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[phragle]

They may get a fourth of that.

Let him keep talking, it can only be good for the Red Sox.

Edited by phragle, 20 May 2011 - 02:47 PM.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Bundy is incredible, but KG has read some different scouting reports than I have. I don't think he is as good a prospect as Rendon or Cole, but he is up there.

Bauer still depresses me at 5. Hopefully he will hit the bench with a little case of elbow soreness..

He says Jungmann hasn't missed many bats with his 8.34 K/9, but fails to mention his +60% GB rate.

Jed Bradley is better than 12th.

Where do you find groundball rates for college pitchers?

I'm curious to know what Jed Bradley's is.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Not to derail this at all, but is anyone else nervous about the fact that the Rays have a ton of selections in the first 2 rounds? That organization is stacked and will be even further after the draft.

Bundy is good...but he never scored 4 touchdowns in 1 game like another famous Bundy.

The Sox if I remember correctly got Bentz only because of an injury during the season that dropped his stock. Reynuldo was the same, as I remember anyways. I think if there is one thing this organization is excellent at doing its evaluating talent in the draft.

No.

Most of the guys they draft will do nothing at the Major League level. That's the nature of the draft. And the guys who do pan out will take a number of years to do so.

Reynuldo? What the ish!?!?!?!!

[alskor]

Yeah I'm aware. They can't just say the will have to draft conservatively because they don't have the funds. They spent over 7 million last year and if they could spend upwards of 12, even 15 million this year. I'll eat my hat if they give somebody like Josh Bell or Archie Bradley 3-4 million, or if they give Matt Purke 2 million in the supplemental round.

Exactly. They can say they've put the money aside and all... but they aren't going BPA with all those picks like many Rays fans seem to think. They'll certainly have a few safe, signable guys in there that they've felt out ahead of time. The danger of all those picks is that they will grab a good number of quality prospects at a great cost:value ratio AND they likely won't hesitate to pop a couple tough signs early, too (Purke? Hedges??). I know you discounted the Purke possibility, but I wouldn't put it past them to do a Ranaudo with him... do a modern draft-and-follow and see how he does on the Cape. He's supposedly still asking for $4m+ (I think BA/Callis was saying this the other day. Can't find the link). I discounted the idea initially... but I do think its possible now.

Toronto actually has nearly as many picks and zero hesitation to spend big. They scare me more than Tampa, but there's no way around it... both teams going to land a number of good prospects I'll be jealous of. We just have to take care of our own business and have a great draft of our own (while snickering at whomever the Yanks select at #51).

Plus they're due for a few Jason Places. I simply don't believe TB (or anyone) has a sustainable ability to outdraft other teams if they have the same salary restrictions.

I wouldn't call Tim Beckham a "Jason Place," but the Rays haven't tasted unmitigated draft success contrary to the common perception. They couldn't agree with Washington either - though that actually looked to be to their benefit for awhile. I wasn't impressed by their 2010 haul, too.

Its almost like its more difficult to draft when you don't have a top 3 pick...

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Exactly. They can say they've put the money aside and all... but they aren't going BPA with all those picks like many Rays fans seem to think. They'll certainly have a few safe, signable guys in there that they've felt out ahead of time. The danger of all those picks is that they will grab a good number of quality prospects at a great cost:value ratio AND they likely won't hesitate to pop a couple tough signs early, too (Purke? Hedges??). I know you discounted the Purke possibility, but I wouldn't put it past them to do a Ranaudo with him... do a modern draft-and-follow and see how he does on the Cape. He's supposedly still asking for $4m+ (I think BA/Callis was saying this the other day. Can't find the link). I discounted the idea initially... but I do think its possible now.

Toronto actually has nearly as many picks and zero hesitation to spend big. They scare me more than Tampa, but there's no way around it... both teams going to land a number of good prospects I'll be jealous of. We just have to take care of our own business and have a great draft of our own (while snickering at whomever the Yanks select at #51).


I wouldn't call Tim Beckham a "Jason Place," but the Rays haven't tasted unmitigated draft success contrary to the common perception. They couldn't agree with Washington either - though that actually looked to be to their benefit for awhile. I wasn't impressed by their 2010 haul, too.

Its almost like its more difficult to draft when you don't have a top 3 pick...

Where on earth did he compare Tim Beckham to Jason Place...

I've seen you do this a lot of minorleagueball.com, make counter arguments to arguments that don't even exist.

Or make the assumption that a guy is "toolsy" because he's athletic.

Saw you call Jemile Weeks one of the toolsiest college players to come to mind in the last decade when, in fact, he has never has more than 1 above-average tool.

And there is zero chance the Rays touch Purke, a kid who not only has significant shoulder concerns, but who would also put a major dent in their draft budget.

They would either have to make major reaches and sign practically everyone else below slot or they would have to expect to not sign a good 5 or 6 of their early picks.

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 22 May 2011 - 12:29 AM.

[phragle]

Where do you find groundball rates for college pitchers?I'm curious to know what Jed Bradley's is.

I'd love to give you a good answer here, but a few weeks ago I read an article with the top 15 GB% of college pitchers, and Jungmann was like 7th with a GB% over 60.

Here are two articles I found while searching for the original article:
http://m.espn.go.com...6472107&lang=ES
http://baseballdraft...und-ball-kings/

Unfortunately there are no sites (that I know of) that actually have any good stats for the NCAA. Collegesplits is probably the best.

I wouldn't call Tim Beckham a "Jason Place," but the Rays haven't tasted unmitigated draft success contrary to the common perception. They couldn't agree with Washington either - though that actually looked to be to their benefit for awhile. I wasn't impressed by their 2010 haul, too.

Its almost like its more difficult to draft when you don't have a top 3 pick...

When he said 'TB' he meant Tampa Bay, not Tim Beckham.

[Shelterdog]

I'd love to give you a good answer here, but a few weeks ago I read an article with the top 15 GB% of college pitchers, and Jungmann was like 7th with a GB% over 60.

Here are two articles I found while searching for the original article:
http://m.espn.go.com...6472107&lang=ES
http://baseballdraft...und-ball-kings/

Unfortunately there are no sites (that I know of) that actually have any good stats for the NCAA. Collegesplits is probably the best.


When he said 'TB' he meant Tampa Bay, not Tim Beckham.

Yup. Tampa Bay did a great job with their high picks from about 2002-2008; I doubt they do as well going forward.

[alskor]

Where on earth did he compare Tim Beckham to Jason Place...

I was saying Beckham has been a disappointment as a Rays pick, though not quite to the level of a Jason Place level bust.

I've seen you do this a lot of minorleagueball.com, make counter arguments to arguments that don't even exist.

Or make the assumption that a guy is "toolsy" because he's athletic.

Saw you call Jemile Weeks one of the toolsiest college players to come to mind in the last decade when, in fact, he has never has more than 1 above-average tool.

You're wrong. I said Weeks was considered perhaps the toolsiest college player in that draft. The reason I brought that up was to illustrate that college players simply aren't that toolsy most of the time - thus George Springer has pretty exceptional tools for a college player. I quoted BA saying Springer has perhaps the best tools of any college player in the last decade... Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

Also, while I was discussing the preception at the time of the 2008 draft, Weeks still has two plus tools - plus hit tool and plus plus speed - so I really have no idea what you're talking about with this "one plus tool" stuff. Regardless, at the time of the 2008 draft he was also perceived as having a plus glove and an above average arm (only being forced off SS by the presence of great glove Ryan Jackson at the U). I've provided many contemporary quotes from the time of the draft to support my point over at minorleagueball: http://www.minorleag...ussion#67828580

I assure you Jemile Weeks still grades out as one of the toolsiest players overall from that draft, too. I'm certainly willing to listen to arguments to the contrary... do you have a college player from that draft that you graded as a better set of tools at the time...?

And there is zero chance the Rays touch Purke, a kid who not only has significant shoulder concerns, but who would also put a major dent in their draft budget.

They would either have to make major reaches and sign practically everyone else below slot or they would have to expect to not sign a good 5 or 6 of their early picks.

That was my first thought, too, but we shall see... I don't think its out of the question anymore. If they think he can be signed for ~$3m+ they might decide to do it with a later supplemental pick. They might also decide to take the opportunity to see if he rebounds in the summer and try to steal an extra first round quality player in the face of potential of hard slotting in the next CBA. While 3-4-5 million is a not insignificant amount, the draft remains one of the best bargains for teams and the Rays are very aware of that. Whether they take Purke or not the point I was making is that they Rays and perhaps Jays are well suited to take a chance like that.

I'm not saying its likely... I also thought it was preposterous at first, but I do now think its possible.

[alskor]

When he said 'TB' he meant Tampa Bay, not Tim Beckham.

I phrased that awkwardly... He said Tampa is due for a few Jason Places (ie Busts). I was responding that they may already have drafted some (ie. Beckham).

Beckham hasn't been as bad as Place, obviously, and has actually raised his stock a little so far this year, but he's still a pretty big disappointment. I'm also not enamored of their 2010 haul. I liked O'Connor the most and he hasn't hit at all - SSS, obviously, but he looks pretty bad.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Al, you actually said, "FYI, two players who come to mind as having been described as the toolsiest college players in recent drafts are Jemile Weeks and Jared Mitchell."


But this is going nowhere and is stupid.


Jungmann is obviously intriguing with his stuff and command.


But his mechanics are downright dreadful.


Someone on PP compared them to Jered Weaver if Weaver were paralyzed from the waist down.


I completely agree. He throws completely across his body, tall-and-fall, and neglects to use his lower body at all.


He need his delivery to be entirely fixed.


Who knows if he comes back with the same stuff and command with a revamped delivery.


Some guys are so used to throwing a certain way that they respond poorly to mechanical changes, in this case very, very significant mechanical changes.

[phragle]

Jungmann is obviously intriguing with his stuff and command.


But his mechanics are downright dreadful.


Someone on PP compared them to Jered Weaver if Weaver were paralyzed from the waist down.


I completely agree. He throws completely across his body, tall-and-fall, and neglects to use his lower body at all.


He need his delivery to be entirely fixed.


Who knows if he comes back with the same stuff and command with a revamped delivery.


Some guys are so used to throwing a certain way that they respond poorly to mechanical changes, in this case very, very significant mechanical changes.

Me and GG33 discussed this on page 3 here: http://sonsofsamhorn...ost__p__3472563

And while this is true "Who knows if he comes back with the same stuff and command with a revamped delivery." the opposite is also true. He could come back with better stuff and better command.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Me and GG33 discussed this on page 3 here: http://sonsofsamhorn...ost__p__3472563

And while this is true "Who knows if he comes back with the same stuff and command with a revamped delivery." the opposite is also true. He could come back with better stuff and better command.

Agreed, but the risk is just too strong.

I would much rather have everyone else in BA's top 16:





I would also rather have Mahtook, maybe John Stilson (need to see some video first), Robert Stephenson, Kolten Wong, Andrew Susac, Jackie Bradley, etc. etc.


Basically, I would be very pissed if we spent the #19 pick on Jungmann.


I haven't made my big board yet but I would imagine that Jungmann will come in around 40.


It's funny that Workman supposedly had the same kind of stuff coming out of Texas last year and I had him at 49 while he was in many people's top 20.


The horrible mechanics were my main concern with Workman too.


Now Workman, supposedly a "highly advanced" college pitcher, is doing okay in low-A ball but not knocking anyone's socks off.

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 22 May 2011 - 06:37 PM.

[phragle]

I tried not to go overboard, but this would be my ideal first round draft.

1, 19. Jed Bradley, Matt Barnes, or Mikie Mahtook
1, 26. Josh Bell, Andrew Susac, or Jackie Bradley Jr
1S, 36. Josh Osich, Austin Hedges, or Henry Owens
1S, 40. Kyle Crick, Anthony Meo, or Trevor Story

Edit: Though about it more and added some things. I heard Jed Bradley was dropping. Clearly I want a high ceiling outfielder.

Edited by phragle, 23 May 2011 - 07:24 AM.

[phragle]

Perfect Game Draft Projection 5-20-11

19. Boston Red Sox: Josh Bell, OF, Dallas Jesuit HSAgent affiliation and a strong commitment to Texas means that it may take a good chunk of change to get Bell in the fold. There's no better team at overcoming such obstacles than the Red Sox, who would gladly welcome his impact bat into the system.

26. Boston Red Sox: Jose Fernandez, RHP, Alonso HS, TampaJose Fernandez, meet Blake Swihart and Daniel Norris, your Aflac All-American teammates that didn't expect to be available in the 20s. Fernandez, a big-bodied righty with an equally big arm, will give the Red Sox two exciting talents in the first round.

http://www.perfectga...px?article=5677

[phragle]

Bundy also said he wants 30 million

@jimcallisBAJim CallisSticker shock: Teams being told asking price on Dylan Bundy is 6 yrs, $30 million. For Archie Bradley, 5 yrs and $20 million. #mlbdraft

They may get a fourth of that.

From Heyman on Dylan Bundy

Execs estimate that $6 to $7 million would be more in line. Bundy has a scholarship offer to the University of Texas but is seen as likely to sign.

http://sportsillustr...thia/index.html


From Perfect Game on Archie Bradley

The football status of both Bradley and Kansas outfielder Bubba Starling, a second two-sport prospect who is a slam-dunk to be drafted in the first round, brings into play the $5.25 million deal that quarterback/righthander Zach Lee signed last year with the Los Angeles Dodgers as the 28th overall pick. Lee was a 4-star quarterback at a suburban Dallas high school with a football ride to Louisiana State, but would have almost definitely ranked behind Bradley as a pitching prospect. Scouts have indicated that Bradley's camp is circulating the figure of $6 million, a bonus that would be spread out over the standard five-year contract for dual-sport athletes.

http://www.perfectga...px?article=5655


Also from Heyman (same article)

University of Virginia left-hander Danny Hultzen, UCLA right-hander Trevor Bauer and Kansas high school outfielder Bubba Starling are all moving up in the draft. Hultzen was wise to turn down $2 million from the Diamondbacks in a pervious draft,. The D-backs pick No. 3 and 7 this year, so they may get another crack. Some see the Cubs, who don't mind two-sport stars (they have Jeff Samardzija), as likely to take Starling at No. 9 if he's still available. Starling has a scholarship to play quarterback for the University of Nebraska.

Edited by phragle, 24 May 2011 - 01:59 AM.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

We do realize that BPA on draft day and BPA looking back in a year or two later are completely different, right? This isn't the NFL draft. Who determines who the BPA is? What is it based off of? Ceiling? Floor? Tools? Price tag?

We also realize the Sox rarely go with what we consider to be the BPA too, right? Lest we forget the success of the college players that were considered "safe picks" by the Sox nor the failures of the high ceiling prepsters, most of which you'll find in this thread.

The Rays are going to load up this June. And yes, you should be afraid.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

From Heyman on Dylan Bundy

http://sportsillustr...thia/index.html

From Perfect Game on Archie Bradley
http://www.perfectga...px?article=5655

Also from Heyman (same article)

I'd be shocked if Bradley even got that much. It'll definitely be interesting to see how much leverage players have with this likely being the last year of bonus babies.

Someone on PP compared them to Jered Weaver if Weaver were paralyzed from the waist down.

I completely agree.

Oh, hey Frederick.

Edited by TheGoldenGreek33, 24 May 2011 - 02:48 PM.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

I tried not to go overboard, but this would be my ideal first round draft.

1, 19. Jed Bradley, Matt Barnes, or Mikie Mahtook
1, 26. Josh Bell, Andrew Susac, or Jackie Bradley Jr
1S, 36. Josh Osich, Austin Hedges, or Henry Owens
1S, 40. Kyle Crick, Anthony Meo, or Trevor Story

Edit: Though about it more and added some things. I heard Jed Bradley was dropping. Clearly I want a high ceiling outfielder.

I would absolutely love for Bradley @ 19. Two weeks away, I'll play:

1.19: Jed Bradley; Levi Michael; Daniel Norris
1.26: John Stilson; Kolten Wong; Cory Spangenberg
1s.36: Andrew Chafin; Tyler Beede; Jackie Bradley Jr.
1s.40: Trevor Story; Brandon Nimmo; Granden Goetzman

[phragle]

The Rays are going to load up this June. And yes, you should be afraid.

If you're going to be afraid of the Rays then be afraid of the Blue Jays too. They have a ton of high picks like the Rays, and spent more than the Sox last year.

I'd be shocked if Bradley even got that much. It'll definitely be interesting to see how much leverage players have with this likely being the last year of bonus babies.

It would be a tragedy if Archie Bradley got less than Zach Lee got last year. Though I think that says more about how much Lee got rather than how much Bradley will get.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

If you're going to be afraid of the Rays then be afraid of the Blue Jays too. They have a ton of high picks like the Rays, and spent more than the Sox last year.

I am, for sure. The Jays and Rays have two of the best systems in baseball. Anthropoulos has done a tremendous job bringing in talent.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

I'd be shocked if Bradley even got that much. It'll definitely be interesting to see how much leverage players have with this likely being the last year of bonus babies.


Oh, hey Frederick.

Haha, what is up GG...

Found a place where I haven't been banned.

Yet.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

GG or anyone else, you know where I could find video on Stilson or Spangenberg?

This is tearing up my heart.

[alskor]

I would absolutely love for Bradley @ 19. Two weeks away, I'll play:

1.19: Jed Bradley; Levi Michael; Daniel Norris
1.26: John Stilson; Kolten Wong; Cory Spangenberg
1s.36: Andrew Chafin; Tyler Beede; Jackie Bradley Jr.
1s.40: Trevor Story; Brandon Nimmo; Granden Goetzman

Looks good. I really don't care much for Stilson. I'm very skeptical that delivery can hold up for 180+ IP. Its an arm I'd like in my org. anyways, but not in the 1st... which is what it will probably take.

For me, going off my follow list/big board -
1.19: Dillon Howard; Andrew Susac; C.J. Cron
1.26: Henry Owens; Mike Mahtook; Tyler Beede (I'm going to watch him tomorrow actually. Hoping the Sox work out something before so they can grab him a little later though!)
1s.36: Charlie Tilson; Derek Fisher; Michael Kelly
1s.40: Kelly, Matt Dean, Anthony Meo, Austin hedges

Obviously that's a little too prep arm heavy to be realistic... and if I were to land one of those top targets I would likely go with a more signable college player next instead. So this would be more like what my board would look like in terms of BPA at each pick independent of the others, if that makes sense. A more realistic draft that would excite me would be something like: Susac, Mahtook, Meo, Beede. Strong chance in the early to mid rounds that we can still grab a couple tough signs we all love after that, too. We're really in a great position.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Looks good. I really don't care much for Stilson. I'm very skeptical that delivery can hold up for 180+ IP. Its an arm I'd like in my org. anyways, but not in the 1st... which is what it will probably take.

For me, going off my follow list/big board -
1.19: Dillon Howard; Andrew Susac; C.J. Cron
1.26: Henry Owens; Mike Mahtook; Tyler Beede (I'm going to watch him tomorrow actually. Hoping the Sox work out something before so they can grab him a little later though!)
1s.36: Charlie Tilson; Derek Fisher; Michael Kelly
1s.40: Kelly, Matt Dean, Anthony Meo, Austin hedges

Obviously that's a little too prep arm heavy to be realistic... and if I were to land one of those top targets I would likely go with a more signable college player next instead. So this would be more like what my board would look like in terms of BPA at each pick independent of the others, if that makes sense. A more realistic draft that would excite me would be something like: Susac, Mahtook, Meo, Beede. Strong chance in the early to mid rounds that we can still grab a couple tough signs we all love after that, too. We're really in a great position.

So I assume you've seen video of Stilson then...

Haven't seen video of Howard either.

I love Beede. If that kid were in the south or Cali he would be in everyone's top 25. He is so well-rounded, love the advanced secondary stuff, command, barreh, and mechanics.

The velo whores (95% of the community) are gonna be sad that he doesn't touch 97 but they can fuark off.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Yay, Stilson video from 2 years ago!

http://mlb.mlb.com/v...tent_id=4847325


If his mechanics are still the same then don't want. Reliever.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Looks good. I really don't care much for Stilson. I'm very skeptical that delivery can hold up for 180+ IP. Its an arm I'd like in my org. anyways, but not in the 1st... which is what it will probably take.

For me, going off my follow list/big board -
1.19: Dillon Howard; Andrew Susac; C.J. Cron
1.26: Henry Owens; Mike Mahtook; Tyler Beede (I'm going to watch him tomorrow actually. Hoping the Sox work out something before so they can grab him a little later though!)
1s.36: Charlie Tilson; Derek Fisher; Michael Kelly
1s.40: Kelly, Matt Dean, Anthony Meo, Austin hedges

Obviously that's a little too prep arm heavy to be realistic... and if I were to land one of those top targets I would likely go with a more signable college player next instead. So this would be more like what my board would look like in terms of BPA at each pick independent of the others, if that makes sense. A more realistic draft that would excite me would be something like: Susac, Mahtook, Meo, Beede. Strong chance in the early to mid rounds that we can still grab a couple tough signs we all love after that, too. We're really in a great position.

That is pretty ballsy having 2 prep arms ahead of one of the surest bats you will ever see in the draft, Mikie Mahtook.

If Mahtook's not in CF then he's gonna drop damn fine defense in LF.

The only prep pitcher I take furshur over Mahtook is Bundy. And then I think about Guerrieri and Bradley.

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 24 May 2011 - 07:02 PM.

[phragle]

Looks good. I really don't care much for Stilson. I'm very skeptical that delivery can hold up for 180+ IP. Its an arm I'd like in my org. anyways, but not in the 1st... which is what it will probably take.

For me, going off my follow list/big board -
1.19: Dillon Howard; Andrew Susac; C.J. Cron
1.26: Henry Owens; Mike Mahtook; Tyler Beede (I'm going to watch him tomorrow actually. Hoping the Sox work out something before so they can grab him a little later though!)
1s.36: Charlie Tilson; Derek Fisher; Michael Kelly
1s.40: Kelly, Matt Dean, Anthony Meo, Austin hedges

Obviously that's a little too prep arm heavy to be realistic... and if I were to land one of those top targets I would likely go with a more signable college player next instead. So this would be more like what my board would look like in terms of BPA at each pick independent of the others, if that makes sense. A more realistic draft that would excite me would be something like: Susac, Mahtook, Meo, Beede. Strong chance in the early to mid rounds that we can still grab a couple tough signs we all love after that, too. We're really in a great position.

Howard is a first round talent, but I think Howard is going to drop significantly dude to signability. I know the Yankees have been scouting him extensively, and their first pick is at 51. I don't think he will last that long, but I could see him getting picked up around 36 or 40.


Edit:

@FrankiePiliereFrankie Piliere
Large amount of NYY draft buzz this yr. Hearing Yanks are also heavily in on Dillon Howard & Brandon Martin @ 51. Howard asking big $

Owens is full of projection, his upside is limitless.

Edited by phragle, 24 May 2011 - 08:35 PM.

[phragle]

That is pretty ballsy having 2 prep arms ahead of one of the surest bats you will ever see in the draft, Mikie Mahtook.

If Mahtook's not in CF then he's gonna drop damn fine defense in LF.

The only prep pitcher I take furshur over Mahtook is Bundy. And then I think about Guerrieri and Bradley.

I take it you think he can stay in center?

[Midre Cum Ingz]

I take it you think he can stay in center?

I have no idea.

But let's just stay he moves over to LF (and play above-average defense there).

Having two guys like Howard and Owens ahead of Mahtook is very puzzling, unless you don't care about floor whatsoever.

[phragle]

http://www.baseballa...11/2611788.html

Bradley entered the year as our top-rated high school pitching prospect for the 2011 draft, and after a slow start, he finished as strong as ever. He hit 101 mph on the scoreboard radar gun and backed up his heat with a hammer curveball while winning the Oklahoma 6-A state championship game.

I love this guy. I'd give him 6 mil in a second, but it's not my money.

][/size]I have no idea.

But let's just stay he moves over to LF (and play above-average defense there).

Having two guys like Howard and Owens ahead of Mahtook is very puzzling, unless you don't care about floor whatsoever.

Don't be so defensive, I wasn't criticizing you.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

http://www.baseballa...11/2611788.html

I love this guy. I'd give him 6 mil in a second, but it's not my money.


Don't be so defensive, I wasn't criticizing you.

RAWFULLAIDZ, I wasn't being defensive nor did I think you were criticizing me. Projecting much? Yes.

Doling out 6 mill to Archie Bradley is foolish when you can get a player just as good or better for $4 million less at #19.

$4 million is about 40% of the entire draft budget.

P.S., G3T@M3 dode.

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 24 May 2011 - 10:01 PM.

[phragle]

I have no idea how you have been banned everywhere else

[Midre Cum Ingz]

I have no idea how you have been banned everywhere else

That's what they all say.

Let's talk draft.

It would be a wet dream come true for Jed Bradley or George Springer to be there at 19.

Billy Flamion is a guy I would love in rounds 3 or 4.

I would love Jackie Bradley or Jason Esposito in round 2 although there are some concerns with Espo's stick.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

That is pretty ballsy having 2 prep arms ahead of one of the surest bats you will ever see in the draft, Mikie Mahtook.

Have you seen his swing? It has metal bat swing written all over it.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

BA Top 200 w/stats available.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Have you seen his swing? It has metal bat swing written all over it.

Yup. I only comment on guys' hitting/pitching mechanics when I've seen it. I have to say this b/c I hate when some dode on an MB hasn't seen any video/live footage but then criticizes a guy's swing or pitching mechanics b/c KG or some hack complained about it. You see it, then you speak your mind. I'm going off ryte nao. Sorry, haha.

What don't you like about it?

It's one of those whippy line drive swings with great bat speed like Vitek. I dig, I dig.

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 25 May 2011 - 11:20 AM.

[alskor]

Have you seen his swing? It has metal bat swing written all over it.

Yup. Its a little choppy. Seems like that bat head doesn't stay in the zone long... don't like the swing plane, either. His backside collapses a lot, too.

I like Mahtook, and I think he will hit enough as a pro to be at least an average corner OF with good defense. I just like a lot of players more in this draft.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Those hacks KG and Mayo agree with you, Freddie.

Yup. Its a little choppy. Seems like that bat head doesn't stay in the zone long... don't like the swing plane, either. His backside collapses a lot, too.

This.

Edited by TheGoldenGreek33, 25 May 2011 - 11:36 AM.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Yup. Its a little choppy. Seems like that bat head doesn't stay in the zone long... don't like the swing plane, either. His backside collapses a lot, too.

I like Mahtook, and I think he will hit enough as a pro to be at least an average corner OF with good defense. I just like a lot of players more in this draft.

Have you seen the video on Mayo's top 50?

http://mlb.mlb.com/m...011/#list=draft

It's from last year in the Cape.

I see above-average hit tool and 25-30 HR power from that.

Reminds me of Vitek's whip in this vid:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=_At1CC1SA0A

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 25 May 2011 - 11:37 AM.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Those hacks KG and Mayo agree with you, Freddie.


This.

I don't know what KG thinks but Mayo says, ". He's got very good bat speed and with good mechanics and looks like he should be an above-average hitter at the next level. He hits to all fields, with his power -- which should be Major League average -- coming mostly to the pull side. He'll overswing at times, though that may be more due to his aggressive style than his lack of approach at the plate."


Not saying this validates my opinion at all but I enjoy Mayo's insights.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

My wishlist:

1.19: Jed Bradley/George Springer
1.26: Mikie Yourtook/Taylor Guerrieri/Josh Bell/Blake Swihart/Daniel Norris/Austin Hedges
1s.36: Tyler Beede/Jackie Bradley Jr.
1s.40: Jason Esposito/Robert Stephenson/CJ Cron/Kolten Wong/Henry Owens

NEED VIDEO ON SPANGENBERG AND HOWARD

Edited by Midre Cum Ingz, 27 May 2011 - 10:13 PM.

[Jimothy]

My wishlist:

1.19: Jed Bradley/George Springer
1.26: Mikie Yourtook/Taylor Guerrieri/Josh Bell/Blake Swihart
1s.36: Tyler Beede/Jackie Bradley Jr.
1s.40: Jason Esposito/Robert Stephenson/CJ Cron/Kolten Wong/Henry Owens

NEED VIDEO ON SPANGENBERG AND HOWARD

Dillon Howard video: http://mlb.mlb.com/v...p_copy_14747951

Edit: Not good with the whole internet thing, but if you scroll right on the bottom there is video of Howard there.

Here is the link to the top 50: http://mlb.mlb.com/m...011/#list=draft. Howard is #18 and his video is embedded there.

Edited by Jimothy, 25 May 2011 - 02:16 PM.

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Dillon Howard video: http://mlb.mlb.com/v...p_copy_14747951

Edit: Not good with the whole internet thing, but if you scroll right on the bottom there is video of Howard there.

Here is the link to the top 50: http://mlb.mlb.com/m...011/#list=draft. Howard is #18 and his video is embedded there.

Thanks mate.

Hopefully some Spangenberg video surfaces.

[RedOctober3829]

Anthony Meo threw a no-hitter today in Coastal's opening conference tournament game against Radford. He struck out 9 and walked 1.

[phragle]

Cumulative Mock Draft Board. Interesting.



http://www.raysprosp...raft-board.html

[Midre Cum Ingz]

Cumulative Mock Draft Board. Interesting.



http://www.raysprosp...raft-board.html

That is some jewcy stuff.

And I like how you made note of Meo's no-no coming against Radford.

Some guy posted on Sox Prospects that Meo threw a no-no!

It's important to let people know that it came against Radford so they don't get too excited.

My grandfather is a righty and he lost his right arm in the war; he could throw a no-no with either his left arm or his phantom right arm this second at 85 years-old against Radford.

[phragle]

Barnes pitching here now: http://bigeast.org/B...sSchedule1.aspx

[Carl Everetts Therapist]

Barnes pitching here now: http://bigeast.org/B...sSchedule1.aspx

And Springer playing CF

[ehaz]

Barnes looks legit.

Meanwhile, Springer seems to be hacking at everything

Edited by ehaz, 25 May 2011 - 08:33 PM.

[phragle]

And Springer playing CF

Also Nick Ahmed #7. 79th hitting prospect on BA's top 200.