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[RedOctober3829]

Asked if any rookie could start against him, Holmes said, "Negative. That was proven Super Bowl Sunday two years ago, when they had a rookie [the Cardinals' Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie] following me around the whole game.

"I wouldn't do it if I was them."

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[TomRicardo]

I keep reading his name as 'sphincter'.

This is why I don't get my picks from you. I don't need the line for the Stellars game.

[splinters]

Shouldn't you be typing out my picks?

Lady luck is taking the week off for the jets so here is how the Pats win Monday night.

Pats 25- Jets 24

In a greuling 4th quarter the Patriots are down 24-18 when they are at 4th and 6 on the 50. TB tosses it deep, the ball looks off, but it doesn't matter because the jets safety facemasks him at the 2, essentailly giving the game to the Patriots all they need to do is plunge it in and make the extra point....After easily scoring they decide to pull a Lions and send out Vince Wilfork to kick an extra point and with Lady Luck off this week she makes it! Sealing the victory even with the silly finish. Count it!

[Darnell's Son]

Lady luck is taking the week off for the jets so here is how the Pats win Monday night.

Pats 25- Jets 24

In a greuling 4th quarter the Patriots are down 24-18 when they are at 4th and 6 on the 50. TB tosses it deep, the ball looks off, but it doesn't matter because the jets safety facemasks him at the 2, essentailly giving the game to the Patriots all they need to do is plunge it in and make the extra point....After easily scoring they decide to pull a Lions and send out Vince Wilfork to kick an extra point and with Lady Luck off this week she makes it! Sealing the victory even with the silly finish. Count it!

18 points? So Graham is kicking 6 FGs?

[splinters]

18 points? So Graham is kicking 6 FGs?

Actually Tom throws two Tds and we get two safeties....
You can't question this! I put it through "the system" It's foolproof, ask Tom. Just don't ask Sean...he's a little moody

Edited by splinters, 02 December 2010 - 05:36 PM.

[Darnell's Son]

Actually Tom throws two Tds and we get two safeties....
You can't question this! I put it through "the system" It's foolproof, ask Tom. Just don't ask Sean...he's a little moody

C'mon that's crazy. Try two rushing TDs by Brady, followed by 2 fake extra points to get to 16, followed by a Jets' punt snapped out of the back of their endzone...now that's a game worth watching.

[TomRicardo]

WHERE ARE MY PICKS FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK?

[Darnell's Son]

TRic, don't rush the system. It's not something that you just casually throw together in a matter of seconds, it's a delicate system that takes hours of preparation.

[Bdanahy14]

Well I am officially jazzed up; going to the game - can't wait to experience the environment. First "big" game I have ever been to.

In terms of the game and my useless predictions... here are some random thoughts I have:

- Living in NY, I catch a good amount of Jets game and i think they may be one of the few teams that are actually worse then the Pats at getting to the quarterback.

- To the point above, it is almost as if the receiving core is set up to play this team. The Pats have shown all year long that they have total flexibility to write guys in and out of the offensive game plan on a weekly basis... and we still haven't SEEN Edelman. But if Tom has time to scan the field long enough to make all his reads, and come back to them on occasion... well, let's just say I like their odds.

- The Law Firm's style of play - or at least how we have used him - is a big part of why this offense is clicking. He hits the hole hard, follows blocks, and gains yards. It has to be one of the reasons Gronk has seen so much time... having Gronk on the line forces defensives to respect both the run and the play action equally.

- I hope we get good Chung... when he is playing at his best he thrives in that Rodney role and such an important part to that secondary

- Outside of the Cleveland game - I am so impressed with the run defense. Obviously Wilfork has been unstoppable and Mayo is developing into the beast we were hoping for... but a big nod goes to Brandon Spikes who has done a tremendous job in that role.


I split season tickets with like 8 pals - we each got two games (one seat) and draft day I took this game hoping that it would turn into my first big, meaningful Pats game. It's certainly nice when things work out like that.

Now just win!

[splinters]

WHERE ARE MY PICKS FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK?

Sorry, it's 2am over here. Im gonna have to put them through the system tomorrow. I'll get back at ya.

PS Eagles 34 - Titans 10

Vick announces his retirement to open a pet grooming salon, Vince Young gets traded to the Eagles just before the game and dominates against the Rex Grossman led Titans.

[TomRicardo]

Sorry, it's 2am over here. Im gonna have to put them through the system tomorrow. I'll get back at ya.

PS Eagles 34 - Titans 10

Vick announces his retirement to open a pet grooming salon, Vince Young gets traded to the Eagles just before the game and dominates against the Rex Grossman led Titans.

I was pretty excited with this one until I realize the Eagles were playing the Texans AFTER I LAID DOWN THE BET.

[splinters]

I was pretty excited with this one until I realize the Eagles were playing the Texans AFTER I LAID DOWN THE BET.

Gotcha!

[SeanBerry]

I am both impressed and scared you can operate a computer.

[johnmd20]

I am both impressed and scared you can operate a computer.

There really isn't anything else that brings out the retard on this board like the Pats v. the Jets. And I say that as a person who will be rooting for the Pats to wallop the Jets.

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

Splinters, please stop. You are making me laugh at what a Jet fan is saying. A JET FAN! On this week! For the love of god.

[TomRicardo]

I am both impressed and scared you can operate a computer.

Now lets not jump to conclusions. There is a chance the internet is just picking up his brain waves.

[Judge Mental13]

Big win for the Eagles over the Houston Oilers last night.

[splinters]

Gentlmen.... and Seanberry, as I stated it was 2am over here in the middle east and I'll go out on a limb and say my day was just a tad bit tougher than yours was, so I appreciate you guys understanding my mental blunder.

PS Sean, you obviously CANT operate these intricate devices cause you still haven't come up with a worthwhile FOOTBALL related retort, instead choosing to remain on the fringe of the conversation while constantling attempting to poke fun at my clearly low intelligence. I know your afraid to really jump in the ring cause we've all seen you can't do that without the lid blowing of your teapot and making it personal and getting all kinds of upset, but if you want to post something that is meaningful and not an insult lamely hurdled at me, then I'd love to play along. Might just take a bit to reply with the time difference.

Edited by splinters, 03 December 2010 - 11:00 AM.

[splinters]

All seriousness, I don't mind a little trash talk but damn the Jets have taken it to a new level. Between Hard Knocks, Ryan and know Holmes. There is no way this blabbering gets shut up if we win. They are going to complain about calls or something. And God save us if we were to lose. It would be like hell froze over.

Ps who's excited to see McCourty cover holmes?

[RedOctober3829]

Big win for the Eagles over the Houston Oilers last night.

Titans beat the Oilers last night?

[SeanBerry]

Gentlmen.... and Seanberry, as I stated it was 2am over here in the middle east and I'll go out on a limb and say my day was just a tad bit tougher than yours was, so I appreciate you guys understanding my mental blunder.

PS Sean, you obviously CANT operate these intricate devices cause you still haven't come up with a worthwhile FOOTBALL related retort, instead choosing to remain on the fringe of the conversation while constantling attempting to poke fun at my clearly low intelligence. I know your afraid to really jump in the ring cause we've all seen you can't do that without the lid blowing of your teapot and making it personal and getting all kinds of upset, but if you want to post something that is meaningful and not an insult lamely hurdled at me, then I'd love to play along. Might just take a bit to reply with the time difference.

What do you want me to say? I honestly don't think we can have a quality football discussion.

I get you love the Pats and you hate the Jets and that's cute and whatever. I am sure that's important in your life and that's great. I mean if you want to point to the fact the Pats have played a tougher schedule then the Jets thus far, I can't argue that. But this idea that you can compare how one team did against another when all the variables could be different is worthless.

You said in your post that you were '"dumbing it down" for this Jets fan that I guess was left speechless by your amazing system. Well, OK...but then why are you dumbing it down for us?

[splinters]

What do you want me to say? I honestly don't think we can have a quality football discussion.

I get you love the Pats and you hate the Jets and that's cute and whatever. I am sure that's important in your life and that's great. I mean if you want to point to the fact the Pats have played a tougher schedule then the Jets thus far, I can't argue that. But this idea that you can compare how one team did against another when all the variables could be different is worthless.

You said in your post that you were '"dumbing it down" for this Jets fan that I guess was left speechless by your amazing system. Well, OK...but then why are you dumbing it down for us?

To be honest this goes beyond my disdain for the jets. It is more that I felt they don't deserve their wins. Yes, they have capitalized on things that other teams couldn't including the Pats, so in that sense they earned it. But it was frustrating to watch three weeks in a row the luck factor go so hard one way. There is always a variable left out of statistics or any comparision. I could spend the next week breaking down every single game of both teams on the season, injuries, weather, home field advantage, SoS, common game scores etc. In the end, you are correct, you cannot compare everything without a variable being left out. Does that mean we should not bother?

On that other site I WAS dumbing it down because the quality of football knowledge over there is clearly lower. I think I explained it and I may be wrong but I was asking the board what they thought? So while you gave criticism, it really wasn't constructive, just insulting. Again I never called it a system, and I wouldn't. It's a simplistic analysis of two teams and how they did score wise in similar and common games. That's all. No magic here. Obviously.

PS Of course we can have a quality FB discussion, bring something to the table. I tried, you consider it stupid and worthless, let's see what you got.

[EdRalphRomero]

It is time for some of the healing power of art. ERR productions presents for your Oscar consideration: "Sexy Rexy and the Coach: Life, Love and Sandwiches"

[TomRicardo]

What do you want me to say? I honestly don't think we can have a quality football discussion.

I get you love the Pats and you hate the Jets and that's cute and whatever. I am sure that's important in your life and that's great. I mean if you want to point to the fact the Pats have played a tougher schedule then the Jets thus far, I can't argue that. But this idea that you can compare how one team did against another when all the variables could be different is worthless.

You said in your post that you were '"dumbing it down" for this Jets fan that I guess was left speechless by your amazing system. Well, OK...but then why are you dumbing it down for us?

To be fair Sean Berry also masturbates to pictures of Mark Sanchez half naked.

[Bdanahy14]

To be fair Sean Berry also masturbates to pictures of Mark Sanchez half naked.

Which half? I'm thinking shirt off, sweat pants on.

[Burt Reynoldz]

This is rapidly replacing the 9/11 thread as my favorite ever. You fine gentlemen and women have MADE me care about this game when I didn't before. Kudos.

[Dernells Casket n Flagon]

Gentlmen.... and Seanberry, as I stated it was 2am over here in the middle east and I'll go out on a limb and say my day was just a tad bit tougher than yours was, so I appreciate you guys understanding my mental blunder.

No wonder we haven't found Obama Bin Laden.

[jsinger121]

RapSheet

Ouch RT @TheJetsStream: #Jets safety Jim Leonhard is OUT with a "severe" shin injury. Big blow for #NYJ. #nfl #patriots

[Needlenose's Pole]

Shouldn't matter, now that we don't have Moss to stretch the field/take the top off the defense/keep the safeties out of the box!!!1!1

[RedOctober3829]

Elaborating on the above post. Might be a broken shin for Leonhard. Big loss for the Jets as they lose a safety and a punt returner.

Rex called Leonhard's injury severe and said he was carted off field. Smith and Pool will be the starting safeties

Rex said he's "assuming" there was a break but said he doesn't know specifics of the injury.

Link

Edited by RedOctober3829, 03 December 2010 - 02:24 PM.

[Shelterdog]

Elaborating on the above post. Might be a broken shin for Leonhard. Big loss for the Jets as they lose a safety and a punt returner.

The Jets have been absurdly lucky with injuries for three years running, which I think has been essential for them because they have garbage for depth.

If they really are the team they claim to be then losing a good but not great safety/punt returner like Leonhard shouldn't be that big a deal.

Edited by Shelterdog, 03 December 2010 - 02:33 PM.

[TheoShmeo]

Does Leonhard call the defensive signals for the Jets?

Either way, what a pity.

[RedOctober3829]

Does Leonhard call the defensive signals for the Jets?

Either way, what a pity.

He is according to a post in the Pats part DEUX thread. Huge loss.

Edited by RedOctober3829, 03 December 2010 - 03:11 PM.

[dcmissle]

The Jets have been absurdly lucky with injuries for three years running, which I think has been essential for them because they have garbage for depth.

If they really are the team they claim to be then losing a good but not great safety/punt returner like Leonhard shouldn't be that big a deal.

I love Jim Leonard and miss him at M & T.

Back to the game -- does Brady finally "solve" Rex in a big way, as he may have to? Unless the conditions suck, or the Jets continually turn over the ball, I figure it's likely to take 31 points to win this one.

[SeanBerry]

The Jets have been absurdly lucky with injuries for three years running, which I think has been essential for them because they have garbage for depth.

If they really are the team they claim to be then losing a good but not great safety/punt returner like Leonhard shouldn't be that big a deal.

I know it's football and all but we haven't been THAT lucky this year. Losing Kris Jenkins for the entire year has really affected the pass rush (especially when we don't blitz). Revis has had his problems and losing Calvin Pace for the early part of the season wasn't easy.

Leonhard is a nice player who rarely fucks up. It's a loss.

[RedOctober3829]

I know it's football and all but we haven't been THAT lucky this year. Losing Kris Jenkins for the entire year has really affected the pass rush (especially when we don't blitz). Revis has had his problems and losing Calvin Pace for the early part of the season wasn't easy.

Leonhard is a nice player who rarely fucks up. It's a loss.

Sean, what's your take on Eric Smith? I see him as the Brandon Merriweather of the Jets. Likes to hit people(sometimes illegally) and is not good in coverage.

[TheoShmeo]

I know it's football and all but we haven't been THAT lucky this year. Losing Kris Jenkins for the entire year has really affected the pass rush (especially when we don't blitz). Revis has had his problems and losing Calvin Pace for the early part of the season wasn't easy.

Leonhard is a nice player who rarely fucks up. It's a loss.

Don't forget losing Holmes to suspension for four games.

[SeanBerry]

Sean, what's your take on Eric Smith? I see him as the Brandon Merriweather of the Jets. Likes to hit people(sometimes illegally) and is not good in coverage.

Smith is OK but Pool can worry me with making stupidass plays now and then.

In fairness to the Holmes point Theo brought up... I don't really count that as an injury because the Jets knew about that when they traded for him and had time to plan for that.

[Mystic Merlin]

Pool might be a disaster Monday night.

Ryan is rightly terrified about plugging him into Leonhard's spot. There's a reason Eric Smith took his job.

[kolbitr]

Yes, the Jenkins injuries have been pretty severe; Leon Washington was also lost last year for the Jets midway through the season with the broken leg (speaking of which, Brad Smith has been a terrific replacement for him). The Jets have been luckier than NE, I would think, but not immune.

Anyway, tough injury for Leonhard, who seemed to be a good guy. I suspect Ryan will be able to scheme around it to some extent, but the replacements are just not as reliable.

[Shelterdog]

I know it's football and all but we haven't been THAT lucky this year. Losing Kris Jenkins for the entire year has really affected the pass rush (especially when we don't blitz). Revis has had his problems and losing Calvin Pace for the early part of the season wasn't easy.

Leonhard is a nice player who rarely fucks up. It's a loss.

Not absurdly luck this year with this injury, but definitely on the lucky side.

Gosselin at the Dallas News does a report every year where he determines how many games have been lost by "starters" (essentially the projected starters on day one of camp) due to injury. It's crude (how do you account for a punter or kicker or nickel back who plays a lot, do you count a FB/second TE/third WR as the Jets' eleventh starter, if you lose four running backs for the season and are on a fifth string guy that counts as only 16 games lost by a starter) and it doesn't weight injuries by player position or quality of player (losing Revis is obviously worse than losing Richardson would be). Anyhow, it turns out that the 8 least injured teams lose between about 15-30 games or fewer to injury, the middle 16 somewhere between about 30-60, with the median being somewhere in the 40s (2.5 starters out a game), and the bottom 8 north of 60.

I might be missing a handful of starters (didn't Pool miss some games?) but right now the Jets look to be at about 27 for the season(16 for Jenkins, 4 for Pace, 2 for Revis, 5 for Leonhard. That normally puts them in the healthiest quartile in the leaguge.

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Edited by Shelterdog, 03 December 2010 - 04:58 PM.

[SeanBerry]

Not absurdly luck this year with this injury, but definitely on the lucky side.

Gosselin at the Dallas News does a report every year where he determines how many games have been lost by "starters" (essentially the projected starters on day one of camp) due to injury. It's crude (how do you account for a punter or kicker or nickel back who plays a lot, do you count a FB/second TE/third WR as the Jets' eleventh starter, if you lose four running backs for the season and are on a fifth string guy that counts as only 16 games lost by a starter) and it doesn't weight injuries by player position or quality of player (losing Revis is obviously worse than losing Richardson would be). Anyhow, it turns out that the 8 least injured teams lose between about 15-30 games or fewer to injury, the middle 16 somewhere between about 30-60, with the median being somewhere in the 40s (2.5 starters out a game), and the bottom 8 north of 60.

I might be missing a handful of starters (didn't Pool miss some games?) but right now the Jets look to be at about 27 for the season(16 for Jenkins, 4 for Pace, 2 for Revis, 5 for Leonhard. That normally puts them in the healthiest quartile in the leaguge.

the Jets are losing 16 for Jenkins,
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So it's a faulty system that is missing players?

Sounds great! I am glad I read your post.

[Super Nomario]

I love Jim Leonard and miss him at M & T.

Back to the game -- does Brady finally "solve" Rex in a big way, as he may have to? Unless the conditions suck, or the Jets continually turn over the ball, I figure it's likely to take 31 points to win this one.

They scored 34 points against the Jets last year and Brady threw for 310 yards and a TD with no turnovers.

[Shelterdog]

So it's a faulty system that is missing players?

Sounds great! I am glad I read your post.

You got anything better?

[TomRicardo]

You got anything better?

Mark Sanchez's rock hard abs.

Where the hell are my picks?

[dcmissle]

They scored 34 points against the Jets last year and Brady threw for 310 yards and a TD with no turnovers.

Make that 31 points, and 17 of them came after Jets' turnovers, of which there were 5, including 3 Leigh Bodden INT's of Sanchez.

If you tell me that Brady will throw for 310 and 1 TD Monday night, I'll tell you our Pats are going to lose.

[SeanBerry]

You got anything better?

Better than an incomplete list of injured players that does not value by position?

Yes I do. It's called nothing.

[Shelterdog]

Better than an incomplete list of injured players that does not value by position?

Yes I do. It's called nothing.

Really. Nothing is a better why of figuring out roughly the kind of injury luck a team has had.

You're either fucking obtuse or an asshole. Either way I'm done with you.

[Super Nomario]

Make that 31 points, and 17 of them came after Jets' turnovers, of which there were 5, including 3 Leigh Bodden INT's of Sanchez.

If you tell me that Brady will throw for 310 and 1 TD Monday night, I'll tell you our Pats are going to lose.

Are you arguing that Brady didn't play well against the Jets last year?

[dcmissle]

Are you arguing that Brady didn't play well against the Jets last year?

No, I'm arguing that over the course of his career, he has not been at his top form against defenses coached by Ryan. Given the state of our defense, if the Jets protect the football, he may need to be Monday.