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Red Sox 2010 amateur draft
#51
Posted 05 June 2010 - 10:55 PM
#52
Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:38 AM
You've got too many things on your mind OCD.
#53
Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:31 AM
Certainly true. The terrible two's hit early in my house.
#54
Posted 06 June 2010 - 10:28 AM
Piliere writes, “Teams below the Mets also are getting the feeling that they will not have a shot at O’Conner. If this goes down it would come as quite a surprise to many in the industry. It would likely also save some money for the Mets.”
#55
Posted 06 June 2010 - 10:30 AM
Thanks for the link. Makes me nostalgic forback in the day when Gammo was just about the only one who covered the draft. I used to have his post 94 draft column in a word file some place. He was orgasmic in his praise of the Duke/Britton scouting efforts. Three years later they were evil incarnate in Gammo World. Those kinds of flip flops are always fun in the retro look back.
Two things jumped out at me.
1. The idea that there's no difference between #4 and #40. I've seen in a few places that there's no difference between the Sox pick at #20 and at #39. That's usually been accompanied by the idea that that's a good thing, the draft is at least deep, etc. That opinion - even coming from the insider experts - is largely meaningless. Historically, there has never been a whole of separation in that part of the draft. MLB as an industry can tell #1 from everybody else, can tell #10 from #25, and can tell #30 from #100, but finer gradations than that just don't seem possible.
To me if 39 isn't different than 20 - or more extremely 40 isn't different than 4 - that doesn't say good things about the later picks. It mostly says bad things about the higher picks. Gammons point that it sucks to be the Indians at #5 this year is a good one. I think it also suggests bad things about the draft class as a whole. Players are supposed to differentiate themselves at the top, because teams just aren't that good at separating out similar consensus type players.
I guess a case can be made that the Sox have actually been good at that. Just about all of their good players were drafted in that mushy #20 to #65 (or wherever Pedroia went) area. But I think the best take home from that is that it reinforces the idea that you default to the high risk player in the 20s and 30s. That's always been my bias anyway. I beleive if you start seeing "player X has top 10 talent, but..." and you're drafting in the 20s, you can pretty much ignore the but. Last year I liked guys like Gibson and Sheppers and if Renauda is still at that same talent level, then teams in the 20s would be silly to pass on him.
2. He talked about the top young pitching...
• College first-rounders: David Price, Tim Lincecum, Matt Garza, Ricky Romero, Buchholz (sandwich pick out of junior college).
• High school first-rounders: Kershaw, Rick Porcello, Matt Cain, Phil Hughes, Greinke.
Tommy Hanson was a 22nd-round pick out of junior college; Jon Lester and Brett Anderson were high school second-rounders; Josh Johnson was a high school fourth-rounder; and Felix Hernandez and Ubaldo Jimenez were international free agents.
First, I love that he did the homer thing and had to add Buchholz in. But that's pretty overwhelming towards 1st rd picks. I'm not sure if that's made more recent 1st rd pitchers better bets or is just testament to the idea that no matter how risky those picks are your better off making them for 1-3M than spending 80M on FA pitchers like Lackey.
#56
Posted 07 June 2010 - 07:05 AM
Besides the swap of Taillon and Machado, he has Grandal going 4 to the Royals and O'Connor 7 to the Mets.
Grandal pushes Chris Sale to the Indians at 5, which pushes Choice to the Padres at 9, which pushes Vitek out of the top 10 and Callis says "don't be surprised" if we take him, without quite stating that he thinks he's higher than Ranaudo on our board.
O'Connor pushes Harvey out of the Top 10. The White Sox at 13 will want a college pitcher and I'm unsure whether Boras will scare them off of Harvey. The Brewers might take him at 14 instead of Castellanos (most everybody but Callis has them taking a college pitcher: McGuire, Ranaudo, Woj). If neither happens, there's a real chance he'll be available at 20, too.
The other ripple is that the Cubs at 16 now take Whitson instead of Connor, which leaves the Rays at 17 taking Cole or Skole.
#57
Posted 07 June 2010 - 08:23 AM
Besides the swap of Taillon and Machado, he has Grandal going 4 to the Royals and O'Connor 7 to the Mets.
Grandal pushes Chris Sale to the Indians at 5, which pushes Choice to the Padres at 9, which pushes Vitek out of the top 10 and Callis says "don't be surprised" if we take him, without quite stating that he thinks he's higher than Ranaudo on our board.
O'Connor pushes Harvey out of the Top 10. The White Sox at 13 will want a college pitcher and I'm unsure whether Boras will scare them off of Harvey. The Brewers might take him at 14 instead of Castellanos (most everybody but Callis has them taking a college pitcher: McGuire, Ranaudo, Woj). If neither happens, there's a real chance he'll be available at 20, too.
The other ripple is that the Cubs at 16 now take Whitson instead of Connor, which leaves the Rays at 17 taking Cole or Skole.
If any of Harvey, Ranaudo, and Castellanos are available at 20 and we take Vitek I will be very, very sad.
The real question of the draft, for me, will be if Cox slides due to signability and the other factors you mentioned. Would LOVE to have him available there to us.
#58
Posted 07 June 2010 - 08:59 AM
#59
Posted 07 June 2010 - 09:28 AM
#60
Posted 07 June 2010 - 09:57 AM
The real question of the draft, for me, will be if Cox slides due to signability and the other factors you mentioned. Would LOVE to have him available there to us.
http://www.nctimes.c...432b58c991.html
Vitek probably wont get past the Padres, assuming Choice is not there for them.
Edit: The gammons article says the same thing.
Edited by Gunfighter 09, 07 June 2010 - 10:06 AM.
#61
Posted 07 June 2010 - 09:58 AM
http://insider.espn....tory?id=5259729
#62
Posted 07 June 2010 - 10:27 AM
PROJECTED PICK: Kolbrin Vitek.
Here is BA's final Top 50 ranking published today: http://www.baseballa...g/draft/?p=2249
And since it has worked well for other events, here is a draft tweet grid: http://bit.ly/9ZDXt4
#63
Posted 07 June 2010 - 12:39 PM
Edited by Omar's Wacky Neighbor, 07 June 2010 - 12:42 PM.
#64
Posted 07 June 2010 - 12:51 PM
Sickels has us picking Zack Cox. It's worth pointing out that he's the only one that has him falling that far. In Sickels draft Whitson is still on the board at 20, but gone in the first round, but Matt Harvey and Kaleb Cowart both fall out of the first round in addition to Castellanos and Wilson.
BA has us taking Kolbrin Vitek. BA is the only one of the three that has Vitek falling to 20. BA has Harvey and and Whitson both gone at 20. Christian Colon is available but doesn't make it out of the first round. Cowart does make it out of the first, along with the previously mentioned Ranuado, Castellanos, and Wilson.
All this being said, it would be a surprise if the Sox took signability guys with all three picks, since I don't think they've ever done that. If they do, they could end up with a lot of talent, at a very high price tag.
#65
Posted 07 June 2010 - 12:53 PM
No one wants to pay him what he is asking for and he has another year of college as leverage. Why waste a first round pick on someone who won't sign. Sure you get another one next year but it causes a hole in your system.
#66
Posted 07 June 2010 - 01:07 PM
The name that comes to mind around here for college juniors not signing is Matt Laporta, but he was in a unique situation. He was a top rated guy after his Sophomore season and had an injury ridden Junior year that caused his stock to fall. He went back his senior season to prove his junior year was a fluke.
#67
Posted 07 June 2010 - 01:13 PM
If Grandal somehow drops due to signability and is available at 20, do the Red Sox step up and draft him? And how quickly do people think it will take for him to reach the bigs? Where would he start, AA?
#68
Posted 07 June 2010 - 01:35 PM
If Grandal somehow drops due to signability and is available at 20, do the Red Sox step up and draft him? And how quickly do people think it will take for him to reach the bigs? Where would he start, AA?
Whether they pick him depends on who else is available. I don't doubt that they WOULD pick him if they thought he was the proverbial "best player available" at that time. You can be certain he wouldn't sign until later in the summer, so I think you'd likely see him debut next year in Salem. As for how quick he'd move, the Sox have a number of C prospects they like ahead of him (Wagner, Exposito, Ibarra, Fed-Ex, Lavarnway (if you consider him a catcher)), so absent some trades, he wouldn't necessarily have a clean ascension to Fenway. If he's clearly the best of the lot, they will make room, but it would take time for the pieces to fall into place. Combined with the longer learning time generally required for C, I wouldn't anticipate him arriving before mid-2013 at the earliest. That would give him a year at Hi-A, a year at AA and 1/2 year at AAA.
#69
Posted 07 June 2010 - 01:45 PM
2. Piliere is chatting now, link, Law at 3 pm, link.
3. Mayo's final: 20. Boston Red Sox: Kolbrin Vitek, 2B/OF, Ball St.: Buzz around Anthony Ranaudo persists, but the thinking right now is that he slides by.
Edited by SoxScout, 07 June 2010 - 01:59 PM.
#70
Posted 07 June 2010 - 01:59 PM
My thought as well....I would take him over any of the signability guys that have been mentioned in this thread so far.
#71
Posted 07 June 2010 - 02:03 PM
#72
Posted 07 June 2010 - 02:50 PM
Klaw
(3:17 PM)
White Sox at 13 seem like both his floor and his next most likely destination.
Also of interest:
Klaw
(3:14 PM)
That's one pick I feel pretty good about.
#73
Posted 07 June 2010 - 03:31 PM
Kaleb Cowart (good hitter as well)
Mike Foltynewicz
And perhaps Karsten Whitson if he falls to us.
#74
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:02 PM
Kaleb Cowart (good hitter as well)
Mike Foltynewicz
And perhaps Karsten Whitson if he falls to us.
While that may be true, HS pitchers in general aren't Sox type picks in the first round. Since Theo became GM, the Sox have had 16 picks in the 1st and supplemental rounds (the equivalent of Day 1 this year). Only three of those picks have been used on HS arms - Bowden, Clay and Kelly. Bowden and Clay were both taken in years where they had a surplus of early picks (5 and 4 respectively) and felt they could take a flyer. Both of them appear to be, if not busts, unlikely to live up to their hoped-for potential.
I'd be surprised if they take any HS arm with the three picks they have today, though I guess you never know. The Sox seem to believe, not w/o merit, that HS arms are such a crap shoot, you're better off taking "sure things" (to the extent that term is relevant in the baseball draft context) early on while taking flyers on prep pitchers in the mid to late rounds.
#75
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:08 PM
http://www.weei.com/...d-red-?page=0,0
Edited by seantoo, 07 June 2010 - 04:12 PM.
#76
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:28 PM
Pick: Brett Eibner, OF/RHP, Arkansas
#77
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:28 PM
I'd be surprised if they take any HS arm with the three picks they have today, though I guess you never know. The Sox seem to believe, not w/o merit, that HS arms are such a crap shoot, you're better off taking "sure things" (to the extent that term is relevant in the baseball draft context) early on while taking flyers on prep pitchers in the mid to late rounds.
This may be true, but it just doesn't look like the college talent is there this year. They're pretty happy with the last high school pitcher they took in the first round. I'd be pretty surprised if one of the three picks isn't a high school pitcher.
#78
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:38 PM
Sorry to disappoint, but the three's are worse...
#79
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:39 PM
That's not consistent with past form, but I guess we'll see.
#80
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:51 PM
#81
Posted 07 June 2010 - 04:58 PM
Callis' final final mock: http://ht.ly/1VkiJ
Both have us taking Vitek.
Mayo has Kellin Deglan going in the 1st now, a kid I could see us taking in the supp (particularly if we take one of the expensive fallers at 20)
#82
Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:00 PM
Callis' final final mock: http://ht.ly/1VkiJ
Both have us taking Vitek.
Mayo has Kellin Deglan going in the 1st now, a kid I could see us taking in the supp (particularly if we take one of the expensive fallers at 20)
One of our players played with Deglan on Team Canada. He said he is an incredible defensive catcher but has to work on his hitting. Great character guy as well.
#83
Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:36 PM
#84
Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:54 PM
Yeah, I saw a clip of that guy just now on MLB network and was stunned that he was being tabbed for maybe 4th overall. He looked like our guy Sean Berry throwing lefty. As a non-scout, layman, it was hard to imagine that guy with that motion becoming a rotation anchor for most of a decade at the MLB level.
#85
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:01 PM
| Rnk | Name | BA | KL | BP | Sick | FH | MD | DS | MLB |
| 1 | Bryce Harper, c, JC of Southern Nevada | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | Jameson Taillon, rhp, The Woodlands (Texas) HS | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| 3 | Manny Machado, ss, Brito HS, Miami | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| 4 | Drew Pomeranz, lhp, Ole Miss | 5 | 5 | 11 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5 |
| 5 | Chris Sale, lhp, Florida Gulf Coast | 4 | 10 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 4 |
| 6 | Michael Choice, of, Texas-Arlington | 10 | 11 | 5 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 5 | 8 |
| 7 | Yasmani Grandal, c, Miami | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 25 |
| 8 | Josh Sale, of, Bishop Blanchet HS, Seattle | 8 | 19 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 15 | 11 |
| 9 | Zack Cox, 3b, Arkansas | 7 | 7 | 9 | 20 | 22 | 7 | 9 | 7 |
| 10 | Justin O'Conner, ss/c, Cowan HS, Muncie, Ind. | 16 | 16 | 10 | 7 | 7 | 10 | 18 | 10 |
| 11 | Christian Colon, ss, Cal State Fullerton | 11 | 17 | 25 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 16 | 12 |
| 12 | Karsten Whitson, rhp, Chipley (Fla.) HS | 9 | 22 | 17 | 23 | 16 | 13 | 8 | 9 |
| 13 | Kolbrin Vitek, 2b, Ball State | 20 | 9 | 12 | 15 | 15 | 9 | 19 | 20 |
| 14 | Deck McGuire, rhp, Georgia Tech | 12 | 13 | 16 | 11 | 16 | 12 | 14 | |
| 15 | Barret Loux, rhp, Texas A&M | 6 | 6 | 22 | 23 | 19 | 26 | 6 | |
| 16 | Delino DeShields Jr, 2B, Woodward Academy, McDonough, Georgia | 19 | 8 | 19 | 11 | 17 | 17 | 19 | |
| 17 | Brandon Workman, rhp, Texas | 12 | 15 | 22 | 13 | 21 | 15 | 13 | |
| 18 | Alex Wimmers, rhp, Ohio State | 21 | 21 | 21 | 12 | 12 | 28 | 13 | 21 |
| 19 | Asher Wojciechowski, rhp, The Citadel | 13 | 13 | 15 | 21 | 26 | 22 | 23 | 22 |
| 20 | Matt Harvey, rhp, North Carolina | 14 | 14 | 7 | 25 | 14 | 16 | ||
| 21 | Bryce Brentz, of, Middle Tennessee State | 22 | 24 | 24 | 13 | 21 | 10 | 17 | |
| 22 | Stetson Allie, rhp, St. Edward HS, Lakewood, Ohio | 29 | 26 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 25 | 28 | 24 |
| 23 | Dylan Covey, rhp, Maranatha HS, Pasadena, Calif. | 30 | 18 | 30 | 29 | 18 | 14 | 18 | |
| 24 | Anthony Ranaudo, rhp, Louisiana State | 20 | 14 | 20 | 20 | 20 | |||
| 25 | Jesse Biddle, lhp, Germantown Friends HS, Philadelphia | 27 | 27 | 14 | 14 | 27 | 27 | ||
| 26 | Jake Skole, of, Blessed Trinity HS, Roswell | 15 | 17 | 15 | |||||
| 27 | Nick Castellanos, 3b, Archbishop McCarthy HS, SW Ranches, Fla. | 16 | 24 | 29 | 26 | ||||
| 28 | Reggie Golden, OF, Wetumpka HS, Alabama | 17 | 19 | 30 | |||||
| 29 | Kaleb Cowart, 3b/rhp, Cook HS, Adel, Ga. | 28 | 26 | 29 | 17 | ||||
| 30 | A.J. Cole, rhp, Oviedo (Fla.) HS | 25 | 11 | ||||||
| 31 | Yordy Cabrera, ss, Lakeland (Fla.) HS | 24 | 23 | 24 | 31 | ||||
| 32 | Peter Tago, rhp, Dana Hills HS, Dana Point, Calif. | 18 | 29 | 29 | 30 | 29 | |||
| 33 | Aaron Sanchez, RHP, Barstow HS, California | 23 | 28 | 23 | |||||
| 34 | Brett Eibner, rhp/of, Arkansas | 20 | 31 | 24 | |||||
| 35 | Austin Wilson, of, Harvard-Westlake HS, Los Angeles | 27 | 27 | 22 | |||||
| 36 | Luke Jackson, rhp, Calvary Christian HS, Fort Lauderdale | 23 | 23 | ||||||
| 37 | Mike Kvasnicka, C, University of Minnesota | 31 | 19 | 31 | 31 | ||||
| 38 | Kyle Parker, of, Clemson | 26 | 26 | ||||||
| 39 | Jedd Gyorko, ss, West Virginia | 24 | 32 | 32 | 31 | ||||
| 40 | Kelliin Deglan, C, RE Mountain HS, Langley, British Columbia | 31 | 27 | 28 | |||||
| 41 | Chevez Clarke, of, Marietta (Ga.) HS | 21 | |||||||
| 42 | Sammy Solis, lhp, San Diego | 25 | 30 | ||||||
| 43 | Drew Vettleson, of, Central Kitsap HS, Silverdale, Wash. | 28 | 28 | 32 | |||||
| 44 | Cam Bedrosian, rhp, East Coweta HS, Sharpsburg, Ga. | 30 | 29 | 30 | |||||
| 45 | James Paxton, lhp, Grand Prairie (Independent) | 25 | |||||||
| 46 | Christian Yelich, 1B/OF, Westlake HS (CA) | 32 | 27 | 32 | |||||
| 47 | Kevin Gausman, rhp, Grandview HS, Aurora, Colo. | 26 | |||||||
| 48 | Tyrell Jenkins, RHP, Henderson HS, Texas | 32 | 28 | 32 | |||||
| 49 | Mike Foltynewicz, RHP, Minooka HS, Illinois | 30 | |||||||
| 50 | Tony Wolters, ss, Rancho Buena Vista HS, Vista, Calif. | 31 | |||||||
| 51 | Ryan LeMarre, cf, Virginia | 32 |
#86
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:04 PM
#87
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:05 PM
#88
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:07 PM
#89
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:07 PM
Edited by Snodgrass'Muff, 07 June 2010 - 06:08 PM.
#90
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:08 PM
The numbers are too good to ignore. He was the best pitcher on the Cape, he was ridiculous this season, and he dominated the good competition when he played them. I'd take a bet on the kid.
#91
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:10 PM
#92
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:19 PM
Edited by reggiecleveland, 07 June 2010 - 06:19 PM.
#93
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:20 PM
#94
Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:29 PM
#95
Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:10 AM
Heard the Red Sox are taking Philly-area SS Sean Coyle today and have roughly agreed on parameters of a deal.
#96
Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:10 AM
Kolbrin Vitek, RHH 2B/3B, Ball State. Age 21. Safely projects as an above-average major league bat, while also showing plus potential in the contact department. Average power, above-average speed, and a smart base runner. Likely will play third base as a professional, or potentially center field. In either position, projects to be an above-average defender with a plus arm.
Bryce Brentz, RHH OF, Middle Tennessee State. Age 21. Power-hitting outfielder with above-average all-around tools, projects well as a major league right fielder. Has drawn comparisons to a right-handed version of Nick Markakis.
Anthony Ranaudo, RHP, LSU. Age 20. Considered the second-best overall draft prospect heading into the 2010 season, Ranaudo had a poor showing this season, struggling with arm discomfort, mechanical issues, and command problems. The 6’7” righty still has three major league pitches in a 94 mph fastball, an excellent curveball, and a decent changeup.
Edited by The Gray Eagle, 08 June 2010 - 10:11 AM.
#97
Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:19 AM
#98
Posted 08 June 2010 - 11:53 AM
Pat - I'd like to buy a vowel please.
#99
Posted 08 June 2010 - 12:41 PM
20. RED SOX. The easy assumption is that Boston will get the most talented player who falls here because of signability, which could be Castellanos, Grandal or Ranaudo. But the Red Sox rarely exceed slot in the first round, and may save their big spending for picks No. 36 and 39 in the sandwich round. Slot possibilities include Brentz, Skole, Vitek and Workman.
PROJECTED PICK: Kolbrin Vitek.
So we got 3 of the 4 slot possibilities listed, plus Ranaudo. Damn, Callis is good at his job.
#100
Posted 08 June 2010 - 01:09 PM
Here is the link to learn more.
http://news.soxprosp...round-pick.html
In the third the Sox drafted, SS Sean Coyle, see here;
http://news.soxprosp...with-their.html
In the fourth round the Sox drafted, SS, After taking Sean Coyle with the 110th pick, the Red Sox select another shortstop in Garin Cecchini from Barbe High School with the 143th pick in the fourth round of the 2010 MLB draft. Learn more here, http://news.soxprosp...-in-fourth.html
Edited by seantoo, 08 June 2010 - 01:16 PM.












