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#1151 CaptainLaddie


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

Sigh.

Oh well.

6-2.

#1152 SeoulSoxFan


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

Jesus Christ. A GATORADE bath? Lot to root for Cleveland/

Signed,
LeBron

#1153 DannyHeep


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

Hillis is kicking me straight in the balls in three separate games today.

#1154 RoyHobbs

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

Pats are 0-2 in Superbowls this season.

#1155 Jack Sox

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

This feels decidedly like the game against Denver last year.


a 20 point loss feels like a 3 point loss in OT?

#1156 E5 Yaz


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

Worst thing to come out of this game is the injury to the Ghost

#1157 Ed Hillel


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

lmao, a Gatorade shower?

#1158 jtn46


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:49 PM

Pats are 0-2 in Superbowls this season.

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#1159 Soxy Brown

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:49 PM

That gatorade bath tells you a lot about this game. They're acting like this was a championship match.

They were playing football, not tennis.

#1160 BucketOBalls


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:49 PM

a 20 point loss feels like a 3 point loss in OT?


no-show against a not very good team in an away game.

#1161 Maalox


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:50 PM

Pathetic today. Worst part is at this time in two weeks, could easily be 6-4. Really could have used this game.

After an embarrassment like this, I would say the chances of losing to both Indy and Pitt are near zero. Unless of course Bill drills the DBs into apoplexy this week.

#1162 ivanvamp


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:50 PM

On one level this is just rationalization, but this game had "young team on the road" written all over it. If they were going to have one of these, better against Cleveland than Pittsburgh.


I don't agree. They could play really well and still lose to Pit or Indy. You have to win the games against the lesser teams in the league. Cleveland is improving, but they're still a lesser team. The Pats need to win these games.

Key play of the game: Gronk's fumble at the end of the 1st half. They score there, they're down 17-14 with the ball in the 2nd half. I think they win the game in that situation. Gronk had a pretty horrible game today. Oh well...he's a rookie.

#1163 RIrooter09

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:50 PM

The browns will lose 70-0 next week.

#1164 backpeddling

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:51 PM

Too many soft, miniature receivers that lack athleticism out there today.

Houston has an abysmal defense but Rivers is absolutely tearing them a new one with a cast of no names. But, they actually have the size and speed to make plays downfield and they are absolutely doing just that.

#1165 Jack Sox

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:51 PM

no-show against a not very good team in an away game.


yeah still not seeing it. Feels like Baltimore in the postseason.

#1166 phragle


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:53 PM

That was sickening

#1167 Hendu's Gait


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:53 PM

hugs and dawgpounds to Mangini from ex-Pats Ventrone and Watson

#1168 PeaceSignMoose

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:54 PM

We're wrecking Pittsburgh next week.

#1169 Domer

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:54 PM

That Gatorade shower makes me want to cheer for LeBron. Oh well, 6-2, I guess we'll have to settle for being tied for the best record in the NFL.

#1170 ivanvamp


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:55 PM

That was sickening


Worst game by the Pats in a very long time. At least losing to the Ravens in the playoffs was to a very high caliber team. This was a total beatdown by a subpar team. Ugh.

#1171 ivanvamp


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:55 PM

We're wrecking Pittsburgh next week.


What on earth makes you think that?

#1172 DegenerateSoxFan

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:57 PM

Mangini with a monster dip in. Fucker.

Meh, even the best teams have a shitstorm or two in the course of a season. The sky is not falling. Young 'uns taking a step back after two or three steps forward. They'll be ready for Pittsburgh.

#1173 PeaceSignMoose

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:57 PM

What on earth makes you think that?


About 10 years of Patriots history in weeks after terrible losses. Last year against New Orleans and Miami in back to back weeks notwithstanding.

#1174 SeoulSoxFan


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:58 PM

What on earth makes you think that?


I'm on board. BB will tear them a new one this week in practice. I call for an early win prediction against Steelers.

#1175 Old Fart Tree

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 03:59 PM

Well, that was just a GHASTLY loss. Oh well. They were lucky - REALLY luck - to be 6-1, so 6-2 is not really that disappointing. Still, I do wish they had put forward a better effort.

#1176 John Dopson

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:00 PM

Browns gave Rob Ryan a gatorade shower earlier this year. I guess that is their standard win celebration.

#1177 Kull


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:01 PM

I don't agree. They could play really well and still lose to Pit or Indy. You have to win the games against the lesser teams in the league. Cleveland is improving, but they're still a lesser team. The Pats need to win these games.

Key play of the game: Gronk's fumble at the end of the 1st half. They score there, they're down 17-14 with the ball in the 2nd half. I think they win the game in that situation. Gronk had a pretty horrible game today. Oh well...he's a rookie.


Fumble or not, they played poorly on both sides of the ball, and let Cleveland walk all over them. If they played this carelessly and still won, the Pittsburgh game would have been a train wreck. Not so now. Who knows if they win, but at least they should be thinking out there - which wasn't the case today.

#1178 Jack Sox

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:05 PM

Gronk cost us 6-14 points today on 2 plays today. That's just a rare and something even great teams will have trouble overcoming. Those don't happen and this is a much different game.

I expect a much better game next week.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:08 PM

While we're at the height of the bitchfest, can we get rid of this "BB is going to kill so-and-so in practice next week" meme? Unless Belichick can magically transform some of these guys into more athletic and talented players through a pep talk, I don't get why people say this like it's some Midas Touch.

#1180 SeoulSoxFan


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:10 PM

While we're at the height of the bitchfest, can we get rid of this "BB is going to kill so-and-so in practice next week" meme? Unless Belichick can magically transform some of these guys into more athletic and talented players through a pep talk, I don't get why people say this like it's some Midas Touch.


Gronk is plenty athletic enough. So is Woodhead. This was a mental loss as much as anything with the mistakes and dropped balls. No two ways about it here.

#1181 kolbitr

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:11 PM

There's an old Polish or Russian joke about Slavic pessimism that runs: a ship with various European travelers hits an iceberg, and starts taking on water. The Slavs begin to jump over the side. The captain says "wait, what are you doing? there are enough lifeboats for everyone!" To which one of the jumpers responds, "You can't fool us--there's no way those lodki (little boats) are seaworthy!"

It seems apropos to remember this after a horrible loss like this...a pathetic, uninspired performance, but to extrapolate too much from this, after what we've seen this year in the NFL, is just too pessimistic. I still say the team splits Pitt/Indy, and instead of being 8–2, they're 7-3, and still in first or tied for first with the Jets in the AFC east going into Thanksgiving. :)

#1182 Smiling Joe Hesketh


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:15 PM

Gronk is plenty athletic enough. So is Woodhead. This was a mental loss as much as anything with the mistakes and dropped balls. No two ways about it here.

I have never seen this team look so utterly unprepared to play a professional football game. Their effort was completely lacking and the results showed it. Multiple stupid, boneheaded mistakes, asinine turnovers, and an awful performance from both the quarterback and the defense as a whole.

I am pretty fucking disgusted by this performance today.

#1183 ivanvamp


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:19 PM

There's an old Polish or Russian joke about Slavic pessimism that runs: a ship with various European travelers hits an iceberg, and starts taking on water. The Slavs begin to jump over the side. The captain says "wait, what are you doing? there are enough lifeboats for everyone!" To which one of the jumpers responds, "You can't fool us--there's no way those lodki (little boats) are seaworthy!"

It seems apropos to remember this after a horrible loss like this...a pathetic, uninspired performance, but to extrapolate too much from this, after what we've seen this year in the NFL, is just too pessimistic. I still say the team splits Pitt/Indy, and instead of being 8–2, they're 7-3, and still in first or tied for first with the Jets in the AFC east going into Thanksgiving. :)


Just as we shouldn't get too high that this team, with obvious flaws, went 6-1, we shouldn't get too low when they deliver a stinkbomb (which this certainly was). This is a good, not great, team. Hopefully they don't have too many more of these though.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:26 PM

I don't know if Belichick will rip anyone a new one (as a side note, I agree that this response from fans is tired and gives ammo to the trolls in this forum including Berry and Yammer) but the outcome of this game is not really that surprising.

The Patriots with a young defense, on the road, against an opponent with an axe to grind. Yeah, not too shocking. That said, it will be almost impossible for them to play worse next week.

#1185 bsj


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:28 PM

Buhbye division!

#1186 Jack Sox

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:31 PM

Buhbye division!


yup. Youre so right, bsj. No way a 6-2 team could ever catch a 6-2 team.

#1187 firstroundpick

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:32 PM

i wish the patriots would have thought first before they dumped randy moss you pretty much got rid of him and welker in one move..brady looks lost now ...i hope the titans cut moss during their 1st practice this week get him back here i don;t care about moss but i want welker back lol

i don't understand when brady throws to a receiver there all double covered it seems but when an opposing qb throws on the patriots you know the receiver is going to be wide open by 5 to 10 feet..all season i couldn't understand why a team would even run 1 run play when you can throw the whole game to an always wide opened reciever.

Edited by firstroundpick, 07 November 2010 - 04:34 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:35 PM

i wish the patriots would have thought first before they dumped randy moss you pretty much got rid of him and welker in one move..brady looks lost now ...i hope the titans cut moss during their 1st practice this week get him back here i don;t care about moss but i want welker back lol

i don't understand when brady throws to a receiver there all double covered it seems but when an opposing qb throws on the patriots you know the receiver is going to be wide open by 5 to 10 feet..all season i couldn't understand why a team would even run 1 run play when you can throw the whole game to an always wide opened reciever.


Hey ee cummings

It's called capitalization and your posts are annoying as shit without it.

#1189 Salva135


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:38 PM

yup. Youre so right, bsj. No way a 6-2 team could ever catch a 6-2 team.


Well, we lost it today, at least, so maybe that's what he means. I'm done trying to predict this team, we are not exempt from the parity-fest of this season, and I don't think anyone ever thought we were. They're a good, but not elite team that can show up or not any given game.

#1190 kolbitr

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:40 PM

I don't know if Belichick will rip anyone a new one (as a side note, I agree that this response from fans is tired and gives ammo to the trolls in this forum including Berry and Yammer) but the outcome of this game is not really that surprising.

The Patriots with a young defense, on the road, against an opponent with an axe to grind. Yeah, not too shocking. That said, it will be almost impossible for them to play worse next week.



Cheers to Seoul for a good five game run, the last four of which were great great fun. Here's to a new five(or more)-game winning streak.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:42 PM

Lots of insane talk in here. I was stunned at what transpired on that field today, but whoa.

Anywho, this was a DOGSHIT performance. The Pats made critical mistakes the entire game, from the botched kickoff return to the Gronkowski fumble to the 67 dropped passes, and they had no continuity. Mistakes were made on seemingly every series, and it killed them. The Browns thoroughly outplayed the Pats, and it wasn't close.

Just a bad, bad game for this team. But, um, yeah, kissing the division goodbye is fucking moronic. My God, have you guys followed the NFL before? I really think some of you are too unstable to handle it.

Here are the big points, IMO:

- Pats defense was GASHED. After a game where they did a pretty good job containing one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL, they laid an egg. The front seven was ABUSED, and if you're wondering why there were huge seams in the back end all game look no further than the run defense. It's pretty easy to pass the ball when you're averaging like 6 yards a carry.
- Mistakes. Big ones. The game really got away from the Pats after the Gronkowski fumble. They made lots of them, but that stood out to me.

Basically, the Browns dictated the pace of the game and never let the Pats back in it after the Gronk fumble. I was pretty impressed with them, despite my frustration with the Pats.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:44 PM

Cheers to Seoul for a good five game run, the last four of which were great great fun. Here's to a new five(or more)-game winning streak.


It's been fun, but the Seoul Train has reached its destination. Thanks for the mention - and time for a new streak indeed.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:45 PM

There were critical mistakes everywhere today but if Gronk holds that ball before the half and the Pats put in the endzone I think this a different game. The Browns were a very good 2-5 team who had played some very tough teams and just came up short.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:46 PM

Hey ee cummings

It's called capitalization and your posts are annoying as shit without it.


Hey Shelterdog

It's called capitalization and your posts are annoying as shit with it.

#1195 SeoulSoxFan


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:53 PM

nm

Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 07 November 2010 - 05:20 PM.


#1196 kolbitr

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:54 PM

Here are the big points, IMO:

- Pats defense was GASHED. After a game where they did a pretty good job containing one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL, they laid an egg. The front seven was ABUSED, and if you're wondering why there were huge seams in the back end all game look no further than the run defense. It's pretty easy to pass the ball when you're averaging like 6 yards a carry.
- Mistakes. Big ones. The game really got away from the Pats after the Gronkowski fumble. They made lots of them, but that stood out to me.


Yeah, one would have thought that having done a decent job with AP and the Vikes, they had figured out the run defense, but today was embarrassing. This other, less-evil Peyton had the game of his life, no? Edit: not only a career day for him, but it is the first 100 yard rushed they have allowed all year. So...I say this was more anomaly than indicative of future success or failure...

Still, the Gronk fumble would have made it possible I think for them to win a game they didn't deserve to win...we have already had one of those this year, so it's hard to feel unlucky for that. The team just looked...hexed...some guys looking hungover or zombified, others dropping everything they saw, Brady looking flummoxed (his mechanics seemed way off, to these untrained eyes)...

(I blame Mankins! He's ruined team chemistry!)

Edited by kolbitr, 07 November 2010 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:57 PM

Hey Shelterdog

It's called capitalization and your posts are annoying as shit with it.


not that Shelterdog needs it but he, you know, brings a ton of good analysis to this board.

I mean he's not quite on the level of your 'how'd that work out last January' commentary regarding any criticism of Mark Sanchez, but really, who is?

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:58 PM

You're a troll SB. Enjoy Jets win today but you're a troll.

P.S. Funny your troll % gets higher with a Jets win, and crawls back in a deep dark cave with a loss like last week. Yup, definition of a Troll. That's with a capital T.


To be fair, Berry doesn't hide when his team is doing poorly. And its not his fault the Patriots sucked rancid zombie ass today.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 04:58 PM

You're a troll SB. Enjoy Jets win today but you're a troll.

P.S. Funny your troll % gets higher with a Jets win, and crawls back in a deep dark cave with a loss like last week. Yup, definition of a Troll. That's with a capital T.


Fuck you.

What cave did I go into last week? I was here all week.

And I didn't say shit about the Pats game ALL GAME or even in this thread. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:00 PM

not that Shelterdog needs it but he, you know, brings a ton of good analysis to this board.

I mean he's not quite on the level of your 'how'd that work out last January' commentary regarding any criticism of Mark Sanchez, but really, who is?


OK, how about "how'd Sanchez work out so far this season" commentary?

Yeah.. Shelterdog is fucking fantastic. He's brings a ton of commentary that is consistently wrong every week since the decade started. Hooray.