392 replies to this topic

[Corsi]

We should go to Abraham's house and burn it down. Taking a well-worn cliche and juxtaposing it with a previously hot pitcher's wife is certainly grounds for accusation of plagiarism.

You're doing God's work Corsi.

Oh, please. We have an 8-page thread about how he's been lifting shit from our board and you feel the need to single me out?

[Foulkey Reese]

When I saw that Tweet I had the exact same thought that Corsi did. I mean it's a common enough turn of phrase, but it was the first thing that popped into my mind.

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Oh, please. We have an 8-page thread about how he's been lifting shit from our board and you feel the need to single me out?

You wanted to be the guy to break "The-Peter-Abraham-is-plagiarizing-BigMike's-Baseball-Wives-quip-story", Carl Bernstein.

Follow the money, Corsi.

[Corsi]

You wanted to be the guy to break "The-Peter-Abraham-is-plagiarizing-BigMike's-Baseball-Wives-quip-story", Carl Bernstein.

Follow the money, Corsi.

If I gave a shit about breaking anything, I'd have posted about it last night when I first read the thread/tweet.

[RingoOSU]

But look, he even left off the last period. If that's not Big Mike's work, I don't know what is.

[TomRicardo]

Do you think if we have another Pete Abraham chat here he will just go back and rip off Gordon Edes' answers?

[mpx42]

PeteAbe Pete Abraham #RedSox will not get compensation from ESPN for Francona. So replacing @HeidiWatney still up for grabs.

He must be so depressed about her leaving...

[LesterFan]

Do you think if we have another Pete Abraham chat here he will just go back and rip off Gordon Edes' answers?

Do they have a history or something?

From tonight:


Gordon Edes says

Ortiz has officiallly accepted arbitration

4 minutes later, PeteAbe says

Via the #RedSox, Ortiz has officially accepted arbitration.

20 minutes later, Gordon Edes says

Per Red Sox? That's a good one. Sox have not said anything re Ortiz.

[nattysez]

Edes previously intimated that when PeteAbe says "team sources," he's just printing things he's overheard other writers saying. It's interesting that for all his thin-skinnedness, he's never gone after Edes despite Gordo given him plenty of reasons to do so.


http://sonsofsamhorn...ls-someone-out/

Edited by nattysez, 08 December 2011 - 01:03 AM.

[mpx42]

Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 2 mins Sadly @heidiwatney never did this at Fenway: bit.ly/vhweVn

[Mo's OBP]

Not for you Pete. Creep.

[Brianish]

Not for you Pete. Creep.

Seriously, has anyone ever informed Abraham that the general public sees him as a journalist?

[Jnai]

Pete is involved in a very strange situation right now.

Brief recap: frustrated with the fact that writers were withholding votes from "suspected" steroids user Jeff Bagwell (and other players who had good numbers but zero evidence of any steroids use), an ESPN Sweet Spot Blog named "The Platoon Advantage" posted a satirical story in which they accused those same writers of "suspected" plagiarism. It was pretty clearly satire.

After Abraham reconsidered and voted for Bagwell this year, they tweeted that they had finally cleared his name of suspected plagiarism.

And then, Abraham went nuts, called ESPN, and all sorts of other things:
http://www.platoonad...ist-but-he.html

Wonder if this will make it to Boston Sports media.

[The Four Peters]

Given his inclination to "borrow" from this board, I find that all very amusing.

[HomeBrew1901]

Thanks for posting that Jnai, what a fucking prick Abraham is.

[Corsi]

He's Sinacori with a job.

[ivanvamp]

I don't really know a lot about Peter Abraham or what the real story is with him and Bagwell and this "The Common Man" person. But from that exchange that was linked to a few posts above, I don't really get how Abraham is the dink here. He's pissed because someone associated with ESPN (I think?) linked him with plagiarism, and, even though it was apparently satirical, that's still a pretty serious thing for a journalist. I can see why he was like, WTF?

If the point is that his vote "no" on Bagwell was because of unfounded steroid rumors (not even rumors I guess), and gee Pete, how would you like it if your name got associated with something similar - in this case, plagiarism? .... then I think that's a pretty lame thing to do. Especially considering that we can find out who votes no for these HOF ballots (that's my understanding anyway), he had a right to be pissed that this TCM person was doing it behind a fake name.

Don't be too harsh on me if I am way off base here - I already admitted I don't know much about the story....just saying that from that little article there, I can see why Abraham would be livid. He might still be a world-class douche, I don't know, but from that story I can see his side of things.

[mt8thsw9th]

You're way off base. Abraham is just a thin-skinned twat. It was obvious this was satire, and Abraham got his size 54 panties in a bunch.

[ivanvamp]

You're way off base. Abraham is just a thin-skinned twat. It was obvious this was satire, and Abraham got his size 54 panties in a bunch.

Ok I guess.

[Alcohol&Overcalls]

If the point is that his vote "no" on Bagwell was because of unfounded steroid rumors (not even rumors I guess), and gee Pete, how would you like it if your name got associated with something similar - in this case, plagiarism? .... then I think that's a pretty lame thing to do. Especially considering that we can find out who votes no for these HOF ballots (that's my understanding anyway), he had a right to be pissed that this TCM person was doing it behind a fake name.

That was basically the point - that lobbing unsubstantiated rumors around, effectively forcing Bagwell to fight against phantoms to prove his innocense, is essentially the same thing as assuming all writers plagiarize, until proven otherwise.

I don't see any reason why using a psuedonym affects the validity of the point, or should give PeteAbe any further reason for anger. Even if he honestly felt threatened by such an "accusation" (which was not actually an accusation), he had the ability to handle it in a much better way than he eventually did. Pretty dumb.

[Foulkey Reese]

Never get tired of this story. Well done...anonymous.

Anonymous said...
Back when he was working for LoHud and doing their blog, he made some stupid comment during an All Star game thread. I called him out on it, and told him to "die in a fire".

He emailed me (which he got via my IP address from a post months before -- lots of digging by him) and said both my ISP and my local police department had been alerted of my "threats to (his) life", and I was in big, big trouble. Yeah, just like his "boss just called (him)".

Dude's been accused of plagiarizing message board posts, and has been called out more than once by a nationally-respected baseball scribe for stealing people's tweets and saying "a major league source reports...", when all he did was steal someone else's scoop.

Did I mention he's incredibly thin-skinned for a fat guy?

[Rudy Pemberton]

Shouldn't he have alerted the fire department, and not the police?

[E5 Yaz]

A small thing, I suppose, but the pic on his Twitter page is of him Tebowing in a Pats jersey at the Broncos stadium. Given that he knows people check his Twitter feed for stories and links, it's a particularly unprofessional pic.



Makes him come across as a victim of college drunk guy regession syndrome

[ForKeeps]

What a weird dude.

[Darnell's Son]

He'll burn in hell for that one.

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Given that he knows people check his Twitter feed for stories and links, it's a particularly unprofessional pic.

Sweet Jesus, relax. He's Tebowing, not jerking off a chicken.

[E5 Yaz]

Sweet Jesus, relax. He's Tebowing, not jerking off a chicken.

We agree to disagree

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

So what's so offensive (or unprofessional) about a sportswriter Tebowing to your virgin eyes?

[AlNipper49]

So what's so offensive (or unprofessional) about a sportswriter Tebowing to your virgin eyes?

Maybe that the people behing him kneeling were presented with a view of 11 inches on Abraham's ass crack

[Van Everyman]

In his defense, he's wearing a John Hannah jersey.

(null)

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

I think there's plenty of prickishness to go around with the TCM/PeteAbe battle, but I think TCM has a valid point.

Essentially, many writers (apparently) didn't vote for Bagwell because they thought he might be a steroid user. Is there any evidence of this? No. The reasoning goes: "This was an era with lots of steroid use. Bagwell looks like a guy with a lot of muscles. Steroids make you have a lot of muscles. Therefore maybe he used steroids. Therefore I'll keep him out of the Hall of Fame."

I think it furthers the dialog to, as TCM did, parallel that line of reasoning. "This is an era with lots of plagiarism. PeteAbe is a guy who works on the Internet. The Internet has led to lots of plagiarism. Therefore maybe he's a plagiarist. Therefore, I'll accuse him of such."

How do you like it, writers/gatekeepers?

However, TCM's self-righteousness and smugness is a little hard to handle. Really: "we all just want to say that this bitter, angry, thin-skinned, bullying, insecure bag of dicks can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut"?

Way to take the high road. But Pete doesn't cover himself with glory either. Yeah, is it a little scary to have your name associated with plagiarism? How do you think it feels to have your name associated with steroids if you didn't do them?

I think the problem with anonymous posting (as we've seen here at SoSH) is that people get internet brave and write crazy things like the above that you'd never say to someone's face or write under something bylined. I support people's ability to be anonymous, and I think it's important in the support of democracy and speaking truth to power, but the abuse of it, and/or use of it to support arguments and crusades that aren't nearly as important as you think they are, is annoying and cowardly on at least some level (says a guy writing anonymously on the internet).

[E5 Yaz]

So what's so offensive (or unprofessional) about a sportswriter Tebowing to your virgin eyes?

If it were a personal account, nothing. But that account is used for his posts as a working reporter. I suspect, given the experience we have following Abraham, that he is not doing this in a devout fashion, but in a mocking way. Frankly either, on his professional Twitter site, would be (to me) inappropriate.

Keep it professional. Use a mugshot or a pice from him doing his job. I judge this based off what I see from most every other beat reporter columnist on Twitter. Gammons uses a dog. Seems inconsequential to me. If Abraham put a dog picture there, it wouldn't bother me. But he's someone who has used Twitter to lament not seeing Heidi Watney do handstands at Fenway, so I suppose I should expect more of him.

I don't understand your "virgin eyes" shot. If you'd like to explain it, feel free to send me a PM. Or post it here, I suppose.

[mt8thsw9th]

In his defense, he's wearing a John Hannah jersey.

Plus he's the weight of a lineman.

[Curll]

https://www.facebook..._id=33274966776

Apparently, Peter goes out of his way to post messages on our draft blog in an attempt to discredit our work. Hey, that's fine. When you publish your opinions on the internet, you are fair game to criticism. It comes with the territory. We receive plently of feedback from visitors who disagree with us. We think that's great.

[ForKeeps]

However, TCM's self-righteousness and smugness is a little hard to handle.

Thank you. Find me one person voting against Bagwell because of unfounded PED suspicion who we didn't already know was an idiot (assuming we had even heard of them). I couldn't stand FJM most of the time but at least they didn't take themselves so seriously when going after Murray Chass for the 80th time about RBI, which to me is no different than this Bagwell thing.

Up next on the Platoon Advantage: The Grammys don't really award the best music!

Edited by ForKeeps, 14 January 2012 - 11:11 AM.

[Dogman2]

Thank you. Find me one person voting against Bagwell because of unfounded PED suspicion who we didn't already know was an idiot (assuming we had even heard of them). I couldn't stand FJM most of the time but at least they didn't take themselves so seriously when going after Murray Chass for the 80th time about RBI, which to me is no different than this Bagwell thing.

Up next on the Platoon Advantage: The Grammys don't really award the best music!

You couldn't stand FJM or can't stand TCM? Did you understand the basis for FJM or the premise behind TCM? Do you have a sense of humor? Which blog/sports medium/paper do you write for?

[DrewDawg]

I couldn't stand FJM most of the time

This is where you lost me.

[RedOctober3829]

There was talk on our board about trading Youkilis to free up money the last few days. What does Pete write a blog post about tonight? Trading Youkilis to free up money.

[soxhop411]

There was talk on our board about trading Youkilis to free up money the last few days. What does Pete write a blog post about tonight? Trading Youkilis to free up money.

really? I'm not defending Pete, but that not a unique idea. its been thrown around plenty this offseason. Now if you were saying trade youk and scoot to (x team) and he posted that exact same thing then you have a point. but the idea to trade youk isn't some new idea

Edited by soxhop411, 20 January 2012 - 08:48 PM.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

There was talk on our board about trading Youkilis to free up money the last few days. What does Pete write a blog post about tonight? Trading Youkilis to free up money.

Don't you dare let his boss know about your implication. If you do, be prepared to give Pete your name, address, and social security number.

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

There was talk on our board about trading Youkilis to free up money the last few days. What does Pete write a blog post about tonight? Trading Youkilis to free up money.

Nice work, Encyclopedia Brown. Now work on bringing Bugs Meaney to justice and you can call it a day!

[DrewDawg]

[ForKeeps]

Which blog/sports medium/paper do you write for?

Seriously? What are you like, 15?

Edited by ForKeeps, 21 January 2012 - 09:00 AM.

[E5 Yaz]

I think someone might have gotten a message to Abraham. He's removed several tweets that were smart-ass responses to others, as well as one that complained about having to "write" four stories in three days.

[Dogman2]

Seriously? What are you like, 15?

Close.

You didn't answer my question.

[Foulkey Reese]

Why do some fans get upset about players getting invited to camp on minor-league contracts? It's not a big deal.

@Kevin_Goldstein It's kind of embarrassing to read to some of the comments.

@joe_sheehan That would be a reason. But based on the comments, these people are just idiots.

https://twitter.com/#!/PeteAbe

Regardless of his overall point, fuck off for referring to the people who pay your salary as idiots.

[mt8thsw9th]

That's actually pretty awesome. Good on him. Look at the response to the AAA depth signing of John Maine in The Sandbox. I mean, you really need to muster up pointless snark over a player who basically amounts to the Duckworth signing of this offseason?

[jsinger121]

Looks like they let anyone into the Super Bowl.

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Looks like they let anyone into the Super Bowl.

Holy shit! A woman sports reporter! Now I've seen EVERYTHING!

[E5 Yaz]

Holy shit! A woman sports reporter! Now I've seen EVERYTHING!

Someone ahs to get Peter King's coffee