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[nolasoxfan]

Lot of those guys gone already, actually.

Martin, Cone, Goeddel, and Walker from Hitters, and Fulmer, Linsky, Musgrove, and Johnson from Pitchers have all been selected.

Delmonico taken by O's.

[phragle]

BAH. I wanted Austin Wood. they took him way before I would have though

[TheGoldenGreek33]

There goes Fisher.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Miguel Pena.

Texas takes Fisher two picks later.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

Miguel Pena, LHP from TX is the Sox pick.

Fisher goes to the Rangers.

edit: and Osich goes to San Fran.

Edited by Jeff Van GULLY, 07 June 2011 - 01:57 PM.

[TimScribble]

There goes Fisher.

[phragle]

There goes Fisher.

He was my last hope. Ok that is a hyperbole.

Edit: FCK OSICH

Edited by phragle, 07 June 2011 - 01:58 PM.

[nolasoxfan]

Fisher to TEX.

[TimScribble]

Annnd Osich.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

BA, 2010:

Lefthander Miguel Pena declined to sign with the Nationals as a fifth-round pick out of high school a year ago, and he has been the same pitcher as a freshman at San Jacinto JC this spring. He hasn't added any strength to his 6-foot-2, 160-pound frame, and he still works at 88-91 mph early in games before losing velocity in the middle innings. He has a clean delivery that he repeats well, and he throws a decent curveball and changeup. He doesn't have a plus pitch but he's a polished lefthander, and he'll probably go around the same spot again in the draft.

[Bigpupp]

Fuck, there goes Osich

[Jeff Van GULLY]

From a year ago.

He throws his fastball in the 87-88 range now, and could sit around 90 when he physically matures. He complements the heater with a plus 74-76 mph curveball with hard two-plane break that flummoxes lefties and righties alike.

Edited by Jeff Van GULLY, 07 June 2011 - 02:01 PM.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

More on Mookie:

Betts was the top signee for the embattled Tennessee program, which was headed for last place in the Southeastern Conference. He could be a college difference-maker for his hitting ability, speed and solid athleticism, the last of which helped him be an all-conference basketball player and the state's boys bowler of the year in 2010. The question was whether any of Betts' tools was a carrying tool. He's an above-average runner but not a true burner. However, he has good baserunning instincts, and his running ability should play in pro ball offensively. Some scouts believe the speed will play better defensively and want to shift him to cente rfield. Others believe his solid first-step quickness and quick-twitch athleticism give him a chance to stay in the infield, though more likely at second base than at short. He has some footwork issues to iron out to stay in the dirt. Betts has good hitting fundamentals and has excellent makeup and intangibles.

Fuck it, dude. Let's go bowlin'.

[phragle]

Brian Dupra, good pick #Nats #bestdraft

[phragle]

I am not liking day 2 at all. Oh well.

Edit Lopes is gone now, stick a fork in this one.

Edited by phragle, 07 June 2011 - 02:05 PM.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

They're dropping like flies. There goes Lopes.

[TimScribble]

I am not liking day 2 at all. Oh well.

I'm with ya, it started with Bell going to Pitt and then downhill from there.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Another LHP

[TheGoldenGreek33]

154. Cody Kukuk, lhp, Free State HS, Lawrence, Kan.
In addition to being the best athlete in the draft, Bubba Starling is also the best high school pitcher in Kansas. Among those whose future will be on the mound, however, Kukuk stands out. He's a projectable 6-foot-4, 190-pound lefthander whose best days are ahead of him. For most of the spring, he pitched at 88-91 mph with good armside run on a fastball that has reached 93 in the past. He also shows a hard slider at times, though it gets slurvy. His changeup is a work in progress. Kukuk's biggest need is consistency, as his release point varies and affects the quality of his pitches and his control. In an effort to throw more strikes, he tried using a more compact delivery, frustrating scouts who wanted to see him cut loose as he had in the past. Though he's far from a finished product, loose and athletic lefties with quality arms are hard to ignore. A Kansas recruit, he could get popped as early as the third round.

[nolasoxfan]

Brian Dupra, good pick #Nats #bestdraft

NATs have gone all college and Juco.

[phragle]

I'm with ya, it started with Bell going to Pitt and then downhill from there.

I think the Sox must think there won't be hard slotting next year. Otherwise there is no excuse passing up all those great signability guys.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

From a year ago

Two grand slams, a two-run home run, 10 RBIs. One blown-away crowd that included a scout from the Washington Nationals, who had his fastball clocked from 87 to 91 mph a couple of weeks ago, before Kukuk turned 17.

The beauty of Kukuk’s decision — should he pitch or should he hit — is that it doesn’t need to be made yet.

“I just want to keep doing both for as long as I can,” said Kukuk, 6-foot-4, 195-pound growing boy.

Kukuk has committed orally to Kansas University. He said he wants to go to college to pursue a degree. If he keeps improving, particularly as a pitcher, and the scouts keep liking what they see, he could reconsider that, but he says he’s not worried about it, and he says it a soft-spoken way that lends it credibility.

For now, he focuses on becoming a more complete player, a smoother right fielder with better footwork, and a more polished pitcher, developing his offspeed pitches. He said the work he does with personal trainer Tyler Naylor “four or five times a week” in the offseason makes him a better pitcher and hitter.

“We do a lot of stuff to make my legs stronger,” he said. “My legs were very weak, and I can really tell the difference. And I do a lot of shoulder exercises.”

The guess here is that if he continues to increase his velocity, as his high school coach, Mike Hill, believes he will, major-league scouts will want to look at him as a pitcher first. If so, here’s hoping he gets drafted by a National League team. The swing is just too sweet for it to get wrapped in mothballs at such a young age.

Also...

The grapevine has it that Kukuk’s initial bonus request will be in the neighborhood of $1.2 million. That doesn’t mean he won’t negotiate down from there, but it does mean he’s not going to be susceptible to a wink-and-nod deal.

[phragle]

NATs have gone all college and Juco.

Have they? interesting. Dupra was the guy that started for ND when I was watching Barnes. He really caught my eye.

[Rough Carrigan]

More on Mookie:




Fuck it, dude. Let's go bowlin'.

The Mook abides.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

We really must be a spoiled as fans if you guys are disappointed with the Sox draft so far.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

107. Senquez Golson, of, Pascagoula (Miss.) HS
Golson plays at the alma mater of Terrell Buckley, a former NFL defensive back who also played outfield at Florida State, and Buckley has worked with him throughout his high school career. Golson is also a two-sport athlete and has a football scholarship to Mississippi. Golson is an electric athlete with plus-plus speed (4.0 seconds flat to first base), present strength, broad shoulders and physical ability to burn. Apart from his athleticism, his best tool is his bat. He generates tremendous bat speed and has a short, compact swing in his 6-foot frame. With more experience, he could generate above-average power. He's raw but no more than other high school hitters, and scouts praise his high school coaches for helping polish Golson's game. Mississippi plans on having him play center field, and he has average arm strength. That said, football has been his primary sport, and he doesn't have a lot of experience against top pitching. He didn't fare well against Mississippi's top prep pitcher, Hawtin Buchanan, a fellow Ole Miss signee. Rebels football coach Houston Nutt has talked up Golson in the spring, saying he'll start at cornerback in the fall, and Golson's signability ultimately will determine where he goes in the draft.

[Bowlerman9]

Love the Golson pick!

[SoxScout]

Sanquez should play for the Patriots too: http://espn.go.com/v...clip?id=5225255

[phragle]

We really must be a spoiled as fans if you guys are disappointed with the Sox draft so far.

I'm disappointed with day 2, not day 1.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

Senquez Golson is a two-sport athlete




Edit:

Golson could go even earlier than Robbins, as scouts have fallen in love with the speed and athleticism that led him to sign with Ole Miss as a cornerback in football. The 5-10, 180-pound Golson batted .325 with three homers, 23 RBIs and 16 steals as Pascagoula's center fielder in 2011. He is rated among the top 50 high school players in the country by both Baseball America and ESPN.com's Keith Law.

Golson, who turned 18 in July, has said repeatedly that he plans to suit up in both sports for Ole Miss in the fall but would consider any professional baseball offer before making a final decision. Since his football career gives him leverage during baseball contract negotiations, he could command a six- or seven-figure signing bonus usually reserved for players drafted much earlier.

"He'll be drafted high because of his talent, but the thing with him is, (teams) are not sure how bad he wants to play baseball," the NL scout said. "He can fly and has some really good wrists. He'll really strong in his hands and has a quick bat, but he's not really a polished hitter yet. If he had Robbins' discipline at the plate, he'd definitely be first-round material."

Edited by Jeff Van GULLY, 07 June 2011 - 02:21 PM.

[SoxScout]

[TheGoldenGreek33]

The Sox have taken the following of BA's Top 200 on day two:

53 - Jerez
93 - N. Ramirez
107 - Golson
154 - Kukuk
188 - Weems

On top of Barnes (13), Swihart (17), Owens (33), Bradley Jr. (34)

I have my personal favorites, too. But, the Sox know a lot more about these guys than we do. These guys aren't nobodys.

Edited by TheGoldenGreek33, 07 June 2011 - 02:23 PM.

[SoxScout]

The Sox have taken the following of BA's Top 200 on day two:

53 - Jerez
93 - N. Ramirez
107 - Golson
154 - Kukuk
188 - Weems

On top of Barnes (13), Swihart (17), Owens (33), Bradley Jr. (34)

What a letdown

[SoxScout]

Ole Miss people are freaking out on twitter

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Ole Miss people are freaking out on twitter

I give it up to diehard college baseball fans. I could not do it.

Texas fans have to be even worse.

[phragle]

Maples or Garrett

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Toronto is absolutely killing it, though.

[SoxScout]

I give it up to diehard college baseball fans. I could not do it.

Texas fans have to be even worse.

It's SEC football fans

Edited by SoxScout, 07 June 2011 - 02:27 PM.

[TimScribble]

I realize the Sox are selecting some players that I dont recognize but are pretty good. I just feel like being one of those reactionary fans.

[SoxScout]

we already drafted shaw: http://www.recordher...130&tm=8345.394

[The Boomer]

Love the Golson pick!

If he signs, he could be their best amateur to come out of Mississippi since the original Boomer was scouted and signed in those last years (the early 60's) before the advent of the draft.

[gammoseditor]

Keith Law is chatting now.

Dave (Boston)


Now the Red Sox tab Golson, between him and Kukuk, feeling any better about their second day actions? How much would those two take to sign do you think?

Klaw (3:22 PM)


Yes, much more typical of their recent drafts. I don't know signability on either kid other than that both are signable at some non-insane number.

Jason (State College)


Your best guess, how much will it take for Josh Bell to sign?

Klaw (3:25 PM)


The sense I've gotten is that $6-8 million wouldn't do it.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

Travis Shaw, 3B, Kent State

Scout Video

More video

I really like this kids swing.

Edited by Jeff Van GULLY, 07 June 2011 - 02:33 PM.

[phragle]

The Sox have taken the following of BA's Top 200 on day two:

53 - Jerez
93 - N. Ramirez
107 - Golson
154 - Kukuk
188 - Weems

On top of Barnes (13), Swihart (17), Owens (33), Bradley Jr. (34)

I have my personal favorites, too. But, the Sox know a lot more about these guys than we do. These guys aren't nobodys.

I'm definitely not going to base my opinion on one list. I'm not that naive. Part of being indefinitely disappointed was the pre-draft hype. The FO knows something about next years draft that we don't.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

we already drafted shaw: http://www.recordher...130&tm=8345.394

Good call. Nice little lefty stroke. I doubt he sticks at 3B, though.

[TimScribble]

Winkler just went to Arizona.

[SoxScout]

Senquez Golson: "We might can get something done. If not, I'll try again in 3 years."

https://twitter.com/#!/chaseparham/status/78181848441823232

Edited by SoxScout, 07 June 2011 - 02:33 PM.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

I'm definitely not going to base my opinion on one list. I'm not that naive. Part of being indefinitely disappointed was the pre-draft hype. The FO knows something about next years draft that we don't.

No, of course not. I always watch the video and then read the reports, which are consensus by multiple scouts. It's not BA's personal list. I give it more weight than any other rankings.

[phragle]

Keith Law is chatting now.

I got the same feeling, but I'm glad KLaw thinks that about Bell too.

[Sox Pride]

FWIW
KLAW has Kooky and Ghoul's son at 62 and 61 respectively