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ALCS Game 6: I Want To Believe


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#1 Wingack


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 11:00 PM

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Philly just avoided elimination on the road. Girardi's bunch can do it too.

#2 E5 Yaz


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 11:31 PM

So do we.

#3 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 11:36 PM

Rain in the forecast. Game 6 could be delayed. Game 7 on Saturday looks worse.

Rangers should have ended this when they had the chance.

Edited by SemperFidelisSox, 21 October 2010 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 21 October 2010 - 11:56 PM

Rain in the forecast. Game 6 could be delayed. Game 7 on Saturday looks worse.

Rangers should have ended this when they had the chance.

Maybe Cliff Lee can pitch Game 6 then?

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 01:49 AM

Today is Cano's 28th birthday. Both he and Hamilton are tied for the ALCS record with 4 HRs, so obviously either would break it with one more.

It'll be interesting to see how Girardi arranges the bottom half of the lineup after Jeter/Granderson/Cano/A-Rod. Berkman probably should be next right now against RHP, but that leaves them vulnerable to pitching around A-Rod late, then going to a lefty for Berkman. So the struggling Swisher maybe?

#6 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 07:51 AM

Fox Mulder would never support the Yankees.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 07:58 AM

Halladay with a mild groin pull? You know what that means: Yankees luck is in effect. They will win this series and beat the Phils.

Edited by yecul, 22 October 2010 - 07:58 AM.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 09:22 AM

Rain in the forecast. Game 6 could be delayed. Game 7 on Saturday looks worse.

Rangers should have ended this when they had the chance.

Then again, if the series gets delayed, Yankee starters will again be pitching on longer than normal rest, which will give them a convenient excuse for suckitude.

Yeah, I'm reaching.

I want to believe that the Rangers and Giants will make the World Series and I'll be able to watch baseball without giving a crap about who wins.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 10:21 AM

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#10 unclebobo

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 11:58 AM

Fox Mulder would never support the Yankees.


Don't believe for a second he rooted for the Sox just cuz his Mom had a summer home on the vin-yid


I seem to recall a line in the first movie where he made reference to getting a tattoo on his ass commemorating the Yankees WS win in '96

#11 mikeford


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:08 PM

Lets go... uh... Colby Lewis?

Fuck.

#12 Delonte James Jr.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:18 PM

Today is Cano's 28th birthday.


Darren O'Day feels very disappointed that you left out that it's his 28th birthday today, too.


Anyway, I think the Yankees take this one in extra innings. There's no way that the Yankees get unlucky as they did in Game 2. They seemed to really hammer the ball off Lewis, but they had nothing to show for it. Leaving 19 men on base probably won't happen again, either- too deep of a lineup. Besides, I really don't think Hughes will have two bad outings in a row.

Either way, the Yankee season ends tonight or tomorrow. Rangers, please end this tonight, so you can actually have a chance, if Philly moves on.

Edited by Delonte James Jr., 22 October 2010 - 12:20 PM.


#13 rembrat


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:24 PM

Cano's 28th?! Jesus, he ain't young anymore. Hopefully it's all downhill from here. Please hit Baergamode!

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:25 PM

I'm watching a replay of a 1999 Mets game on SNY....and Ron Darling has spent the 4th comparing Jeff Cirillo to Paul Molitor because he had a .302 career average as of that game.

We've come a long way in baseball analysis, folks.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:41 PM

Leaving 19 men on base probably won't happen again, either- too deep of a lineup.


I looked it up because 19 sounded way too high, it was actually 12.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:49 PM

Don't believe for a second he rooted for the Sox just cuz his Mom had a summer home on the vin-yid


I seem to recall a line in the first movie where he made reference to getting a tattoo on his ass commemorating the Yankees WS win in '96


Unfortunately, i have to agree. He makes multiple references to guys like Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle in that alien baseball episode. He even spouts off Mantle's career HR numbers, lefty and righty, to get through that old man's door.

He's also definitely a Knicks fan.

Edited by Kidd5PG, 22 October 2010 - 12:50 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:52 PM

I looked it up because 19 sounded way too high, it was actually 12.


Yeah, I got that from Yahoo Sports. Shows what they know, outside of Edes. I thought it sounded high, but it's what it said here: http://sports.yahoo....?gid=301016113. Seems like there's two ways of calculating LOB, but Yahoo seemed to use the less informed way, although it is more common (NESN uses/used it).

Where do you get your LOB stats, Jon? Baseball Reference? Just so I can get the right numbers.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 12:54 PM

I'm watching a replay of a 1999 Mets game on SNY....and Ron Darling has spent the 4th comparing Jeff Cirillo to Paul Molitor because he had a .302 career average as of that game.

We've come a long way in baseball analysis, folks.

We might have but I certainly doubt Ron Darling has.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 01:10 PM

Seems like there's two ways of calculating LOB, but Yahoo seemed to use the less informed way, although it is more common (NESN uses/used it).

Where do you get your LOB stats, Jon? Baseball Reference? Just so I can get the right numbers.


I just looked up the box score. 19 is more than 2 per inning, that would have to be close to a record. The other way just adds up how many runners each individual has left stranded, so bases loaded/no outs followed by 3 Ks would be 9 LOB just for that inning. Not an especially helpful number IMO.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 02:32 PM

I just looked up the box score. 19 is more than 2 per inning, that would have to be close to a record. The other way just adds up how many runners each individual has left stranded, so bases loaded/no outs followed by 3 Ks would be 9 LOB just for that inning. Not an especially helpful number IMO.


Don't get me wrong, I think that version [Yahoo's] of LOB is awful, the other LOB is much better. I just wanted to show my point (although poorly, due to a flawed stat) that I really don't think this series ends tonight.

#21 terrynever

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 02:36 PM

I sort of like those individual LOB stats in the boxscores. They give you a good idea who's really having a bad night!

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#23 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 03:48 PM

Homefield has meant nothing in this series or postseason, so being at home isn't as big of advantage for Texas as it might seem. And it's not as if they've played all that well at home anyway. Colby Lewis is probably the last person you'd want on the mound in a clinching game, and this is a different lineup he will facing than in Game 2. Hughes will pitch better now that he's going on normal rest, just like CC in Game 5. Yankees win this one big.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:00 PM

If this goes to 7 games the Yankees win.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:03 PM

I sort of like those individual LOB stats in the boxscores. They give you a good idea who's really having a bad night!


Welcome back! I agree they're fine for individuals, just meaningless when added together like that.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:15 PM

ESPN is saying Cliff Lee may move up to game 6 if the game in Arlington gets rained out tonight. Makes sense.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:15 PM

Welcome back! I agree they're fine for individuals, just meaningless when added together like that.

2 separate columns.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:17 PM

nm

Edited by Hendu's Gait, 22 October 2010 - 04:51 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:18 PM

Berkman 5th is a little risky, as I noted last night, since you can always go at him with a lefty, but that's what Girardi is doing anyway.

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Lance Berkman 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada C
Marcus Thames DH
Brett Gardner LF

#30 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:32 PM

Playoff games are not official after 5 innings. They are suspended, and Selig handles the scheduling of the games after that.

If they can't finish tonight's game, it would probably be suspended until Sunday because of the rain on Saturday. And then Game 7 would be Monday? Lee vs CC on normal rest.

Edited by SemperFidelisSox, 22 October 2010 - 04:33 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:36 PM

I don't see any weather issues beyond intermittent thunderstorms.

This is the description from NOAA.gov:

Tonight: A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 69. South wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.

Saturday: Showers and thunderstorms likely, mainly after 1pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. South wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Saturday Night: A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 67. South wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.


Looking at Accuweather's hourly forecast shows a passing Tstorm tonight between 9 and 10 and then nothing until the morning. Then tomorrow night is similar.

They will play even if they need to break for the storms to pass.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:40 PM

If both teams have to go to the bullpen early because of weather, not sure who that favors at this point. Holland has been great for Texas as the long man.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 04:50 PM

Playoff games are not official after 5 innings. They are suspended, and Selig handles the scheduling of the games after that.

If they can't finish tonight's game, it would probably be suspended until Sunday because of the rain on Saturday. And then Game 7 would be Monday? Lee vs CC on normal rest.

Is the weather the one thing that could screw up Cliff Lee finishing this thing off? Scattered T-Storms and Isolated T-Storms predicted through Sunday, starting sometime tonight. Lee starts, goes whatever number of innings, game suspended and he's done. I heard yesterday that he's one guy that will not go on less than four days rest, even if asked. Don't know about a few innings on Saturday and then maybe on Monday again. Guess he's a pussy. :rolleyes:

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:11 PM

Rangers should have ended this when they had the chance.


You mean when they were facing CC in the Bronx?

I'm pretty sure most of us would have been pretty happy last week with the idea that the Rangers would be heading back to Arlington with a 3-2 series lead and CC on the shelf the rest of the way.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:15 PM

I'm pretty sure most of us would have been pretty happy last week with the idea that the Rangers would be heading back to Arlington with a 3-2 series lead and CC on the shelf the rest of the way.


Maybe you missed it or you're just talking about starters, but CC is supposedly available behind Hughes tonight for 45-50 pitches. Here's the latest on that:

http://yankees.lhblo...e-for-anything/

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:21 PM

Maybe you missed it or you're just talking about starters, but CC is supposedly available behind Hughes tonight for 45-50 pitches. Here's the latest on that:

http://yankees.lhblo...e-for-anything/


Hadn't seen that. I welcome his presence tonight, both in terms of his likely effectivness as well as his health over the rest of his ginormous contract.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:27 PM

Hadn't seen that. I welcome his presence tonight, both in terms of his likely effectivness as well as his health over the rest of his ginormous contract.


You might be right about the effectiveness, he hasn't even been so good in his normal role.

But I don't think 1-2 innings would be too far removed from a throw day routine in between starts, I highly doubt it would have any long-term impact.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:33 PM

Texas closes it out tonight. They opened the series hitting the ball well and that hasn't changed. Phil Hughes and his cutter wont bring much to the table.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:38 PM

Texas closes it out tonight. They opened the series hitting the ball well and that hasn't changed. Phil Hughes and his cutter wont bring much to the table.


He hasn't been using many cutters in his two postseason starts, good article about it here:

http://riveraveblues...fference-37307/

Fastball command is the key with him. He had it against Minnesota, he did not in game 2 here.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:44 PM

So it's been fastball and curve all postseason? Sorry, that I didn't look at the pitch f/x data before making my post.

Minnesota, for whatever the reason, is a bad fastball hitting team. So it's possible that he had the same shitty command he had against the Rangers in his Minnesota starts. It's just that pitching is incredibly subjective. When the results are there, we think, shit he must be on his game and when the results aren't there we think something is up.

tl;dr version - Twinkies hit like girls, Texas dig the fastball, no one knows shit about pitching.

Edited by rembrat, 22 October 2010 - 05:45 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2010 - 05:48 PM

So it's been fastball and curve all postseason? Sorry, that I didn't look at the pitch f/x data before making my post.

Minnesota, for whatever the reason, is a bad fastball hitting team. So it's possible that he had the same shitty command he had against the Rangers in his Minnesota starts. It's just that pitching is incredibly subjective. When the results are there, we think, shit he must be on his game and when the results aren't there we think something is up.

tl;dr version - Twinkies hit like girls, Texas dig the fastball, no one knows shit about pitching.


Yeah, not to mention that whether the ump is giving the corners that day or not is often pretty crucial.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:21 PM

Biggest surprise to me in this series has been the ineffective Yankee bullpen. Not sure it mattered too much in terms of losing games that were already going down the toilet.

Yanks in 7! :)

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:38 PM

Wood and Rivera have been lights out. Everybody else has been so so. But it's do or die for the the Yankees and Girardi will use CC, Wood and Rivera for multiple innings if he has too, so the Rangers aren't likely to see Sergio Mitre again.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:40 PM

From the Dept. of You Can't Make This Up:

Tonight's national anthem will be sung by BJ Thomas, whose big hit, 40 years ago, was "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head".

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:48 PM

From the Dept. of You Can't Make This Up:

Tonight's national anthem will be sung by BJ Thomas, whose big hit, 40 years ago, was "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head".



That's the most awesome thing I've heard all day!

Does anyone think any baseball will be played tonight?

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:50 PM

I think they'll get it in, yeah.

NY has a team OPS of .902 against RHP so far this postseason.

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 07:01 PM

Tarp on the field now...

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B.J. Thomas, famous for singing Rain Drops Keep Falling on My Head, begins National Anthem and it begins to pour #symbolism

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 07:02 PM

From the Dept. of You Can't Make This Up:

Tonight's national anthem will be sung by BJ Thomas, whose big hit, 40 years ago, was "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head".

Texas' version of the Cowsills or something?

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 07:03 PM

Tarp now coming off the field, and both pitchers warming up. I wonder what condition the field is in?

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 07:08 PM

This could be one of those start/stop affairs that knock starters out early. I hate when that happens. If that's going to happen I'd rather they just postpone the thing.