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[JPA]

With the number of Android Tablets about to hit the market, I thought it might be useful to have a thread to discuss them.

Personally, I am looking forward to the release of the Motorola Xoom. From what I have read, it seems to have the best specs and will run a pure version of Honeycomb. Also, Ochocinco thinks it's awesome, so it must be good, right haha?

Is anyone else considering getting an Android tablet (or already have one, e.g. Galaxy Tab or rooted Nook Color )? If so, which one and why?

[Beomoose]

Rooted Nook color certainly has appeal.

I'm curious about the G-slate as potentially a more affordable alternative to the Xoom. I'm already on T-Mobile, and their data pricing has been pretty reasonable compared to the AT&T and Verizon "grease up and bend over" plans. Of course the Xoom certainly has a spec edge on paper, and I have a pretty mixed history with LG products.

[naclone]

XOOM for sure. The hardware is unmatched and if Google comes through with the cloud-based media solutions they are promising, it will be an amazing little machine.

One thing i am keeping an eye on, while Verizon has the NFL mobile app, only the apple MLB app allowed you to watch live games. Would love to watch Sox games on my tablet so I'm hoping MLB is not exclusive to apple again.

[behindthepen]

I'm impressed that they are getting the XOOM to market so quickly. Although I've heard rumblings that Moto's engineers are not so happy about it. I do think it will be great, between the power of the processor, the screen and Honeycomb. but there will also be a lot of competition by summertime.

[Dernells Casket n Flagon]

I'm almost positive I'll be getting an Android Tablet this year. I really really like everything I'm seeing about the Xoom so far, and depending on the price (as well as what the 4G upgradeable means) may purchase on launch day.

[JPA]

I'm curious about the G-slate as potentially a more affordable alternative to the Xoom.

I haven't heard much about the G-slate other than that it will be able to play and record video in 3D (although I think glasses will still be required). I think 3D is just a fad, but it would be a nice feature to have on a tablet, if only to watch the occasional 3D movie or sporting event. Has anything been released about the price? Given how expensive 3D tvs are, I would be surprised if the G-slate was much cheaper than the Xoom.

[santadevil]

EDIT/ You can ignore my post from below (as it appears you all mostly have anyway). I went to order another archos 70 for my wife, but they don't want to accept Canadian orders now, so I won't give them another dime in my lifetime.
I change my recommendation to a DO NOT BUY!



I received an Archos 70 - 8GB for Christmas.
I was the one to put in the research and determine what tablet I wanted and this is the one that fit my needs the best. Also, the cost was only $275.

Specs:
Size: 7 inch capacitive touch screen
Harddrive: 8GB Flash (250GB option there, but uses an actual spinning harddrive). I've also added a 16GB microSDHC card into it.
Processor: ARM Cortex A8 at 1 GHz with DSP
Graphic accelerator: 3D OpenGL ES 2.0
Android Build: Froyo (Android 2.2)
Wi-Fi: b/g/n (no 3G/4G option available)

All I wanted it for was to watch some movies when traveling, read books and surf the net.
I've downloaded the Kindle app for Android and bought a couple books. I personally don't mind reading in this thing, but I know other people don't like it as much.

Before I had received this, I had read a lot of posts on the ArchosFansForum and started to get worried about the tablet (just a ton of people not knowing how to use it properly, IMO).
But once I got it and was able to play with it, I love the damn thing (so does my wife).

Once I had it charged up and I got the market hack installed (very easy), I was going in about 15 minutes. No issues since.

It's nice and handy to use around the house for quick searches and I've finished reading a few books on it as well. It's been really nice overall.
It plays all my xvid movies without any issues, mp3's without any issues and even connects to my bluetooth GPS unit.
For the price, I think it's a great investment and have no trouble recommending them.
The only problem is, Archos is having trouble keeping up with demand and has been so old since Christmas, except for about 3 total days of having the option to purchase these.

On the other hand, my wife wants one and I think I'm in love with the Xoom, so we might turn into a two tablet household really quick.

Edited by santadevil, 10 February 2011 - 01:03 AM.

[jayhoz]

All of you Xoom fans are prepared to pay $700 for a tablet?

[Foulkey Reese]

All of you Xoom fans are prepared to pay $700 for a tablet?

Yea I just don't get how a tablet is worth anything over $500 or so.

I guess it depends on what you do with it. I just wanted something to check Facebook and Twitter in front of the tv that I could also use as a reader. The Nook Color is perfect for only $250.

I don't really see why anybody would need GPS or a camera on a tab device. Don't most people use their phones for that?

Edited by Foulkey Reese, 04 February 2011 - 11:09 AM.

[Hextall]

All of you Xoom fans are prepared to pay $700 for a tablet?

I assume the $700 price tag is a 3g one.... which is in the ballpark with the 32gb 3g Ipad.
If they keep the pricing consistent with the Ipad... I'd consider getting a wifi one if it's between $500-600... and they actually make one (I don't recall anything about a wifi one being made though).

That is pending today's attempt to buy and root a nook.

[JPA]

All of you Xoom fans are prepared to pay $700 for a tablet?

I was a little taken aback by the price, but when you consider that a Droid X goes for around $600 off contract and a 32GB iPhone 4 for $700 off contract (or $750 from Verizon), it doesn't seem that unreasonable. And as Hextall pointed out, it is actually less than the comparable iPad 3G 32GB model.

I don't really see why anybody would need GPS or a camera on a tab device. Don't most people use their phones for that?

You make a valid point about the GPS and camera (not to mention the built-in barometer). These features don't seem all that useful to me. I have an aging laptop that runs very slowly, so I'm planning on using the Xoom to do most of my web browsing, email, etc.

[Jimy Hendrix]

I'm right there with Foulkey on the camera. I can see a front-facing camera for video chatting, but I can't really picture using a rear-facing camera on even a 7-inch tablet without feeling like a giant tool, let alone on a 10-inch.

This is why I might be the only person left on Earth who kinda doesn't think the next iPad will have a rear-facing camera.

[jayhoz]

I was a little taken aback by the price, but when you consider that a Droid X goes for around $600 off contract and a 32GB iPhone 4 for $700 off contract (or $750 from Verizon), it doesn't seem that unreasonable. And as Hextall pointed out, it is actually less than the comparable iPad 3G 32GB model.



You make a valid point about the GPS and camera (not to mention the built-in barometer). These features don't seem all that useful to me. I have an aging laptop that runs very slowly, so I'm planning on using the Xoom to do most of my web browsing, email, etc.

I'm not sure an off contract smartphone or anything Apple is a great gauge of market prices.

[zenter]

I'm right there with Foulkey on the camera. I can see a front-facing camera for video chatting, but I can't really picture using a rear-facing camera on even a 7-inch tablet without feeling like a giant tool, let alone on a 10-inch.

This is why I might be the only person left on Earth who kinda doesn't think the next iPad will have a rear-facing camera.

Many tech reporter types (cNet, Engadget) think iPad doesn't make much sense with rear-facing camera. The real question is - I don't know why any smei-tech-savvy person would pay $500+ for a tablet when the NookColor is $250 and rootable? You might sacrifice on sheer wow factor, but that extra $250+ can be used towards the next tablet. To me, a 7-in tablet with similar specs to the Xoom needs to be $400 or lower to draw people away from iPad. As far as price+features are concerned, NookColor is still the killer Android tablet.

EDIT: To jayhoz's point, this is absolutely correct. I believe the hardware in an iPhone is ~$190. Add design, software development, and assembly costs, and you're probably not too far north of $220 for the iPhone 4. Most phones are spec'ed close to the iPhone, and Android phones have lower SW development costs. As a result, we're talking about high-margin devices with all of these things. Competition will drive the cost of all (except iPad) considerably downward. NookColor is the first of these to prove it, and when B&N opens their app store, the benefits of NC only become clearer.

EDIT 2: Galaxy Tab hardware is ~$220. Samsung and the carriers are raking it in, margin-wise.

Edited by zenter, 04 February 2011 - 02:55 PM.

[santadevil]

I assume the $700 price tag is a 3g one.... which is in the ballpark with the 32gb 3g Ipad.
If they keep the pricing consistent with the Ipad... I'd consider getting a wifi one if it's between $500-600... and they actually make one (I don't recall anything about a wifi one being made though).

That is pending today's attempt to buy and root a nook.

Xoom will come in just a Wi-Fi in April 2011.
Per Engadget

[Beomoose]

I haven't heard much about the G-slate other than that it will be able to play and record video in 3D (although I think glasses will still be required). I think 3D is just a fad, but it would be a nice feature to have on a tablet, if only to watch the occasional 3D movie or sporting event. Has anything been released about the price? Given how expensive 3D tvs are, I would be surprised if the G-slate was much cheaper than the Xoom.

The upfront price will likely be the same or not far off, but the data plan rates are likely to be noticeably less. I commute on a bus and a large reason to buy a tablet would be to use it there, outside of my home or work WiFi range.

[Hextall]

Having been brainwashed by all things Google.... I enjoyed the sly jabs at apple during the Xoom's super bowl ad. That is all.

[mt8thsw9th]

Having been brainwashed by all things Google.... I enjoyed the sly jabs at apple during the Xoom's super bowl ad. That is all.

Yeah, they're really sticking it to Big Brother with their $800 tablet that apparently has wifi locked unless you pay for a data plan.

http://www.intomobil...t=Google Reader

[Foulkey Reese]

Yeah, they're really sticking it to Big Brother with their $800 tablet that apparently has wifi locked unless you pay for a data plan.

http://www.intomobil...t=Google Reader

I'm sure it's a great device, but that is just insane.

[Dernells Casket n Flagon]

I was really hoping for it to be at least $100 cheaper or for there to be some decent deal buying it with like a 1 year contract or something. Not sure what I'm gonna do now, but I'm pretty sure I'll end up with a Tablet this year, and was hoping to get one fairly soon.

[Hextall]

Yeah, they're really sticking it to Big Brother with their $800 tablet that apparently has wifi locked unless you pay for a data plan.

http://www.intomobil...t=Google+Reader

I'm just going to believe the one in the Super Bowl ad was a wifi only version.

[/clinging to lie]

[Jimy Hendrix]

It seems to be way harder to kill the iPad on price than people think it is. Apple is not taking the "Apple tax" type markup out of those things and they're buying asstons of components at a massive scale as well in ways that are tough to match.

There is still room in the market to beat the iPad on price, but I think it's going to either be with carrier subsidies, lower powered hardware or loss leader tablets to sell other stuff.

Edited by Jimy Hendrix, 07 February 2011 - 04:13 PM.

[zenter]

It seems to be way harder to kill the iPad on price than people think it is. Apple is not taking the "Apple tax" type markup out of those things and they're buying asstons of components at a massive scale as well in ways that are tough to match.

There is still room in the market to beat the iPad on price, but I think it's going to either be with carrier subsidies, lower powered hardware or loss leader tablets to sell other stuff.

This post is just wrong. The data shows that iPad has ~100-150% markup, higher than your standard "Apple tax" (~70-100%) and comparable to or better than all current/soon-to-be-released tablets*. Since we already know Galaxy Tab hardware costs ~$220 and is almost identically-spec'd (except screen, OS) to iPad, all Samsung really needs to do is price it at ~$350 before carrier subsidy, and eat into iPad sales without getting even close to "loss" territory. If Motorola REALLY wanted to move the Xoom, they could price it at $500 before subsidy, or $450 wifi-only, and make people think twice about iPad.

I think you're thinking of the video game console world, where everyone (except Nintendo) puts out consoles at a loss at makes up the money with accessories and games. The tablet market is not this. Think of tablets like the anti-netbook. They are a luxury product in search of clear use-cases (netbooks are purely for basic computing), have a presumably short mobile phone-type usage life (netbooks have a presumed 3-5 year lifespan), and come with high margins (netbooks are approximately 10-25% by most estimates).

*NookColor is the exception to this, with estimated build cost at ~$200, and retail price at $250, which is why Foulkey (and others) think it's the best solution to the tablet question.

Edited by zenter, 07 February 2011 - 04:58 PM.

[mt8thsw9th]

we already know Galaxy Tab hardware costs ~$220[/url] and is almost identically-spec'd (except screen, OS) to iPad, all Samsung really needs to do is price it at ~$350 before carrier subsidy, and eat into iPad sales without getting even close to "loss" territory.

How much of these prices are R&D, advertising and other overhead? Manufacturers that aren't Apple typically have to advertise the shit out of their products, as Apple can now just coast on their reputation alone. Granted, they also do plenty of advertising, but people generally know what they're getting into with Apple, whereas companies like Motorola and Samsung need to win people over.

[zenter]

How much of these prices are R&D, advertising and other overhead? Manufacturers that aren't Apple typically have to advertise the shit out of their products, as Apple can now just coast on their reputation alone. Granted, they also do plenty of advertising, but people generally know what they're getting into with Apple, whereas companies like Motorola and Samsung need to win people over.

I figured someone would note this. In this case, I'm comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in terms of hardware/manufacturing costs. Apple probably spends more for marketing overall, but less per unit, but this is way too hard to determine without diving into the books. My main point is pointing out the "lie" of tablets being low-margin devices, which they decidedly are not*. So, my suspicion is that $350-400 should be well into in the profit range for Galaxy Tab or Xoom, both of which garnered their own buzz without a big marketing spend. Just not as spectacular a profit as $600-700.

* NookColor, blah, blah, blah

Edited by zenter, 07 February 2011 - 05:13 PM.

[NortheasternPJ]

So, my suspicion is that $350-400 should be well into in the profit range for Galaxy Tab or Xoom, both of which garnered their own buzz without a big marketing spend. Just not as spectacular a profit as $600-700.

I agree with most of what you wrote but I'm wondering if most of these manufacturers don't want to get back into the race they were in with PCs etc. Killing profit margins now means they'll have to deal with this for a long time to come. If they drop gross margin to say $100 on a unit (talking just hardware costs) now they'll never be able to go back. Granted I was shocked they are still coming in above price of an iPad.

Another issue is, if they put them in the market at $350-$400 can they even get enough supplies? Reportedly Apple just sent Samsung a $3.9 billion advance for parts.

[zenter]

I agree with most of what you wrote but I'm wondering if most of these manufacturers don't want to get back into the race they were in with PCs etc. Killing profit margins now means they'll have to deal with this for a long time to come. If they drop gross margin to say $100 on a unit (talking just hardware costs) now they'll never be able to go back. Granted I was shocked they are still coming in above price of an iPad.

Another issue is, if they put them in the market at $350-$400 can they even get enough supplies? Reportedly Apple just sent Samsung a $3.9 billion advance for parts.

Agreed with the first point, which is why the NookColor is everyone's winner (here, anyway). I can't wait for the day someone develops a super-easy 2 step root/ROM process for it. Expect more people to take it over iPad. B&N knows that NookColor a huge disrupter, in light of Apple's (failing) attempt to break into the e-reader market, and deeply undercutting them on comparably-spec'd hardware. That said, Motorola, Samsung, et al are probably playing the long game and are trying to play the 98/2% game that Apple plays in the PC market. They are likely intentionally aiming at a premium user with a certain profile, and hoping that the enthusiasm of these people will lead to a premium market placement for their devices.

On the latter point, the supply issue would affect most big-time manufacturers more or less equally. The real bottlenecks would be in flash memory and displays, but I honestly don't think they're a big deal until tablets hit "impulse buy" prices. Apple and Nintendo have proved that supply bottlenecks does not necessarily weaken sales, and may in fact sustain hype for these bigger purchases.

[Jimy Hendrix]

This post is just wrong. The data shows that iPad has ~100-150% markup, higher than your standard "Apple tax" (~70-100%) and comparable to or better than all current/soon-to-be-released tablets*. Since we already know Galaxy Tab hardware costs ~$220 and is almost identically-spec'd (except screen, OS) to iPad, all Samsung really needs to do is price it at ~$350 before carrier subsidy, and eat into iPad sales without getting even close to "loss" territory. If Motorola REALLY wanted to move the Xoom, they could price it at $500 before subsidy, or $450 wifi-only, and make people think twice about iPad.

I think you're thinking of the video game console world, where everyone (except Nintendo) puts out consoles at a loss at makes up the money with accessories and games. The tablet market is not this. Think of tablets like the anti-netbook. They are a luxury product in search of clear use-cases (netbooks are purely for basic computing), have a presumably short mobile phone-type usage life (netbooks have a presumed 3-5 year lifespan), and come with high margins (netbooks are approximately 10-25% by most estimates).

*NookColor is the exception to this, with estimated build cost at ~$200, and retail price at $250, which is why Foulkey (and others) think it's the best solution to the tablet question.

You're right on hardware, I suppose I've been assuming that the software/R&D/other costs must be killing manufacturers somewhere because otherwise I would just be really, really surprised that no one except B&N is making a play to attack Apple on price.

[Pesky Pole]

Anybody have any thoughts on the Viewsonic gTablet

Link to specs

Reviews on Amazon and elsewhere suggest it's very easily rootable and that Viewsonic has even endorsed some of the roots.

1GHz NVIDIA Tegra 2 - Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU
512MB DRR
16GB memory
Android 2.2 but should easily handle Honeycomb

Oh yeah and $369 shipped from J&R right now

[zenter]

Anybody have any thoughts on the Viewsonic gTablet

Link to specs

Reviews on Amazon and elsewhere suggest it's very easily rootable and that Viewsonic has even endorsed some of the roots.

1GHz NVIDIA Tegra 2 - Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU
512MB DRR
16GB memory
Android 2.2 but should easily handle Honeycomb

Oh yeah and $369 shipped from J&R right now

According to this it's not an "official" Android device, meaning Google and the Market aren't included. On the other hand, there seems to be a pretty active developer community undoing these wrongs. so, unless you're willing to dive into rooting/ROM-ing, etc., I'd stay away. If you are willing, that looks like a competitive deal.

[Pesky Pole]

Zenter-

Agree that you'd have to root it (like the Nook Color) but sounds like the Viewsonic update at the end of the year makes it passable and the XDA stuff makes it scream. The screen seems to be the biggest complaint people have with some calling it unworkable and others saying it's not bad at all.

With the Xoom allegedly pushing $800 plus being tied to Verizon, it made me look around today for something else. I'm sure patience is the way to go with all these tablets.

[SumnerH]

Anybody have any thoughts on the Viewsonic gTablet

Link to specs

Reviews on Amazon and elsewhere suggest it's very easily rootable and that Viewsonic has even endorsed some of the roots.

1GHz NVIDIA Tegra 2 - Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU
512MB DRR
16GB memory
Android 2.2 but should easily handle Honeycomb

Oh yeah and $369 shipped from J&R right now

It is indeed easily rooted. It is awesome it every way but 2:

1. The installed firmware sucks. If you're going to root it and put on VegaN or one of the other 3rd-party firmwares, that doesn't matter.
2. The touch screen goes all the way out to the very edges of the device. This was a deal breaker for me; I had one at home this weekend, rooted and with cool software on it. It's a really sweet piece of hardware otherwise, but this means that you can't even have a thumb pinching the front of the device anywhere while you're holding it, or the touchscreen gets all wonky. Incredibly frustrating, as I had the opportunity to buy one for $200 and it was otherwise pretty awesome. In retrospect, it'd totally be worth seeing if just putting some electrical tape around the edges on the front would fix this--if so, it's a good deal even if it looks kind of shitty that way. But I've lost access to the one I was playing with.

The screen is also like a netbook's: very good straight-on, but not so good at an angle. That really doesn't matter to me with this device, since it's only for personal use with the built-in screen, and there's a cradle available ($70ish) with HDMI out (and wired ethernet, extra USB, power charging, etc) for bigger video playback and the like. The latter's why I haven't pulled the trigger on a Nook--a Nook with good video playback and HDMI out, or a G Tablet with a better designed touchscreen would be almost exactly what I'm looking for in the $250ish price range. Sadly the two tablets I can find in that price range both have just one fatal flaw.

[Pesky Pole]

So I have to ask....where are you finding a GTablet for $200-$250? At that price, I might jump in despite the limitations.

[SumnerH]

So I have to ask....where are you finding a GTablet for $200-$250? At that price, I might jump in despite the limitations.

Someone in my office is selling it used, and let me take it home and play with it for the weekend.

[behindthepen]

This post is just wrong. The data shows that iPad has ~100-150% markup, higher than your standard "Apple tax" (~70-100%) and comparable to or better than all current/soon-to-be-released tablets*. Since we already know Galaxy Tab hardware costs ~$220 and is almost identically-spec'd (except screen, OS) to iPad, all Samsung really needs to do is price it at ~$350 before carrier subsidy, and eat into iPad sales without getting even close to "loss" territory. If Motorola REALLY wanted to move the Xoom, they could price it at $500 before subsidy, or $450 wifi-only, and make people think twice about iPad.

I think you're thinking of the video game console world, where everyone (except Nintendo) puts out consoles at a loss at makes up the money with accessories and games. The tablet market is not this. Think of tablets like the anti-netbook. They are a luxury product in search of clear use-cases (netbooks are purely for basic computing), have a presumably short mobile phone-type usage life (netbooks have a presumed 3-5 year lifespan), and come with high margins (netbooks are approximately 10-25% by most estimates).

*NookColor is the exception to this, with estimated build cost at ~$200, and retail price at $250, which is why Foulkey (and others) think it's the best solution to the tablet question.

the markup on the ipad is a lot less than that. The article you linked was posted before they even started selling them. The realized markup has been closer to 50% than 100% through the first 3 quarters of ipads existence.

Part of that is volume-related. The markup on the iphone is much higher but they also make/sell 4x as many in any given quarter, and they can leverage off of the ipod platform as well.

One of the issues for pricing the XOOM is that Motorola probably can't source enough materials to make millions of them, so there's not much incentive to compete on price early on because they wouldn't be able to fulfill demand anyway.

For perspective, look at HTC. They pretty much only make Android smartphones, and in their best quarter ever, they had Gross Margins of 30% (i.e, "~50% markup"), and operating margins of 16%. Although their average selling price was only $390. That's on 9m phones sold in the 4Q, or 1/2 of iphones sold in the same timeframe.

[JPA]

Yeah, they're really sticking it to Big Brother with their $800 tablet that apparently has wifi locked unless you pay for a data plan.

I was set on getting a Xoom until I heard about this. The $800 price tag is pretty brutal on its own, but locking a key feature of the product until you sign up for an unrelated service is inexcusable. It's just a complete insult to customers.

Looks like I might be spending some time in the Nook thread.

Edited by JPA, 09 February 2011 - 10:26 AM.

[Beomoose]

I was set on getting a Xoom until I heard about this. The $800 price tag is pretty brutal on its own, but locking a key feature of the product until you sign up for an unrelated service is just inexcusable. It's just a complete insult to customers.

Looks like I might be spending some time in the Nook thread.

It's status quo with Moto, unfortunately. GREAT hardware, shitty decisions on pricing. Take a look at the Atrix, awesome twin-core phone that you can dock into peripherals which turn it into things like a media center or a netbook. But Moto's charging so much for all the peripherals that most people won't want to use it as anything but a phone.

[johnmd20]

I was set on getting a Xoom until I heard about this. The $800 price tag is pretty brutal on its own, but locking a key feature of the product until you sign up for an unrelated service is inexcusable. It's just a complete insult to customers.

Looks like I might be spending some time in the Nook thread.

What an absolutely horrid decision on wifi, that is beyond a deal breaker. The price is utterly brutal, you can't out Apple Apple when you're a year behind. Nobody is going to buy this thing.

[plusbrians]

from T-Mobile:
The T-Mobile® G-Slate™ with Google™
is coming
Our first 4G tablet with Android™ 3.0 (Honeycomb)

4G and Wi-Fi capable
Brilliant 8.9" HD screen
Dual rear-facing 5MP cameras for 3D video capture, HD video capture, and photo capture
Front facing camera for video chat
32GB internal memory
Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1 support
NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor 1GHz

Rumor is March or Q2 release date

[santadevil]

T-Mobile LG G-Slate, just some more information and a link for plusbrians.

http://www.crunchgea...a-2-3d-support/

Specs looks nice, especially the 32GB and the 8.9" screen. Estimated March 23rd release date.

I'm not a fan of 10" screens for these...but I think 8.9" might be just about right.
The one I have is 7", and it seems just a touch small (that's what she said...90's joke).

/edit...spelling and release date added

Edited by santadevil, 10 February 2011 - 01:15 AM.

[Jimy Hendrix]

from T-Mobile:
The T-Mobile® G-Slate™ with Google™
is coming
Our first 4G tablet with Android™ 3.0 (Honeycomb)

4G and Wi-Fi capable
Brilliant 8.9" HD screen
Dual rear-facing 5MP cameras for 3D video capture, HD video capture, and photo capture
Front facing camera for video chat
32GB internal memory
Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1 support
NVIDIA® Tegra™ 2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor 1GHz

Rumor is March or Q2 release date

Dual rear facing cameras for 3D video seems like a really stupid feature to add right now. Extra device cost for a thing that nobody really wants at a consumer level yet.

[jayhoz]

The Moto Xoom is listed on Bestbuy.com for $1,199. That has to be a mistake or a cruel joke right? Right!

[JPA]

The Moto Xoom is listed on Bestbuy.com for $1,199. That has to be a mistake or a cruel joke right? Right!

Engadget is saying that the $1,199 price is just a placeholder, and that the final price will still be $800.

[Dernells Casket n Flagon]

Samsung announced the Galaxy Tab 10.1 today at MWC. 10.1" screen 1280x800 (same as Xoom), Tegra 2, 1 GB RAM, three versions, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB. Honeycomb with Google Experience.

Looks like the Xoom might be getting some legit competition very soon. Hope this will drive down pricing a bit.

[santadevil]

HTC Flyer announced today. Release is figured during Q2 2011
Looks fairly interesting, but will only be running Android 2.4 to start (no information on Android 3.0 Honeycomb at this point, but looks to have the specs for it).

Specs:
7" Capacitive Touch screen (1024 x 600 resolution)
1.5GHz processor
1GM Ram
32GB onboard memory, with SD slot for increased memory
Looks like it will be carrier data based. Don't see any mention of Wi-Fi (that sucks).

The interesting thing here is that this will come with a stylus for taking notes and such. I can't explain it worth a darn, so maybe watch the video in the second link below to get a better idea.

Information:
http://www.engadget....inpage_engadget
http://www.engadget....s-aka-htc-scri/

edit/ dates and screen resolution

Edited by santadevil, 15 February 2011 - 10:09 PM.

[Beomoose]

Samsung announced the Galaxy Tab 10.1 today at MWC. 10.1" screen 1280x800 (same as Xoom), Tegra 2, 1 GB RAM, three versions, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB. Honeycomb with Google Experience.

Looks like the Xoom might be getting some legit competition very soon. Hope this will drive down pricing a bit.

If the Tab 10.1 comes with vanilla Android (no TouchWiz) I can't see why anyone would buy a XOOM.

[Foulkey Reese]

HTC Flyer announced today. Release is figured during Q2 2011
Looks fairly interesting, but will only be running Android 2.4 to start (no information on Android 3.0 Honeycomb at this point, but looks to have the specs for it).

Specs:
7" Capacitive Touch screen (1024 x 600 resolution)
1.5GHz processor
1GM Ram
32GM onboard memory, with SD slot for increased memory
Looks like it will be carrier data based. Don't see any mention of Wi-Fi (that sucks).

The interesting thing here is that this will come with a stylus for taking notes and such. I can't explain it worth a darn, so maybe watch the video in the second link below to get a better idea.

Information:
http://www.engadget....inpage_engadget
http://www.engadget....s-aka-htc-scri/

edit/ dates and screen resolution

That looks really, really awesome.

[Beomoose]

Doesn't Asus have a =/= 7in Android Tablet w/stylus coming as well? I was a stylus fan in early smartphone days, way back in 2007.

[santadevil]

HTC Flyer...reported price is roughly $730.

A little steep for me.

Source: http://www.engadget....-for-669-euros/

[santadevil]

Official Xoom pricing released for unsubsidized.
http://www.engadget....inpage_engadget

Looks like three different tiers.
http://www.engadget....ndentical-to-o/

Wifi only model - $599
3G or 4G model (plus wifi) - $799