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#1 Gambler7

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:43 AM

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feliciano is close to a deal with #yankees. will get $4 mil a yr, 2 yrs plus, an option

Decent amount of money for a lefty specialist.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:46 AM

A 34 year old lefty specialist with poor control is getting $4 million a year? This could end well.

#3 Gambler7

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:48 AM

You have to wonder what Fuentes is asking for or if he just really wants to close. It seems like you could get him for a few million more a year for much better value, unless they plan on doing that as well.

Edit: They also already had Logan on the roster, who is pretty similar (and younger). I can't imagine they will carry both those guys.

Edited by Gambler7, 17 December 2010 - 09:57 AM.


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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:49 AM

Isn't he blind?
Feliz Navidad, New York!

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:54 AM

Isn't he blind?
Feliz Navidad, New York!


Hence the control problems.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:13 AM

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Feliciano deal with #Yankees will be 2 years, $9M, plus a club option. #Mets #MLB



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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:18 AM

Not much to add, but with the likely (in my opinion) signing of Soriano they will have the reliver 'iano' markey cornered...

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:24 AM

the cost of relievers has been nuts this off-season...

I don't fault NY, as the market's been insane but going into this off-season, I'd never have thought that a guy with a 1.5 WHIP last year and a career BB/9 in the NL East hovering around 4 would get two years.

He's a useful pitcher but damn, paying for production out of the bullpen on the free agent market sucks, especially this year.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:34 AM

I'll get the obvious out of the way - this was largely a reaction to the Crawford and Gonzalez signings. However, the other 50 innings against teams not the Red Sox, what does he really add to their team besides an insane contract for a specialist? This is like the Mike Myers contract in 2006, except Myers had some recent success in the AL East and signed for 25% of what Feliciano signed for.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:58 AM

Joe West hates this contract. Girardi now has 19 games against BOS to play matchup Tetris and tack on about five more minutes per game.

Adrian Gonzalez career: 3 for 15, 8K's.

Another tidbit: his 4.3 BB/9 in 2010 is misleading because 10 of his 30 walks were intentional. Throw those out and it's down to 3.4.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 11:57 AM

Isn't he blind?
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Dude, me and probably Fris got this. Great job.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 12:01 PM

What a weird and potentially awful offseason this has been for NY. Unless one or two of these guys is the next Aaron Small, Cashman is going to have a lot of explaining to do.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 12:44 PM

Dude, me and probably Fris got this. Great job.

Yeah, probably just you and Fris I'm sure. You are such the renaissance man.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 12:46 PM

What a weird and potentially awful offseason this has been for NY. Unless one or two of these guys is the next Aaron Small, Cashman is going to have a lot of explaining to do.


Aaron Small was a starter, dunno what you mean, and I'm also not sure what Cashman should be explaining. There was one quality SP on the market, and Cashman did pretty much all he could to get him. I'm personally getting increasingly excited to see some kids maybe get a shot at the back of the rotation, starting with Nova.

As for Feliciano, not crazy about an overpriced LOOGY, but can't get too upset either. I would really like to see them overpay Soriano, even if I pretty much know that's not going to happen.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 12:49 PM

Aaron Small was a starter, dunno what you mean, and I'm also not sure what Cashman should be explaining. There was one quality SP on the market, and Cashman did pretty much all he could to get him. I'm personally getting increasingly excited to see some kids maybe get a shot at the back of the rotation, starting with Nova.

As for Feliciano, not crazy about an overpriced LOOGY, but can't get too upset either. I would really like to see them overpay Soriano, even if I pretty much know that's not going to happen.


No you're not.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 12:55 PM

Aaron Small was a starter, dunno what you mean, and I'm also not sure what Cashman should be explaining. There was one quality SP on the market, and Cashman did pretty much all he could to get him. I'm personally getting increasingly excited to see some kids maybe get a shot at the back of the rotation, starting with Nova.

As for Feliciano, not crazy about an overpriced LOOGY, but can't get too upset either. I would really like to see them overpay Soriano, even if I pretty much know that's not going to happen.


In 2005, Small appeared in 15 games- 9 as a starter and 6 as a reliever. And he went 10-0. I was referring to the fact that NY caught lightning in a bottle somehow that year, and that they'll need to do that again this year from guys like Feliciano, Pryor, Martin, etc. Otherwise he really didn't improve the team at all and, depending on whether certain guys are able to rebound, the team could easily be worse.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 01:02 PM

In 2005, Small appeared in 15 games- 9 as a starter and 6 as a reliever. And he went 10-0. I was referring to the fact that NY caught lightning in a bottle somehow that year, and that they'll need to do that again this year from guys like Feliciano, Pryor, Martin, etc. Otherwise he really didn't improve the team at all and, depending on whether certain guys are able to rebound, the team could easily be worse.


Ah, OK. Well, I think he's also counting on help at some point this year from Montero and some of the young pitchers, which is a refreshing approach for a Yankee fan (not that it was plan A, obviously).

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 01:37 PM

Dude, me and probably Fris got this. Great job.


This is either mind-numbingly stupid or brilliantly satirical and I can't figure out which at the moment.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:26 PM

Ah, OK. Well, I think he's also counting on help at some point this year from Montero and some of the young pitchers, which is a refreshing approach for a Yankee fan (not that it was plan A, obviously).

My question is, whether the front office and field manager have the patience to let Montero get a full baptism in 2011. Cashman seems to have indicated the Martin signing allows them to slow down the clock on Montero. They can let him start the season in Scranton, which takes the pressure off the kid and delays his arbitration clock by one year. Martin starts at catcher on Opening Day with Cervelli in reserve. Of course, if Montero hits a ton in spring training, of if Martin's hip goes out, then the timetable is rushed again.

The other thing that seems obvious right now is the Yankees may have missed on two big free agents but the offseason is still young. The chefs are still in the kitchen, fixing the ingredients. I may have reservations, as a fan, about the way the winter is going, but we all know pennant races don't get serious until August. Cashman has plenty of time to make a trade to shore up the rotation.

Having said that, it's easy to admit Boston is the team to beat in 2011. Still some holes over there but that is the best team in baseball, on paper, right now. December 17, 2010.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 03:00 PM

This is either mind-numbingly stupid or brilliantly satirical and I can't figure out which at the moment.


Feliciano, and his music, got around it seems. I apologize for my assumption.

Um, erm, yea... 4MM for a 1 hitter a inning pitcher? Yayy. There, the topic is back on track now.

Edited by rembrat, 17 December 2010 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2010 - 03:05 PM

The other thing that seems obvious right now is the Yankees may have missed on two big free agents but the offseason is still young.


I keep reading this on Yankee boards but is that really the case? It IS December 17 and all the big name, big impact FA are off "the table." All there is left is the ridiculous bullpen market, which the Yankees just dipped into, and a few spare parts like Bill Hall. The Yankees have some chips but it's highly unlikely they acquire a Grienke (no one wants to put him in NY because of his issues) or a King Felix (Jack Z said he isn't even thinking about dealing him now)..

I mean, that's it, the guys you have on your roster, will be the 2011 Yankees. And if that is the case, they have taken a step back.

Edited by rembrat, 17 December 2010 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2010 - 03:09 PM

I keep reading this on Yankee boards but is that really the case? It IS December 17 and all the big name, big impact FA are off "the table." All there is left is the ridiculous bullpen market, which the Yankees just dipped into, and a few spare parts like Bill Hall. The Yankees have some chips but it's highly unlikely they acquire a Grienke (no one wants to put him in NY because of his issues) or a King Felix (Jack Z said he isn't even thinking about dealing him now)..

I mean, that's it, the guys you have on your roster, will be the 2011 Yankees. And if that is the case, they have taken a step back.


I think the implication is that the MFY could still do something big by trade. You'd have to be blind not to see that.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 03:22 PM

I keep reading this on Yankee boards but is that really the case? It IS December 17 and all the big name, big impact FA are off "the table." All there is left is the ridiculous bullpen market, which the Yankees just dipped into, and a few spare parts like Bill Hall. The Yankees have some chips but it's highly unlikely they acquire a Grienke (no one wants to put him in NY because of his issues) or a King Felix (Jack Z said he isn't even thinking about dealing him now)..

I mean, that's it, the guys you have on your roster, will be the 2011 Yankees. And if that is the case, they have taken a step back.

I think Cashman is working various trade possibilities but doesn't want to jump at the first thing he sees. Hell, the Clemens for Wells trade didn't happen until February, 1999. I remember because that was the day the music began to die.

Plenty of time to make a trade. Right on up until July 31. I think the Yankees are good enough to stay in contention until then. The step back is right now they are a wild-card contender. I don't think this is a championship team, as currently constructed.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 06:55 PM

And if that is the case, they have taken a step back.


Assuming Pettitte comes back, I think they've just moved sideways, both compared to the 2010 edition and within the division. Boston has gotten better, TB worse, and NY right now (again, if they get Pettitte back) is about the same.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 07:06 PM

There the same if:

Cano can continue to carry the offense
Rodriguez and Teixeira don't start to show their age
Posada don't wake up one day and realize he has the body of a 39 yr old catcher
Jeter doesn't continue to trend downward
Swisher can have another "breakout" year
Granderson doesn't lose his swing for 2 or 3 months of the season
Gardner can continue to get on base at an absurd level for a guy with his skillset

And pitching is always a question mark for everyone outside of elite starters (CC) or relievers (Mariano)..

This, in part, is why we all happen to be giddy over here at Red Sox land.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 07:47 PM

Three AL playoff teams from last season have lost key players, and in some cases have gotten significantly worse. Tampa (Crawford, Soriano, Pena), Texas (Lee), and Minnesota (Pavano, Crain, Geurrier). The White Sox and Tigers upgraded on offense, but made no major changes to their rotations. Greinke may be on his way to the NL depending on what trade happens. Face it, the AL will not be as strong in 2011 as it was last season. It may only take 90 wins to get the Wild Card.

Edited by SemperFidelisSox, 17 December 2010 - 07:48 PM.


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Posted 17 December 2010 - 07:53 PM

Three AL playoff teams from last season have lost key players, and in some cases have gotten significantly worse. Tampa (Crawford, Soriano, Pena), Texas (Lee), and Minnesota (Pavano, Crain, Geurrier). The White Sox and Tigers upgraded on offense, but made no major changes to their rotations. Greinke may be on his way to the NL depending on what trade happens. Face it, the AL will not be as strong in 2011 as it was last season. It may only take 90 wins to get the Wild Card.


But four non-playoff teams appear to have gotten stronger -- Boston, Oakland, Detroit, and Chicago. It still may only take 90 wins to take the wild card, but to discount the playoff teams that have not improved without acknowledging the strides the other teams that have seems somewhat shortsighted.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 08:03 PM

Assuming Pettitte comes back, I think they've just moved sideways, both compared to the 2010 edition and within the division. Boston has gotten better, TB worse, and NY right now (again, if they get Pettitte back) is about the same.


I basically agree. Tampa have taken a definite step back with the loss of Crawford and much of their bullpen. If they were to move Garza that could have a big impact as well.

The Yanks assuming Pettitte returns, are about the same as last year, but with some age/performance concerns. Every team will always have a few question marks though, so even *if* no significant moves are made, the Yanks could still be a powerhouse as currently constructed. Though that may be a little optimistic with their rotation, things would really have to fall just right for them there in order to reach 95+ wins.

With Boston many may tend to overstate the actual improvement from last season with the big new names. The net effect of losing Beltre and Victor while acquiring Gonzalez and Crawford shouldn't be that all that much, and could very well be a net negative, when considering just how good Beltre was last year. Granted the injuries were decimating and it's unlikely that injuries would be nearly as dramatic in consecutive years.

From the perspective of SoS for the Yanks and Sox, whatever step back the Rays made the opposite case could be made for Toronto though that may be exaggerating things a bit. I could see Baltimore building off their strong finish and improve on their 66 wins. The AL East could be every bit the powerhouse it was last year, but probably not quite as top heavy.

the cost of relievers has been nuts this off-season...


It really has. Most of these teams will be looking back at their 3 year middle relief deals with regret. It's the one thing that makes you wonder if the Sox are actively looking to move Papelbon. Maybe a team will be willing to pay something that greatly exceeds a type A compensation and whatever the front office expects his 2010 performance to be. Without knowing the all the details it's hard to really say with much conviction. Unless they're in on Soriano and some team is unexpectedly high on one year of Paps with a chance to sign him or get his picks, I'd prefer them to leave it be and take their chances next year with Paps-Bard-Jenks.

Another tidbit: his 4.3 BB/9 in 2010 is misleading because 10 of his 30 walks were intentional. Throw those out and it's down to 3.4.


Good point. Where do you get this number? Without removing the IBB Feliciano's bb/9 the last 4 years is 4.36, 4.39, 2.73 and 4.31.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 08:47 PM

With Boston many may tend to overstate the actual improvement from last season with the big new names. The net effect of losing Beltre and Victor while acquiring Gonzalez and Crawford shouldn't be that all that much, and could very well be a net negative, when considering just how good Beltre was last year. Granted the injuries were decimating and it's unlikely that injuries would be nearly as dramatic in consecutive years.


Relative to last year's performance, yes, Gonzalez/Crawford is probably only a slight improvement over Martinez/Beltre. But when compared to expected production going forward, I think it's going to end up a moderate upgrade at the very least, and when you consider the additions of a healthy Youk, Pedroia and Ellsbury to the team, the Red Sox are going to be significantly improved over the 2010 offense. Yes, the Pawtucket Shuttle provided really solid replacement performance which mitigated the loss from all the injuries, but I don't think it's being overly optimistic to expect a big improvement with the sticks.

On paper, this looks like it's going to be the best offense in the AL (probably all of MLB) next year. At least, at this point with roughly two months left before pitchers and catchers start reporting. We could be in for a 2003-2005 style grind it out line up with pop. We won't be seeing 7 of the 9 starters knocking out at least 19 home runs like in 03, but would anyone be surprised to see Gonzalez hit 40, Youk and Papi hit 30 each, Crawford, Pedroia, Cameron and Drew hit 15 and Lowrie hit double digits?

This offense should be incredibly fun to watch, while still maintaining the patient and relentless approach that Theo's teams tend to have every year.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 08:57 PM

I'm fascinated that there are people expecting ARod and Teixeira to "start showing their age" and then others that expect a 35-year-old Ortiz to hit 30 home runs.

I think the Red Sox offense is going to be good, but to assume the Yankees offense is suddenly going to fall off a cliff is exaggerating things a bit.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:03 PM

Well, go to b-ref and look at the OPS's of Marky Mark and Alex from 2007-2010 and tell me if there are any trends.

Also, while I don't have a say whether Ortiz will or will not break 30HR next year, he did hit 28 at age 33 and 32 at age 34. So, it's pretty possible, friend.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:07 PM

Well, considering he's hit 28 or more in his last 3 healthy seasons and still managed 23 in his injury shortened 2008 (only 109 games), there's nothing unreasonable about predicting him to hit roughly 30 in 2011. He's devolved into a high strike out slugger at this point. He crushes the ball a lot, but also swings and misses a ton. He's a far cry from his 2005 form, but he's still dangerous... at least, against righties.

It may be a bit much to expect Teixeira and ARod to drop off the table, but both could be headed for Papi like declines where they maintain some pop, but they still see a drop in their OBP and SLG percentages. They can each hit 30 home runs next year while still taking a step back from their 2009 and 2010 seasons. Teixeira, who will only be 31 next year, is far less likely to have this happen than ARod, though.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:13 PM

Teixeira will be fine. ARod, on the other hand, is no young pup and I don't think he looked right all last season. Between his hip, his age, and his supposed lack of PEDs, I'd be very surprised if he hits much better than he did last year.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:18 PM

Relative to last year's performance, yes, Gonzalez/Crawford is probably only a slight improvement over Martinez/Beltre. But when compared to expected production going forward, I think it's going to end up a moderate upgrade at the very least, and when you consider the additions of a healthy Youk, Pedroia and Ellsbury to the team, the Red Sox are going to be significantly improved over the 2010 offense. Yes, the Pawtucket Shuttle provided really solid replacement performance which mitigated the loss from all the injuries, but I don't think it's being overly optimistic to expect a big improvement with the sticks.

On paper, this looks like it's going to be the best offense in the AL (probably all of MLB) next year. At least, at this point with roughly two months left before pitchers and catchers start reporting. We could be in for a 2003-2005 style grind it out line up with pop. We won't be seeing 7 of the 9 starters knocking out at least 19 home runs like in 03, but would anyone be surprised to see Gonzalez hit 40, Youk and Papi hit 30 each, Crawford, Pedroia, Cameron and Drew hit 15 and Lowrie hit double digits?

This offense should be incredibly fun to watch, while still maintaining the patient and relentless approach that Theo's teams tend to have every year.


My hopes for the Sox underperforming rest on pitching and defense.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:35 PM

My hopes for the Sox underperforming rest on pitching and defense.


Honestly, I think the pitching has a better chance to improve than it does to get worse. Beckett and Lackey were both pretty much useless last year. Any improvement from either is a step forward and a healthy Beckett stands a decent chance of improving on that 2010 line. Lackey looked better in the second half and may have been adjusting to the AL East... or it might have been small sample size noise. I think there's a good enough chance that both will improve, even if only slightly, that the rotation should be looked at with a healthy amount of optimism.

And with the addition of Jenks to the bullpen, they suddenly have a very strong pitching staff overall.

The defense is likely taking a step back in 2011, I'll grant you that. Youk won't be anywhere close to what Beltre provided at 3rd in 2010, but Gonzalez should be roughly equal to what Youk was at 1st. Lowrie over Scutaro is likely a wash defensively and Pedroia will be Pedroia. Cameron, Ellsbury and Crawford make up a ton of range in CF and LF with Drew likely losing a step but still being solid. Salty is probably a step up defensively from Martinez. Overall, the drop from Beltre to Youk at third is too much to over come with the addition of Crawford and replacing Martinez with Salty. But the net gain when you factor in the offense should be significant. Add to that even a slightly improved pitching staff and we've got ourselves a contender.

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 10:53 PM

ARod, on the other hand, is no young pup and I don't think he looked right all last season. Between his hip, his age, and his supposed lack of PEDs, I'd be very surprised if he hits much better than he did last year.


He says, FWIW, that since this is the first full offseason he's had to train since the hip surgery, he expects to bounce back next year. Of course he would say that, hence the FWIW.

I see a lot of possible improvements for NY also, rembrat. A few off the top of my head:

Hughes with his first uncapped innings season.
Gardner played hurt the second half of last year.
Granderson made a drastic change to his hitting approach in August and had a .920 OPS after that.
Bounce back years from Tex and A-Rod.
Montero's potential as an impact bat.
Some of the young arms like Betances and Banuelos maybe being ready to contribute by late in the year.

Of course, we all know NY is at their best when my man rembrat is predicting doom and gloom for them. :lol:

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 11:07 PM

Honestly, I think the pitching has a better chance to improve than it does to get worse. Beckett and Lackey were both pretty much useless last year. Any improvement from either is a step forward and a healthy Beckett stands a decent chance of improving on that 2010 line. Lackey looked better in the second half and may have been adjusting to the AL East... or it might have been small sample size noise. I think there's a good enough chance that both will improve, even if only slightly, that the rotation should be looked at with a healthy amount of optimism.

And with the addition of Jenks to the bullpen, they suddenly have a very strong pitching staff overall.

The defense is likely taking a step back in 2011, I'll grant you that. Youk won't be anywhere close to what Beltre provided at 3rd in 2010, but Gonzalez should be roughly equal to what Youk was at 1st. Lowrie over Scutaro is likely a wash defensively and Pedroia will be Pedroia. Cameron, Ellsbury and Crawford make up a ton of range in CF and LF with Drew likely losing a step but still being solid. Salty is probably a step up defensively from Martinez. Overall, the drop from Beltre to Youk at third is too much to over come with the addition of Crawford and replacing Martinez with Salty. But the net gain when you factor in the offense should be significant. Add to that even a slightly improved pitching staff and we've got ourselves a contender.



For the most part, I agree. Small chance that the SPs don't improve relative to last year. But more chance that than the Sox floundering offensively. Sox are more than contenders; they are the AL favorites.

But it still pleases me to be able to somewhat legitimately use the "pitching and defense" line after reading some of the stuff on the main board last off-season. :)

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 11:18 PM

Tampa have taken a definite step back with the loss of Crawford and much of their bullpen.


And Pena and Bartlett.

If they were to move Garza that could have a big impact as well.


This I don't know about, since they have Hellickson completely ready to step in. Price/Niemann/Shields/Davis/Hellickson would probably get my vote for best rotation in the league going into spring training. Besides that and Longoria, though, there's not much else left, their kids will have to contribute a ton for them to be a contender again.

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 01:17 PM

There the same if:

Cano can continue to carry the offense
Rodriguez and Teixeira don't start to show their age
Posada don't wake up one day and realize he has the body of a 39 yr old catcher
Jeter doesn't continue to trend downward
Swisher can have another "breakout" year
Granderson doesn't lose his swing for 2 or 3 months of the season
Gardner can continue to get on base at an absurd level for a guy with his skillset

And pitching is always a question mark for everyone outside of elite starters (CC) or relievers (Mariano)..

This, in part, is why we all happen to be giddy over here at Red Sox land.



You kind of attacked the offense but the only parts that didn't underperform last year were Cano, Swisher, and Granderson. Everyone else took a step back offensively. It's too many moving pieces to predict that some will take a step forward and some will take a step back again this year. It's a risky offense but it does have quite a few solid pieces. Posada won't be catching either and that should help him just swing the bat.



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Posted 18 December 2010 - 02:15 PM

And Pena and Bartlett.

This I don't know about, since they have Hellickson completely ready to step in. Price/Niemann/Shields/Davis/Hellickson would probably get my vote for best rotation in the league going into spring training. Besides that and Longoria, though, there's not much else left, their kids will have to contribute a ton for them to be a contender again.


Yeah, I forgot about those two when generalizing a bit there. Not that they aren't a loss per se, but both struggled a bit last year so in the sense of comparing teams to their previous seasons club, I guess they aren't that much of hit. Though a rebound for either wouldn't be that surprising. But just to go back to the original point, the Rays will be hard pressed getting to that 96 win mark again without a lot of offensive help from youngsters and one or two Benoit type diamonds in the rough out of their pen (IOW I dont see it).

Hellickson did quite well last year in his cup of coffee and has a very strong minor league track record. He's has had some elbow(?) issues in his past, but other than that, yeah, he looks to be a pretty solid internal arm that their organization have developed. Not that Garza is anything but insufferable, but I'd be at least a little cautious pencilling in a 24 year old regardless of his background to replace a pitcher that has thrown 600 innings in the past 3 seasons with a ERA's ranging from 3.7-3.95. Those numbers coming out of the AL East are impressive, so assuming the loss Garza would be a negative to the 2011 team isn't really a stretch. Garza has 3+ years of service time and even though the pay is starting to escalate he's still a strong value. If the Rays were to play their cards right with a Garza deal they could help themselves out quite a bit as the package I'd think would need to be strong. Until they were to make the move it's hard to say though. I would think they will remain assertive in the Garza trade front while the Greinke sweepstakes are going on. If the Royals are asking too much, they may match up well with someone marketing Garza as a middle-class-mans Greinke.

We probably are not that far off in our assessments of where the AL East stands on 12/18. With Garza in the rotation I agree, the Rays have a strong shot at being the best rotation in the AL. Last year in the AL they ranked 1st in tERA, 2nd in ERA, 3rd in xFIP and 5th in FIP. Without Garza I'd be a little surprised if they ended up being the best rotation, but wouldn't say the prediction is that outlandish.

Edited by Adirondack jack, 18 December 2010 - 03:47 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2010 - 12:03 PM

Feliciano's led the majors in appearances in each of the last 3 years. Only other guy to do that in the modern reliever era was Steve Kline. Only other pitcher to appear >86 times three times consecutively was Paul Quantrill. Will his arm eventually fall off or does throwing mid-80s junk preclude that? If not, seems like a good enough pickup for the Yanks given the Little League dimensions in right field.

#42 Trlicek's Whip

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 06:51 AM

Good point. Where do you get this number? Without removing the IBB Feliciano's bb/9 the last 4 years is 4.36, 4.39, 2.73 and 4.31.

I went to Feliciano's Baseball Reference page and re-did his BB/9 after taking out his IBB's. Of course I eyeballed it so wasn't as precise as I could have been. In my haste to report the signing ;) I said 3.4 but lopped off the closer figure.

[(30 BB - 6 IBB) = 24 BB x 9 / 62.2 IP]= 3.47 BB/9

Edited by Trlicek's Whip, 20 December 2010 - 06:53 AM.


#43 crow216


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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:33 PM

I went to Feliciano's Baseball Reference page and re-did his BB/9 after taking out his IBB's. Of course I eyeballed it so wasn't as precise as I could have been. In my haste to report the signing ;) I said 3.4 but lopped off the closer figure.

[(30 BB - 6 IBB) = 24 BB x 9 / 62.2 IP]= 3.47 BB/9



off topic but omg is that last quote in your sig terrible. It's probably the most ridiculous sentence ever put together about Mariano Rivera ever on this forum.

#44 JMDurron

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 12:51 PM

But four non-playoff teams appear to have gotten stronger -- Boston, Oakland, Detroit, and Chicago. It still may only take 90 wins to take the wild card, but to discount the playoff teams that have not improved without acknowledging the strides the other teams that have seems somewhat shortsighted.


I can't find the damn graph with the "games lost to injury by team" to save my life, either here or on Google, but if the Blue Jays do not suffer as many injuries as they apparently did last season, they might improve by default even with their losses in the bullpen. There is also the possibility of an improved (and again, healthy) Orioles team making some noise under Buck Showalter. That is potentially 6 non-playoff teams that have improved, 3 of which are in the AL East.

#45 JBill

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 03:33 PM

Cashman's campaign of brutal honesty and strange comments to the press continues:

Mets abused Feliciano....but Cashman went after him:

He was abused, Cashman said. Its a thin market when youre looking for lefties, and hes one of the better ones out there. But you dont typically go after a guy whos been used like that.


ESPN

So why did he go ahead anyway?

When he was asked about signing Feliciano in light of the overuse, Cashman said it was a limited market.

Its one of these, Cashman said, holding up crossed fingers.


LoHud blog

Cash, you keep being you.

#46 mr guido

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 03:34 PM

Feliciano's led the majors in appearances in each of the last 3 years. Only other guy to do that in the modern reliever era was Steve Kline. Only other pitcher to appear >86 times three times consecutively was Paul Quantrill. Will his arm eventually fall off or does throwing mid-80s junk preclude that? If not, seems like a good enough pickup for the Yanks given the Little League dimensions in right field.

Looks like the arms mid-80s junkballers do indeed fall off. Who knew?

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=6284137

Feliciano (left rotator cuff strain) is currently on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to March 22. He is scheduled to begin throwing on Wednesday. And depending how that goes, the Yankees will then determine how they want to proceed moving forward. He will need to complete a throwing program before he returns.

Feliciano led the majors in appearances the last three seasons, and in 2010, he became just the fifth pitcher in MLB history to make 90 or more appearances.

"He was abused," Cashman said. "It's a thin market when you're looking for lefties, and he's one of the better ones out there. But you don't typically go after a guy who's been used like that."


Edited by mr guido, 02 April 2011 - 03:35 PM.


#47 jippaman

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 02:57 AM

The absurdity of Cashman's comments underscores the absurdity of being GM of the Yankees. It doesn't matter what he says or does, because the ramifications are only money lost and media bitching. If Feliciano's arm falls off, so what - they'll find another to sign over value.

#48 jon abbey


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Posted 03 April 2011 - 07:01 AM

The absurdity of Cashman's comments underscores the absurdity of being GM of the Yankees. It doesn't matter what he says or does, because the ramifications are only money lost and media bitching. If Feliciano's arm falls off, so what - they'll find another to sign over value.


Of course, he hasn't had almost any dud signings in recent years, big or little. He has had trouble finding reliable lefty relievers that can stay healthy, but who hasn't? Also, it's not like Feliciano blew out his arm (yet), they expect him back on the team before the end of April.

This is just more of Cashman being publicly honest when there's not much reason to do so. Maybe someone bet him a million dollars he couldn't be publicly honest all year?

#49 billy ashley

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 09:38 AM

I agree with JA- this doesn't really reflect on Cashman's ability to run an organization. It's only yet another example of his bizarre behavior towards the press.

Why is he doing it? Who knows, but it's entertaining and makes baseball more interesting. I hope this continues.

#50 jippaman

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 10:31 AM

I agree with JA- this doesn't really reflect on Cashman's ability to run an organization. It's only yet another example of his bizarre behavior towards the press.

Why is he doing it? Who knows, but it's entertaining and makes baseball more interesting. I hope this continues.


I didn't suggest that it has anything to do with his ability to be a GM, but it is a reflection of how he runs the Yankees with a kind of "whatever" attitude. And yeah, I hope it continues, too - the quotes are great.