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Semi-Final: The glorious and mighty Oranje vs South America's Last Hope


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#1 mikeford


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Posted 04 July 2010 - 03:13 PM

No Suarez for Uruguay

No de Jong for Holland

#2 ossie schreckengost

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:15 PM

the game we´re about to see is the most stupid, appalling, disgusting and disgraceful exhibition of football possibly in the history of the game.

the urus vs the dutch. two sides who get "it".

it will be glorious.






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Posted 05 July 2010 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE (ossie schreckengost @ Jul 4 2010, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the game we´re about to see is the most stupid, appalling, disgusting and disgraceful exhibition of football possibly in the history of the game.

the urus vs the dutch. two sides who get "it".

it will be glorious.


I don't know what this means, but here's my two cents:

Uruguay have really thrived when their forwards get physical and can establish possession upfield, but their D has looked shaky in the knockout stages after a good start in group play. Suarez out really hurts this team, as Forlan, Abreu, and others have really played off of him effectively.

The Dutch defended a talented, albeit tactically confused outfit in Brazil, with a backup CB, which is very impressive, but it's their offense that continues to impress. Although the Dutch resemble the Spanish in that they have a talented striker pulling a disappearing act (RVP and Torres), the rest of the team has looked brilliant - Dirk Kuyt is replicating his Liverpool UCL hay days from a couple of years back, Arjen Robben has looked creative down the flank and constantly draws two defenders, and Wesley Sneijder has been a menace all over the field, including the cameras.

I expect the Dutch to dictate play and put pressure on early. As Uruguay defends, how they transition to offense will be key. I don't expect them to build out of the back, because their strength doesn't lie in their midfield, so I'll be watching how the forwards fare against the Dutch defensemen in stand up (back to the goal) play. If they can maintain possession, it will put the Dutch back on their heels, and if they don't, they'll be forced to drop more players (or risk it by keeping them up) and stick strictly to long balls.

I see the dutch drawing clumsy fouls from Uruguay in dangerous positions throughout the first half, but with the number and quality of the chances remaining pretty equal. Late in the first, Ned will put one in, then have a few close calls, but go into half time up one. Uruguay will come out aggressively in the 2nd, but Ned will be able to maintain possession and make chances on Uruguay's side of the field. I expect that they will put another one in on a dangerous counter midway of the 2nd half, then hunker down for the remainder. Uruguay could break down the Dutch defense though, so I'd say either 2-0, 2-1, and with a remote possibility of 3-1.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 06:03 AM

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The Dutch defended a talented, albeit tactically confused outfit in Brazil, with a backup CB, which is very impressive, but it's their offense that continues to impress.

No, the Dutch got lucky against a talented, albeit tactically confused outfit in Brazil, with a backup CB. Their defending was fucking awful in the first half, and at least four times in the second half their defending should have given up goals, just there was poor finishing by Kaka or Robinho, or no Brazilian to meet the ball. Heitinga and Ooijer were not very good at all.

And frankly their finishing was crappy too. They got an own goal (I don't care what FIFA says) and a goal by Sneijder off terrible Brazilian defending. Kuyt flubbed an easy chance, Van Persie's touch was so bad Sneijder actually shot the ball and Huntelaar gagged when a pass could have scored a goal for Holland.

They did some things well, like going down the right and using more of their best player (Robben) rather than trying to attack down Maicon and Alves's side, but I haven't been impressed by their performances against powder-puff teams and after re-watching the highlights I can't help but think they got tremendously lucky.

Saying all that, they will probably win. Robben's pace will really test the Uruguayan back four, which seems to struggle against really fast, direct running. No Suarez means that Abreu will probably play up front and that's a big step downward. The Dutch can probably afford to man-mark Forlan, who is the player of the tournament for me. It's certainly possible the Dutch have a sluggish game, can't finish and lose 1-0 on a piece of Forlan brilliance, but that's the only combination that looks possible for Uruguay to go through. But who knows, games like these are what make Uruguayan footballers get out of bed in the morning.


#5 Tony the Pony


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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:08 PM

Holland will be without De Jong and Van der Wiel. Replacing Van der Wiel with Bouhlarouz should be no big problem, and Demy de Zweeuw is not much worse than De Jong.

Uruguay misses Suarez, but also FC Porto defender Fucile. I do expect Lugano to be back.

Looking forward to this match. Holland has only beaten Uruguay once. Ever. That was in 1974, and that World Cup featured a Holland - Germany final.

#6 MentalDisabldLst


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 04:26 AM

Why isn't Skrub here rooting for his native Holland?

#7 Tony the Pony


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 08:02 AM

He will be here rooting for his native Holland.
Beerrun starts in 10 minutes


EDIT: In fact, anybody in the Boston area is welcome to swing by. The weather is hot, the ocean refrshing, beer will be cold before 10AM and we'll have the match on, of course. 617-650-4488

Edited by Tony the Pony, 06 July 2010 - 08:16 AM.


#8 sleepyjose03

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 08:35 AM

Man that offer is tempting, Nils. Its a damn shame I am already at the office. Don't think I can get away with calling in sick at this point! rolling.gif

#9 Tony the Pony


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 09:54 AM

QUOTE (sleepyjose03 @ Jul 6 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't think I can get away with calling in sick at this point!


The Allented Mr Ripley seems to think he can.

It's ON!

#10 Sille Skrub

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE (MentalDisabldLst @ Jul 6 2010, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why isn't Skrub here rooting for his native Holland?

I've been busy ironing my speedo all morning.

Hup Holland Hup!

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (sleepyjose03 @ Jul 6 2010, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man that offer is tempting, Nils. Its a damn shame I am already at the office. Don't think I can get away with calling in sick at this point! rolling.gif



QUOTE (Tony the Pony @ Jul 6 2010, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Allented Mr Ripley seems to think he can.

It's ON!


I'm using the tried-and-true "afternoon meeting at the main campus" gambit. Hasn't failed me yet.


#12 EastCoasterOutWest


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 11:34 AM

QUOTE (Tony the Pony @ Jul 5 2010, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Holland will be without De Jong and Van der Wiel. Replacing Van der Wiel with Bouhlarouz should be no big problem, and Demy de Zweeuw is not much worse than De Jong.

Uruguay misses Suarez, but also FC Porto defender Fucile. I do expect Lugano to be back.

Looking forward to this match. Holland has only beaten Uruguay once. Ever. That was in 1974, and that World Cup featured a Holland - Germany final.


Lugano may be more key to their play than Suarez. Once he was out of the match the Uruguayan defense looked disorganized.

#13 ifmanis5


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:49 PM

Show us your Oranje pride!










#14 Spacemans Bong


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:53 PM

Lugano is out, which means Martin Caceres makes his first appearance in the World Cup.

#15 DLew On Roids


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:08 PM

From @GrantWahl:

#NED lineup: Stekelenburg; Boulahrouz, Heitinga, Mathijsen, V Bronckhorst; De Zeeuw, V Bommel; Kuyt, Sneijder, Robben, V Persie
#URU lineup: Muslera; Mono Pereira, Godin, Victorino, Cáceres; Diego Pérez, Gargano, Arevalo Ríos, Alvaro Pereira; Forlan, Cavani

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:24 PM

I wish I could mute Harkes.

#17 URI


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:24 PM

QUOTE (hunter05 @ Jul 6 2010, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wish I could mute Harkes.


The vuvuzuelas aren't so bad now, are they?

#18 mikeford


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:25 PM

Come on you glorious Oranje bastards!

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (URI @ Jul 6 2010, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The vuvuzuelas aren't so bad now, are they?

So very true. Why wasn't Harkes sent home with the USMNT?

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (mikeford @ Jul 6 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So very true. Why wasn't Harkes sent home with the USMNT?


They were afraid that old memories would come back and he'd fuck Duece's wife.

#21 Infield Infidel


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:32 PM

Van Bommel: TAKE NO PRISONERS

#22 Sausage in Section 17


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:39 PM

Anyone streaming? I'm in the middle of loading a U-Haul, and my DirecTV is disconnected.

#23 Thieving Venison

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:40 PM

ESPN360 is streaming it, but for some reason I can't seem to access it.

Anyone have an alternate online feed?

#24 teddykgb

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

and my slingbox just shit the bed, so a working streaming link would be helpful

#25 DLew On Roids


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:44 PM

Dirk Kuyt has a posse.

#26 cannonball 1729

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Sausage in Section 17 @ Jul 6 2010, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone streaming? I'm in the middle of loading a U-Haul, and my DirecTV is disconnected.

atdhe.net is always your friend.

#27 Infield Infidel


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:48 PM

what a shot

#28 DLew On Roids


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:48 PM

HOLY SHIT

#29 bandito0

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:48 PM

What a strike. An absolute lazer.

#30 Rossox

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (bandito0 @ Jul 6 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a strike. An absolute lazer.


Indeed, one of the best of the Tourney. That was a BLAST.

#31 johnmd20


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (bandito0 @ Jul 6 2010, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a strike. An absolute lazer.

A phenomenal blast! Inspiring, I'm really hoping for a Netherlands-Germany final, so that goal was a good thing.

#32 URI


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:49 PM

Holy shit, what a strike that was.

#33 Vinho Tinto

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:50 PM

El Capitan Gio

#34 Harry Hooper


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:51 PM

Uruguay just got Broncked.

#35 ifmanis5


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:52 PM

How do you say 'Laser Show' in Dutch?

#36 bandito0

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:58 PM

Ouch. I wasn't sure if he caught him with the foot when it was live.

#37 Infield Infidel


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:59 PM

I always imagine that the little cooler the medic brings to the field is filled with a six-pack of the nation's most famous brew.

I guess that means Heineken in this case.

#38 Zomp


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:59 PM

Caceres shouldn't have been booked there.

#39 MentalDisabldLst


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:07 PM

Those seeking a stream are welcome to try this one, from Citi's intranet:

http://digitalmedia....9.199.3.11:2001

edit: or just the IP on the end of it, 239.199.3.11 port 2001

Edited by MentalDisabldLst, 06 July 2010 - 02:09 PM.


#40 Mystic Merlin


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

OH MY GOD

#41 Infield Infidel


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

Forlan!

#42 teddykgb

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

Forlan is so money and he doesn't even know it

#43 Statman

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

If you don't mind watching it in Spanish, Univision has a great stream up:

http://futbol.univis...artidos-en-vivo

#44 Zomp


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

He is so sexy.

#45 Freddy Linn


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

This is some good shit.

#46 bandito0

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

Forlan again. The guy is a machine right now.

#47 ifmanis5


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

Great strike but the keeper needs to stop that. Soft goal.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

Howard would have had it.

#49 MentalDisabldLst


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:12 PM

Wow was that a perfectly located shot. Almost looked like the keeper should have had it.

#50 Vinho Tinto

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:12 PM

Great shot. Bad job by the Dutch on allowing the pass to Forlan and giving him that shooting angle.