doubt, holding. Unless holding has language around the guy being on the ground....and I don't think it does. Yeah, they have been teaching this as core technique since the 70s at least.


Since I brought this up I felt like I should at least waste some time attempting to resolve it by poking around in rulebooks.

I couldn't find just a straight up from the NFL rulebook definition of "holding", but both this summary at NFL Rulebook and some book excerpt I found on Google Books and can't find again to link that was written by a guy from Referee magazine and was entirely about how to call holding seemed to state, or at least strongly imply, that holding was a penalty exclusively based on hooking/grabbing with hands and arms.

Perhaps that means falling on the defender and suppressing them with just your body is okay? I suspect it rarely works that way in practice when a lineman takes someone down, but that might be the theory.

Edited by Jimy Hendrix, 13 September 2011 - 10:42 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2011 - 11:13 AM

Well, I guess--as long as the offensive lineman isn't moving--technically it's gravity doing the holding. Flag that bitch up, get vengeance for Isaac Newton.

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Posted 15 September 2011 - 10:55 AM

Put me in the camp that had his mind blown by JH's holding question--I just spent a bunch of time trying to find youtube of Bud-Lite Kaminski wrestling with his man on the ground but failed, further underscoring the lack of appreciation of offensive line play.

In that regard, ElcabalitoMVP made a good point in the game thread that Solder was putting on a clinic of his own. In the process, I realized that once I got going watching linemen play, I could actually sort of keep an eye on how the offensive tackle on the top of the screen (during the standard tv view from the side) by the degree to which his numbers stood out clearly. I realized this early on because Solder's 77 were so often apparent and framed square to the camera as he turned his man to the outside.

I thought that was sort of a cool thing to pick up, as part of the ultimate goal is to be able to keep track of how the plays develop by paying attention to multiple locations on the field at once.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 03:00 PM

BB breaks down a couple plays: one is a block by Light on BJGE's late TD run:

http://www.patriots....e5-483ee2eaef28

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

I'm bumping these. I had fun doing this so I plan on doing more of these this year. If anyone is interested in brushing up, this might be a good place to start.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 30 July 2012 - 08:41 AM.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:58 AM

Someone passed this along to me through a PM, thought people here might find it interesting.

Scouts Notebook: Tackle

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 05:03 PM

NFL GameRewind has All-22 and goal line cameras available for all plays this year along with a corresponding app for iPads which allows you to use a telestrator feature and share with your friends. These threads are about to go from awesome to otherwordly...right?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:27 PM

NFL GameRewind has All-22 and goal line cameras available for all plays this year along with a corresponding app for iPads which allows you to use a telestrator feature and share with your friends. These threads are about to go from awesome to otherwordly...right?


I just heard about this recently, makes things even more amazing. Anyone can sit at home and play Jaws in their own personal Edge NFL Matchup.




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