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2011 MLB Draft Game Thread: Day 2


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#101 Midre Cum Ingz

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:18 PM

Want Derek Fisher so we can add a 2nd player from the Lakers.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:19 PM

johnmanuelba John Manuel
#RedSox take portfolio approach to C with Jordan Weems, whose older brother's in pro ball; lanky, lean, plus arm, good swing path



#103 ScubaSteveAvery


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:20 PM

It's not unheard of.

/prospect love

Edit: And one closer to home...

And another.


Looking around, it is more prominent than I thought. The two you've mentioned (I knew Mauer was tall) but Wieters is 6'5" too. Posada is 6'2" as well.

#104 RedOctober3829


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:20 PM

Yankees select Cote from NH.

#105 mabrowndog


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:20 PM

Story on Weems with video

Nice LH batting stroke, looks pretty damned good going to the opposite field.

Needs some major dental work.



#106 phragle


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:20 PM

FUCK

#107 DaubachmanTurnerOD

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:21 PM

Protected from what?

You only get compensation for failure to sign first round picks, not supplemental, 2nd, or 3rd rounders.


Yeah, this was my question. I couldn't recall.

Though Bigpupp will always be in my heart for responding so promptly, I will choose to believe that you are right because a) that's what my recollection was, and b) by forming a longer sentence, you sound more authoratative (not always the rule, but it is so in this case).

Thanks for the re-clarification.

#108 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:21 PM

Like I said, be afraid of the Rays.

#109 Snodgrass'Muff


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:21 PM

Looking around, it is more prominent than I thought. The two you've mentioned (I knew Mauer was tall) but Wieters is 6'5" too. Posada is 6'2" as well.


Tex is 6'2 if we're going down an inch. It really isn't all that rare.

#110 LahoudOrBillyC


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:21 PM

Looking around, it is more prominent than I thought. The two you've mentioned (I knew Mauer was tall) but Wieters is 6'5" too. Posada is 6'2" as well.

There is also one honored on the right-field facade at Fenway Park.

#111 th@tkid

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:22 PM

Story on Weems with video

Nice LH batting stroke, looks pretty damned good going to the opposite field.

Needs some major dental work.



that is probably the funniest (only?) thing you have ever said on here that stuff should be part of the draft write ups... needs proactiv, has more teeth than a shark, etc

#112 Midre Cum Ingz

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:22 PM

Looking around, it is more prominent than I thought. The two you've mentioned (I knew Mauer was tall) but Wieters is 6'5" too. Posada is 6'2" as well.


Varitek and Salty are both 6'4.

#113 5050HindSight

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:22 PM

In a chat yesterday (I think), Kevin Goldstein said that baseball should allow trading of picks, but that hard slotting would "kill baseball." (He said there would be a follow up article explaining his position.)

Has anyone heard that position/argument before? Do you know how the theory goes?


If you are good at multiple sports, but can "only" get a slotted 250K (let's say) from where you are drafted in baseball, you go on to college and play football or basketball or whatever instead. In other words, more athletes would steer away from baseball instead of towards it if you knew you could cash in at an earlier age.

Something like that.

I like Goldstein (which judging from others, I'm probably in the minority) but I think his comments are a bit hyperbolic.

#114 Bigpupp

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:24 PM

Yeah, this was my question. I couldn't recall.

Though Bigpupp will always be in my heart for responding so promptly, I will choose to believe that you are right because a) that's what my recollection was, and b) by forming a longer sentence, you sound more authoratative (not always the rule, but it is so in this case).

Thanks for the re-clarification.




It's the first three rounds. This year the Seattle Mariners got compensation pick #121 for failure to sign Ryne Stanek from last years 3rd round.

Edited by Bigpupp, 07 June 2011 - 12:25 PM.


#115 Wingack


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:25 PM

Cote sounds interesting:

In the high school ranks, righthander Jordan Cote, at 6-foot-5 and 205 pounds, has a projectable frame that scouts dream about. His fastball sits at 88-90 mph and touches 92, and adding strength and pitching in warmer weather should help bump his velocity, especially because he has great hand speed. His arm action is clean, but his mechanics need to be refined, as he has long levers and is still growing into his body. Inability to repeat his delivery restricts him from throwing a consistent breaking ball. Cote has better feel for his curveball than his slider, though he shows the ability to spin the ball. He hasn't needed to throw his changeup and it's a work in progress. For his size more than his stuff, Cote has drawn comparisons to Chris Carpenter, One scout said Cote has the highest ceiling of any pitcher in the Northeast. He should get taken between the eighth and 12th rounds, with late-spring buzz that he could be going higher.



#116 Snodgrass'Muff


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:25 PM

Varitek and Salty are both 6'4.


Where are you seeing Tek at 6'4? I keep seeing him listed at 6'2 wherever I look.

#117 cahlton

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:27 PM

Varitek and Salty are both 6'4.


Really? Varitek is "officially" 6'2. That said, I'm 5'10 and I've stood beside him at Fenway and he's at least a full inch shorter than me.

#118 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:27 PM

Osich, Winkler, Fulmer top three pitchers remaining.

Dean, Brandon Martin, Derek Fisher top three hitters remaining.







#119 Carl Everetts Therapist


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:27 PM

Just joining the frey.... So who are the big names left? Did Osich go yet?

#120 mabrowndog


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:28 PM

Another story on Weems

#121 SoxScout


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:28 PM

Osich, Winkler, Fulmer top three pitchers remaining.

Dean, Brandon Martin, Derek Fisher top three hitters remaining.


Winker probably had a major arm injury a few nights ago. Osich has health concerns.

#122 LeftyTG

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:29 PM

I'd be surprised if Purke signs. He should go back to TCU and pitch his senior year and shows that he's healthy. Could be a Raunado and go to the Cape and pitch, but he's not nearly as healthy as Raunado was at this point last season.

Purke is actually a draft eligible sophomore, so he can go back to TCU, show he is healthy and be drafted again as a junior and still maintain some draft leverage.

#123 Carl Everetts Therapist


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:30 PM

wow the Nats are killing it... I think Arizona and Toronto are doing well too

#124 Snodgrass'Muff


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:30 PM

Winker probably had a major arm injury a few nights ago. Osich has health concerns.


At what point does Osich fall far enough that the health concerns are outweighed by the value that a team feels it can get from the pick?

#125 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:31 PM

At what point does Osich fall far enough that the health concerns are outweighed by the value that a team feels it can get from the pick?

Not far, considering he came back very strong.

#126 phragle


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:32 PM

Osich, Winkler, Fulmer top three pitchers remaining.

Dean, Brandon Martin, Derek Fisher top three hitters remaining.

Still available?
Amir Garrett
Christian Lopes
Granden Goetzman

Edited by phragle, 07 June 2011 - 12:32 PM.


#127 5050HindSight

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:32 PM

It's the first three rounds. This year the Seattle Mariners got compensation pick #121 for failure to sign Ryne Stanek from last years 3rd round.


Wow... my bad. I had thought it was only the first round, but it appears that you are correct.

First and Second round, you get a pick 1 greater than your unsigned pick. (Ie: if you didn't sign your 1st rounder taken 10th, you get the 11th pick next year). If you fail to sign your Third round pick, you get a sandwich pick between the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Learn something new everyday, it appears.

#128 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:32 PM

Dillon Maples also still on the board.

#129 phragle


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:33 PM

Not far, considering he came back very strong.

He left his game sunday with elbow tightness

#130 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:33 PM

Still available?
Amir Garrett
Christian Lopes
Granden Goetzman

Goetzman was taken by the Rays at 75.

#131 Carl Everetts Therapist


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:33 PM

I hope the sox go with Lopes or Martin at 142

#132 Bigpupp

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:34 PM

Still available?
Amir Garrett
Christian Lopes
Granden Goetzman


I SERIOUSLY doubt that Amir Garrett signs, but damn, it's easy to dream on him.

#133 Carl Everetts Therapist


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:34 PM

Dillon Maples also still on the board.


Yeah that's right... wasn't Maples linked to the sox at one point?

#134 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:34 PM

He left his game sunday with elbow tightness

Did not know that. Thanks.

#135 Jack Sox

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:34 PM

Really? Varitek is "officially" 6'2. That said, I'm 5'10 and I've stood beside him at Fenway and he's at least a full inch shorter than me.


There's literally no way this is true.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:35 PM

Goetzman was taken by the Rays at 75.


Bitch, now I'm pissed.

Lopes please.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:35 PM

He left his game sunday with elbow tightness


supposedly precaustionary though so hopefully he's oK

#138 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:35 PM

Yeah that's right... wasn't Maples linked to the sox at one point?

Yep.

#139 phragle


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:35 PM

I SERIOUSLY doubt that Amir Garrett signs, but damn, it's easy to dream on him.


I'd pick him and trade him to the celtics

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:37 PM

Hey so does anyone know what the deal was with Speck? was he declared ineligible?

#141 phragle


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:37 PM

Can't believe Martin and Fisher are still around

#142 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:38 PM

Hey so does anyone know what the deal was with Speck? was he declared ineligible?

Correct. Ineligible.

#143 Bigpupp

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:39 PM

I'd pick him and trade him to the celtics


I laughed....

#144 Midre Cum Ingz

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:39 PM

Really? Varitek is "officially" 6'2. That said, I'm 5'10 and I've stood beside him at Fenway and he's at least a full inch shorter than me.


That's weird. You guys are right. I'm positive he used to be listed at 6'4. They changed it.

They also exaggerate the heights like crazy.

I'm 5'8/5'9 and I met Prince Fielder...same exact height as me, yet he's listed at 5'11.

Gio Gonzalez mysteriously grew an inch this year. Same with Cahill and Romero.

#145 Snodgrass'Muff


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:39 PM

With Toronto being so aggressive early on, I wonder if they'll take a chance on Osich?

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:40 PM

Jerez:

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I mentioned it in another thread, but please forgive the repetition... my son induced Jerez into a ground out this year.

I'm no kind of pro evaluator, but I did see him play 3 times. While he was likely the best senior player I saw this year in NYC, it wasn't like he was otherworldly dominating. [I like two juniors more.] He is clearly quite an athlete -- I found the pre-games throws he took from the outfield more impressive than his pre-game BP (which was pretty noteworthy itself, needless to say).

He came from the Dominican to Grand Street where he played last year as a Freshman. This year, allegedly because of a new and improved transcript that showed up, he played as a Senior. Not the normal aging direction for players from the Dominican... but fishy at any rate.

Not that it means anything at all, but he appeared to be a nice enough kid -- paying attention in handshake lines and the like while many of his teammates were busy congratulating only each other.

I am highly confident he has zero interest in pursuing college.

At any rate, because he's a city kid (kind of), because my kid got him to bounce out to third, because he told the MFY his first allegiance was to Pedro and Papi -- here's to you, Williams.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:41 PM

A's love the Cal Poly San Luis Obispo program. Took Desme a few years ago and now Crocker. The program doesn't get consistent play by a lot of other teams.

#148 TheGoldenGreek33

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:42 PM

I mentioned it in another thread, but please forgive the repetition... my son induced Jerez into a ground out this year.

I'm no kind of pro evaluator, but I did see him play 3 times. While he was likely the best senior player I saw this year in NYC, it wasn't like he was otherworldly dominating. [I like two juniors more.] He is clearly quite an athlete -- I found the pre-games throws he took from the outfield more impressive than his pre-game BP (which was pretty noteworthy itself, needless to say).

He came from the Dominican to Grand Street where he played last year as a Freshman. This year, allegedly because of a new and improved transcript that showed up, he played as a Senior. Not the normal aging direction for players from the Dominican... but fishy at any rate.

Not that it means anything at all, but he appeared to be a nice enough kid -- paying attention in handshake lines and the like while many of his teammates were busy congratulating only each other.

I am highly confident he has zero interest in pursuing college.

At any rate, because he's a city kid (kind of), because my kid got him to bounce out to third, because he told the MFY his first allegiance was to Pedro and Papi -- here's to you, Williams.

Thanks. How is the competition in the area? He hit .690.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:44 PM

Still on the board, I think:

41 Josh Osich, lhp
46 Dillon Maples, rhp
54 Matt Dean
62 Charlie Lowell
66 Derek Fisher
72 Tyler Marlette

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:45 PM

Your mircophone has aids, fix it!