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#1 Zomp


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 11:13 AM

Manchester United won their 19th title last campaign, overtaking Liverpool for the most domestic league titles. Considered by most as a rebuilding, they lost in the semi finals of the FA Cup, the Finals of the Champions League, and never looked back after taking over the league after the new year.

After a lackluster start to the season, Wayne Rooney came into form working in the trequartista role he played for most of his career before leading the line 2 seasons ago. A big reason for his reinvigorated play was the emergence of Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez. While I feel that most overrate him right now, there is no denying he is a great poacher in front of the net. Dimitar Berbatov started the season as the best player in the league...and even though it could be argued he never really suffered a severe dip in form, he was replaced as the first choice striker by Hernandez.

In the midfield, Paul Scholes has retired. Ryan Giggs is playing more centrally now but can still be placed on the left wing if needed. Michael Carrick had a strong season, while a virus kept Darren Fletcher out for half of the season. Anderson showed flashes of the brilliant upside he has, but also showed maddening inconsistency. Ji Sung Park, Nani, and Antonio Valencia played well on the wings.

After rumors of his season being over, Rio Ferdinand came back for the run in and formed the best defensive partnership in the Prem with Nemenja Vidic. Patrice Evra had a lackluster season by his high standards, while the twins patrolled right back with very good results. Chris Smalling was an underrated signing and performed brilliantly, while Jonny Evans regressed a bit.

Edwin Van Der Sar has retired. Anders Lindegaard was brought in, but with the backup keeper role more in mind than becoming the #1.


Where does all of that lead us coming into the new year? Finding a new keeper is the number one priority. The press seem to think we have Atletico's David De Gea wrapped up but he hasn't committed to anything yet. The popular theory is he is switching agents, and the new one wants the commission.

Other transfer targets include Ashley Young, Wesley Sneijder, Luka Modric, Jack Rodwell, and Samir Nasri.

Young looks to be on his way. I've been a fan of his for a while, and would love to see him get some time on the left for United. Liverpool are also interested though.

United have been linked with every creative midfielder for the past 3 years, so its no surprise that Sneijder, Modric, and Nasri are linked with us but this summer it does seem like the club wants to splash the cash. To me, Nasri is the most intriguing option as he is the youngest and only has a year on his contract. I can't see Arsenal selling one of their best players to United...but I guess stranger things have happened. Tottenham, who are notoriously tough negotiators, have already said Modric isn't for sale. Sneijder has been linked with us forever, but questions remain about his wages and character. Tom Cleverley will also return from loan and can play anywhere in the midfield.

It looks like we've signed Phil Jones from Blackburn. I haven't seen much of him, but at 19 years old he was impressive in his start against United last season. He can play center back, right back, or defensive midfield. Sounds like Jack Rodwell but younger.

Leaving the club could be a lot of players. Berbatov, Nani, Carrick, O'Shea, Evans, Kuszcak, Wes Brown, and Darren Gibson.

Berbatov and Carrick are linked with moves back to Spurs. Berba is also linked to every big European club needing a striker.

Nani has been linked to Italy. Some people think it would be nuts to sell him, but this blurb from an article on Soccernet sums up my feelings:

When you combine goals scored and assists, Nani had his most successful season for Manchester United but was on the bench in the Champions League final. His club's most effective player then, on statistics alone, yet he may well end up elsewhere for next season. If you ignore Glazernomics - sell him for £20 million and replace him with the cheaper Ashley Young - getting rid of the player makes sense. Nani, and there are other examples, is a kind of toxic player that does a side more harm than good.


Nani, a man with a statue in honour of his own existence in his house, scores or assists about thirty goals a season yet hinders his side in a number of ways. His sorry performance against Liverpool (when he cried), started a loss of form to epitomise United's failings.

Jamie Carragher's tackle was a disgrace, which didn't get the ban, and further ban, it deserved, but Nani embodied a new United, who could now be bullied. From the first championship winning side in 1993 until the day Cristiano Ronaldo was sold, United had a swagger that came from the knowledge of technical superiority, but also innate physicality. They could handle a stramash. But their midfield this season, where the game was lost to Barcelona, was so callow at times it was almost non-existent.

Nani's decision-making is clearly not up to scratch. His effectiveness has increased with experience but, for a player of 24, his choices are still teenage. Cristiano Ronaldo often shoots when he should pass, but Ronaldo is an excellent finisher. Nani, on the other hand, takes no account of his limitations and shoots simply because he wants to. He lacks the intelligence to consistently change games. That he was accommodated for so many games this season encouraged a complacency and, when there are such a large amount of young players developing at Old Trafford, he cannot be considered a senior player.

That is why Nani, with defects of indecision and ego, is toxic to Manchester United. Whether Ashley Young is a suitable replacement is academic, because he can't be any worse.


Brown, Gibson, O'Shea, and Kuszcak will all leave for more playing time if United get any bids for them.

United are also touring the US this summer.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 11:33 AM

Busy day. Skysports is reporting that Sunderland have offered 12 mil for Brown, Gibson, and O'Shea.
http://www.skysports...6971322,00.html

I'd like to see them keep O'Shea for cover, but what can you do.


I completely agree on Nani. He makes some incredibly stupid plays with the ball -- he's destined for less playing time anyways, now that Valencia should be healthy and what seems to be an inevitable move for Ashley Young.

Should be an interesting summer with all the player movement in and out. I'm guessing this will be the last major reshuffle of the Sir Alex era.

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 12:18 PM

In other news -

It now transpires that Ryan Giggs has been putting it about like a randy tom-cat - including with his brother's missus. (Well, he's always been described as a good 'family man')

Wayne Rooney has had a hair transplant.

Roll on the first away game of next season... :)

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 01:06 PM

The Giggs thing is of course disappointing, but I realized long ago to appreciate these guys for what they do on the pitch instead of off it.

The Rooney hair transplant thing: I thought he handled it perfectly. When the press started writing up stories about it, he announced it on twitter, said it was true, and took a picture of his scabbed scalp. Might as well admit it and get it over with.

Obviously I'll look like an idiot if he moves, but it seems as if last year he got some bad advice and was just angling for a new contract. Rio, John Terry, and Gerrard have all done it.

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 01:25 PM

One of the big rumors of the day is Nasri going to United. Sky reports that he's their top target and I've seen a rumor that he's going to make an annoucement about his future after the Poland friendly.

http://www.skysports...6976928,00.html

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Posted 09 June 2011 - 03:28 PM

Nasri and Cesc gone in one summer? Eesh.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 01:03 PM

If anyone can watch the U21 England v Spain game today, there are a lot of United players and targets playing.

Phil Jones, who depending on what you read may come to us today or tomorrow, or go to Liverpool.

Danny Welbeck, Chris Smalling, and Tom Cleverley.

and David De Gea, who is reportedly our top transfer target to replace VDS.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 06:50 PM

The Daily Mail is reporting that Jones is a done deal. Other clubs were interesting in bidding (the Mail says Liverpool bid 22M), but apparently the standard release clause language in England lets a player choose to sign with whatever team meets the release clause minimum bid. For Jones it was 16.5M.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:29 AM

Jones signs a 5-year deal with United

The more I think about this signing, I wonder if Jones is a Hargreaves replacement? Every article I've read says he can play in the midfield as well, and we already have 4 central defenders. Unless Jonny Evans is on his way out?

Though I guess if he is as talented as some people claim, you sign a guy like that no matter who you have in your squad.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 02:54 PM

Especially if he happens to be a target of your hated rivals.

Seems to be the case with Ashley Young, as well, considering you have Nani and Valencia to play the same position.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 03:02 PM

Its the same thing with Ashley Young though re: versatility.

Ferguson craves players who can adapt to a few positions. Young can play through the middle as well as on the left...I think he'd be a useful signing.


But yeah...I imagine the fact that Liverpool are interested make the deals happen quicker than expected.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 12:57 PM

Young having a medical.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:18 AM

Young signed. 20M

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:14 PM

So we get a guy who can beat the first man, deliver a great cross, is great on set pieces, and can also play through the middle. Whats not to like?


Sign De Gea and a center midfielder and lets play.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 08:39 PM

Scholes is the hardest of the '92 kids to replace. I don't think there's a midfielder available that is even close to Scholes at his peak. Maybe Sneijder, but I'm not sure he's available. Maybe you can try to steal Iniesta or Xavi as they are the only two comparable to Scholes at his peak.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 11:18 AM

The problem that I see is we aren't going to try and replace the Scholes of the past 5 years, the quarterback who would sit back and spray passes (Carrick can do that, just not as well). We are going to try and replace the Scholes of 10 years ago. The one who payed right behind the strikers, influencing games with his vision and passing, banging in goals. I'd be fine with getting any of Nasri, Modric, or Sneijder...but part of me wonders if Wayne Rooney will eventually just grab that position by the balls and own it. He has all of the attributes (his passing is very underrated), and actually played that role for the latter part of the season last year behind Chicharito.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:37 AM

De Gea having his medical. For better or worse, our new keeper looks 12 years old.

Spending up to 50 million pounds. Team looks to be set save for maybe a midfielder.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 01:15 PM

I hear Christian Paulsen is available........

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 01:20 PM

Alberto Aquilani, too!

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 03:57 PM

I'd happily take Aquilani off your hands if we could get him hypnotized to think he was in Italy.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 09:15 PM

De Gea having his medical. For better or worse, our new keeper looks 12 years old.

Spending up to 50 million pounds. Team looks to be set save for maybe a midfielder.


Well, he's only 20. Assuming he lives up to the hype, you just landed your keeper for the next decade.

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Posted 06 July 2011 - 12:19 PM

Wes Brown is off to Sunderland, and it looks like O'Shea may follow.

Not sure about Gibson.

Both were great servants to the club, and I think we'll miss O'Shea a lot more than people realize.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:01 PM

United beat the Revs 4-1 yesterday. Two goals from Macheda, one for Park (a nice chip), and Owen. Gillette had 51,000 in the stadium, with a very good atmosphere. Ashley Young played on the left while Nani was on the right. Young looked very good, very direct.


Fanboy story:

On Tuesday I had the opportunity to attend a Q+A with Diouf, Evra, Macheda, and Rafael. The whole thing last about an hour but they stayed after and tried to sign literally every autograph they could before security became agitated and shipped them off to training.

I also attended the training session. Gillette stadium was 5 rows deep with people, half of the stadium. After the training ended every player grabbed a sharpie out of their bag and starting from one end, started signing every bit of memorabilia they could. They posed for pictures, shook hands, signed, laughed. I got my jersey signed by the whole team, as did most people. Wayne Rooney was the last one in line and was 50 ft behind all of the other players because of how many things he signed.

It was nice to see.

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Posted 14 July 2011 - 05:01 PM

Watched a bit last night and I have to say that Young looked very good occupying the space wide. I'm not feeling good about your having picked him up.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:33 PM

So the preseason tour has wrapped up and United won every game, including their finale against Barcelona.

Its difficult to see how the lineup will shake out, especially with Chicharito still recovering from a concussion and Antonio Valencia (who just signed a new contract) and Fletcher back at Carrington trying to get in shape. The Community Shield is next week against City, so we should see a strong lineup. After that is the season opener away to West Brom.

De Gea has looked pretty solid in net and seems to have a calm presence. One thing I don't like is seeing him punch away corners. Just grab it.


Rumors in the Mail today saying Sneijder fee agreed and Berba could be on his way to PSG for 20 million GBP. Not sure what to believe regarding Sneijder, but as much as I love Berbatov that price is too good for someone in the final year of his contract on the wrong side of 30.

We'll see.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 07:09 PM

What did he say? Can't make it out.

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:57 AM

"You and your newspaper can fuck off"

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 10:52 AM

Something to think about...

Before Berbatov came on, the average age of the squad that dominated the second half of the community shield was 22.2 which would have made it the youngest Premiership team. Ashley Young and Wayne Rooney were the two oldest.

Obviously, you can't take away much in a glorified friendly...but the kids looked great and Ashley Young has settled in VERY nicely.

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 11:28 AM

I have never, ever seen a breakaway like that in a football game. I thought I was watching hockey for a moment there. I have no love for United, but that was pretty.

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 08:43 PM

Cleverley was fantastic when he came on in the half. I really think he's going to play a role this year.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:55 PM

United is out on Wesley Sneijder.

With 27-year-old Sneijder sitting right at the wrong end of United's age limit for new signings, Ferguson and chief executive David Gill have decided to walk away from a player who was demanding in excess of £200,000-a-week in wages.



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Posted 13 August 2011 - 05:19 PM

I'm pretty pumped about the Park extension to the end of the 2012/13 season. He's now the third highest on the squad for pay. He should deliver at least in big matches, and they can always extend him again if he's fit and delivering. He's always said he wants to retire at United. This should happen as long as he's healthy.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:11 PM

Good news: eek out a 2-1 victory over a pesky WBA side on the road when Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all draw.

Bad news? - Ferdinand injured (in other news, water is wet) and out for 6 weeks, Vidic injured calf and out for as much as four weeks, and Rafael out for 10 weeks with a dislocated shoulder sustained in training.

3/4 of the back line out for a significant amount of time. Sir Alex looks pretty good for anticipating the need for the next generation and nabbing Smalling and Jones (who has looked very good in limited action thus far) who will probably more than capable filling in along with Evans who looks better to the the few times I've seen him play lately.

Cleverly has looked good in spots but they really seem to be be lacking a creative force in the middle. Anderson doesn't look the part, Carrick's got a bum Achilles (and hasn't really looked the part either). IMO, not filling creative hole in the middle via transfer may be the biggest gamble Sir Alex makes this season (Lindegaard is more than capable of filling in if De Gea struggles).

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:43 PM

I'm pretty pumped about the Park extension to the end of the 2012/13 season. He's now the third highest on the squad for pay. He should deliver at least in big matches, and they can always extend him again if he's fit and delivering. He's always said he wants to retire at United. This should happen as long as he's healthy.


ManU makes most of the money on jersey sales, correct? If so, I assume Park will be part of the team until he decides to return home. The money he makes them probably helps pay Rooney's salary and covers whatever they owe Park himself.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 07:35 PM

They definitely make money on Park jersey sales, but he is still a big game player. I'd expect him to play when we need to trot out a defensive lineup.

Jones and Evans may partner in defense, but Smalling can also move from right back to center back and we could play Fabio and Evra as right and left backs. I'm guessing Monday we see Fabio-Smalling-Jones-Evra.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 10:44 PM

ManU makes most of the money on jersey sales, correct? If so, I assume Park will be part of the team until he decides to return home. The money he makes them probably helps pay Rooney's salary and covers whatever they owe Park himself.

The "Ji Sung Park is on Manchester United to sell jerseys" comment is just real old, and I'm getting really sick of hearing this again and again. Here are his main highlights from this past season:

6 November 2010 - EPL - Park scores both of the goals (second goal in the 93rd minute) against the Wolves.
13 December 2010 - EPL - Park scores an "angly" header against Arsenal, scoring the only goal of the match.
12 April 2011 - UEFA CL QF2 - Park scores in the 77th minute, giving everyone the confirmation that United will advance to the Semis.
8 May 2011 - EPL - Just watch his pass to Chicharito in the first minute of the match.

On top of this, he also captained Korea Republic in both the 2010 FIFA WC (bringing Korea Republic into the Round of 16 for the first time on foreign soil) and 2011 AFC Asian Cup (Korea Republic placed 3rd).

Why does Ferguson choose to play Park for big matches against big clubs? Because he is the oxygen tank of Manchester United. He runs literally everywhere on the pitch, works harder than any one else on the pitch, supports the strikers with critical passes, and scores critical goals. His techniques and goals may not be pretty, but he sure does anything and everything he can to help Manchester United win the matches he plays in.

Park became the first Asian footballer to start in a UEFA CL Final. He's played in 2 UEFA CL Finals in the last 10 seasons. To my knowledge, no American footballer has even been on the bench in a UEFA CL Final in the last 10 seasons (I'm simply choosing the States here, because most people on this board are Americans, and the States are bigger than Korea anyway with more money, stadiums, players, youth programs, etc. for football.). I still love you, Zomp and Sachmoney.

Park is in his 7th season with Manchester United. A club doesn't keep a player for 6 seasons if he doesn't deliver. If Manchester United really wants to sell jerseys, they can just bring in the best Chinese player out there. Actually, they already tried this with Dong Fangzhuo.

With all my respect, I really hope you see what Park has done for Manchester United and Korea Republic. He retired from Korea Republic after the AFC Asian Cup to stay with and continue to deliver for Manchester United as long as his knee and fitness allow him. He was able to extend one more year with Manchester United (until the end of the 2012-2013 season) directly because of his performance last season. This season, I am hoping that Park will sort of take on more of a leadership role on the squad with Giggs and enjoy what he loves the most: playing football with and for Manchester United.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 11:27 PM

Goyang, I know it's your role here to be the defender of all things Korea, and particularly Park, but I think you're taking a bit more offense than is warranted here. Nobody said he isn't a good player, just that his commercial appeal adds to the value he gives the team on the pitch.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 12:17 AM

Eu've been served, soxfan121

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 06:52 AM

Goyang, I know it's your role here to be the defender of all things Korea, and particularly Park, but I think you're taking a bit more offense than is warranted here. Nobody said he isn't a good player, just that his commercial appeal adds to the value he gives the team on the pitch.


Exactly - I never said anything about Park's ability as a player. I should have clarified that he's very good and that, plus his marketing & merchandising potential, allows him to be at ManU until he wants to leave. He clearly brings in a ton of revenue and because there's no such thing as "revenue sharing" all that $ ends up in ManU's bank account. That makes Park one of the five most valuable athletes in the world.

I didn't realize I was stepping on a raw nerve, goyangfc. I apologize if you read what I wrote as disparaging - it wasn't intended that way.

Edited by soxfan121, 18 August 2011 - 06:53 AM.


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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:16 AM

Goyang, I know it's your role here to be the defender of all things Korea, and particularly Park, but I think you're taking a bit more offense than is warranted here. Nobody said he isn't a good player, just that his commercial appeal adds to the value he gives the team on the pitch.

Exactly - I never said anything about Park's ability as a player. I should have clarified that he's very good and that, plus his marketing & merchandising potential, allows him to be at ManU until he wants to leave. He clearly brings in a ton of revenue and because there's no such thing as "revenue sharing" all that $ ends up in ManU's bank account. That makes Park one of the five most valuable athletes in the world.

I didn't realize I was stepping on a raw nerve, goyangfc. I apologize if you read what I wrote as disparaging - it wasn't intended that way.



Haha definitely not one of the five most valuable athletes in the world, and there clearly was a misunderstanding on my part, so I apologize for that.

Asian players are still very much undervalued, and to the rest of the world, there's still that automatic assumption that Asian players are bad, which is true a lot of the times, but very good Asian players are coming through these days, and I just get really offended when a player is doing well but people still only say "he's there to sell jerseys." I guess I'm just very sensitive to this "he's there to sell jerseys" comment.

There definitely is a reason why guys like Lee Chung-Yong (Recover In Peace) and Ki Sung-Yong are getting royal treatments from their respective clubs. And, I hope the newcomer on Sunderland (Ji Dong-Won) can adapt to the tough standards of English football.

Edited by goyangfc, 18 August 2011 - 09:17 AM.


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Posted 18 August 2011 - 12:26 PM

Haha definitely not one of the five most valuable athletes in the world, and there clearly was a misunderstanding on my part, so I apologize for that.

Asian players are still very much undervalued, and to the rest of the world, there's still that automatic assumption that Asian players are bad, which is true a lot of the times, but very good Asian players are coming through these days, and I just get really offended when a player is doing well but people still only say "he's there to sell jerseys." I guess I'm just very sensitive to this "he's there to sell jerseys" comment.

There definitely is a reason why guys like Lee Chung-Yong (Recover In Peace) and Ki Sung-Yong are getting royal treatments from their respective clubs. And, I hope the newcomer on Sunderland (Ji Dong-Won) can adapt to the tough standards of English football.


First - thanks for the response, no apology necessary.

Second, I think, because of your rightful offense to the "he's only there to sell jerseys" you're underestimating Park's true, global impact. The jerseys are a brand and as they spread, so does the brand. Hence, ManU gains much more than money from jersey sales OR Park's actual performance on the pitch. They gain an icon with marketing & merchandising power to strengthen their brand, gain more fans, who spend more dollars (or euros) to buy more ManU branded merchandise. Anyone wearing a Rooney jersey in Asia probably does so because of the ancillary effects of Park's influence. I'm not saying that's the only reason - just a part of the reason.

Park endorses products at home and around the Pacific Rim, yes? Now that Yao Ming is retired, is it a stretch to call Park the most famous, active Asian athlete around the globe? (I don't know - I'm asking). Yao's global marketing power was unprecedented at his peak. Unlike ManU jerseys, the ONLY reason there's Houston Rockets gear outside the USA is because of Yao. The economic impact of Yao for the NBA was enormous. Clearly, Park is not Yao Ming. But his economic impact for ManU, because of the different structure of ManU's business (as opposed to the central entity of the NBA) is huge. Therefore, I think he's one of the five most valuable athletes in the world. I could be wrong.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 06:54 PM

23.6

Thats the age of United's first 11 that beat Tottenham tonight 3-0. It's the second youngest starting eleven ever put out by United in a league game.

Danny Welbeck scored the first and assisted the second with a beautiful backheel to Anderson. Wazza with the 3rd from a Giggs cross.

Welbeck had a terrible first half but more than justified his inclusion in the lineup in the second. Ashley Young has settled in so nicely on the left flank, cutting inside and whipping crosses in.

Its hard to see how United can keep Berbatov if the plan on continuing to play with all of this pace in the lineup. The midfield pairing of Cleverley and Anderson covered every inch of ground there was tonight and Nani and Young kept changing positions. Things can happen quickly though, and he could see himself back to first choice if Chicharito and Welbeck struggle.

Phil Jones is a beast. Probably one of the best debuts ever in a United shirt and he's 19 years old.

As LTF mentioned in the gamethread, De Gea still looks uncomfortable.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 06:59 PM

23.6

Thats the age of United's first 11 that beat Tottenham tonight 3-0. It's the second youngest starting eleven ever put out by United in a league game.

Danny Welbeck scored the first and assisted the second with a beautiful backheel to Anderson. Wazza with the 3rd from a Giggs cross.

Welbeck had a terrible first half but more than justified his inclusion in the lineup in the second. Ashley Young has settled in so nicely on the left flank, cutting inside and whipping crosses in.

Its hard to see how United can keep Berbatov if the plan on continuing to play with all of this pace in the lineup. The midfield pairing of Cleverley and Anderson covered every inch of ground there was tonight and Nani and Young kept changing positions. Things can happen quickly though, and he could see himself back to first choice if Chicharito and Welbeck struggle.

Phil Jones is a beast. Probably one of the best debuts ever in a United shirt and he's 19 years old.

As LTF mentioned in the gamethread, De Gea still looks uncomfortable.


Do you think any midfield pairing you guys can come up with is good enough against a top team? Tottenham didn't exactly have active centermids out there.

Today's game was a fantastic one to watch for a neutral, up until Defoe and Lennon did their usual wasting of opportunities bit

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:07 PM

Well, last year we played almost every top team with Carrick and Giggs in the midfield and hung with the best of them. Rooney did play very deep as well.

I don't expect Cleverley to start in big games yet, as Carrick can sit in front of the defense and be a calming influence, but I definitely expect Anderson to have a big role this year.

I don't think Anderson-Carrick or in a 4-5-1 Anderson/Carrick/Fletcher isn't much worse than Chelsea and City's midfield. Don't forget Darren Fletcher as well, who was one of the best box to box midfielders in the Prem 2 years ago but suffered a stomach virus last year that kept him out for over half of the season.

Would I like us to sign a Modric/Nasri/Sneijder? Of course. I hope they do. But Rooney drops deep enough to control the game that if we don't I won't be too worried.

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Get down Sir Bobby!

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 01:21 PM

Everyone knows about the result yesterday, so I'll spare the gory details...but some food for thought:

The average age of United's starting eleven yesterday was actually younger than Arsenal's.

The new boys have settled in nicely, with Ashley Young being the pick of the group.

Through the first 3 games, it seems as if Ferguson wants to revert to the style of 07/08 where a front group of Nani (or Giggs), Rooney, Ronaldo, and Tevez would all change positions consistently with Ronaldo roaming all over the field and the other players switching to compensate him. This year Rooney, Welbeck, Ashley Young, and Nani have been doing it with Rooney as the focal point of the attack...drifting into spaces, conducting the other players, roaming freely.

With Welbeck's injury keeping him out for at least a month, it will be interesting if they keep the same tactic. While Chicharito is a great striker, and Berbatov a great playmaker, both are pretty settled in to their positions. Chicharito the matador poacher, and Berba the player who sits in behind the lead striker and uses his vision to influence games. I am sure both are capable of playing the way our attack has been playing, but Welbeck going on loan to Sunderland where he played up front and on the wing has helped his game so much. I'm still hoping Kiko will go on loan because when you play like Welbeck did it shows how much the player can grow.

It will be interested to see in the big games (City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Champions League) if he continues to play with 2 strikers or goes to one up front.

We still have yet to see Valencia or Fletcher. Talk about depth.

#48 soxfan121


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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:46 PM

Is Fletcher still suffering from malaria (or whatever illness he's been suffering for most of 2011)?

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 10:12 AM

Fletch is supposedly now fit and shined for Scotland on the international break. He may get some action now that Tom Cleverley broke his foot over a Kevin Davies tackle.

United win 5-0 to set a record for most goals scored in their first games of a Premier League season. Rooney x 3 and Chicharito x 2.

Phil Jones is fucking beast. Shifts over to right back and plays like a boss. In my opinion he's too good with the ball to be a defender. There were reports when we signed him that he could play in the midfield and I'd love to see him get a chance. If we play a 4-5-1 I could see Jones anchoring the midfield behind Cleverley (when fit) and Ando (who has also been great so far).

Benfica on Wednesday, followed by the first real test of the season, hosting Chelsea.

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Posted 14 September 2011 - 04:17 PM

If Berbatov can't even crack that lineup, what's the point of having him around?




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