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[SeanBerry]

This Yankee team has the stench of 1965 all over it.

They are old and breaking down. The bullpen was supposed to be the strongest part of the team and the only lead it can hold onto is days on the DL.

Derek Jeter went down yesterday but has looked old, paunchy and slow even when he has played. The catching situation could be a disaster for the next couple of weeks until Russell Martin gets bacn and he's been terrible since May (.183/.309/.301) due to either being tired or the AL figuring him out.

The starting pitching is in as much disarray. The Yankees are 4th in the AL in ERA but I see that is a mirage. CC Sabathia has been great and AJ Burnett and that very well may continue. It's after that where danger lies.

Fat Bartolo Colon is hurt and it's never good when the MLB is investigating you for PED use. Junkballer Freddy Garcia looks like he's slinging more trash than Fred Sanford against good teams like the Red Sox and Tigers. Ivan Nova has been OK but he's a poor 3rd starter.

Do they still have some guys who can still mash? Sure. A-Rod, Teixara, Cano are all very good hitters and Curtis Granderson is on pace for a 50 home run season. The Yankees do lead the AL in homers.

But it's not hard to be the worst Yankees team since 1992. They have won (or due to the strike on pace for) 88 or more games every season since then. With the Red Sox playing .698 ball over the past 53 games (that's almost 1/3 of a season!), it's easy to see the Sox sprinting past the Yankees.

With all the old players, guys on the DL and long term contracts to many of those players is it the end of Rome? Or am I an overzelous Red Sox fan?

[foulkehampshire]

Ah yes, the annual "Yankees are doomed and old and are going to collapse" thread.

I'll believe it when I see it on game 162.

[glennhoffmania]

Hughes has apparently been looking better. If he comes back healthy it would be a huge plus for them. That's obviously a big if.

In terms of offense, I don't expect Granderson to keep up this pace, and I'd expect Cano to improve somewhat. The rest of lineup is what it is. What I'd be concerned about most as a Yankee fan is the injury situation. ARod could have a hip relapse. Jeter could continue to get dinged up. The pen is a mess. Martin's multiple off-season surgeries seem to have finally caught up with him. And I don't see many sellers looking to unload bats or arms this July.

But are they a bad team? No. I don't think they've over-performed too much and they have the second best record in the AL. If the Sox win the division, who besides Tampa can reasonably compete with NY for the WC? I say they make the playoffs with 88 wins (they're currently on pace for 91).

[rembrat]

They arent a powerful house team but outside of the Red Sox no one is in the AL. They'll stay afloat and look better than they really are because th ed rest of the league sucks.

The offense is still be held up by the HR and thats really annonying.

[TheYellowDart5]

SB, I think you're underestimating just how bad that 1992 team was. They had one above-average player offensively in Danny Tartabull, two players in Don Mattingly and Mel Hall who were slightly above-average, and then a whole lot of replacement-level dreck in the regular lineup. Pitching-wise, their only starter who managed an ERA+ above 100 was Melido Perez; everyone else was decidedly awful.

There are some definite problems with the Yankees. Anywhere from a third to half their lineup is producing zero right now. The back-end of their rotation is uninspiring (though Garcia has actually outprouduced Burnett so far, for what that's worth). Their bullpen is being held together by duct tape and string. This is by no means a 100-win juggernaut. But they have enough plus performers on offense and in the rotation to keep themselves above .500.

Honestly, this team reminds me more of the 2008 Yankees, who were torn apart by injuries and forced to give innings to the likes of Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson and someone named Dan Giese. Even then, despite half the rotation being awful and the offense basically being A-Rod, they won 89 games. I think this team, barring more injury woes, will probably end up between 90-93 wins. And in a decidedly weak AL, that's good enough to be a contender.

[JMDurron]

With all the old players, guys on the DL and long term contracts to many of those players is it the end of Rome? Or am I an overzelous Red Sox fan?

Depending on how you define "the end of Rome", it's almost certainly the latter. This Yankees team has plenty of talent at the top end of the lineup and the rotation, plus Rivera in the bullpen, to win at least 90 games. They can get to 95 games easily enough if they stay relatively healthy, and that's their main risk factor. Is your target "a .500 team or below"? I ask because if so, that's not happening. I expect them to win at least as many games as the 2000 team did, and given the relatively greater strength of the AL East now, that still leaves the 2000 team as the "worst since 1992", oddly enough, since they ended up winning the World Series.

I think TheYellowDart has it right with the comparison to the 2008 team. This team has injury/depth issues, not overall talent problems.

[Rudy Pemberton]

Yeah, you really can't underestimate how bad the league is, and how much offense is down. Teixera, Cano, A-Rod, and Granderson are among the best in the league at their positions. Gardner and Martin are above average; and you'd expect Swisher to get better. Jeter and Posada are not very good. Bullpen has been decimated by injuries; but Rivera is still great and most teams wouldn't mind a guy whiffing nearly 15 batters per 9 (Robertson).

They are underperforming their Pythag; their run differential suggests they are playing at a 99 win pace believe it or not. I don't think they are that good, but I'd agree with TYD and expect them to be in the 89-94 range.

[gammoseditor]

Yeah, you really can't underestimate how bad the league is, and how much offense is down. Teixera, Cano, A-Rod, and Granderson are among the best in the league at their positions. Gardner and Martin are above average; and you'd expect Swisher to get better. Jeter and Posada are not very good. Bullpen has been decimated by injuries; but Rivera is still great and most teams wouldn't mind a guy whiffing nearly 15 batters per 9 (Robertson).

They are underperforming their Pythag; their run differential suggests they are playing at a 99 win pace believe it or not. I don't think they are that good, but I'd agree with TYD and expect them to be in the 89-94 range.

Agreed on every point except where I bolded. Martin did the exact same thing last year. He came out to start the season on fire, then completely fell apart. I don't buy any of the new injury news. His knees are a mess. That's why the Red Sox weren't interested. The medical staff wouldn't sign off. At the start of the year when he's fresh he can hit, then he falls apart. There's a pattern here.

[Rudy Pemberton]

Yeah, fair point re: Martin. Ultimately, I think they'll probably be above average offensively at 6-7 positions (while being way above in 3-4 of them).

[SeanBerry]

SB, I think you're underestimating just how bad that 1992 team was. They had one above-average player offensively in Danny Tartabull, two players in Don Mattingly and Mel Hall who were slightly above-average, and then a whole lot of replacement-level dreck in the regular lineup. Pitching-wise, their only starter who managed an ERA+ above 100 was Melido Perez; everyone else was decidedly awful.

Oh, I agree the 1992 team was awful.

I am saying this is the worst team since then. From 1993-on.

[WayBackVazquez]

The 2000 (World Series Champion) Yankees were 5th in the AL in OPS+ (6th in runs scored) and 6th in ERA+ (5th in runs allowed). Its pythag was 85-76.

This team is 2nd in OPS+ (and runs scored) and 2nd in ERA+ (and 5th in runs allowed). Its pythag paces out to 101-61.

[jon abbey]

35-20 against everyone but Boston and still somehow with the best run differential in baseball, kind of a silly thread.

One thing is Cashman is being ultracautious about bringing up his top prospects, and even his second-tier prospects, so maybe they can get some help from there down the stretch. They do need Soriano back ASAP, and the good version of Soriano, but I think they're in OK shape in general.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Short of someone dumping plague infected rats into the Yankee Stadium water supply, there is no way this team finishes with less than 90 wins. Will they make the playoffs? It's hard to say. If they catch up to their pythag record a bit, that seems likely. If their pythag record starts trending toward their actual record and they end up at 90 or 91 wins, there's a pretty good chance they don't. But it will depend heavily on what happens in July. If the Yankees are able to add a bat or a starting pitcher, they're probably going to be playing October baseball. If another wild card contender does instead (Tampa, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Texas, maybe even Anaheim), they may have a tough fight to get there.

Right now there are 4 teams within 4 wins of the Bronx Bombers in the AL with Chicago and Anaheim being the only two in that list more than 6 losses back. That excludes Cleveland which is in free fall. By late July, a couple of those teams will likely fall back but I have a hard time seeing a scenario where there are three division leaders, the Yankees and a no one else down the stretch.

Then again, if the Yankees keep up the run differential, we may be talking about the Red Sox as the wild card team instead. There's too much season left to be making hard predictions and I don't think anyone would be shocked with both the Sox and Yanks winning more than 95 games.

Edited by Snodgrass'Muff, 14 June 2011 - 02:37 PM.

[TomRicardo]

This thread is entirely unfair to the 2008 Yankees who smoke and mirrored their way to 89 wins.

[gammoseditor]

35-20 against everyone but Boston and still somehow with the best run differential in baseball, kind of a silly thread.

One thing is Cashman is being ultracautious about bringing up his top prospects, and even his second-tier prospects, so maybe they can get some help from there down the stretch. They do need Soriano back ASAP, and the good version of Soriano, but I think they're in OK shape in general.

Except the low water mark for the Yankees over this stretch is 2008 when they won 89 games. So if you change the question to be is this team worse than the 2008 team then I don't think it sounds so bad. I think the answer is probably no. But if you consider the collapse of Posada and Jeter, the injuries to the bullpen, a few starting pitchers outperforming expectations, and the catching situation, I think it has potential to be worse.

I also don't see what trades are out there. The best available pitcher through trade might be Brett Myers. They won't turn away from Swisher after last year. There is no way they trade for a SS unless Jeter has a season ending injury. There are no catchers out there. The one spot they could trade for is DH, but the best they could do there is probably Vlad.

[TomRicardo]

The Yankees have played 2 games over .500 since April ended. They have played less games than anyone but still have played 10 more home games than away games.

As they get banged up and age the road is going to get a lot tougher than easier.

[JMDurron]

As they get banged up and age the road is going to get a lot tougher than easier.

I think a key on the injury front will be, somewhat obviously, who gets injured. If A-Rod or Sabathia go down, sure, the Yankees might be screwed. On the other hand, two of the most likely players to get injured due to age are Jeter and Posada, and almost anyone that the Yankees would replace them with would probably be an improvement, possibly offensively and defensively. I'm not sure how much the Yankees are supposed to lose from "the old guys going down" if the old guys already suck, BABIP-fueled hitting streaks of singles aside.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

I want to point out that while trade market looks pretty thin right now, a lot can change in the next month or so. And while it looks thin right now, Carlos Beltran would be a nice upgrade over Swisher if he doesn't pick it up by mid July. He's currently sporting an OPS+ of 140 and could be had on the cheap. Granted, the Red Sox may be looking at him too, but I don't see why they would hesitate to upgrade their outfield just because Swisher is still around.

[jon abbey]

Except the low water mark for the Yankees over this stretch is 2008 when they won 89 games. So if you change the question to be is this team worse than the 2008 team then I don't think it sounds so bad. I think the answer is probably no. But if you consider the collapse of Posada and Jeter, the injuries to the bullpen, a few starting pitchers outperforming expectations, and the catching situation, I think it has potential to be worse.

Sure, but the timing of the thread has much more to do with Boston looking like worldbeaters than anything NY has done so far this year IMO. They came into the season with plenty of question marks, especially in the rotation, and have held up reasonably well so far. If Boston had gone 6-3 in the last 9 instead of 9-0, NY is still in first place and I don't think this thread exists.

[rembrat]

August is what will break them.

30 games in August.
21 road games.
2 days off.
1 double header.

August 1st to 14st they'll face CWS for 4, BOS 3, LAA for 3, and the Rays for 3.

They'll have a chance to gain some of that back with OAK and BAL but they end the month @ Fenway. Just a BRUTAL month. And their Sept ain't a walk in the park either. 25 games in Sept and 13 on the road.

[SaveBooFerriss]

35-20 against everyone but Boston and still somehow with the best run differential in baseball, kind of a silly thread.

Agreed. The Sox are only 31-25 against non-Yankee teams. I see the Sox slowly building a big division lead over the summer, but the Yankees are still dangerous.

[gammoseditor]

Sure, but the timing of the thread has much more to do with Boston looking like worldbeaters than anything NY has done so far this year IMO. They came into the season with plenty of question marks, especially in the rotation, and have held up reasonably well so far. If Boston had gone 6-3 in the last 9 instead of 9-0, NY is still in first place and I don't think this thread exists.

I'm not going to pretend to read SeanBerry's mind, but I'd think the timing of the thread has more to do with Colon, Jeter, Joba, and Martin being injured and the assumption that some of the healthy regulars are overperforming.

[maufman]

The MFY have been lucky on the pitching side -- they're 4th in ERA (3.59), but just 7th in tERA (4.23), plus their ERA-FIP difference is the league's 3rd-lowest (-0.20).

On offense, however, they have been a tad unlucky -- they have the AL's 3rd-worst BABIP (.277) and 4th-lowest LD rate (17.5%). They were above the median in both categories last season, so we'll probably see those rates improve the rest of the way.

For the first time since the season's opening weekend, the Red Sox look like favorites in the AL East. The MFY, however, are not only in the hunt; they're a better than even-money bet to make the postseason.

[jon abbey]

I'm not going to pretend to read SeanBerry's mind, but I'd think the timing of the thread has more to do with Colon, Jeter, Joba, and Martin being injured and the assumption that some of the healthy regulars are overperforming.

Joba is the only serious injury there, and as noted above, Jeter being out for a few weeks may actually help the team.

[glennhoffmania]

On offense, however, they have been a tad unlucky -- they have the AL's 3rd-worst BABIP (.277) and 4th-lowest LD rate (17.5%). They were above the median in both categories last season, so we'll probably see those rates improve the rest of the way.

Isn't is possible that they just aren't as good this year due to age and injuries so they're hitting fewer LD, which would lead to a lower BABIP?

And Jon, I don't think this is a Sox vs Yanks thread. The thread is pretty legit. NY hasn't looked great lately aside from three games against Cleveland, and if you combine that with the recent injuries some of the questions being posed are pretty valid, regardless of what Boston has done.

[nvalvo]

Joba is the only serious injury there, and as noted above, Jeter being out for a few weeks may actually help the team.

How about Bartolo Colon?

As I see it, he has

1) has been good enough this year that he's already been worth a ton more than the real-world replacement level, and
2) is old and fragile enough that any injury is a serious injury.

Of course, he's also the focus of a PED investigation. So his injury may lead to a SF-keeping-Jose-Guillen-off-the-playoff-roster scenario in any case.

[TheYellowDart5]

Joba is the only serious injury there, and as noted above, Jeter being out for a few weeks may actually help the team.

I would buy that Jeter being out would help if his replacement were someone other than Eduardo Nunez, who is awful at everything except running quickly in a straight line.

And SB, I should've said that this team is similar to but better than 2008, i.e., the second-worst team since 1992.

[Trlicek's Whip]

I'm in agreement that the Yankees aren't anywhere near sucky this year. Though I don't think this is a pile-on just because the Sox are on a winning streak either.

Joba is the only serious injury there, and as noted above, Jeter being out for a few weeks may actually help the team.

Obviously glass half-full vs. half-empty, but to be pessimistic:

1) Hughes, Soriano, & Feliciano returning from injuries are not slam-dunks to effectively bolster the rotation and bullpen when they return.
2) Jeter (as noted upthread) isn't the only battleaxe to have dings and dents. Martin and Posada may be circling that drain too. And for half-empty's sake, throw in A-Rod's hip despite his current performance.
3) Colon is a a mix of #1 and #2 given his age and fitness.
4) Despite his early success Freddy Garcia is not a quality pitcher, and didn't get supersized this off-season like Colon, so I'm not bullish on his junkballing to keep baffling hitters.

The Yankees can go get more arms and legs and bats by the trading deadline when they need to, so I think this thread's a bump in the road. Basically, they need another winter FA season in July - bullpen help, another starter, and probably another bench bat/DH.

Edited by Trlicek's Whip, 14 June 2011 - 04:20 PM.

[Clears Cleaver]

you have to think they will have a different RF or LF, three different pitchers amongst their starting rotation and top four relievers come august.

The big question for me is whether ARod wilts as the season goes on and if Granderson returns to being a 30HR guy, not a 50-HR guy. Cano should improve, but I am not sure anyone else in the lineup gets better on their own

Edited by Clears Cleaver, 14 June 2011 - 04:34 PM.

[jon abbey]

Trlicek, I think you need to reread the post I was answering again, I was only talking about the four players mentioned.

I would buy that Jeter being out would help if his replacement were someone other than Eduardo Nunez, who is awful at everything except running quickly in a straight line.

You may be right, but he's never had a chance to play every day or anywhere close until now. And Ramiro Pena should get some starts, he's certainly a big notch up on D. Also, Nunez/Pena will hit 8th/9th, not leadoff, so that is a bonus for NY right there.

[TFisNEXT]

I'll believe they are worse than even the 2008 team when I see it at the end of the season.


They have potential to really fall apart post-ASG if they continue to have injury/age issues and an August schedule from hell, but something tells me they'll make a big trade before that. It also seems like every time in the past 5 years we mention a brutal schedule stretch for the Yankees, they end up playing .650 ball during it.

[jon abbey]

FWIW, they are already done playing Detroit and will be done with Texas after tomorrow (BOS/TB each have two series left with TEX). They don't play PHI in interleague, so their only games against very good teams look like the ones with BOS (9 left) and TB (16 left!).

[abty]

Problem is the yankees have miserable July and Sept schedules - mostly road, to make up for their 100 home games. Those 2 points* we both make may offset.

* (the 'good team' vs home/road' arguments). This will be one interesting 2nd half to say the least.

[jon abbey]

They've played better on the road than at home so far, for whatever reason. Actually they have the best road winning percentage in baseball right now, .593.

[th@tkid]

How about Bartolo Colon?

Of course, he's also the focus of a PED investigation. So his injury may lead to a SF-keeping-Jose-Guillen-off-the-playoff-roster scenario in any case.

Why do people keep saying he is part of some active PED investigation? Last I knew MLB can't test for HGH (what his Dr at one point was accused of using in similar procedures) and the Stem cell therapy he used is not banned in MLB (I don't even believe it is illegal). I think a lot of people are making the leap that he is using PEDs but I have a hard time thinking that MLB is actively investigating anything surrounding that procedure since they can't test him for it anyway. Th Dr. Supposedly taped the procedure and by all accounts has been willing to discuss it with MLB. Would I be surprised if he did use PEDs, hell no, but I would be surprised if they could ever pin anything on him at this point which is why I do not believe they are actively investigating Colon. Now they may be actively investigating the procedure with an eye towards banning it but that wont impact Colon because it ws not banned prior nor was it illegal and he has been pretty honest about it.

[SeanBerry]

Why do people keep saying he is part of some active PED investigation? Last I knew MLB can't test for HGH (what his Dr at one point was accused of using in similar procedures) and the Stem cell therapy he used is not banned in MLB (I don't even believe it is illegal). I think a lot of people are making the leap that he is using PEDs but I have a hard time thinking that MLB is actively investigating anything surrounding that procedure since they can't test him for it anyway. Th Dr. Supposedly taped the procedure and by all accounts has been willing to discuss it with MLB. Would I be surprised if he did use PEDs, hell no, but I would be surprised if they could ever pin anything on him at this point which is why I do not believe they are actively investigating Colon. Now they may be actively investigating the procedure with an eye towards banning it but that wont impact Colon because it ws not banned prior nor was it illegal and he has been pretty honest about it.

We say it because it's true.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6530077
http://mlb.mlb.com/n...rtnerId=rss_mlb

Just google MLB investigates Bartolo Colon.

[th@tkid]

We say it because it's true.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6530077
http://mlb.mlb.com/n...rtnerId=rss_mlb

Just google MLB investigates Bartolo Colon.

Right where does it say he is being investigated for PEDs again? Says the surgery is being investigated because the Dr. has used it in the past, pretty sure I mentioned that. I have not seen anything that says Bartolo himself is being investigated for PED use and again its not like they can test him for the HGH even if it was used I think MLB is more concerned with the procedure then they are Bartolo.

matter of fact this article itself says the Dr. is being investigated by MLB not Bartolo.

http://articles.nyda...t-joseph-purita

Purita, who is being investigated by MLB, performed the procedure on Colon in the pitcher's native Dominican Republic, where steroids and HGH can be obtained legally and where MLB has had its hands full trying to eradicate many baseball abuses. Although Purita says he is "clean as a whistle" maintaining he never gave HGH to Colon it is one more instance in professional sports where the line between medical treatment to heal and recover and treatment for performance enhancement becomes a blurry one.

[NYCSox]

Good job guys. Why don't you compare them to the 1962 Mets? Then they'll score 20 runs instead.

[CHAOS]

Good job guys. Why don't you compare them to the 1962 Mets? Then they'll score 20 runs instead.

This reminds me of Ricardo's essay on why the Yankees were cooked, just before they destroyed the league in the second half on their way to the World Series in 09. They have the third best record in baseball, remind me again why they are terrible?

[Wingack]

I always love when these threads show up. The fact of the matter is the Yankees have more reasons to be optimistic than pessimistic going forward.

[Wake's knuckle]

They've played better on the road than at home so far, for whatever reason. Actually they have the best road winning percentage in baseball right now, .593.

The Red Sox have owned them in Yankee Stadium, for whatever reason. Throw that out (or even change it to 500, which is more fair considering the teams) and the numbers change a lot...

[TomRicardo]

This reminds me of Ricardo's essay on why the Yankees were cooked, just before they destroyed the league in the second half on their way to the World Series in 09. They have the third best record in baseball, remind me again why they are terrible?

Simply put you look at the roster and say this team sucks. Everyone is waiting for the pixie dust* to wear off. In 2009 the Yankees just kept getting away with their pitchers leaving base runners on. It was an 8 game swing of luck in their favor. That is ridiculous.

The Yankees had three and half starters in 09. Pettitte, Sabathia, Burnett, and Joba until he completely burned out.

Burnett had absolutely no control and walked everyone that year and kept getting away with it (hilariously walking less the next year and completely toasted)

Pettitte and Joba got away with the same shit. The bullpen numbers were even more lucky outside of Riveria and Hughes.

The were first team in a long time to get away with a 3 man rotation in the playoffs (this hadn't happen in forever).

Their hitting they had a lot of pixie dust years and stayed hot through the playoffs. It is funny because two years later Jeter, Posada, and Matsui absolutely cooked. ARod and Damon have dropped off. Swisher seems to have returned to career norms.

2009 was a magical year for the Yankees.


*Massive amount of HGH rotating in that locker room

[rembrat]

I always love when these threads show up. The fact of the matter is the Yankees have more reasons to be optimistic than pessimistic going forward.

Really? What are those reasons because from where I'm sitting that team is being held together by Teix, Granderson, Robertson, and Sabathia.

[jon abbey]

The Red Sox have owned them in Yankee Stadium, for whatever reason. Throw that out (or even change it to 500, which is more fair considering the teams) and the numbers change a lot...

OK, but they still have the best road winning percentage in baseball, and my point was that I'm not sure playing a lot of road games in August or whenever is such a big deal this year, since most other teams aren't especially good.

Basically I think if they can hold their own in their 16 remaining games against TB, it's pretty likely they'll make the playoffs. That is when the lack of top line pitching will likely hurt them, though.

[Rudy Pemberton]

Really? What are those reasons because from where I'm sitting that team is being held together by Teix, Granderson, Robertson, and Sabathia.

What about A-Rod (145 OPS+), Cano (126 OPS+), and Rivera (227 ERA+)?

The Yankees lineup has three guys that have been crappy (Jeter, Posada, Swisher); Sox have two (Crawford, Drew). Sox have had one great starter, two above average, two below average slots.

The biggest difference b/w the teams is the Sox have beaten the Yankees 8 of 9, obviously.

[rembrat]

Rodriguez is declining and will certainly finish the year with worse numbers than last year. Cano is back around career norms and Rivera is a given which is why I left him out.

The Yankees reel off a few wins against a team that historically sucks at YS and suddenly things all hunky dory, eh

[Rudy Pemberton]

A-Rod's numbers are actually better than last season, and in the context of league wide offense look even stronger.

I guess the point is just this; stack up the Yankees lineup by OPS+

156, 150, 135, 126, 111, 107, 98, 89, 78

and it's pretty good. Having four players that are at laest 25% better than league average (and only two spots that are truly poor) will lead to a pretty good offense.

The Red Sox seem to clearly be the class of the league; but what other teams look better than the Yankees?

[BucketOBalls]

The Red Sox have owned them in Yankee Stadium, for whatever reason. Throw that out (or even change it to 500, which is more fair considering the teams) and the numbers change a lot...

Sox have been an early peaking team the last few years. Sox went 5-1 against NYY in 2007 and 8-0 in 2009. Evened out a bit later in the year in both cases.


No way is this the worst team since 1992 though. Anyway, the next "worst" team is 2000 with 87 wins, and we know what happeend to them. I would be really surprised if this team has less than 87 wins. Really, less than 90 would pretty surprising actually unless they gets some more injuries to to players who are good(Jeter doesn't count).

[RingoOSU]

Sox have been an early peaking team the last few years. Sox went 5-1 against NYY in 2007 and 8-0 in 2009. Evened out a bit later in the year in both cases.


No way is this the worst team since 1992 though. Anyway, the next "worst" team is 2000 with 87 wins, and we know what happeend to them. I would be really surprised if this team has less than 87 wins. Really, less than 90 would pretty surprising actually unless they gets some more injuries to to players who are good(Jeter doesn't count).

Meh, I think those 11 wins in the post have to count for SOMETHING so the 2000 teams is a 98 win team.

[WayBackVazquez]

OK, but they still have the best road winning percentage in baseball...

Except for, like, the Red Sox.