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[LahoudOrBillyC]

It is interesting to see the return of the great middle of the order, harkening back to Manny and Ortiz. Youkilis is one of the more underrated players in baseball, even in Boston people have not really thought of him as the Manny-level hitter that he has been. And now Gonzalez, three years younger than Youkilis, can team up. Pedroia might be ready to lead the league in runs again, after a one-year absence from the top.

[SoxFanSince57]

j44thor, on 04 December 2010 - 11:48 AM, said:

... I do wonder what San Diego plans on doing with Blanks, he seemed like the heir apparent for Gonzalez as I can't fathom him playing the OF in Petco indefinitely. They must be very high on Rizzo to make this deal.

Blanks was the reason I didn't see Rizzo as part of the deal. I am surprised on many levels by this deal.

Looks like the Padres are okay with a 6'6" 170lb corner OFer.

[Sinistas]

http://www.boston.com/

The article hasn't been updated, but the headline blurb indicates that the deal is done pending a physical.

[czar]

LahoudOrBillyC, on 04 December 2010 - 11:55 AM, said:

It is interesting to see the return of the great middle of the order, harkening back to Manny and Ortiz. Youkilis is one of the more underrated players in baseball, even in Boston people have not really thought of him as the Manny-level hitter that he has been. And now Gonzalez, three years younger than Youkilis, can team up. Pedroia might be ready to lead the league in runs again, after a one-year absence from the top.

Youkilis may be underrated in the national media relative to his actual production but let's not get carried away. Kevin Youkilis' career best OPS+ is 157 (by over 10 pts over 2009) and was in an injury-shortened 2010 (age 31) season. This is only a shade above Manny's career OPS+ (155).

Edited by czar, 04 December 2010 - 12:03 PM.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

I'm not too excited by this move. Personally, I think Theo pretty much overreacted and just tried to counter the Yankees after it looks like they're gonna sign a 36 year old Gold Glove shortstop.

But seriously, I don't know how you can't love this as a Red Sox fan. Personally, I thought keeping one of Rizzo, Kelly, and Iglesias would be a huge coup on Theo's part and that's how it went down.

Edited by BannedbyNYYFans.com, 04 December 2010 - 12:14 PM.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

LahoudOrBillyC, on 04 December 2010 - 11:55 AM, said:

It is interesting to see the return of the great middle of the order, harkening back to Manny and Ortiz. Youkilis is one of the more underrated players in baseball, even in Boston people have not really thought of him as the Manny-level hitter that he has been. And now Gonzalez, three years younger than Youkilis, can team up. Pedroia might be ready to lead the league in runs again, after a one-year absence from the top.

If the Sox bag another top RHH this offseason (Werth or Upton), we're looking at 2003 levels of offense again.

1. Pedroia
2. Drew
3. Youkilis
4. Gonzalez
5. Werth/Upton
6. Ortiz
7. Lowrie
8. Cameron/Ellsbury
9. Salty

Would be a frickin' unreal lineup of XBH.

[Savin Hillbilly]

Buzzkill Pauley, on 04 December 2010 - 11:49 AM, said:

I agree - think Hoyer agreed to pick one more guy from a set list of pitchers, where one or more of them is eligible for the Rule 5 draft.

Are you sure it'll be a pitcher? We have a glut of Rule 5 OF's, and SD just non-tendered two ML OF's, so they might be looking to reload there. Would Jason Place be a possibility? He still has some upside and certainly seems like a logical candidate to benefit from moving to a different organization.

[Maalox]

I have essentially no idea who Adrian Gonzalez is.

[Savin Hillbilly]

Buzzkill Pauley, on 04 December 2010 - 12:05 PM, said:

Would be a frickin' unreal lineup of XBH.

I was drafting a response about the idea of putting Crawford high in the order if he signed him. I was going to make the point that you should put Crawford in the bottom half of the order, in front of the singles hitters. And then I realized that if we make this deal and make Lowrie our shortstop, we really won't have any singles hitters. (Well, OK, Ellsbury....)

[mt8thsw9th]

BannedbyNYYFans.com, on 04 December 2010 - 12:05 PM, said:

I'm personally not too excited that Gonzalez is actually Jason Varitek. They couldn't find someone who was less a corpse at the plate to Photoshop Gonzalez' head onto?

[Buzzkill Pauley]

SoxFanSince57, on 04 December 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:

Blanks was the reason I didn't see Rizzo as part of the deal. I am surprised on many levels by this deal.

Looks like the Padres are okay with a 6'6" 170lb corner OFer.

He should move pretty well at that weight, but I worry about stamina.

But seriously, either Rizzo or Blanks might easily be traded within two years for blue-chip help elsewhere on the diamond.

[mabrowndog]

The icing on the cake is that Gonzalez's bargain-basement 2011 salary dovetails perfectly with the Sox' budget as perceived. They don't have to shell out the big bucks for him until next year -- after around $55M in salary comes off the books (Drew, Ortiz, Papelbon, Scutaro, Cameron, Tek, and Wake) while their younger core gets only a modest increase for 2012 ($4.5M total for Pedroia & Lester; all other non-arb players stay at 2011 levels). Even if they sign Werth or Crawford for something like 5/$90M, and start paying Adrian $20-22M annually next season, this team is STILL loaded for bear with financial flexibility and an insanely deep farm system.

Let's say Theo goes out and grabs a couple of relievers at $2M/yr apiece. If he also trades for Napoli, we can project arb-year 2011 paychecks for him, Ellsbury and Paps at roughly $5M, $2.5M and $11.5M. All told, their payroll would come in at around $164M for 2011, with the luxury tax cap at $178M. And next year, with the cap likely to rise under a new CBA, the gap between that and the Sox 2012 payroll would likely be even wider despite Gonzalez's salary kicking in huge.

Their only other projectable big-ticket concerns for the next couple of years are an extension of some sort for Buchholz to buy out some or all of his arb eligibility, figuring whether Salty and Kalish can stick at catcher and RF, and deciding what to do about 3B after Youk's deal ends in 2012. And if Salty and Kalish work out while Lowrie and Iglesias wind up being the answers at 3B and SS (yes, those are all BIG ifs), Theo will pretty much be sitting around with his feet up on his desk playing Nerf hoop while puffing big-ass cigars Red Auerbach style.

Then you consider all the touted 2010 draft picks they signed, the picks they have stockpiled for 2011, and how much young, cost-controlled talent they've managed to retain. Seriously, just think about all the names that have been bandied about in all the myriad Adrian Gonzalez trade rumors and proposals floated here and in the press since Teixeira signed with New York:

Buchholz
Lowrie
Ellsbury
Kalish
Doubront
Lars
Reddick
Bowden
etc.

If the final package is the trio that's been reported, and the PTBNL ends up being a 21-30 prospect at best, the fact that Theo Epstein will have pulled this off ...

A) Without trading any of the above players, while
B) Adding either Crawford or Werth, and
C) Still remaining under the luxury tax threshold for years to come

... would be absolutely un-fucking-believable.

Oh, and that photoshop of AG in Sox colors has me quite happy in the pants.


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Edited by mabrowndog, 04 December 2010 - 12:20 PM.

[Wingack]

Absolutely great fleecing job by Theo here. I have to hand it to him. To get a top player in his prime for a package of prospects (headlined by one with several questions) is pretty incredible.

I do wonder though if the PTBNL is dependent on whether or not they sign Werth or Crawford, thus making an outfielder more expendable.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

mt8thsw9th, on 04 December 2010 - 12:09 PM, said:

I'm personally not too excited that Gonzalez is actually Jason Varitek. They couldn't find someone who was less a corpse at the plate to Photoshop Gonzalez' head onto?

Haha. I wasn't thrilled either but it was the only one I could find. I amended it so it's less Zombie body looking...

[sodenj5]

mt8thsw9th, on 04 December 2010 - 12:09 PM, said:

I'm personally not too excited that Gonzalez is actually Jason Varitek. They couldn't find someone who was less a corpse at the plate to Photoshop Gonzalez' head onto?

C'mon dude, that's obviously VicMart. Or is it?

Edited by sodenj5, 04 December 2010 - 12:18 PM.

[LahoudOrBillyC]

czar, on 04 December 2010 - 12:02 PM, said:

Youkilis may be underrated in the national media relative to his actual production but let's not get carried away. Kevin Youkilis' career best OPS+ is 157 (by over 10 pts over 2009) and was in an injury-shortened 2010 (age 31) season. This is only a shade above Manny's career OPS+ (155).

Using a more comprehensive metric, the offensive portion of Manny's WAR from 2001 to 2006 were all between 5.0 and 6.0 wins, which is excellent (he was much worse in 2007 and the Red Sox portion of his 2008 season). Youkilis's last three seasons are 4.8, 5.6, and 3.9 (in 2/3 of a season). This is pretty much Manny-level I think, realizing that he did not reach this level until 2008. The past three years he has been one of the handful of best offensive players in the major leagues. Gonzalez has been 5.7 each of the past two years.

[joyofsox]

Nick, 12:01 PM:
"Adrian Gonzalez has been at Massachusetts General Hospital this morning undergoing a physical and MRIs on his shoulder. It appears the Padre slugger could soon be a Red Sox as Gonzalez' agent, John Boggs, is set to meet with the Red Sox this afternoon in an effort to hammer out a contract extension."

[ToeKneeArmAss]

Sinistas, on 04 December 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:

http://www.boston.com/

The article hasn't been updated, but the headline blurb indicates that the deal is done pending a physical.

Well that and the little matter of the extension.

[RedOctober3829]

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Sean_McAdam
Source: Gonzalez has already taken physical, repaired right shoulder "should be fine,'' just minor tests still to complete.

[glennhoffmania]

mabrowndog, on 04 December 2010 - 12:11 PM, said:

[size="2"]Let's say Theo goes out and grabs a couple of relievers at $2M/yr apiece. If he also trades for Napoli, we can project arb-year 2011 paychecks for him, Ellsbury and Paps at roughly $5M, $2.5M and $11.5M. All told, their payroll would come in at around $164M for 2011, with the luxury tax cap at $178M. And next year, with the cap likely to rise under a new CBA, the gap between that and the Sox 2012 payroll would likely be even wider despite Gonzalez's salary kicking in huge.

If they sign him to an extension, wouldn't his new AAV count against the cap starting this season?

[SumnerH]

ngruz25, on 04 December 2010 - 10:19 AM, said:

The Sox are about to acquire a guy, in his prime, who, barring injury, is pretty much a lock to put up a .950-1.000+ OPS for the foreseeable future.

He's hit over .950 exactly once, over .900 one other time, and is coming off of shoulder surgery. Moving out of Petco should help, but his next best OPS+ after those years was a 139, which is still a sub-.950 OPS (just barely) in Fenway IIRC.

Expecting a .950-1.000 OPS on a regular basis means believing that the last 2 years have established a new baseline, and that the shoulder will be back to 100%. That's not irrational, but I wouldn't call it pretty much a lock.

[Savin Hillbilly]

mabrowndog, on 04 December 2010 - 12:11 PM, said:

Their only other projectable big-ticket concerns for the next couple of years are an extension of some sort for Buchholz to buy out some or all of his arb eligibility, figuring whether Salty and Kalish can stick at catcher and RF, and deciding what to do about 3B after Youk's deal ends in 2012.

Youk's contract has a $13M team option for 2013, so they can put this decision off for an extra year if they want to.

[RedOctober3829]

glennhoffmania, on 04 December 2010 - 12:27 PM, said:

If they sign him to an extension, wouldn't his new AAV count against the cap starting this season?

No. His 2011 salary is locked in at around $6 million.

Edited by RedOctober3829, 04 December 2010 - 12:33 PM.

[mt8thsw9th]

SumnerH, on 04 December 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

That's not irrational

His three year road split has him putting up .989 OPS. He now, as a lefty that loves to use the opposite field, gets to play half him games in Fenway. I'd say there's a reasonable expectation of him having a .950 OPS under those conditions.

[Maalox]

It occurs to me that the concepts of "very close" and "essentially done" as used in contract or trade negotiations are pretty much equally applicable to bowel movements. Because "very close" is when it hasn't happened yet but most indications are that it will happen and you expect it to happen - but there is still the possibility of suddenly discovering that it's not going to happen. And "essentially done" is when it basically has happened, but there are still one or two issues that might still come out.

Excuse me for a moment.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Savin Hillbilly, on 04 December 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

Are you sure it'll be a pitcher? We have a glut of Rule 5 OF's, and SD just non-tendered two ML OF's, so they might be looking to reload there. Would Jason Place be a possibility? He still has some upside and certainly seems like a logical candidate to benefit from moving to a different organization.

Yeah, I think the "surest thing" of the Sox package is Rizzo while the "highest upside" belongs to Kelly.

Because the risk-reward is skewed more greatly for pitching, I expect to see another high-risk/high-reward pitcher in the deal. Somebody young, who throws hard, and gets strikeouts. Names like Younginer, Workman, Balcom-Miller, Cabral, and Rivera seem likely to me to be on the list (while Pimentel and Ranaudo probably are not).

[Maalox]

SumnerH, on 04 December 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

Expecting a .950-1.000 OPS on a regular basis means believing that the last 2 years have established a new baseline, and that the shoulder will be back to 100%. That's not irrational, but I wouldn't call it pretty much a lock.

But would you call it a virtual lock?

[glennhoffmania]

RedOctober3829, on 04 December 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

No. His 2011 salary is locked in at around $6 million.

We just went through this with Beckett. Wasn't one of the benefits of not executing the extension until after opening day that it delayed the luxury tax hit? Otherwise the extension would've been factored in for 2010.

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

Rasputin, on 04 December 2010 - 11:15 AM, said:

<br />Getting Adrian Gonzalez for Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes...<br /><br />I need tissues.<br />

<br /><br /><br />Same here. Stuck at brunch in The Village so haven't kept up, but wow, that's it???

[PedroKsBambino]

Wingack, on 04 December 2010 - 12:12 PM, said:

Absolutely great fleecing job by Theo here. I have to hand it to him. To get a top player in his prime for a package of prospects (headlined by one with several questions) is pretty incredible.

I do wonder though if the PTBNL is dependent on whether or not they sign Werth or Crawford, thus making an outfielder more expendable.

What recent trades do you think show that the value of a guy a year from FA is significantly higher than this, out of curiosity?

Seems to me that's the kind of analysis that helps a discussion isn't it?

[RedOctober3829]

Funny tidbit.....

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TBrownYahoo
Getting a little ahead of myself: Adrian Gonzalez vs. Cliff Lee -- 7 for 10, 3 doubles, 1 home run, 3 RBI...

[czar]

RedOctober3829, on 04 December 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

No. His 2011 salary is locked in at around $6 million.

But AAV is what counts against the luxury tax, not 2011 salary. I'm pretty sure any extension signed now bumps up his AAV calculated for LT purposes. IIRC, this was discussed in the Beckett talks last year.

EDIT: Beaten by ghoff who appears to be on the same page.

Edited by czar, 04 December 2010 - 12:40 PM.

[mt8thsw9th]

Maalox, on 04 December 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

It occurs to me that the concepts of "very close" and "essentially done" as used in contract or trade negotiations are pretty much equally applicable to bowel movements. Because "very close"

You do realize that the thread title *which hasn't been updated since late last night) won't have an impact on whether the trade goes through or not, right?

[John DiFool]

MHead81, on 04 December 2010 - 11:26 AM, said:

Where would we put Crawford in this lineup? He's not hitting 3rd now, with the acquisition of Gonzalez. He doesn't like leading off. He's not hitting 2nd unless Pedroia moves down to 5th, but that starts us off with 2 LHHs and Crawford isn't good against LHP.

I don't like having players on my team who unreasonably won't play certain positions and/or hit in certain batting slots that you'd think would suit them perfectly.

Youks was about average at third during his 500 some innings in '09. Git 'er done.

[mabrowndog]

Maalox, on 04 December 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

It occurs to me that the concepts of "very close" and "essentially done" as used in contract or trade negotiations are pretty much equally applicable to bowel movements. Because "very close" is when it hasn't happened yet but most indications are that it will happen and you expect it to happen - but there is still the possibility of suddenly discovering that it's not going to happen. And "essentially done" is when it basically has happened, but there are still one or two issues that might still come out.

Excuse me for a moment.

This epic Maalox post has been brought to you by...

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Edited by mabrowndog, 04 December 2010 - 12:45 PM.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

RedOctober3829, on 04 December 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

No. His 2011 salary is locked in at around $6 million.

I don't think that's true. I think if he signs a deal now his AAV will be adjusted up, while if they wait until after the season starts to announce it, then it locks in.

So I half expect him to get the Ortiz/Crisp/Beckett treatment, and that his agent will be "working out some things" with Theo until April.

[someoneanywhere]

To bring the issue back around to the role of the draft and picks in all of this: I think it's important for us to see that the talent outbound is very young talent, especially in Kelly and Fuentes. So although the Sox lose potentially front-line talent, the picks they'll get off the Beltre signing will allow them to replace young undeveloped players with young undeveloped players. Had, say, they given up guys who'd been in pro ball 3-4 years, on the verge of big-league ready, restocking would take longer. Here's case where the restocking, given the relative inexperience of the prospects involved, is functionally immediate.

[Robinson Checo]

I would still like to see the Sox try to land Crawford over Weryth even after adding AG. I know that it will make the lineup left handed, but maybe adding Matt Diaz to platoon with Papi vs lefties would be a better solution than adding Weryth.

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

SumnerH, on 04 December 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

He's hit over .950 exactly once, over .900 one other time, and is coming off of shoulder surgery. Moving out of Petco should help, but his next best OPS+ after those years was a 139, which is still a sub-.950 OPS (just barely) in Fenway IIRC.

Expecting a .950-1.000 OPS on a regular basis means believing that the last 2 years have established a new baseline, and that the shoulder will be back to 100%. That's not irrational, but I wouldn't call it pretty much a lock.

Did you look at his career splits? The guy is as close to a lock to put up a .900-1.000 OPS in baseball as there is once you get him away from the black hole that is Petco. Just to provide full service, for his career Adri(a not e)n Gonzalez has hit .303/.376/.568 with an tOPS+ of 114 in anyplace not called Petco Park.

And just in case I am not clear enough about how awful Petco is to hit, it has led the MLB in lowest park factor for four of the seven years it has been open. It is the only stadium to show up more than once during that time. Petco Park is damn habitual recidivist when it comes to stealing runs. I fully expect the prospect-humpers here to remind us of the awesome of Casey Kelly when he is routinely throwing shut-outs at home in a few years. Old Fart Tree could probably be a serviceable middle reliever there and his shoulder and knee both look like the contents of a tasty carnitas burrito that you can get nearby that park.

[ngruz25]

SumnerH, on 04 December 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

He's hit over .950 exactly once, over .900 one other time, and is coming off of shoulder surgery. Moving out of Petco should help, but his next best OPS+ after those years was a 139, which is still a sub-.950 OPS (just barely) in Fenway IIRC.

Expecting a .950-1.000 OPS on a regular basis means believing that the last 2 years have established a new baseline, and that the shoulder will be back to 100%. That's not irrational, but I wouldn't call it pretty much a lock.

mt8thsw9th, on 04 December 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

His three year road split has him putting up .989 OPS. He now, as a lefty that loves to use the opposite field, gets to play half him games in Fenway. I'd say there's a reasonable expectation of him having a .950 OPS under those conditions.

You're right that I am getting a little ahead of myself (or more accurately speaking in absolutes to make a point), but mt8thsw9th summed up my thinking quite well. I'm assuming the shoulder is not a problem, which is of course quite the assumption but the basis of that assumption is that the Sox will likely be giving him a thorough examination before committing prospects and money.

I know I'm optimistic but his road splits over the last three years coupled with that drool-worthy hit chart (how some of those blasts to right weren't gone is beyond me) are where I'm coming from. Petco is a dreadful place to hit and his road splits are quite telling, in the Adrian Beltre vein. I'm giving quite a bit of weight to his past few seasons as I think he he seems like a perfect example of a took-a-while-to-reach-his-potential-but-is-now-there kind of guy. Sort of like how I'm not really expecting 2007 Kevin Youkilis to walkt through that door, I'm expecting 2008-2010 Kevin Youkilis.

Edited by ngruz25, 04 December 2010 - 12:52 PM.

[Maalox]

mt8thsw9th, on 04 December 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

You do realize that the thread title *which hasn't been updated since late last night) won't have an impact on whether the trade goes through or not, right?

From a purely rational standpoint, yes. But I've also found that the more you try to hold it in the more urgently it wants to come out. If you get my drift.

What were we talking about again?

[Dogman2]

SoxScout, on 04 December 2010 - 08:28 AM, said:

http://sonsofsamhorn...k-onto-another/

Moving in the Bullpens 10 feet is going to wonders in this scenario.

Fuckin-A!

[Savin Hillbilly]

SumnerH, on 04 December 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

Expecting a .950-1.000 OPS on a regular basis means believing that the last 2 years have established a new baseline, and that the shoulder will be back to 100%. That's not irrational, but I wouldn't call it pretty much a lock.

The last two years were his age 27 and 28 seasons. That's a pretty normal time to establish a new baseline.

One thing to watch out for, though: his IBB totals in recent years have been off the charts. His overall BB rates look great, but his NIBB rates are a bit more pedestrian, on the order of 10%. He won't get intentionally walked much batting in front of Youk at Fenway. If you take his 35 IBB from last year and reduce it to something rational like 10, and parse those other 25 PA at his normal rates, the OBP dips to about .370, and you've got a sub-.900 hitter. Certainly that will translate up at Fenway, because the ISO will probably go up by .050 or so, but counting on him as an upper-.900's OPS guy might be a bit overoptimistic, especially when you remember that he'll be adjusting to a new league.

And as long as I'm going to play Debbie Downer, we also should note that Gonzalez is (according to Fangraphs) literally the slowest regular player in baseball. He will make us wax nostalgic about the way Victor Martinez scooted around the basepaths.

[Wingack]

PedroKsBambino, on 04 December 2010 - 12:38 PM, said:

What recent trades do you think show that the value of a guy a year from FA is significantly higher than this, out of curiosity?

Seems to me that's the kind of analysis that helps a discussion isn't it?

Well, Teixeira (since there are going to be a lot of comparisons) he was a year and a half away from position but I think it is fair to compare the two deals. At the time of that deal, Texas received both the best catching prospect in the game and the best shortstop prospect in the game, plus Nefali Feliz and Matt Harrison.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Dogman2, on 04 December 2010 - 12:55 PM, said:

Fuckin-A!

Not to be a Buzzkill (oh wait...) but there's absolutely no chance AG gets pitched the same way in Fenway that he does in Petco.

Instead, his chart will probably look more like Ortiz 2005 at Fenway. Which is cool by me.

[E5 Yaz]

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Youkilis first heard the news while tailgating at Nippert Stadium, and he was quite pleased with the transaction.

“It’s great,” Youkilis said. “The way he hits at PETCO [Park], he can hit at Fenway Park because he can use the [left field] wall to his advantage. It’s going to be great to have him on the team. That’ll be a huge acquisition for us if everything works out.”

Never change, Youk

[Dogman2]

Buzzkill Pauley, on 04 December 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Not to be a Buzzkill (oh wait...) but there's absolutely no chance AG gets pitched the same way in Fenway that he does in Petco.

Instead, his chart will probably look more like Ortiz 2005 at Fenway. Which is cool by me.

Do you mean the .425/.603 line with 15.7% BB and 22.7 LD%. Fucking-A indeed.

[Harry Hooper]

It was inevitable that the Sox would make a major move prior to the December ticket sales promotion. Once the rumblings picked up during the week, had to think Theo would make it happen.

Interesting that NYTimes.com still has nothing posted on this trade right now other than the AP item.

[LahoudOrBillyC]

The two biggest prospects-for-star deals Epstein has made were for Schilling and Beckett (both of which led immediately to World Series victories, neither of which would have happened without the deals). I think the consensus view at the time was that the pieces for Schilling were a pittance, though Schilling was quite a bit older and the market AZ had to work with was pretty small. For Beckett, I think it was clear that Florida did very well to get a nice package, and obviously that ended up being a great trade for the Marlins (and also for the Red Sox).

This could end up being a nice trade for the Padres, though if it does it will (IMO) be because of the development of Rizzo.

[Yaz4Ever]

Theo was on his sabbatical when the Beckett deal went down, no?