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[cannonball 1729]

Nice play.

Any injury background here with Noe Ramirez? Those mechanics seem kind of rough - could those be smoothed out at all?

Yeah, he's a little too Inverted L/Inverted W for my liking. It surprises me - the Sox have usually stayed away from those sorts of arm actions, and the few cases where they've tried to correct one (like Wade Miller) haven't gone well.

[phragle]

No, of course not. I always watch the video and then read the reports, which are consensus by multiple scouts. It's not BA's personal list. I give it more weight than any other rankings.

You understand where I'm coming from with the hype an all right? This was supposed to be the draft to end all draft and it wasn't even close. It was still good. We still had a top 5 draft. It wasn't a monster though.

[SoxScout]

"Talking to people with the Major League Scouting Bureau, they have Cody projected to go anywhere from the sixth to the eighth round, and I've heard some scouts say as high as fourth (round)," UW-Stevens Point coach Pat Bloom said.

"Scott probably will be a late-round selection and could go anywhere from the 35th to the 50th round," he added.

Koback recently returned from a showcase event held at Commisky Park in Chicago in front of major league scouts.

The former Stevens Point Area Senior High athlete gave scouts plenty to see during the past season at the plate, as well as in center field and on the mound.

He went 6-1 as a starting pitcher with a 3.26 earned run average.

But Koback really caught the attention of scouts with his bat -- he hit a team-high .424 and eight home runs with a school-record eight triples.

In addition to his hitting ability, Koback has one more thing scouts are enamored with -- speed. He was clocked in 4 seconds running to first base out of the right-handed hitters box. The MLB average is 4.3 seconds.

http://www.wausaudai...names-MLB-draft

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Cody Koback is more toolsy than the typical Wisconsin position prospect. The 6-foot, 185-pounder has well above-average speed, though he's still learning to make the most of it on the bases and in center field. He makes consistent contact and has gap power from the right side of the plate, and his arm is solid. After an elbow injury limited him to nine games in 2010, he rebounded to bat .424/.516/.701 this spring. He proved himself against better competition last summer in the Northwoods League, where he hit .305 with wood bats.

[SoxScout]

You understand where I'm coming from with the hype an all right? This was supposed to be the draft to end all draft and it wasn't even close. It was still good. We still had a top 5 draft. It wasn't a monster though.

If we sign everyone we are going to spend a shit load of money. That's all Law said to expect.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

Edit: what he said

Edited by Jeff Van GULLY, 07 June 2011 - 02:39 PM.

[greek_gawd_of_walks]

From one UWSP Pointer to another, Congrats Cody Koback.

Edited by greek_gawd_of_walks, 07 June 2011 - 02:40 PM.

[gammoseditor]

You understand where I'm coming from with the hype an all right? This was supposed to be the draft to end all draft and it wasn't even close. It was still good. We still had a top 5 draft. It wasn't a monster though.

According to Frankie Piliere Swihart is the best HS bat in the draft and should stay at catcher. In most years Barnes is a top 5 pick. Most evalautors had Bradley around #20 in a crazy good draft until his wrist injury. Owens is a solid HS LHP who was drafted where he should have been. And they've added 3-5 toolsy guys today. I think you are severly underestimating the talent we got on day 1.

[Bigpupp]

It seems the less I post the better the picks get. Have a good day 2 everyone!

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

Has Boston drafted any Scott Boras clients yet?

[phragle]

According to Frankie Piliere Swihart is the best HS bat in the draft and should stay at catcher. In most years Barnes is a top 5 pick. Most evalautors had Bradley around #20 in a crazy good draft until his wrist injury. Owens is a solid HS LHP who was drafted where he should have been. And they've added 3-5 toolsy guys today. I think you are severly underestimating the talent we got on day 1.

No no no, im talking about day 2. I love day one, hell I called every pick!

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

According to Frankie Piliere Swihart is the best HS bat in the draft and should stay at catcher. In most years Barnes is a top 5 pick. Most evalautors had Bradley around #20 in a crazy good draft until his wrist injury. Owens is a solid HS LHP who was drafted where he should have been. And they've added 3-5 toolsy guys today. I think you are severly underestimating the talent we got on day 1.

I think his point was not to underestimate the Day 1 talent, but to lament that on Day 2, with a number of highly ranked signability guys available at multiple points in the early pat of the day, guys who would have gone in Day 1 otherwise, the Sox didn't jump at them.

[phragle]

I think his point was not to underestimate the Day 1 talent, but to lament that on Day 2, with a number of highly ranked signability guys available at multiple points in the early pat of the day, guys who would have gone in Day 1 otherwise, the Sox didn't jump at them.

Yeah exactly, thanks.

[gammoseditor]

No no no, im talking about day 2. I love day one, hell I called every pick!

My mistake, but I think the reasoning behind this is the money it's going to take to lock down Swihart/Barnes. They probably were looking for day 2 players in the 500k-1 million range and the guys they are passing on want more.

[nolasoxfan]

Have they? interesting. Dupra was the guy that started for ND when I was watching Barnes. He really caught my eye.

Meanwhile, TOR has drafted 13(!) HS players. Thirteen.

[ehaz]

Barnes and Owens shouldn't be tough signs. Bradley might cost a bit and the price for Swihart will be astronomical. I believe Owens was quoted saying that he expects to sign.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

I think his point was not to underestimate the Day 1 talent, but to lament that on Day 2, with a number of highly ranked signability guys available at multiple points in the early pat of the day, guys who would have gone in Day 1 otherwise, the Sox didn't jump at them.

I mean, what would you rather have? One guy that signs for $6-7M or six or seven guys that sign for $1M/each? It's all about probability.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

BA:

Chico State senior lefthander Kevin Brahney has a physical, 6-foot-4, 225-pound frame and showed good arm strength this season. His fastball sits in the 91-92 mph range and topped out at 94. He mixes in a firm curveball with tight rotation and late break. He needs to work on smoothing out his max-effort delivery, so he may wind up in the bullpen.

[phragle]

I mean, what would you rather have? One guy that signs for $6-7M or six or seven guys that sign for $1M/each? It's all about probability.

I'm not talking about Bell he is the only one that would want that much. Is there any master list that lists all the picks so far in order?

Plus this is an organization can can spend 82 mil on John Lackey! 3 million is nothing for Derek Fisher.

[SoxScout]

Kukuk and Golson both signable for about 1.2 per SP. Golson apparently has a meeting tonight with the Sox

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

I mean, what would you rather have? One guy that signs for $6-7M or six or seven guys that sign for $1M/each? It's all about probability.

But how many of the Day 2 guys Boston has drafted will even command $1M each? Maybe 2 or 3? Maybe a couple at $500k, and the rest are probably in the neighborhood of $250k or less.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

I'm not talking about Bell he is the only one that would want that much. Is there any master list that lists all the picks so far in order?

Plus this is an organization can can spend 82 mil on John Lackey! 3 million is nothing for Derek Fisher.

I've just been using the draft tracker, but BA has something similar.

Still though, I'd rather have Jerez/Ramirez/Golson than Fisher.

BA:

Righthander Deshorn Lake, whose school plays in the same district as Jake Cave's, is from the Virgin Islands and moved to the Tidewater region of Virginia as a high school junior. He has a live but raw right arm and strong, athletic frame at 6-foot-1, 200 pounds. He was sitting 92-93 mph this spring. He lacks command and secondary stuff, has a long arm stroke in the back and he doesn't repeat his release point well, so teams might be content to check on him again after three years at East Carolina.

[SoxScout]

He wants to sign to help out his family.

Edited by SoxScout, 07 June 2011 - 03:11 PM.

[phragle]

How old is Lake?

[TheGoldenGreek33]

He wants to sign to help out his family.

That's terrible. Funny, but terrible.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

How old is Lake?

18, he'll be 19 in October.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

Deshorn Lake







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With a long, lean body and high hips, Lake is physically projectable. He comes out of a semi-windup and does a fairly good job staying compact. He's coming out of a high 3/4 arm slot here and his arm action, though a little long through the back and occassionally catching up to his body, speeds up as he comes through his delivery and releases across his body. This helps Lake get some very nice late run on his fastball, which I very much liked and had at 89-92. In this look he occassionally failed to keep his arm up to speed with his body, got up, and lacked downhill. But he also showed some nice in-game adjustments to throw me some good downhill looks. When he did that, I put the gun down and just watched how well the ball came out of his hand. It was loose and easy. In time, Lake's best secondary weapon should be a slider, which flashes bite but needed more consistency when I last saw him. His change-up wasn't there yet, at 78. Conclusion: Physically projectable power sinker-slider type profiles as middle rotation ML starter or back-end bullpen arm. We shall see.

Edited by Jeff Van GULLY, 07 June 2011 - 03:16 PM.

[SoxScout]

That's terrible. Funny, but terrible.

"Trying to reach that level, make some money and help out my family." - http://www.washingto...0053003423.html

[phragle]

I've just been using the draft tracker, but BA has something similar.

Still though, I'd rather have Jerez/Ramirez/Golson than Fisher.

Not sure what there is to like about Ramirez, the soft tossing, inverted W time bomb. His stats will never translate.

[phragle]

18, he'll be 19 in October.

Good, he might grow.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Not sure what there is to like about Ramirez, the soft tossing, inverted W time bomb. His stats will never translate.

Above average/plus command, ground ball pitcher, plus change-up, outstanding track record.

Edited by TheGoldenGreek33, 07 June 2011 - 03:18 PM.

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

He wants to sign to help out his family.

How many kids does he have?

[TheGoldenGreek33]

"Trying to reach that level, make some money and help out my family." - http://www.washingto...0053003423.html

That's a touching quote, but is that his only goal? Just a signing bonus?

[Mystic Merlin]

How many kids does he have?

Christ.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

BA:

LSU's other veterans who could get drafted include righthanders Matty Ott and Kevin Berry and sinkerballer Ben Alsup. Ott has the best stuff of the trio, though he has never quite had the electric slider or premium command he had as a freshman, when he emerged as the closer on the national championship team and posted a 69-6 strikeout-walk ratio. Ott was healthy this season but threw just 28 innings and had more walks than he did as a freshman in 50 innings. His fastball sits in the average 88-92 mph range, and at 6-foot-2, 195 pounds, he's had durability issues since shouldering a heavy load en route to a championship in 2009.

[SoxScout]

That's a touching quote, but is that his only goal? Just a signing bonus?

Probably, since his family is from the islands and apparently needs money?

[phragle]

Oh good Matt Dean to drumroll please

TORONTO!!!!!

[LahoudOrBillyC]

How many kids does he have?

Really?

[SoxScout]

That English kid goes to Tampa. Played with PaulinMB's kid.

[phragle]

Christ.

Really?

I think that can read a few different ways

[TheGoldenGreek33]

That English kid goes to Tampa. Played with PaulinMB's kid.

JBJ's replacement at SC.

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

Funny how people were saying pre-draft that Boston would shatter the spending record, but it looks like there might be a few teams that go way beyond Boston.

[RedOctober3829]

Matty Ott is a good reach pick. He was tremendous with Raunado when they won the national title in '09. He had 16 saves and 69 K's and pitched to a 2.68 ERA in 50 IP. Had a good bounceback year this year. Save totals are down because LSU was not very good this year.

1-3 W-L
2.60 ERA
.229 BAA
27.2 IP
25 H
8 ER
27 K
7 BB
6 SVs

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Funny how people were saying pre-draft that Boston would shatter the spending record, but it looks like there might be a few teams that go way beyond Boston.

Potentially, sure. Just because they spend the most or took the highest ceilings doesn't mean they had the best draft.

[phragle]

Above average/plus command, ground ball pitcher, plus change-up, outstanding track record.

Oh, awesome. So he should do great until he gets to AA, then he'll get raped, but only right before he destroys his labrum or UCL. Great pick.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Senquez Golson = steal of day 2.

He is #28 on my big board.

Epical tools; should stick in CF.

[TimScribble]

Funny how people were saying pre-draft that Boston would shatter the spending record, but it looks like there might be a few teams that go way beyond Boston.

I think Toronto, Pitt and the Nats outspend them.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Maples to UNC, er, the Cubs.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Oh, awesome. So he should do great until he gets to AA, then he'll get raped, but only right before he destroys his labrum or UCL. Great pick.

There's definitely some funk in his delivery. But, you're assuming the Sox won't quiet it down when the sign him.

[TimScribble]

I'm out of here, gone for the rest of the day if anyone wants to take over the news thread. Good rest of the second round all.