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[Mystic Merlin]

Holley - Pats badly want Bryant.

EDIT - Nvm, old news. Posted upthread.

Edited by Mystic Merlin, 22 April 2010 - 03:17 PM.

[Synovia]

When has BB taken a rush end in the first round? I can see him taking a LB in the 2nd and going for BPOTB at #22. Now, if Odrich and Bryant are there then you might have to think about it.

When has BB taken a WR in the first round?

[bowiac]

Wait.

ESPN only became unwatchable since Sports Science? Are you on drugs? There's eleventy badillion other things to hate about ESPN, and SS is the reason?

I actually really like ESPN for the most part. I have it on for about 90% of the time when I'm at home, and it's generally very enjoyable for me.

Sports Science is really annoying though. Insofar as it's still total nonsense, but dressed up as "science" or whatever. If you're gonna give me garbage analysis, then don't dress it up. Just have Herm tell me some nonsense.

[Dick Pole Upside]

Tebow going as high as 15?

http://profootballta...here-hes-going/

In answer to Bowiac's question, it's not just Chad -- add Bethel Johnson.

Last 20 years, Patriot WR's drafted in the 3rd Round or higher (Name/Year Drafted/Round):

• Greg McMurtry/1990/3
• Vincent Brisby/1993/2
• Kevin Lee/1994/2
• Terry Glenn/1996/1
• Tony Simmons/1998/2
• Deion Branch/2002/2
• Bethel Johnson/2003/2
• Chad Jackson/2006/2
• Brandon Tate/2009/3

Doesn't even include the immortal Hart Lee Dykes!

Belichick HCNE era a little shaky...

[RedOctober3829]

[Comment From StuStu: ]
WHo do you think will be the pats 1st round pick?
Thursday April 22, 2010 4:21 Stu
4:22
Albert R. Breer:
Stu, said in today's paper that I thought it'd be Kindle. Still feel that way. But I'm really coming around on Dez Bryant. Hearing they might be willing to take the leap.

[Sille Skrub]

breaking out....

[dynomite]

For the third year in a row, I am giddy that it is time to once again post this video:



Possibly my favorite YouTube video ever, with my favorite exchange being from 1989:

Rozelle: "New York Jets, first round choice... fullback..."

Fan: "OOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO"

Rozelle: "Roger Vick, Texas A&M."

Chris Berman: "Ohh..."

Edited by dynomite, 22 April 2010 - 03:40 PM.

[koufax32]

For some reason I'm pretty geeked about this draft weekend. Large quantities of beverage, Buffalo Wild Wings, good friends, and my wife's homemade razzleberry pie (going in the oven in an hour or so)...

Does this make me a horrible person?

Dynomite, that is absolutely lovely. I heart you.

Edited by koufax32, 22 April 2010 - 03:47 PM.

[RedOctober3829]

Breer also is saying that he think it's "99.9999999999%" that the Patriots make a trade this weekend.

[Mystic Merlin]

MrMichael_Smith: Holmgren doubts Browns can get #1. Also, given their needs and where they're picking, he told me Browns unlikely to take QB early. #NFLDraft

[NickEsasky]

Breer also is saying that he think it's "99.9999999999%" that the Patriots make a trade this weekend.

The Patriots making a draft day trade? Yeah way to go out on a limb.

[Sille Skrub]

Best Twitters/Websites to follow for rumors, info, trades etc?

Thanks.

For Patriots fans, the best follow for the draft is: @realpatriots

Last year, they were announcing the Pats picks and trades before the TV broadcast.

[SoxScout]

For some reason I'm pretty geeked about this draft weekend. Large quantities of beverage, Buffalo Wild Wings, good friends, and my wife's homemade razzleberry pie (going in the oven in an hour or so)...

Does this make me a horrible person?

I'm pumped too, prepping some buffalo chicken dip right now. Got a Bills fan here who is scared to death and yelling "Fuck Tebow" every 15 minutes.

I'm far less concerned about who exactly the Pats are going to pick than in years past. Read up on all the players, like who I like, know the positions I want, but no matter who we draft I know tomorrow we will be in love with the scouting reports, reading about the player's love the game, ect, ect. Can not wait.

[ElcaballitoMVP]

I'm pretty excited too. This has the potential to be an absolutely HUGE draft for the Pats. I'm dying for 7:30 to get here.

[Grunherz54]

<---Redskins fan

I have a difficult time believing Washington will trade up for Bradford or draft Berry at #4. I'm hoping they take Okung or trade down in order to pick up a 2nd or 3rd round pick. They have to address the offensive line.

Edited by Grunherz54, 22 April 2010 - 03:58 PM.

[PC Drunken Friar]

decent blogradio...

http://www.blogtalkr...0-pre-game-show

[RedOctober3829]

NFP

Hearing a Fins/Cowboys trade is very possible...players could be in the deal as well...MArcus Spears and Bobby Carpenter

[axx]

For the third year in a row, I am giddy that it is time to once again post this video:

Possibly my favorite YouTube video ever, with my favorite exchange being from 1989:

Rozelle: "New York Jets, first round choice... fullback..."

Fan: "OOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO"

Rozelle: "Roger Vick, Texas A&M."

Chris Berman: "Ohh..."

My favorite is the Marino one.

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Just got a text from my source. Things could definitely change between now and when they pick, but thinks the Pats are going to take Pouncey or McCourty with their first pick.

Edit: original post said McCourtney. It's McCourty, the CB from Rutgers.

Edited by ElcaballitoMVP, 22 April 2010 - 04:42 PM.

[SoxScout]

Just got a text from my source. Things could definitely change between now and when they pick, but thinks the Pats are going to take Pouncey or McCourtney with their first pick.

New strategy, no pass rush, double coverage on everyone.

[Captaincoop]

From a scouting report on McCourtney:

At 5-11 and 185 pounds, he may not be the biggest corner out there...

This is anathema to a Pats fan who has watched tall wide receivers wreak havoc on the defense for the past five years. But in Bill we trust, I suppose.

Edited by Captaincoop, 22 April 2010 - 04:28 PM.

[Mystic Merlin]

I have no idea what to believe right now.

Various sources have them taking like ten different guys.

[redinchicago]

Just got a text from my source. Things could definitely change between now and when they pick, but thinks the Pats are going to take Pouncey or McCourtney with their first pick.

I don't think there is much of a chance Pouncey lasts that long. Rumor has him possibly going as high as the Broncos and doubt he'd get past the Steelers.

[ElcaballitoMVP]

I'd be alright with McCourtney, so long as they used a couple of those 2nds on DE/OLB prospects.

[gammoseditor]

New strategy, no pass rush, double coverage on everyone.

I have no idea what they're going to do, but do people want them drafting for need? I think they have enough needs that I'd like to see them go best player available. The only position that would be a major disapointment would be QB, which they obviously wouldn't take in the first.

[ElcaballitoMVP]

I don't think there is much of a chance Pouncey lasts that long. Rumor has him possibly going as high as the Broncos and doubt he'd get past the Steelers.

I agree, he'll probably be gone, just passing along what I hear.

I think we could see a couple of really interesting names available at 22 that no one expects. After the first 8-10 picks, we could see a lot of picks that people didn't see coming.

[Mystic Merlin]

I have no idea what they're going to do, but do people want them drafting for need? I think they have enough needs that I'd like to see them go best player available. The only position that would be a major disapointment would be QB, which they obviously wouldn't take in the first.

I agree. They have more pressing needs than high picks, so they're better off trading down or going BPA.

It's not like having another CB would hurt, especially since Springs wasn't very good last year.

[Otis Foster]

I'd be alright with McCourtney, so long as they used a couple of those 2nds on DE/OLB prospects.

Is it McCourtney or McCourty? http://www.cbssports...w;pageContainer

Guess it doesn't matter. Either way, he's another undersized db.

No offense, Elcab, but I hope you're dead wrong on this.

[Grunherz54]

From PFT: Vikings in "Hot Pursuit" of Haynesworth

[Mystic Merlin]

How is McCourty undersized?

He's 5'11" 193.

[Ed Hillel]

No fucking CB and no fucking TE. NO NO NO NO NO.

[SoxScout]

McCourty: Slightly faster, slightly less athletic Darius Butler.

[CaptainLaddie]

I remember during the SB vs the Rams, there's footage of Romeo on the sideline yelling at his defensive players, "RUSHERS! I need RUSHERS!"

Can we please have Romeo yell this at Bill?

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Is it McCourtney or McCourty? http://www.cbssports...w;pageContainer

Guess it doesn't matter. Either way, he's another undersized db.

No offense, Elcab, but I hope you're dead wrong on this.

Shit, sorry guys. It's McCourty. Didn't read the text close enough and rushed to post here.

Edit: I hope I'm wrong too. I'd rather go in a couple different directions, but that's what I was told.

Edited by ElcaballitoMVP, 22 April 2010 - 04:43 PM.

[Mystic Merlin]

I remember during the SB vs the Rams, there's footage of Romeo on the sideline yelling at his defensive players, "RUSHERS! I need RUSHERS!"

Can we please have Romeo yell this at Bill?

We're allowed to take OLB/DE in the second round right?

To me, the only great fit at this spot at 22 in terms of value and suitability to the 3-4 is Jerry Hughes.

EDIT - I have a bit of a thing for Ryan Matthews at the moment.

Edited by Mystic Merlin, 22 April 2010 - 04:41 PM.

[Shelterdog]

McCourty: Slightly faster, slightly less athletic Darius Butler.

I don't see how McCourty makes sense unless he's a starter from day one.

[E5 Yaz]

We're allowed to take OLB/DE in the second round right?

Unless Tebow's available

[CaptainLaddie]

NFL Network doing interview w/ BB right now.

[Otis Foster]

How is McCourty undersized?

He's 5'11" 193.

Cromartie: 6'2". Champ Bailey: 6.0". Leigh Bodden: 6'1". Ike Taylor: 6'2". McCourty: somewhere between 5'10" and 5'11", depending on source. He's not a giant at that height.

I don't want them to draft crap based purely on need, and never hinted I did, so that's a red herring, but all indications are that there will be significant talent to fill other priorities. As it is, they have Bodden, Butler, Wheatley, Wilhite, Springs at CB. I'm sure additional talent would be nice, but in preference to other areas?

[SoxScout]

Jaws: "I would want my daughter to marry Tim Tebow, but I wouldn't want my son-in-law to be my quarterback."

Awesome line.

[Mystic Merlin]

Cromartie: 6'2". Champ Bailey: 6.0". Leigh Bodden: 6'1". Ike Taylor: 6'2". McCourty: somewhere between 5'10" and 5'11", depending on source. He's not a giant at that height.

I don't want them to draft crap based purely on need, and never hinted I did, so that's a red herring, but all indications are that there will be significant talent to fill other priorities. As it is, they have Bodden, Butler, Wheatley, Wilhite, Springs at CB. I'm sure additional talent would be nice, but in preference to other areas?

Wheatley, Wilhite, and Spring are arguably not that good. Simply having guys at those spots isn't going to convince me it's not as much a'need' as DL or OL or RB or OLB/DE.

Personally, I don't see a lot of difference in the players from 20 or so through 50, so I'd almost prefer they trade down if they miss out on Jerry Hughes (who might be a cut above comparable talents at 22).

EDIT - Note: I'm not sure I ever said you wanted them to draft based purely on need?

Edited by Mystic Merlin, 22 April 2010 - 04:54 PM.

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Dez Bryant's interview on ESPN didn't impress me. Although I will admit red flags go off for me when guys start talking about themselves in the 3rd person.

[j44thor]

Cromartie: 6'2". Champ Bailey: 6.0". Leigh Bodden: 6'1". Ike Taylor: 6'2". McCourty: somewhere between 5'10" and 5'11", depending on source. He's not a giant at that height.

I don't want them to draft crap based purely on need, and never hinted I did, so that's a red herring, but all indications are that there will be significant talent to fill other priorities. As it is, they have Bodden, Butler, Wheatley, Wilhite, Springs at CB. I'm sure additional talent would be nice, but in preference to other areas?

Darrelle Revis 5'11''
Antoine Winfield 5' 9''
Asante Samuel 5' 10''

Would they be tall enough for you? Height is nice but I'll take the guy that can cover, has great change of direction, can tackle a bit and high point the ball over a couple inches.

[Freddy Linn]

PFT now has the Browns offering most of their draft picks this year and some next year for #1/Bradford.

Link

Edited by Freddy Linn, 22 April 2010 - 05:01 PM.

[RedOctober3829]

PFT now has the Browns offering most of their draft picks this year and some next year for #1/Bradford.

Link

ESPN said that Holmgren plans to call the Rams one more time about a trade for #1.

[BigSoxFan]

PFT now has the Browns offering most of their draft picks this year and some next year for #1/Bradford.

Link

This just doesn't make sense to me. The Browns are so devoid of talent that even if Bradford is as good as they think, they wouldn't be able to surround him with enough talent to optimize his skills.

[RedOctober3829]

Tom E. Curran Twitter

Ryan Mathews, the Fresno running back. Comes from a good source. Still think safest pick is Odrick. Stay with us tonight for big fun

[Otis Foster]

Wheatley, Wilhite, and Spring are arguably not that good. Simply having guys at those spots isn't going to convince me it's not as much a'need' as DL or OL or RB or OLB/DE.

Personally, I don't see a lot of difference in the players from 20 or so through 50, so I'd almost prefer they trade down if they miss out on Jerry Hughes (who might be a cut above comparable talents at 22).

EDIT - Note: I'm not sure I ever said you wanted them to draft based purely on need?

gammoserditor posed it as a rhetorical question, suggesting that anyone unhappy with McCourty or Pouncey was pushing draft for need. My post was triggered by his comment that you agreed with.

Anyway, Wheatley has been in Purgatory, so it's hard to see what he might do. Wilhite wasn't great, and sure they could stand some improvement, but the OLB/DE situation and lack of pressure is pretty dire, and if there's similar quality available at 22, I think we should go there. If it's a drop-off in quality - pretty big 'if' based on some of the speculation - then sure, go to Plan B.

[CaptainLaddie]

CJ Spiller comes off as really humble. I like him.

[j44thor]

gammoserditor posed it as a rhetorical question, suggesting that anyone unhappy with McCourty or Pouncey was pushing draft for need. My post was triggered by his comment that you agreed with.

Anyway, Wheatley has been in Purgatory, so it's hard to see what he might do. Wilhite wasn't great, and sure they could stand some improvement, but the OLB/DE situation and lack of pressure is pretty dire, and if there's similar quality available at 22, I think we should go there. If it's a drop-off in quality - pretty big 'if' based on some of the speculation - then sure, go to Plan B.

One thing to take into consideration is the depth of the DE/OLB group compared to the secondary group. If the Pats feel secondary is an area of need it might make sense to grab that first since the DE/OLB group is so deep you might be able to get close to the same player in the 2nd as you would in the 1st compared to CB where you are probably looking at a significant drop off between the players available.