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#1 RedOctober3829


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 05:53 PM

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A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com the regents met informally Wednesday and have agreed to move to the Big Ten and that a formal announcement Nebraska is leaving will come Friday.

Sources close to Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech have suggested to Orangebloods.com over the last week that if Nebraska leaves, the Big 12 can't be saved.

A Fox television report out of Ohio said Nebraska now has an invitation from the Big Ten.

One of the reasons given for Nebraska's importance to the league is because the relationship between Missouri and the rest of the Big 12 has soured beyond repair.

And to complicate matters for Missouri, the Tigers appear to be falling down the list of priorities for the Big Ten.

An athletic director with knowledge of the Big Ten said, "Missouri is getting cold shoulder from Big Ten."

Joe Schad of ESPN reported Wednesday that the Big Ten list of interest for expansion goes like this: 1) Notre Dame 2) Nebraska 3) Rutgers and/or Maryland.


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Two different executives in the Big 12 confirmed to Orangebloods.com Wednesday morning the hard deadline for Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado and the entire Big 12 to pledge their allegiance to each other is Monday, June 14.

A high-level executive at a Big 12 institution said there have been informal conversations about who to add to the Big 12 if schools start to leave. Those schools have included BYU and Air Force.

But that same executive as well as others in the Big 12 South have told Orangebloods.com the conference will not survive if Nebraska leaves - no matter who else stays or goes.

If Nebraska were to stay in the Big 12 and Missouri and Colorado were to leave, for example, the sense is the Big 12 could attempt to add schools like BYU and Air Force to the Big 12 North and move ahead.


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In a related development, a legislative source with knowledge of Texas A&M said officials from A&M and Texas will meet on Thursday to discuss all the goings on and to make sure they are on the same page if the Big 12 falls apart. The source said, however, that Texas and Texas A&M remain steadfast in lobbying for the Big 12 to stay together.


And this bombshell.
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It has been expressed to Orangebloods.com by a top collegiate executive that any movement toward four, 16-team super conferences will be met with resistance by Congress.

The executive said that could be bad news for college athletics because Congress has already taken some cursory looks at the fact athletic departments enjoy a tax-exempt status as part of their universities.

The executive said if it appears the rich are getting richer in college athletics, there will be a hard look at whether to take away the tax exempt status of athletic departments.

"And it won't just be Orin Hatch (a member of the U.S. Senate Finance Committee from Utah and longtime BCS critic) looking into this," the source said.

Stay tuned.

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BREAKING NEWS(Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com): The 6 schools mentioned(Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado) are going to the Pac-10. Texas AD DeLoss Dodds met with coaches today to tell them that they did all they could to save the Big 12. The Big 12 is DEAD.

Edited by RedOctober3829, 11 June 2010 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:02 PM

Pac-16 looks like its about to happen. I'm more interested In which teams outside of Texas, A&M, Tech and OU will be going. Colorado should be a lock for its Denver market. If Baylor somehow weasels its way in riding on UT's coattails once again it could come at the expense of OSU. Which would immensely suck.

Hey Mizzou, hows that breaking away from the Big 12 thing going for ya? Have fun in the Mountain West or C-USA.

Edited by Westlake, 09 June 2010 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:14 PM

And six minutes later Chip Brown breaks the story. CU opting out. Everyone opting out. Most interesting off-season ever.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:20 PM

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The Big 12 appears to be dead.

A source close to the Nebraska Board of Regents told Orangebloods.com the regents informally agreed Wednesday to move to the Big Ten and that a formal announcement Nebraska is leaving will come Friday.

Sources close to Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech have suggested to Orangebloods.com over the last week that if Nebraska leaves, the Big 12 can't be saved.

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and president Williams Powers gathered UT coaches today at 2 p.m. CT to tell them they did everything they could to save the Big 12 but that they were unsuccessful.

Just as Orangebloods.com was first to report last Thursday, the Pac-10 will invite Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Colorado.

And it appears those invitations will be accepted.

According to sources, Colorado will also opt out of the Big 12 and accept an invitation to the Pac-10.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Westlake @ Jun 9 2010, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And six minutes later Chip Brown breaks the story. CU opting out. Everyone opting out. Most interesting off-season ever.


Not for the people who have jobs depended on athletic departments that don't feature big time football. "Interesting" becomes "terrifying".

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:44 PM

what does this mean for Kansas, K-State, Baylor and Iowa State?

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (jmanny24 @ Jun 9 2010, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what does this mean for Kansas, K-State, Baylor and Iowa State?

Kansas/K-State will wait to see what shakes out and join any power conference that will take them. Iowa State will go to C-USA and Baylor will go to MWC. For Missouri, who the heck knows?

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:58 PM

Was it really the Big 10's goal to add just one team, and Nebraska at that? No offense to the Bugeaters, but there are many schools that would've brought in more televisions than NU. I say the Big 10 goes for 16, and Missouri will be one of the additional four schools that they end up taking.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:01 PM

QUOTE (jmanny24 @ Jun 9 2010, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what does this mean for Kansas, K-State, Baylor and Iowa State?

It means trouble. No sure answers, no quick remedy in sight. I just ended a 35-minute phone call with a friend back in Kansas, to get his perspective. As a Nebraska fan, he's troubled by the move because he doesn't want the rivalries -- Nebraska, Kansas, Mizzou and Iowa State were charter members of the original Valley conference in 1907 -- to end, even though a Nebraska-Iowa rivalry will take off in no time.

As for the four leftovers, KU's in the best position because its basketball program has cache and will attract some power conference. We might need to wait for 20 dominoes to fall between now and then, but eventually, we're going to see KU in a power conference somewhere, perhaps doing the Thursday-Saturday travel schedule the Pac-10 does within the ACC or Big East. Both those conferences make sense given their basketball rep.

It's a lot more problematic for K-State (Mountain West?), Baylor (Mountain West?) and Iowa State (MAC?), who don't have the same fan base, resources or trump card as the Jayhawks.

EDIT -- One more thing: KU and K-State are not tied at the hip by any state law, and theoretically, they could go to separate conferences. There is speculation that the state's legislature might pressure KU to look out for little brother, though, and try to save a spot in their new home.

Edited by Sea Dog, 09 June 2010 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:01 PM

You'd have to think the Big Ten is going to pull out all the stops for Notre Dame now.

C-USA has 12 teams, and the MAC has 13. Does Iowa State make more sense for the latter as the 7th team in the West division?

Pure speculation here, but if Rutgers bolts to the Big Ten, will this prompt a similar feeding frenzy on the Big East? I could see UConn, Syracuse, WVA and Pitt joining the ACC. Cinci, Louisville and South Florida could logically join the SEC along with Missouri, which borders Arkansas.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:14 PM

QUOTE (mabrowndog @ Jun 9 2010, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pure speculation here, but if Rutgers bolts to the Big Ten, will this prompt a similar feeding frenzy on the Big East? I could see UConn, Syracuse, WVA and Pitt joining the ACC. Cinci, Louisville and South Florida could logically join the SEC along with Missouri, which borders Arkansas.

If we're geography with Mizzou, KU's campus (266 miles) is actually closer to Fayetteville, Ark., than Mizzou's (311 miles). And while KU would only bring the KC market as opposed to both KC and STL, the Jayhawks would bring a much-needed basketball rep to a conference that could use another heavyweight. KU also has a lot more Big 12 titles (22) than Mizzou (6), which speaks to the quality and balance of the athletic department.

Edited by Sea Dog, 09 June 2010 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:23 PM

Sucks for Iowa State. And bad for the state of Iowa as a whole. Lot of money in lost revenue for the school, I'm sure, at a time when budgets really can't handle it.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:31 PM

One man's opinion of the 4 superconferences. Kansas and KSU to the ACC because the Big 10 won't accept them.
ACC
Duke
North Carolina
East Carolina
Boston College
NC State
Wake Forest
Central Florida
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Connecticut
Syracuse
West Virginia
Louisville
South Florida
Kansas
Kansas State

SEC
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Florida
Arkansas
LSU
Georgia Tech
South Carolina
Tennessee
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Miami
Florida State

Big 16
Purdue
Ohio State
Penn State
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern
Indiana
Illinois
Nebraska
Rutgers
Missouri
Maryland
Pittsburgh

Pac-16
Arizona State
Arizona
UCLA
USC
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
Colorado
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:32 PM

Sucks for Utah too as they had good odds to be moving to the PAC-10 but now have no real home outside the Mountain West.

I would expect Orrin Hatch to lead the charge for an inquiry since a school in his state is getting hosed in this deal.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:33 PM

Chip Brown on ESPN Radio says he expects Notre Dame to flirt with joining the ACC. Something about the ACC being non-AAU schools and wanting to be a big fish in a small pond.

Brown also suggested that Kansas may join the Big East. For basketball reasons, that may make a lot of sense.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:37 PM

We should title every thread with new info "BREAKING NEWS" from now on.

Kinda adds something to it...

#17 BS_SoxFan

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:39 PM

I like the idea but just a heads up you have Maryland playing in the ACC and Big 16 and Texas Tech listed twice in the Pac 16.

edit: got rid of the entire quoted list

Edited by BS_SoxFan, 09 June 2010 - 07:48 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Jun 9 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One man's opinion of the 4 superconferences. Kansas and KSU to the ACC because the Big 10 won't accept them.

Interesting that you added Central Florida to the mix.

Is Notre Dame really going to continue on the rogue path and allow themselves to be left out of this dance? That could be an egregious miscalculation on their part.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE (BS_SoxFan @ Jun 9 2010, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like the idea but just a heads up you have Maryland playing in the ACC and Big 16 and Texas Tech listed twice in the Pac 16.

edit: got rid of the entire quoted list

I think one of the TT's is supposed to be Texas A&M.

The duplicate Maryland still leaves a vacancy, and Cincinnati's the only Big East team he didn't account for.

EDIT - And Red's now replaced MD with East Carolina in the ACC. So I guess the Bearcats are left on the sidelines with Notre Dame? Seems unlikely.

Edited by mabrowndog, 09 June 2010 - 07:56 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:56 PM

We're getting ever closer to something resembling a true playoff system. Unless you're Boise State or something.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:34 PM

Mizzou will get a Big Ten invite, but it's contingent on one of the home run picks saying yes first. So they might want to do some lobbying in South Bend it's looking like.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:36 PM

QUOTE (Trautwein's Degree @ Jun 9 2010, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We're getting ever closer to something resembling a true playoff system. Unless you're Boise State or something.

I think this is going to move away from a playoff system. I could see the Rose Bowl withdrawing from the BCS and being content with Big-16/Pac-16 every year. The amount of TV money involved would certainly outweigh being part of a NCG rotation and losing one or both of the conference champions to one of the other BCS bowls 3 out of every 4 years, especially when you have teams like Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska in the mix.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:38 PM

Random thoughts:

1) How the hell can Congress step in and regulate the alignment of college athletic teams?

2) If it's a Pac-16, would that entitle the "forgotten four" to 50 percent of the applicable revenue of the departing teams, per Big 12 rules? Kind of a nice parting gift to KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor/CU...

3) Prime opportunity for the Utah's/Boise State's of the world to pick up/merge with the Big 12 rejects and get BCS rights in the process.

4) What happens to the Cotton Bowl and the Big 12 tie-in to the Fiesta?

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:54 PM

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I think this is going to move away from a playoff system. I could see the Rose Bowl withdrawing from the BCS and being content with Big-16/Pac-16 every year. The amount of TV money involved would certainly outweigh being part of a NCG rotation and losing one or both of the conference champions to one of the other BCS bowls 3 out of every 4 years, especially when you have teams like Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska in the mix.


With mega conferences it's possible to have 4 team conference playoffs for the right to go to the BCS.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (WestMassExpat @ Jun 9 2010, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Random thoughts:

1) How the hell can Congress step in and regulate the alignment of college athletic teams?

2) If it's a Pac-16, would that entitle the "forgotten four" to 50 percent of the applicable revenue of the departing teams, per Big 12 rules? Kind of a nice parting gift to KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor/CU...

3) Prime opportunity for the Utah's/Boise State's of the world to pick up/merge with the Big 12 rejects and get BCS rights in the process.

4) What happens to the Cotton Bowl and the Big 12 tie-in to the Fiesta?


It's interstate commerce. That's how they can regulate it. The NCAA is the nation's largest racket. Where else can one make so much money while paying labor so little in return?



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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:20 PM

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It's interstate commerce. That's how they can regulate it. The NCAA is the nation's largest racket. Where else can one make so much money while paying labor so little in return?


They also threaten university's tax exempt status especially in regards to athletics departments which at many school rakes in tons of money.

#27 Sea Dog

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Sea Bass Neely @ Jun 9 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mizzou will get a Big Ten invite, but it's contingent on one of the home run picks saying yes first. So they might want to do some lobbying in South Bend it's looking like.

Never did see the Joe Schad piece on ESPN, but this comment on Orangebloods.com makes it sound like Mizzou's a backup to the backup plans. Basically, the Big Ten list of interest for expansion went like this:

1. Notre Dame
2. Nebraska
3. Rutgers and/or Maryland.

http://texas.rivals....asp?CID=1092612

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:34 PM

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Is Notre Dame really going to continue on the rogue path and allow themselves to be left out of this dance? That could be an egregious miscalculation on their part.


Their NBC deal goes through '15, they get over $1M per game in rights. It's hard to imagine how they could keep or recoup that by joining a conference. But, after this off-season, you can't rule anything out.

(Although, articles claim that these conferences could hand out $20+ million to each team, based on creating a new TV network and all that. So, who knows).

Edited by Rudy Pemberton, 09 June 2010 - 09:41 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:49 PM

QUOTE (Sea Bass Neely @ Jun 9 2010, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mizzou will get a Big Ten invite, but it's contingent on one of the home run picks saying yes first. So they might want to do some lobbying in South Bend it's looking like.


Mizzou is a very valuable property with the KC and STL markets, and the geographic symmetry beneath Iowa and bordering Illinois. I hope to God Mizzou doesn't botch this, though.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Sea Dog @ Jun 9 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Never did see the Joe Schad piece on ESPN, but this comment on Orangebloods.com makes it sound like Mizzou's a backup to the backup plans. Basically, the Big Ten list of interest for expansion went like this:

1. Notre Dame
2. Nebraska
3. Rutgers and/or Maryland.

http://texas.rivals....asp?CID=1092612


Maryland jumping ship would surprise me, yet a lot of people keep listing that as a possibility. Why would they do this? It's a basketball-first school with pretty solid ACC ties, a pretty fierce rivalry with Duke, and burgeoning cross-city rivalries with the VA teams. Their football team is barely competitive in the ACC and it seems like they'd be buried in the Big-10.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (SumnerH @ Jun 9 2010, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maryland jumping ship would surprise me, yet a lot of people keep listing that as a possibility. Why would they do this? It's a basketball-first school with pretty solid ACC ties, a pretty fierce rivalry with Duke, and burgeoning cross-city rivalries with the VA teams. Their football team is barely competitive in the ACC and it seems like they'd be buried in the Big-10.

TV sets. If the Big 10 could get Maryland, you're talking Baltimore and DC for the Big 10 Network. And in the east, they already have Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan, so it's not like they need to get any more top-heavy on that side of the conference.

Re: Mizzou, I wonder if the Big 10 decides it has enough of a presence in St. Louis with Illinois, it could go for the blue-blood basketball program in KU, which matches up with Mizzou everywhere else and still delivers the KC market.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:16 PM

QUOTE (Sea Dog @ Jun 9 2010, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TV sets. If the Big 10 could get Maryland, you're talking Baltimore and DC for the Big 10 Network. And in the east, they already have Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan, so it's not like they need to get any more top-heavy on that side of the conference.

Re: Mizzou, I wonder if the Big 10 decides it has enough of a presence in St. Louis with Illinois, it could go for the blue-blood basketball program in KU, which matches up with Mizzou everywhere else and still delivers the KC market.


Not really; Champaign is in eastern Illinois and is 2.5 hours from St. Louis. There's an Illinois contingent here, but it's a solid Mizzou town through and through.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Sea Dog @ Jun 9 2010, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TV sets. If the Big 10 could get Maryland, you're talking Baltimore and DC for the Big 10 Network. And in the east, they already have Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan, so it's not like they need to get any more top-heavy on that side of the conference.


I get why the Big 10 would want Maryland, I don't see why Maryland would want to switch from the ACC. They'd basically be torpedoing their football program and losing established rivalries in basketball.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:58 PM

So what happens with all the schedules and stuff? I assume they keep them as is for the full academic year next year and then switch over but have no idea.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE (kenneycb @ Jun 9 2010, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what happens with all the schedules and stuff? I assume they keep them as is for the full academic year next year and then switch over but have no idea.



When the Southwest Conference disbanded it took a few years before it finalized as the Texas schools agreed to join up with the Big 8 to make them 12 in 93, but stayed with their conference until 96.

Who knows what this will do to schedules short term though as there would be massive penalties to cancel currently signed games with out of conference opponents.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 11:29 PM

QUOTE (kenneycb @ Jun 9 2010, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what happens with all the schedules and stuff? I assume they keep them as is for the full academic year next year and then switch over but have no idea.

Chip Brown, the Rivals reporter for Orangebloods leading the story, said on an ESPN radio interview the Pac-16 would begin for the 2012 season, meaning there would be two football and basketball seasons before it starts up. I imagine the same tension while the Big East waited for Miami, VT and BC to leave times a couple.

#37 Westlake

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:36 AM

I think Brown also said baseball and basketball could start up in the Pac before 2012. Guess it's easier to move around those schedules than football. The home and home with UCLA that UT has no longer sounds that cool to me.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:53 AM

And will the Buffaloes soon roam westward?

http://blogs.mercury...mes-the-pac-11/

If this is correct, Colorado joins the Pac Ten tomorrow.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 06:50 AM

I hope the ACC does not take Kansas. No way are they on par academically and then we'll have Roy Williams versus Kansas stories shoved down our throats every season or two.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:01 AM

Seems like this is just a giant game of musical chairs, and at the end there's going to be a few schools left out of the power elite.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:58 AM

ESPN's Brian Bennett theorizes the Big Ten wants both Rutgers and Syracuse to gain full control of the NYC collegiate market. His thinking is that this would weaken the Big East enough to force Notre Dame to relent and join as well.

He also wonders if the recent issues with UConn men's hoop will jeopardize their appeal (I doubt it), thinks Pittsburgh isn't in the Big Ten's plans, and implies that WV/S.Fla/Cinci/Louisville will have to go begging for spots in the ACC should the Big East collapse.

One thing I'm left wondering about is how this will affect some of the Big East basketball schools without football: Georgetown, St. John's, Seton Hall, DePaul, etc. They all clearly generate appeal, and they're all in huge TV markets.

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[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/23001/big-east-expansion-worry-o-meter-2-fever-falling"]ESPN's Brian

One thing I'm left wondering about is how this will affect some of the Big East basketball schools without football: Georgetown, St. John's, Seton Hall, DePaul, etc. They all clearly generate appeal, and they're all in huge TV markets.


There will be enough basketball powers left over (mostly Catholic schools in good TV markets) to make a basketball-centric, non-football conference. The idea makes too much sense not to do it.

In addition to the four you name, you could have Villanova, Providence, Marquette, and then take the schools who get shut out of the reshuffling, or pick off one or two of the more attractive A-10 schools (Xavier, maybe).

I could even see ND joining such a league to give their basketball teams and minor sports a home, while remaining football-independent.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:17 AM

Taking a (relatively obvious) guess at the Pac-16s Divisions:

Southwest:
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Pacific:
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

To have a balanced schedule in basketball, they could have 4 divisions, with teams playing divisional opponents twice. This would make 18 games, the same as the Pac-10 currently plays.

Central:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M

Southwest:
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Texas Tech

California:
California
Stanford
UCLA
USC

Northwest:
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State

Will the football schedule eventually expand to 11 conference games? Although it's an interdivision opponent, only playing a team once every four years is pretty rare.


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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:28 AM

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I get why the Big 10 would want Maryland, I don't see why Maryland would want to switch from the ACC. They'd basically be torpedoing their football program and losing established rivalries in basketball.


Money. That's what this, and most everything in life, is always about.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:33 AM

QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Jun 9 2010, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kansas/K-State will wait to see what shakes out and join any power conference that will take them. Iowa State will go to C-USA and Baylor will go to MWC. For Missouri, who the heck knows?


Heard on the radio this morning Kansas is looking at a smaller conference (Mountain West?) where it can put all its sports except basketball which would remain independent.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:35 AM

Saw a great nickname for the proposed Pac-16. The "Surf and Turf" Conference.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE (mabrowndog @ Jun 10 2010, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ESPN's Brian Bennett theorizes the Big Ten wants both Rutgers and Syracuse to gain full control of the NYC collegiate market. His thinking is that this would weaken the Big East enough to force Notre Dame to relent and join as well.

He also wonders if the recent issues with UConn men's hoop will jeopardize their appeal (I doubt it), thinks Pittsburgh isn't in the Big Ten's plans, and implies that WV/S.Fla/Cinci/Louisville will have to go begging for spots in the ACC should the Big East collapse.

One thing I'm left wondering about is how this will affect some of the Big East basketball schools without football: Georgetown, St. John's, Seton Hall, DePaul, etc. They all clearly generate appeal, and they're all in huge TV markets.


The two rumors I've heard are the creation of a Cathoic basketball conference, with Temple going to the MAC, Saint Loius to the MVC, Richmond going to the CAA, Xavier, Dayton and St Joe's going to the CBC, and the smaller schools going to form a one-bid league, leaving UMass and URI completely fucked.

The other is creating a basketball-centric conference where they take Xavier, Dayton, UMass, URI, Richmond and one other school (GW?)...the main sticking point is Temple, because Villanova wants no part of Temple in-conference.

This is all speculative rumor...nothing concrete. The market-size question is important, of course, but it won't be a driving force on the middle-end of the musical chairs. It's not like these schools are going to create conference-centric channels like the Big 10, Pac-10 and SEC have/will.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:41 AM

Also heard Villanova considering going D1 for football and looking to the ACC...

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (Jinhocho @ Jun 10 2010, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also heard Villanova considering going D1 for football and looking to the ACC...


No they aren't. That would be too far down the road.

They would need to increase their capacity of Jack Navin to at least 15,000 and average that many people for two year. So before breaking ground, they would need 2 years, minimum, and the probationary period as a FBS independent.

Not enough time.



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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE (URI @ Jun 10 2010, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No they aren't. That would be too far down the road.

They would need to increase their capacity of Jack Navin to at least 15,000 and average that many people for two year. So before breaking ground, they would need 2 years. Not enough time.


So much for listening to ESPN and Mad Dog radio on the way in this morning...



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