485 replies to this topic

[glennhoffmania]

Wow, really? It didn't look like a big deal at all. I figured maybe a day off and then back to the quest for 3,000.

[BroodsSexton]

Like Moses to the Israelites, God will not let the great Derek Jeter enter the promised land of 3,000 hits.

[glennhoffmania]

I think this is all a big ploy to get him to 3,000 at home once they realized he wasn't going to do it on the current home stand.

[jon abbey]

Grade 1 strain, I'm pretty excited to see lineups without him at the top for a while. Maybe they'll just hold him out until the next homestand...

[Montana Fan]

"Time the fuck out. I'm not injured until I say I'm injured." Jetes

[NYPD Red]

I will be at Wrigley Field this Saturday and am very excited to see Eduardo Nunez' quest for his 30th career hit.

[Grunherz54]

Like Moses to the Israelites, God will not let the great Derek Jeter enter the promised land of 3,000 hits.

That won't stop Yankees fans from worshiping his Golden Calf.

[E5 Yaz]

That won't stop Yankees fans from worshiping his Golden Calf.

Veal.

[Mike Greenwall]

That won't stop Yankees fans from worshiping his Golden Calf.

And a big tip for the waitress. Well done.

[Meff Nelton]

Gotta say it. Told my brother on the ride home from the Stadium that I wouldn't really have been all that upset if the injury were career-ending (provided adequate insurance, of course.) Even at 2,994 hits.

This is only the beginning of the ugliness at the end for Jeter. I can't even imagine how bad he's gonna be in two years, but I suspect he'll still get 400 ABs. Things like that can swing a division on their own.

[acf69]

Put me in the camp who thinks the MFY/CI want to have hit #3,000 happen at the toilet. Besides that, it should make the MFY better as they can move his replacement down the order.

[abty]

Grade 1 strain, I'm pretty excited to see lineups without him at the top for a while. Maybe they'll just hold him out until the next homestand...

Does anybody doubt this? I swear I was joking to myself if he can't make it he'll get a phantom injury til the next homestand.

*Edit: Apparently I am not alone with this thought.

Edited by abty, 14 June 2011 - 05:04 AM.

[derekson]

Does anybody doubt this? I swear I was joking to myself if he can't make it he'll get a phantom injury til the next homestand.

*Edit: Apparently I am not alone with this thought.

Why would the phanton injury occur with 3 days left on the homestand? This makes no sense at all.

[Average Reds]

Why would the phanton injury occur with 3 days left on the homestand? This makes no sense at all.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the injury here is not real. They are suggesting that the injury is not significant in any respect other than it likely ended his quest to reach 3,000 hits during this homestand. Therefore, it has morphed into something that will require enough care that it will cut into his playing time during the coming road trip. Which, of course, will allow him to reach 3,000 on the next homestand.

Coincidence? Perhaps...

[donutogre]

Nevermind, already been said. Missed an entire page of posts...

Edited by donutogre, 14 June 2011 - 07:16 AM.

[BroodsSexton]

It must be a phantom injury. Derek Jeter is an immortal True Yankee Hero. In fact, you could take a chainsaw to his calf, and he'd still have just as much range and be just as dangerous at bat.

[abty]

Why would the phanton injury occur with 3 days left on the homestand? This makes no sense at all.

For the record, my response 'does anybody doubt this?' was in response to "Maybe they'll just hold him out until the next homestand..." from Jon Abbey.
Was just having some fun.

[Rasputin]

I gotta say I was thinking the other day of what would have to happen for Jeter not to get to 3000. He gets a strain, they try to rehab him until a homestand, he rips a spleen while on rehab.

[JimD]

Does anybody doubt this? I swear I was joking to myself if he can't make it he'll get a phantom injury til the next homestand.

*Edit: Apparently I am not alone with this thought.

You're not - Joe Posnanski actually floated this in his Saturday column about Jeter's quest.

[TheYellowDart5]

For everyone speculating that the injury is being played up to increase the chances of him getting to 3,000 on the next homestand: You all do realize that, were Jeter to be placed on the 15-day DL today, he'd be eligible to come back on June 29, for the final two games of that particular homestand. In other words, he'd be just as likely to reach 3,000 at home then as he would be now.

[The Allented Mr Ripley]

They don't have to DL him. They can sit him for a few games without the rationale being blatantly obvious.

[AlNipper49]

Jeter putting himself before the team as he has done so many times in the past.

[TheYellowDart5]

They don't have to DL him. They can sit him for a few games without the rationale being blatantly obvious.

They'd be better off DL'ing him with a whole week's worth of games coming up in the NL. They're going to need that extra bench spot.

[Doug Beerabelli]

It must be a phantom injury. Derek Jeter is an immortal True Yankee Hero. In fact, you could take a chainsaw to his calf, and he'd still have just as much range and be just as dangerous at bat.

Didn't he win a GG suffering from these ailments already?

[Trlicek's Whip]

Gee, I hope this injury doesn't jeopardize his starting spot in this year's All-Star game.

[mt8thsw9th]

For everyone speculating that the injury is being played up to increase the chances of him getting to 3,000 on the next homestand: You all do realize that, were Jeter to be placed on the 15-day DL today, he'd be eligible to come back on June 29, for the final two games of that particular homestand. In other words, he'd be just as likely to reach 3,000 at home then as he would be now.

I don't think that's what anyone was insinuating. I believe they're saying he's going to be held out of the lineup for a few days so he can conveniently not have his chance at 3000 until the start of the next home stand.

edit - and for some reason the page with the replies saying what I said wasn't showing up. D'oh.

Edited by mt8thsw9th, 14 June 2011 - 01:49 PM.

[derekson]

"Cashman said Ramiro Pena is already in the clubhouse"

According to Andrew Marchand on twitter.

[TheYellowDart5]

What a team player:

When Jeter was asked about being man short, esp in NL parks, he said the Yanks have done that b4 and it's "not a big deal." Most disagree

http://twitter.com/#!/JackCurryYES/status/80737383426965504

If the Yanks don't inistantly d.l. Jeter, they"d be a man short. But Jeter dismissed that issue. "We play a man short all the time," he said

http://twitter.com/#!/JackCurryYES/status/80736746719031296

<Cue snarky jon abbey comment about Jeter being that missing player>

Edited by TheYellowDart5, 14 June 2011 - 04:52 PM.

[E5 Yaz]

Annnnd he's on the DL

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6660933

Edited by E5 Yaz, 14 June 2011 - 05:02 PM.

[jon abbey]

I wonder if Jeter realizes (or cares?) how he's hurting his image among Yankee fans, today's selfish "one possible week of me is worth more than two weeks of Ramiro Pena" little sideshow tantrum as another example.

I almost never listen to sports radio, but heard a bit this afternoon, and caller after caller didn't care about NY losing Jeter (and emphasized that they didn't care), they just cared that he'd get his 3000th hit at home.

[JohntheBaptist]

Honestly, I certainly am not a fan, but I've always sort of been a Jeter defender. Just in the sense that it seemed most of the time Sox fans were reacting to how he was presented, and not things he actually did or didn't do.

Those quotes are pretty bad though. Being a man down isn't that big a deal? Uh, yeah, it is. He may not just be travelling into a decline but a whole world of denial that could start making him look like a real asshole.

I can't believe he thinks/ said that it isn't that big a deal to be down a player for an entire fucking road trip. Imagine if Rodriguez said that?

[jon abbey]

I'm at least somewhat relieved to see that Jeter was overruled and put on the DL, nice to know that the inmates aren't completely running the asylum.

[glennhoffmania]

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised by these quotes. I've never thought of him as a team first guy. That's what the NY Post and YES want people to believe but I don't think it's ever been true.

[jon abbey]

A still of his golf clap when Nunez got his RBI single would be amusing, he did not look thoroughly thrilled for his young protege.

[JMDurron]

Nice to know that the inmates aren't completely running the asylum.

I think that the earlier point that someone made during the "Posadagate" episode was a good one. The point was that Jeter was getting a little preview of how tolerant Cashman would be of an over-the-hill player, like himself, acting like a diva. So it was a DL stint instead of a spot in the lineup, but it sure has a similar tone to it. "How dare they treat me this way!", with Jeter obviously not going for the full-on Posada meltdown.

[Myt1]

He could have said "Derek Jeter is not the first guy to do that."

He wasn't asked if Derek Jeter was the first guy to do that. He was asked if it was bush league when he did.

[terrynever]

A still of his golf clap when Nunez got his RBI single would be amusing, he did not look thoroughly thrilled for his young protege.

Jeter did offer advice to Nunez before the AB, to "look for a fastball." Nunez credited Jeter after the game and said a fastball is what he hit for the first run of the game.

Jeter's never happy sitting on the bench. But at least he's being helpful to Nunez. We don't need a Ripken-Manny Alexander situation here, although that is certainly possible when Jeter comes off the DL.

Milestone occasions are always distractions to team goals. Most of the time, it is the milestoner choking and pressing as he gets near a big home run or hit total.

Edited by terrynever, 15 June 2011 - 09:25 AM.

[Maalox]

Like all good Sox fans, I hate Jeter and want him to die. His "ability" to make routine defensive plays look hard blinded a lot of people to his considerable limits as a defensive SS. Whoever was responsible for the nondecision, the Yankees not moving him to 2B for Slappy (let alone Cano) was epically stupid.

But damn me if I wouldn't have gladly had him as our 2B all those years. And the bastard could hit. You don't get "lucky" for 20 years. Doesn't happen. Jeter knew how to hit 'em where they wasn't, and I'll take a flared single to right over a loud out any time.

His reflexes have slowed down. The weather doesn't help either - middle-aged guys' muscles don't really loosen up until you get a long hot spell. A late summer swan song is not out of the question.

I don't see how you can begrudge the guy his reaction. He got where he is believing he is so much better than anyone else and that he can do whatever needs to be done. He's not going to accept aging or injury and just stand aside. Confident people just aren't like that. The worse he performs the more he wants to redeem himself. You're going to have to drag him away from baseball kicking and screaming. If he were otherwise he wouldn't have been what he became in the first place.

For me the defining memory of Jeter was Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS. Virtually the entire Yankee team was beaten and demoralized. And all Jeter was try to rally them, constantly. He still knew the Yankees were supposed to win that game.

[OilCanShotTupac]

Jeter did offer advice to Nunez before the AB, to "look for a fastball." Nunez credited Jeter after the game and said a fastball is what he hit for the first run of the game.

Jeter's never happy sitting on the bench. But at least he's being helpful to Nunez. We don't need a Ripken-Manny Alexander situation here, although that is certainly possible when Jeter comes off the DL.

Milestone occasions are always distractions to team goals. Most of the time, it is the milestoner choking and pressing as he gets near a big home run or hit total.

"Look for a fastball" to a young player is right up there with "drive carefully" to a sixteen-year-old or "show up on time" to someone going to their first job interview. It's hardly evidence that Jeter is unselfishly taking this tyro under his wing.

[jon abbey]

For me the defining memory of Jeter was Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS. Virtually the entire Yankee team was beaten and demoralized. And all Jeter was try to rally them, constantly. He still knew the Yankees were supposed to win that game.

And they still lost 10-3, quite a defining memory.

[Mystic Merlin]

Hey, it's not his fault Kevin Brown and Javy Vasquez got obliterated.

[JohntheBaptist]

I don't see how you can begrudge the guy his reaction. He got where he is believing he is so much better than anyone else and that he can do whatever needs to be done. He's not going to accept aging or injury and just stand aside. Confident people just aren't like that. The worse he performs the more he wants to redeem himself. You're going to have to drag him away from baseball kicking and screaming. If he were otherwise he wouldn't have been what he became in the first place.

This is nice and all but what does it have to do with Jeter being fine keeping his team a man down for a week so he could avoid the DL and get his 3,000th hit where he feels like it? Or is there another reaction I'm missing that this would actually apply to?

[Average Reds]

Jeter did offer advice to Nunez before the AB, to "look for a fastball." Nunez credited Jeter after the game and said a fastball is what he hit for the first run of the game.

Future conversation:

Nunez: "Hey Derek, do you have any advice about this guy I'm facing tonight?"

Jeter: "Hey Rookie, that's Mr. Jeter, or Captain Jeter to you."

Nunez: "Oh, sorry about that Mr. Jeter. Anyway, can you help me out here?"

Jeter: Who's pitching?"

Nunez: "Wakefield."

Jeter: "Look for the knuckler kid."

[terrynever]

"Look for a fastball" to a young player is right up there with "drive carefully" to a sixteen-year-old or "show up on time" to someone going to their first job interview. It's hardly evidence that Jeter is unselfishly taking this tyro under his wing.

Are you demeaning parents who remind their kids to drive carefully? Just kidding. Total silence would be evidence he's not taking this kid under his wing. It is true, though, that Jeter is heading into uncharted territory in his career. I can't predict how he will handle these final three years. Mantle's drinking stepped up. DiMaggio walked away. Babe Ruth was traded to the Braves for one dollar.

One of the NY papers began the Jose Reyes-to-the-Yankees rumor mill today. I suppose Jeter moves to DH or LF for his final two years if that scenario every comes true in the offseason. Somehow I doubt it will. FWIW, Jeter has always been very positive in his remarks and friendship with Reyes.

[BroodsSexton]

I suppose Jeter moves to DH or LF for his final two years if that scenario every comes true in the offseason.

Oh please. Oh please. Oh please. Please, pretty please?

Edited by BroodsSexton, 15 June 2011 - 10:48 AM.

[Rough Carrigan]

Oh please. Oh please. Oh please. Please, pretty please?

You don't think a DH with a slugging percentage of .324, coincidentally exactly the same as his on base percentage, .324, would be a fearsome foe for the Red Sox to face?

[terrynever]

You don't think a DH with a slugging percentage of .324, coincidentally exactly the same as his on base percentage, .324, would be a fearsome foe for the Red Sox to face?

What do you suggest they do with him?

The easy way out for the Yankees is for Jeter to pull a DiMaggio at the end of the season and walk away, hopefully after the Yankees win the WS. But the money is too big. DiMaggio was 36 and walked away from $100,000. Jeter would be walking away from $26M. Ain't going to happen.

[Toe Nash]

For me the defining memory of Jeter was Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS. Virtually the entire Yankee team was beaten and demoralized. And all Jeter was try to rally them, constantly. He still knew the Yankees were supposed to win that game.

Funny, because the take-home memory for me about Jeter from that series was him putting up a .567 OPS with just one extra-base hit (and going 4-19 in the last 4 games, all singles) while all the blame got piled on A-Rod (who wasn't great but had a HR in game 4).

[TheGazelle]

Are you demeaning parents who remind their kids to drive carefully? Just kidding. Total silence would be evidence he's not taking this kid under his wing. It is true, though, that Jeter is heading into uncharted territory in his career. I can't predict how he will handle these final three years. Mantle's drinking stepped up. DiMaggio walked away. Babe Ruth was traded to the Braves for one dollar.

One of the NY papers began the Jose Reyes-to-the-Yankees rumor mill today. I suppose Jeter moves to DH or LF for his final two years if that scenario every comes true in the offseason. Somehow I doubt it will. FWIW, Jeter has always been very positive in his remarks and friendship with Reyes.

I think complete and total silence would be evidence that Jeter is a Lebron-level douchebag. Telling a kid to "look for the fastball" could easily be just a throwaway comment Jeter made just to not be a complete dick. Of course, since I loathe Derek Jeter with every fiber of my body, I may not be entirely objective.

[jon abbey]

What do you suggest they do with him?

Oh, this is easy. Dip him in bronze and leave him in Monument Park. His range would still be about the same...

I think there is zero chance of the Yanks trading for Reyes, but a non-zero chance of them signing him this winter. What would happen to Jeter then? Dunno, thankfully not my problem...