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[Marciano490]

Fellas, fellas, we're talking one-hitter quitters here. Those were beautiful punches, but Duran went down from an accumulation of shots.



I remember Richie dropping an Olympic prospect with one punch, too, but can't find the clip.

[BGrif21125]

Fellas, fellas, we're talking one-hitter quitters here. Those were beautiful punches, but Duran went down from an accumulation of shots.

So Frazier's most famous landed left hook and Hearns' most famous right cross don't rate? Geez, you're a tough sell.

[Marciano490]

I mean, they're great punches, but I was talking about the most famous/dramatic/best one-punch knockouts. Frazier's wasn't a knockout, and Hearns' wasn't a one-puncher. Didn't Dempsey put Sharkey down with one punch when Sailor Jack was complaining to the ref about a low-blow? And, I'd put Hopkins' liver punch knockout of de la Hoya up there too.



Well, I guess he technically hooked off the jab, but I'd count it as a one-punch knockout.

[Infield Infidel]

I've always liked Roy Jones body shot against Virgil Hill. This fight was pretty hyped and the end was so sudden

Edited by Infield Infidel, 11 December 2012 - 12:50 AM.

[Marciano490]

Now that was beautiful. The Hopkins punch always seemed like it shouldn't have had quite the effect on DLH it evidentally did, but that body shot looked devastating.

[DannyDarwinism]

The left to the chin that preceded it helped put him down, but Tyson's right to Spinks's gut always stood out as a particularly vicious body shot. As far as the one-and-done, no love for Hasim Rahman's right to floor Lewis?

[Marciano490]

Thanks - that's the other heavyweight fight I was trying to remember. Rahman got a bum rap in the rematch; he started out alright but faded fast. The background story is that apparently Lewis' people tricked him into accepting a date that fell during Ramadan, and he didn't realize until training camp started. At that point, he refused to ask for a reschedule. I can't imagine how hard it'd be to go through a championship fight after fasting all day.

[inter tatters]

Dan Rafael on ESPN was asked about where the Marquez KO stood and said that, while he liked it, it wasn't close to the Sergio Martinez on Paul Williams one or even the one Pacqiao himself landed on Ricky Hatton 2 years ago.

I had another look at the latter of those and I'd forgotten just how brutal that one actually was - I live near Ricky's hometown of Manchester in the UK and was a huge 'Hitman' fan so forgive me.

[BGrif21125]

Dan Rafael on ESPN was asked about where the Marquez KO stood and said that, while he liked it, it wasn't close to the Sergio Martinez on Paul Williams one or even the one Pacqiao himself landed on Ricky Hatton 2 years ago.

I had another look at the latter of those and I'd forgotten just how brutal that one actually was - I live near Ricky's hometown of Manchester in the UK and was a huge 'Hitman' fan so forgive me.

When Pacquiao KO'd Hatton, there was a 20-30 second period when I thought Hatton might be dead, or at the very least seriously, seriously hurt.

Ring deaths or life-altering head injuries rarely occur from one-punch KOs, it's almost always sustained beatings that occur over multiple rounds... but it was still a scary moment.

[Marciano490]

Stood in terms of what? The Hatton knockout was undoubtedly more brutal, but nobody really expected Hatton to challenge Pacquiao, and nobody will remember Hatton 50 years from now, so I wouldn't say it's as historically important a knockout. But, if we're just going in terms of "damn, that dude just got knocked the f out," then the Hatton KO is up there, just like the Berbick and Judah happy feet knockouts.

[Deathofthebambino]

Putting aside everything else, I don't think anyone ever had more 1 punch knockouts than Mike Tyson. This is one of many videos where someone tries to put together a top ten list of exactly that. What's amazing is the ferocity in which he could throw his left and his right and how many one-timers he got with each of them in his career. The two that stick out to me the most in this video is the one that's ranked first, can't tell who he is fighting, but that might be the cleanest, most devastating right hand ever landed on anyone, and the one punch he landed on Carl "The Truth."

Edited by Deathofthebambino, 13 December 2012 - 03:38 PM.

[BGrif21125]

Tomorrow night will be Larry Merchant's final telecast at ringside for HBO.

Say what you want about Merchant, but he always called it like he saw it and didn't care who he pissed off in the process. And that honesty will be missed.

Kellerman is a very smart guy, but he lacks Merchant's brutal honesty, and I worry that HBO telecasts with Max and Lampley (who is a trainwreck at this point) are going to become HBO cheerleading competitions.

Regardless, the end of an era. Merchant at HBO pre-dates my birth and it's hard to imagine watching a huge fight (like this past Saturday) without him ringside.

[Marciano490]

I agree with you on Merchant. He's probably my favorite broadcaster in any sport. Honest, insightful, and can be downright poetic, even if not altogether lucid nowadays.

As for Tyson, he threw this wicked combination we used to work on the mitts all the time - right hook to the liver or floating ribs, followed by a right uppercut. It's just a brutal combination - the body shot gets the head coming down, the uppercut catches the chin as the hands fall to the waist. And, it worked so well with his pendulum movement, he was perfectly set up for the hook when bobbing right.

[ElUno20]

Great job by Larry and Jim completely shitting on Marquez's win by implying PEDs played a role. When Manny goes from a stick figure to jumping through weight classes, packing on muscles and his HEAD (barry bonds style) getting larger not a peep. He gets knocked out (PED test came back clean for both him and Manny) and they want to taint JMM's win.

Come on HBO. He fought a ton of crappy fights on PPV for 6 years and made you a ton of money. But the ride is over.

Showtime with the better card tonight, again.

[FelixMantilla]

http://www.nytimes.c...=Hector_Camacho

[Marciano490]

Anybody see Golovkin fight? I was really looking forward to watching him in action, but he was not that impressive. His defense is suspect and his hand speed is average. His big selling point is supposed to be his power, but he was unable to put down a puffed up jr. middleweight. HBO sure seems all in on him though, making ridiculous Tyson comparisons, and then being sure to cut to him in the locker room post fight, so we could hear him tell his parents he'd been suffering with the flu.

[BGrif21125]

Anybody see Golovkin fight? I was really looking forward to watching him in action, but he was not that impressive. His defense is suspect and his hand speed is average. His big selling point is supposed to be his power, but he was unable to put down a puffed up jr. middleweight. HBO sure seems all in on him though, making ridiculous Tyson comparisons, and then being sure to cut to him in the locker room post fight, so we could hear him tell his parents he'd been suffering with the flu.

I think Golovkin is an intriguing guy, but HBO is so desperate to manufacture stars that you have to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

As you alluded to, can Kellerman at least hold off the ridiculous Tyson comparisons until after Golovkin knocks out one top opponent?

Golovkin could be the next middleweight champ, or he could be the next Edison Miranda (remember when he was HBO's "most feared middleweight" once upon a time?).

[VORP Speed]

All the buzz around the PED story out of Miami is around MLB and Arod, but for fight fans, I think it's interesting that Yuriorkis Gamboa was one of the guys named. I think as a fighter you'd almost have to be crazy not to be on some sort of PED program, as it's not just about stats and money, but about defending yourself from serious injury. Would you go into battle with a pistol if you knew the other guy might be packing an assault rifle? Boxing is such a disorganized mess that I don't know what there is realistically to be done about it, and I'm not advocating for anything to be done really, I just think it's an interesting angle on where the sport is today.

[ElUno20]

I think Golovkin is an intriguing guy, but HBO is so desperate to manufacture stars that you have to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

As you alluded to, can Kellerman at least hold off the ridiculous Tyson comparisons until after Golovkin knocks out one top opponent?

Golovkin could be the next middleweight champ, or he could be the next Edison Miranda (remember when he was HBO's "most feared middleweight" once upon a time?).

 

 

That's a great comparison (miranda). He got put in with somebody with (as hopkins would say) a little bit of 'slickness' and looked unimpressive.

 

All the buzz around the PED story out of Miami is around MLB and Arod, but for fight fans, I think it's interesting that Yuriorkis Gamboa was one of the guys named.

 

Gamboa needs steroids for his chin.

[VORP Speed]

 

 
 
Gamboa needs steroids for his chin.

Ha. Can't fake a chin.

[BGrif21125]

Boxing is such a disorganized mess that I don't know what there is realistically to be done about it, and I'm not advocating for anything to be done really

Absolutely, if there's any sport that has no chance of effectively policing itself, it's boxing. There is no central authority, or league, and the powers that be can't even handle simple things like appointing competent judges, getting the best fighters to fight each other, getting fighters to make agreed-upon weights, etc.

Edited by BGrif21125, 30 January 2013 - 08:20 AM.

[ElUno20]

Donaire v. Rigo signed and set for April

[Marciano490]

Finally saw the Trout-Cotto fight. I had it pretty even going into the finally rounds, all of which I gave to Trout as Cotto ran out of gas. I was a little surprised by the judges' scorecards giving Trout such a huge margin of victory. He's a nice fighter, but not superlative in any category. Still, Showtime was ball washing the hell out of him. I've never noticed the networks pimping fighters with such prejudice before these last few fights. Has it gotten more egregious, or have I just been missing it?

[ElUno20]

YouTube search "Jim lampley manny pacquiao bang"

Trout,btw, is a scary dude. He dwarfed Cotto but Cotto kept bringing it. which is why I love cotto. true throwback fighter. Never scared even when outgunned.

Edited by ElUno20, 06 February 2013 - 12:43 AM.

[ElUno20]

There's a sick rumor spreading that mayweather will be fighting Devon Alexander in May. Sad sick rumor

[inter tatters]

There's a sick rumor spreading that mayweather will be fighting Devon Alexander in May. Sad sick rumor

This is causing a serious ruckus in the UK, as Alexander has a signed contract for a mandatory defence against England's Kell Brook in 2 weeks time and has pulled out due to an 'injury' - for the 2nd time I might add - then Mayweather tweets later that night that Alexander is the favourite to face him?

 

2 issues here 1) You have to request an exemption from your mandatory within 90 days of your last fight, which considering Alexander's last fight was Oct 20th, he's missed - and the IBF have said they won't allow a unification BTW.  2) Golden Boy are trying to spread their net of fighters into the UK, pulling a stunt like this against one of the UK's best fighters ain't gonna help that one bit!

 

http://www.sportingl...ather-ruled-out

Edited by inter tatters, 08 February 2013 - 06:54 AM.

[shawnrbu]

Floyd Mayweather has jumped ship to Showtime/CBS for a six fight deal over a 30 month term.  First fight is scheduled for May 4th against Robert Guerrero.  Considering Floyd will be 36 this year and has fought six times in the past six years, it will be amazing if he actually fights six times over a two and a half year span.

[ElUno20]

First thoughts when I heard this, no way May fight six times in 30 months. But it is good for boxing though. Creates some serious competition now between hbo and Showtime. Look for Broner's "development" (I personally think he's fully developed and should be at 147) to be sped up. And look for some serious pot shotting at Floyd from the hbo crew.

[shawnrbu]

Got a toe to toe war developing on HBO.

[shawnrbu]

Bradley was out on his feet in the 1st, 2nd, 6th and 12th Rounds.  Amazing that he lasted the whole fight. 

[ElUno20]

He just put his career back on track. Tough fight. Ton of heart

[BoredViewer]

Bradley v. Provodnikov

 

Definitely worth catching the replay if you didn't see that one live.  Very Rocky-esque vibe.

[Stu Nahan]

Bradley v. Provodnikov
 
Definitely worth catching the replay if you didn't see that one live.  Very Rocky-esque vibe.

What a great fight that was last night. It's being replayed on HBO at 10:30 this morning for those who missed it.

[BoredViewer]

I think it was the right decision.  I saw Bradley with a narrow victory.

[PrestonBroadus Lives]

Trout v. Canelo on Showtime has been a real good scrap through 7. Tune in if you can (or set a reminder for the replay).

[BGrif21125]

I thought it was a real close fight with a bunch of close rounds. Factoring in the knockdown, the scorecards should have been 114-113 either way, with 115-112 being the wide end of the spectrum. That 118-109 card is a joke.<br /><br />Great night for boxing though. 40,000 fans, a great atmosphere, and an entertaining fight.<br /><br />EDIT: Trout admitting he was clearly beat. Classy guy. Maybe the fight wasn't as close as I saw it?

Edited by BGrif21125, 20 April 2013 - 11:10 PM.

[IHateDaveKerpen]

Any of you checked out Matt McGrain's list of the 100 greatest fighters of all time?  "Labor of love" doesn't quite do it justice...

 

http://www.boxing.co...one_100_91.html

[Marciano490]

Mayweather needs to adjust.  Guerrero took the first two.

 

Edit:  Good work by PBF in R3.  Guerrero needs to keep counterpunching off Floyd's lead right.

Edited by Marciano490, 04 May 2013 - 11:11 PM.

[BoredViewer]

Zzzzzz.... this is basically every Mayweather fight I've ever seen.  

 

The only good one will be the one he loses.

[Marciano490]

I thought, after the first 3-4 rounds, this was the best he's looked in awhile.  Just a master class.  And you can't say he didn't engage, except for R12.

[BoredViewer]

Yeah.  He's still just too quick for the guys he's fighting... and he doesn't put himself at risk.

[Marciano490]

What does that mean, put himself at risk?  He was landing 60% of his power shots, what's he supposed to do?  It's like saying Buchholz doesn't put himself at risk because he strikes out too may batters.

[chester]

What does that mean, put himself at risk?  He was landing 60% of his power shots, what's he supposed to do?  It's like saying Buchholz doesn't put himself at risk because he strikes out too may batters.

Thank you.  People just want to see him get hit.  Guess what?  That rarely happens and when it does it is minor and that is what makes Pretty Boy one of the best of all time.  His ability to make the other fighter miss is unparalleled and is a part of boxing whether the people booing in the crowd like it or not. 

[Scoops Bolling]

Thank you.  People just want to see him get hit.  Guess what?  That rarely happens and when it does it is minor and that is what makes Pretty Boy one of the best of all time.  His ability to make the other fighter miss is unparalleled and is a part of boxing whether the people booing in the crowd like it or not. 

I agree, and this is one of the things about FW that makes me enjoy watching him fight more than almost any other boxer today, but at the same time, this was never a matchup that ever struck me as a bout that FW would lose. In terms of "putting himself at risk", I wish that FW would actually take some more risks, both in terms of weight class (where the last time I feel like he took a serious risk was against Marquez, where his contract apparently allowed him to end up outweighing Marquez substantially without much penalty) and in pure skill, where it's true that there are few fighters that can realistically match up against him, but I still feel like he's too busy protecting his perfect record to take many risks. I mean, entering tonight, what did you think his odds of winning were? 70%? Better than that? As much as I understand it, I don't feel like he's taken many risks as a fighter in the last few years.

Edited by Scoops Bolling, 05 May 2013 - 12:23 AM.

[kenneycb]

This was the first Money fight I've watched in a while and my god he is just absurdly slippery. I commented that his cutman didn't really have anything to do all night because all the shots were either missing, to his arms or to his back when Guerrero tied up.

If he doesn't win the Norris Trophy I will be gravely disappointed.

[Marciano490]

I agree, and this is one of the things about FW that makes me enjoy watching him fight more than almost any other boxer today, but at the same time, this was never a matchup that ever struck me as a bout that FW would lose. In terms of "putting himself at risk", I wish that FW would actually take some more risks, both in terms of weight class (where the last time I feel like he took a serious risk was against Marquez, where his contract apparently allowed him to end up outweighing Marquez substantially without much penalty) and in pure skill, where it's true that there are few fighters that can realistically match up against him, but I still feel like he's too busy protecting his perfect record to take many risks. I mean, entering tonight, what did you think his odds of winning were? 70%? Better than that? As much as I understand it, I don't feel like he's taken many risks as a fighter in the last few years.

 

It's fairer to criticize his fight selection than his style in the ring, but who would you realistically like to see him fight at this point?  Pacquiao would have to win two fights now in order to get back in the conversation.  Canelo doesn't have the defense to withstand Floyd, and I don't think he'll look too good against him either.  Devon and Bradley are faster than Canelo, but they're basically Floyd-lite, and wouldn't stand a chance.  I don't think he'll fight Ishe, as he reps him.  He could fight JMM again, but nobody would give him credit for beating a 40 year old Marquez for a second time.  Berto is good, but would he get love for beating a guy who got beat up by Guerrero at this point?

 

Unless you expect him to move up to 160 at age 36 and fight Golovkin, there's just nobody out there.

[BoredViewer]

The criticism revolves around the entertainment value.  Paired with his skills, it's insanely effective... and pretty dull.

 

His fights always feel like a good 12-0 defensive struggle in the NFL -- with the 0 barely ever making it across the 50 yd line on offense.  Sure... there is appeal there to a certain crowd - but I think most would rather watch a 35-31 game (including the vast majority of the most intellectual/hardcore NFL fans).

[kenneycb]

Which is why I'm amazed he's able to get as big of crowds and as big of an interest. His fights are never slugfests but yet people still keep coming, which likely talks to his abilities as a marketer than anything else.

[Marciano490]

For me, he's captivating not just because of his technical skill, but because there's always a sense during his fights that he's in complete control and can do whatever he wants at any given time.  I saw Pedro pitch in the '99 ASG, and it's the same feel.  This imminent sense that something's going to happen and that he can ratchet up whatever he needs to win.

[Judge Mental13]

For me, he's captivating not just because of his technical skill, but because there's always a sense during his fights that he's in complete control and can do whatever he wants at any given time. 

 

......except knock anyone out

 

Hell, I'd be happy with a knock-down at this point.  Mayweather fights are fun to watch for about 3-4 rounds and then by like round 6 whoever Mayweather's fighting suddenly looks like Rocky chasing the chicken, except the chicken is counter-punching.

 

From a boxing standpoint it is impossible to ignore Mayweather.  He's a once in a lifetime talent, we're talking Tiger/Federer type success, but watching the best fighter of our generation and possibly one of the greatest fighters of all time win 12 round decision after 12 round decision is just bleeding the entire sport dry of interest.

 

It's a shame too, a fighter like Floyd should be celebrated.  Setting aside the fact that he's a domestic abuser (hell, so was Tyson, but the difference is Tyson knocked people out in the first round) his boxing ability is otherworldly, but rather than be recognized that way he will probably go down as just another great fighter from the era when boxing died.