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[knucklebird]

Not sure what to make of his revelation in the Lightning series for two games, followed by uneven, although certainly not atrocious, play from there on out.

While I believe that the Cup run and win ultimately will accelerate his maturation and eventual stardom in the league, I can't help but wonder if too much success too early in the game might get to his head (ala Bucholz after his no-no).

What sort of expectations are legitimate for #19 heading into next season?

[TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle]

I think 20 goals, 40-50 points with improved positional and especially defensive play and conditioning is a good benchmark for him. He has definitely shown that he can play and play well in this league, but he needs to improve his consistency as he does disappear for long stretches. Key one to doing that is to improve his conditioning and strength as that will allow him to give max effort on shifts more often. It will also get him minutes on the scoring lines with Recchi gone which should improve his stats as well.

I hope (and expect) Julien and his teammates won't let winning the Cup get to his head too much and let him lose development time because he partied too much this offseason.

Edited by TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle, 17 June 2011 - 05:03 PM.

[Eddie Jurak]

He's way ahead of where Phil Kessel was after his rookie year, and he stepped his overall play up a few notches in the playoffs, particularly in ares that seemed to be weaknesses in the regular season (like hitting and winning battles). He actually led the Bruins in points per minute during the playoffs, so it's pretty hard to argue that he should have had more than 7 points, given his limited ice time. If he didn't step up in game 2 against Tampa, there is a lot less celebrating going on in Boston right now. Once he got into the playoff lineup, I think the major reason that he might have seemed to "disappear for large stretches" was because he was not actually on the ice for large stretches. His most consistent overall game was game 7 in the Tampa series - the only game in which he got a regular shift from the opening shift to late in the third, and his highest amount fo ice time.

The playoff experience will be a positive for him, because he did step up his game and know he knows what it is like to play in the playoffs.

A big question for next year is whether they start him out as a center (which would put him on the third line) or as a top 6 winger. I'd put him at center, because he's not another Kessel, so 3rd line center would be better than second line wing for his long term development as a player.

[SoxScout]

A big question for next year is whether they start him out as a center (which would put him on the third line) or as a top 6 winger. I'd put him at center, because he's not another Kessel, so 3rd line center would be better than second line wing for his long term development as a player.

I want him at C, but only if we spend some of the free money on a winger that can score to play next to him. I don't want Ryder back. I'll be ticked if he centers Kelly and Caron. If we don't sign him someone who can score, I want him on the Marchand/Bergeron line.

So basically one of what Felger (sign him a scorer) or Gosher (Bergeron line) wants.

Edited by SoxScout, 17 June 2011 - 05:35 PM.

[erfus]

I want him at C, but only if we spend some of the free money on a winger that can score to play next to him. I don't want Ryder back. I'll be ticked if he centers Kelly and Caron. If we don't sign him someone who can score, I want him on the Marchand/Bergeron line.

So basically one of what Felger (sign him a scorer) or Gosher (Bergeron line) wants.

It may just be lingering game 7 euphoria, but I'd like to see Seguin with Bergeron and Marchand. Those are 2 big game players, defensively responsible, creative offensively with the game breaking talent of Seguin who can both pass and finish. I agree that Seguin is a long-term center, but the Bs have centers coming out of their ears and I think it'd be good to continue to break Seguin in slowly. Next season will be his 1st as a top 6 forward and there's no one better to learn from at this point than Bergeron. That Bergeron line could play against anyone in the league and if they draw the checking line, it'll leave Krejci's line open for business.

I'd also really like to see the Bruins take advantage of Bergeron's offensively ability a little more consistently next season. Instead of spreading the talent so thin that they have 3 decent lines, I'd rather see 2 really strong lines (Lucic-Krejci-Horton; Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin) with a checking line that can chip in offense occasionally (Kelly-Peverley-Caron or UFA).

[ajml]

It may just be lingering game 7 euphoria, but I'd like to see Seguin with Bergeron and Marchand. Those are 2 big game players, defensively responsible, creative offensively with the game breaking talent of Seguin who can both pass and finish. I agree that Seguin is a long-term center, but the Bs have centers coming out of their ears and I think it'd be good to continue to break Seguin in slowly. Next season will be his 1st as a top 6 forward and there's no one better to learn from at this point than Bergeron. That Bergeron line could play against anyone in the league and if they draw the checking line, it'll leave Krejci's line open for business.

I'd also really like to see the Bruins take advantage of Bergeron's offensively ability a little more consistently next season. Instead of spreading the talent so thin that they have 3 decent lines, I'd rather see 2 really strong lines (Lucic-Krejci-Horton; Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin) with a checking line that can chip in offense occasionally (Kelly-Peverley-Caron or UFA).

The other thing your proposed lines do is give them two people who can take face-offs (Bergeron/Seguin and Peverly/Kelly) on both lines which Claude obviously liked, with good reason, in the playoffs. Of course regular season it's not as big of a deal most of the time but it's definitely a plus if you have the resources.

[behindthepen]

after last night's game I'm looking to bump a #19 thread. Obviously it's been easy to love his offensive contribution this season, but I felt like the Leafs game was the best he's every played in every zone. He looks stronger and more confident in the greasy areas of the ice, and is making a lot of solid defensive plays. Not perfect, but deserving of a spot in the Top 6.

[Blacken]

Agreed. Seguin looked fantastic in the offensive zone, but I think my favorite play was the diving backcheck. Claude probably liked that.

[behindthepen]

and I just thought to check, but with 16+ of TOI/G, he's leading the team with a +5 and only been on the ice for 2 GA.

[Franklin Fanatic]

Someone said this in the game thread as well - he better not see 3rd line duty ever again!

[SoxScout]

His line got some serious limited ice time last night, 12, 15, and 17 in ice time... with 8 points combined. Just something to watch with Krejci back.

[PedroSpecialK]

*Meaningless stat alert*

On a 3-5-0 club, Seguin is tied for the NHL lead in +/- at +7. He is also in a 7-way tie for 10th overall in scoring.

[Eddie Jurak]

I'm impressed at the way he can get the separation he needs to get a good shot off. That wasn't something we saw much of last year (though he did it on one of his playoff goals against Tampa).

The goal he scored against the Blackhawks and then the post he hit in the first period last night, both plays where he initally got the puck outside the offensive blue line in tight quarters. Both plays it looked like he would have to try to stickhandle through the D, and instead he just shifted and blew right by... impressive.

Seems like the line with Kelly and Lucic is working out just fine so far.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Shit, this article from ESPN Boston is pretty fucking depressing...

BOSTON -- Forward Tyler Seguin has been arguably the Bruins' best player so far in what is shaping up to be a breakout season, but looming in the background is a question about his long-term health. Seguin has a congenital hip condition that makes him more susceptible to a hip injury, according to league and team sources.

The condition could lead to an injury that requires surgery and potentially shortens his career, the sources said, but is not a concern for the short-term, nor is it affecting him presently.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Not going to worry about a bunch of "coulds" right now.

[TheShynessClinic]

Way to leave out the most significant quote in the article:

The condition increases the likelihood that the 19-year-old Seguin suffers a type of repetitive-stress degenerative hip injury if he isn't proactive about building and maintaining his strength in that area.

So basically...continue to be the gym stud that he is, take care of something that he already knows about, and it shouldn't be an issue.

As far as I'm concerned, this article is just useless fear-mongering trying to capitalize on the sudden "woe-is-me" mentality of Bruins fans.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Sure, not right now. But if the article is correct, that's the same injury that shortened the careers of Bo Jackson and Albert Belle. Just saying it sucks if the report is accurate.

[TheShynessClinic]

Sure, not right now. But if the article is correct, that's the same injury that shortened the careers of Bo Jackson and Albert Belle. Just saying it sucks if the report is accurate.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but did you even read the article?

Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli estimated that 70 percent of his players have hip issues and that it is "nothing to be alarmed about." Chiarelli insisted Seguin's condition is not serious.

When asked whether he was concerned about Seguin's hip, Chiarelli was clear.

"No, I'm not," he said.

Oh, also the fact that this entire article is predicated on "team sources" aka - no one in the organization has confirmed or even made mention of this.

Seguin has a congenital hip condition that makes him more susceptible to a hip injury, according to league and team sources.

Again, this article is by a hack (Joe MacDonald) catering to the lowest common denominator.

Nothing to see here.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

I'm not trying to be a dick, but did you even read the article?

Oh, also the fact that this entire article is predicated on "team sources" aka - no one in the organization has confirmed or even made mention of this.

Again, this article is by a hack (Joe MacDonald) catering to the lowest common denominator.

Nothing to see here.

I don't think you're being a dick at all, I understand your point completely. I just thought it was worth posting (and yes I did read it). Fwiw, Haggerty pretty much said the same thing as MacDonald on Comcast about the injury and I find him credible. And you're absolutely correct that nobody is saying it's going to affect him soon or of great concern, but I stand by my original response - that anytime a hockey player has a hip issue, especially one that's "congenital", it sucks, that's all.

[soxfan121]

Oh, also the fact that this entire article is predicated on "team sources" aka - no one in the organization has confirmed or even made mention of this.

\Jeremy Jacobs is obviously the source.\

[The Four Peters]

I'm not too worried about the article, but Joe MacDonald isn't a hack. He's a good reporter from what I've seen in the past

[PedroSpecialK]

As always it's something in between. Yes, given Seguin's inclination for hitting the gym, it's not something that's as alarming as if he were Phil Kessel, but it's also something to keep an eye on and not sweep under the rug for convenience's sake. I think and hope it won't be an issue for him during his playing career, but at the same time it's a good condition to know about if he starts missing games due to an undisclosed "lower body injury".

[Dick Pole Upside]

Worst-case scenario it starts to bother him when he's an old man in his late '20's (sarcasm). He's 19. I think we'd all be happy with 8-10 years of good/great production from him before worrying about a "maybe". It also gives Chiarelli or his successor plenty of time to think/plan/build.

This was really like an article from In Touch talking about some bimbo who's lost weight or gotten bigger tits... "We spoke to a prominent LA plastic surgeon who has NOT treated Taylor Sequin or seen her records...". Kinda silly.

[TheShynessClinic]

As I was saying earlier - the whole report was either complete bullshit, or something closely resembling.

From the Bruins Blog:

Tyler Seguin said he was not born with a congenital hip condition, as ESPN Boston reported yesterday.

“I was not born with any symptoms or anything like that,” Seguin said. “I’m 100 percent healthy. So whatever was said is false.”

Edited by TheShynessClinic, 29 October 2011 - 11:56 AM.

[Ed Hillel]

ESPN is now reporting that team doctors are confirming that, at some point in the future, Tyler Seguin will DIE. He will fucking DIE; be dead as a doornail, stiff, stone cold, gone to meet his maker, pushing up the daisies.

FML, trade him while you still can, Peter! What else could go wrong this season?

Edited by Ed Hillel, 29 October 2011 - 12:28 PM.

[TheShynessClinic]

ESPN is now reporting that team doctors are confirming that, at some point in the future, Tyler Seguin will DIE. He will fucking DIE; be dead as a doornail, stiff, stone cold, gone to meet his maker, pushing up the daisies.

FML, trade him while you still can, Peter! What else could go wrong this season?

Incorrect, again. From Fluto and the Bruins Blog:

Tyler Seguin said he was not born a mere mortal, as reported by ESPN Boston yesterday.

"I don't know where the report that I will eventually die someday came from," Seguin said. "I am immortal, cannot be killed, and will live forever. So whatever was said is false"

Edited by TheShynessClinic, 29 October 2011 - 12:33 PM.

[Rico Guapo]

TSC and Ed have just won the internets, game over man, game over.

[Myt1]

\Jeremy Jacobs is obviously the source.\

Well played.

[TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle]

Incorrect, again. From Fluto and the Bruins Blog:

[jsinger121]

5th in the league in scoring. Second in goals. 1st in the league in +/-

[Frisbetarian]

5th in the league in scoring. Second in goals. 1st in the league in +/-

2nd in points per game and 1st in goals per game.

[behindthepen]

5th in the league in scoring. Second in goals. 1st in the league in +/-

I haven't been paying quite close enough attention, but I assume he's usually on the ice vs. the opponent's top line, given he's on with Bergeron. That makes that +/- even more impressive.

[Tyrone Biggums]

We got this guy AND Knight AND Hamilton for Kessel?? Seguin alone will be better than Kessel soon.

[PedroSpecialK]

NHL's first star of the week

@NaokoFunayama Naoko Funayama
Seguin named NHL 1st star of week. In 3 games- 4G, 2A, +4.

[JimBoSox9]

Oh So Wrong, or Oh So Funny?

[AgentOrange]

2nd in points per game and 1st in goals per game.

1st in the league in points to time on ice ratio.

[SoxScout]

1st in the league in points to time on ice ratio.

Just screwing around, he is 1st in P/min and G/min of the 520 players with >120 minutes ice time.

Here is the G/min list

Tyler Seguin
Thomas Vanek
Phil Kessel
Eric Nystrom
James Neal
Johan Franzen
Steven Stamkos
Claude Giroux
Milan Lucic
Ryan Johansen

Along with #1 and #9, the B's also have #40... of course, Chris Kelly.

[Eddie Jurak]

Seguin's assist last night was an example of why I see him as a center long term. He was avaialble deep in the d-zone to take a short pass from his defensman, made a high percentage pass to start the breakout and then bulit up speed before taking a return feed at his own blue line, beating the defense wide and hitting Bergeron in the slot with a nice backhand feed. I think his future in this league is to be a classic, Red Wings type puck possession center. For how he's fine where he is, but at some point in the next couple of years he'll be a full time center.

It very clear that his confidence is improving almost by the game. He hasn't quite clicked on the PP yet, but in the past couple of games he has started to play more assertively on the PP. He basically ran the 4-on-3 PP in OT against the Blue Jackets, and he came close to a highlight film assist on the 5-on-3 last night, with a great slap-pass to Marchand that Brad just couldn't handle cleanly for the easy tap in.

[Eddie Jurak]

After 22 games, Seguin is third on the Bruins in even strength ice time per game.

And he has been on the ice for only five goals against. Those goals included one empty net goal at the end of a loss against the Habs, and one goal in which Andrew Ference sent Chicago's Bryan Bickell in on a clean breakaway against Thomas just as Seguin was hopping over the boards behind the play.

The only Bruins who have been on the ice for fewer ES goals than Seguin are Hamill (0 in 3 games), Bartkowski (2 in 3 games), and Kampfer (3 in 5 games). The three of them have combined for 5 ES goals against in less than 1/3 of Seguin's ES ice time. Thornton has also been on the ice for only 5 goals against, but in about 60% of Seguin's ice time.

This has fluke written all over it, but still pretty remarkable.

[TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle]

Yeah, that's a fluke, but even so, he's playing pretty well defensively. Plus he's on a line with one of the best defensive centers in the league in Bergeron on one of the best defensive teams in the NHL, so he's not going to be on the ice for too many goals against as it is.

[underhandtofirst]

Didnt he come off the ice for some defensive zone faceoffs early on this season to ensure they had one more good faceoff guy? Part of the improvement could be from just not being on the ice for those draws early in the season. Seguin is at +19 with Bergeron and Marchand at +13 and +14, respectively. In November, they are at +6,+6,+5 with +6 being the team lead. He has earned about 30 secs more TOI per game in November by being better in all 3 zones.

[Eddie Jurak]

Didnt he come off the ice for some defensive zone faceoffs early on this season to ensure they had one more good faceoff guy? Part of the improvement could be from just not being on the ice for those draws early in the season.

This definately happened early in the year, but not that much. I think Seguin's been on Bergeron's line since before the winning streak started. and earlier in the year he had to fill in for Krejci as a top 6 center. So I think we're talking about 5-7 games out of 22 where Julien "protected" him.

Seguin is at +19 with Bergeron and Marchand at +13 and +14, respectively. In November, they are at +6,+6,+5 with +6 being the team lead. He has earned about 30 secs more TOI per game in November by being better in all 3 zones.

Yes. I think the low goals against total is a fluke, but the kind of fluke that only happens to a good player. Kind of like a baseball starter who loses less than 5 games in a full season in the rotation - there's a good amount of luck there, but there isn't enough luck in the universe for a John Lackey v2011 to lose that few games in a full season.

[Eddie Jurak]

Didnt he come off the ice for some defensive zone faceoffs early on this season to ensure they had one more good faceoff guy? Part of the improvement could be from just not being on the ice for those draws early in the season.

This definately happened early in the year, but not that much. I think Seguin's been on Bergeron's line since before the winning streak started. and earlier in the year he had to fill in for Krejci as a top 6 center. So I think we're talking about 5-7 games out of 22 where Julien "protected" him.

Seguin is at +19 with Bergeron and Marchand at +13 and +14, respectively. In November, they are at +6,+6,+5 with +6 being the team lead. He has earned about 30 secs more TOI per game in November by being better in all 3 zones.

Yes. I think the low goals against total is a fluke, but the kind of fluke that only happens to a good player. Kind of like a baseball starter who loses less than 5 games in a full season in the rotation - there's a good amount of luck there, but there isn't enough luck in the universe for a John Lackey v2011 to lose that few games in a full season.

[SoxScout]

One former NHL player, now a scout who frequently sees B’s games, expected big things from the soon-to-be-20-year-old, just not quite so quickly.

“I don’t think anyone really anticipated this to happen this quick, for him to be doing what he’s doing,” said the scout. “I mean, this is a kid who could be playing his senior year at prep school. I think his work ethic and his play away from the puck have gotten much better. He’s playing a much more mature game. He’s doing a much better job with his awareness of what’s going on around him. That’s one of his biggest skills: He anticipates the play very well.

“The sky’s the limit with him. He’s as electric and elusive as they come. He could get 40 goals this year, 50. You just don’t see many players who are generating as many scoring chances as he is, on a consistent basis. It’s not that he stands out one game and the next game he’s shut down and you don’t notice him.”

This scout figures that those healthy scratches last year were the best thing that could have happened to Seguin.

“He got humbled a little bit,” said the scout. “Having him around (Mark) Recchi and (Patrice) Bergeron, (Dennis) Seidenberg, guys who are blue-collar, hard-working hockey players, it was like, ‘Hey kid, this isn’t juniors anymore. This is a grind. There are no easy nights. Consistency is the most important thing.’ ”

At times, Seguin has rubbed some people wrong as kind of a cocky kid, maybe a little too impressed with himself. But one of the most positive things he has said is that the player he hopes to emulate is Bergeron, one of the best and most respected all-around forwards in the NHL.

http://bostonherald....699&format=text

[Dummy Hoy]

I've decided that if he is willing to work like the true greats (Crosby, Brady, Jordan, etc), Seguin might very well be a top 3 NHL player in a few years.

I played summer hockey with a kid who skated against Seguin in Jr's, and he said the one thing that stood out was his speed. You'd set everything up as a defenseman and have your gap control and then Seguin was by you with no noticeable effort. The fact that he can already do this in the League (at 19) is amazing.

[PedroSpecialK]

Against an All-Star like Komisarek, no less!

[Dummy Hoy]

Against an All-Star like Komisarek, no less!

I'm a bit confused...is this in reference to my post?

[TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle]

I think PSK was using your post as a launching pad to "come at [Komisarek] like a ball of hair and the NHL salary cap."

[PedroSpecialK]

I think PSK was using your post as a launching pad to "come at [Komisarek] like a ball of hair and the NHL salary cap."

Qu'reqt

[Over Guapo Grande]

"It would have been easy to blame the wrong people," Seguin said. "I could have sat there and said, 'I'm better than him, why is he playing ahead of me?' I had to realize what was happening was my doing, and if I got the opportunity I had to seize it."

Jackie Mac on Tyler Seguin