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[BoredViewer]

Whoa! Mayweather got rocked!

[BoredViewer]

Mayweather barely hanging on....

[Sille Skrub]

Sugar Shane!

[BoredViewer]

Mosley absolutely bombed Mayweather twice in the 2nd round... don't know how he stayed on his feet.

[Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye]

Holy shit I jumped out of my chair! Awesome start Sugar Shane!

[FelixMantilla]

Huge 2nd round for Mosley. But I think Mayweather had recovered somewhat by the end of the round.

[FelixMantilla]

3rd and 4th rounds for Mayweather.

[BoredViewer]

Well.. Mayweather looks in control in rounds 3 and 4. Speed kills.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Most of the streams are dead except this one: http://www.perufloro...pn-en-vivo.html

[SumnerH]

Well.. Mayweather looks in control in rounds 3 and 4. Speed kills.

This is why non-KO boxing sucks. Mayweather's the only one who's really been in trouble all fight, but he's probably ahead 3-1. Hoping for some big hits. They should allow a round like the second to be a much bigger point difference than 10-9. Of course, that'd just make the judges more corrupt. :/

Edited by SumnerH, 01 May 2010 - 10:59 PM.

[BoredViewer]

Mosley looking like a 38 year old boxer now.

[FelixMantilla]

Ut oh, just lost my feed after round 6.

[BoredViewer]

many feeds... sopcast rarely goes down.

http://www.myp2p.eu/...amp;part=sports

[Hambone]

Ut oh, just lost my feed after round 6.

Anyone with sopcast capability can PM me for a link - Mine's still going strong....for now.

[Rocco Graziosa]

Man I'm glad I stole this off the internet and didn't pay for it. These guys have thrown about ten punches all night long. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ElcaballitoMVP]

This is why non-KO boxing sucks. Mayweather's the only one who's really been in trouble all fight, but he's probably ahead 3-1. Hoping for some big hits. They should allow a round like the second to be a much bigger point difference than 10-9. Of course, that'd just make the judges more corrupt. :/

ESPN had the 2nd round as 10-8, FWIW

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Lots of trash talking going on right now. Sugar Shane somehow more interested in talking than protecting himself

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Thanks for the link, BTW. Much appreciated.

[SumnerH]

ESPN had the 2nd round as 10-8, FWIW

Yeah, I saw. Complaint still stands, though; a dominant round even without a knockdown should be able to put up a 10-2. 10-9s and 10-8s should be reserved for when it's really hard to tell who won a round. Make fighers go for dominance, not just whittle for a slight edge.

Of course, in practice that can't fly since the judges aren't able to pull it off rationally--and that's the real problem. Any sport or "sport" that relies on judging, from boxing to figure skating, is always going to be unsatisfying. Boxing at least has the KO possibilities to eliminate the judging.

Edited by SumnerH, 01 May 2010 - 11:11 PM.

[BoredViewer]

Yeah, I saw. Complaint still stands, though; a dominant round even without a knockdown should be able to put up a 10-2. 10-9s and 10-8s should be reserved for when it's really hard to tell who won a round. Make fighers go for dominance, not just whittle for a slight edge.

Of course, in practice that can't fly since the judges aren't able to pull it off rationally--and that's the real problem. Any sport or "sport" that relies on judging, from boxing to figure skating, is always going to be unsatisfying. Boxing at least has the KO possibilities to eliminate the judging.

Mayweather doesn't just have a slight edge in this fight. Mosley came out fast, but has quickly run out of gas.

I agree though, shouldn't take a knockdown to make a 10-8 round.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Mayweather doesn't just have a slight edge in this fight. Mosley came out fast, but has quickly run out of gas.

I agree though, shouldn't take a knockdown to make a 10-8 round.

But even a 10-8 round won't make a bit of difference. Shane had a good run but is completely overmatched here.

No less than a Pacman v. Mayweather will do for the next year or two.

[SumnerH]

Mayweather doesn't just have a slight edge in this fight. Mosley came out fast, but has quickly run out of gas.

Yeah. My friend's writing for ESPN, his last update was pretty accurate: "Mayweather's ability to remain rooted in front of his opponent, but just twist his head or body slightly to avoid a punch, and then come back with an accurate counter, is outstanding."

[FelixMantilla]

I feel bad for Mosley. He has been totally outclassed tonight. Shocking really.

[Rocco Graziosa]

Wow, this is horrible. The boos are coming out now. What a terrible terrible fight. Mayweather may be the best but watching his fights is about as fun as watching a 114-87 NBA game. Who gives a shit?

[BoredViewer]

Mosley just missed that overhand by about 3 feet.

[Rocco Graziosa]

I feel HORRIBLE for those that paid for this PPV or to watch it live. What a fucking joke.

[SumnerH]

Shane's gotta know it's KO or lose, right?

[Rocco Graziosa]

Shane's gotta know it's KO or lose, right?

I don't think he gives a shit. I'm suprised there are people still at the arena.

Edit: And more boos come after the last bell. This was a fleecing of the American public.

Edited by Rocco Graziosa, 01 May 2010 - 11:24 PM.

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Mosely was just outclassed tonight. We need that Mayweather-Pacquiao fight bad

[BoredViewer]

Aside from the unexpected shots in the 2nd round... this was exactly as predicted.

[bsj]

was pulling for mosely but not close

[Caspir]

Floyd's the man, nobody is fucking with him in the ring.

[shawnrbu]

I feel HORRIBLE for those that paid for this PPV or to watch it live. What a fucking joke.

It's a given that Mayweather fights are going to be dull. He shows little desire to finish a fight. The amazing thing is the public continues to shell out this kind of money to see him fight. There's no doubt he is a fantastic boxer. It's just not very entertaining over 12 rounds.

Edited by shawnrbu, 01 May 2010 - 11:30 PM.

[Rocco Graziosa]

It's a given that Mayweather fights are going to be dull. He shows little desire to finish a fight. The amazing thing is the public continues to shell out this kind of money to see him fight. There's no doubt he is a fantastic boxer. It's just not very entertaining over 12 rounds.

There is just absolutely nothing "fun" about his fights. He's a GREAT boxer. Fine. But what the fuck is fun about watching two guys stand with their hands at their heads while Mayweather destroys his opponent with fairly harmless/relentless jabs at his forehead and tummy? Mosley got killed tonight..........save for a two punch combination in the second round he wasn't even competitive...........and he wasn't once hurt or in danger of going down. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Floyd proved tonight that he is simply on another level. Shane Mosely is a great fighter, and to see him outclassed to the degree he was tonight is simply jaw-dropping. No, it doesn't make for a spectacular fight, I guess. But to me, that was like watching a great pitcher throw a no-hitter. You just have to sit back and admire talent in action.

All I can say right now is, congratulations to Mayweather. He finally faced a real test in the ring and passed it almost effortlessly.

[BGrif21125]

That was as I expected, by and large. I thought going in that Mosley would have his moments but get thoroughly outboxed otherwise.

Floyd did seem legitimately wobbled in Round 2, but he did a good job of holding on and keeping his composure. Yes, Mosley did look his age, but I've always felt that even a prime Mosley would lose to Mayweather, so I can't just chalk up the one-sidedness of this fight to Mosley being 38 years old.

Regarding the criticisms of Mayweather... On one hand, I've got no problem with it at all. When you talk as much as shit as Floyd does to hype himself, then you leave yourself open for criticism. I find his personalty to be incredibly annoying for the most part. Is he a go-for-broke fighter? No, definitely not. Does he sound ridiculous when he says he's greater than Robinson and Ali? Yes, of course.

OTOH, I think plenty of people let their dislike of Floyd's personality and style cloud their judgement when assessing his fights. He's an incredibly skilled and dedicated fighter who is always prepared and in spectacular condition. He didn't run in circles and throw pitter-pat punches all night. He stood flat-footed in front of Mosley for 12 rounds and actually walked Shane down. Floyd was throwing sharp, crisp, hard punches. It's no surprise he couldn't KO Mosley, because Shane has a legendary chin. Is it Floyd's fault that he's so good that he could stand right in front of Mosley and still not get hit with a single clean punch for the last 10 rounds? Was he supposed to put his hands down and let Shane hit him in the face?

[BoredViewer]

There is just absolutely nothing "fun" about his fights. He's a GREAT boxer. Fine. But what the fuck is fun about watching two guys stand with their hands at their heads while Mayweather destroys his opponent with fairly harmless/relentless jabs at his forehead and tummy? Mosley got killed tonight..........save for a two punch combination in the second round he wasn't even competitive...........and he wasn't once hurt or in danger of going down. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I disagree... I don't find Mayweather's performances boring. However, he needs to fight Pacman. One thing Mayweather does lack are any signature victories over top opponents in their prime... (I don't count Hatton).

Mosley did get destroyed after the 2nd round, but I also disagree that Mayweather was never in danger of going down. He looked wobbled and glassy-eyed for a minute to me. I think if he hadn't been able to lock that right arm so fast on the first right hand he was in trouble... and if you didn't see his knee buckle on the right hook and think he was close to going down, check the highlight again (while it is up).



** Or, maybe you were saying Mosley wasn't hurt? That's probably true. He looked really tired, but Mayweather never pounded him. I could be misunderstanding you.

Edited by BoredViewer, 02 May 2010 - 12:26 AM.

[FanRoy]

There is just absolutely nothing "fun" about his fights. He's a GREAT boxer. Fine. But what the fuck is fun about watching two guys stand with their hands at their heads while Mayweather destroys his opponent with fairly harmless/relentless jabs at his forehead and tummy? Mosley got killed tonight..........save for a two punch combination in the second round he wasn't even competitive...........and he wasn't once hurt or in danger of going down. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I appreciate your sympathy for the fact that my friends and I actually paid to watch Mayweather fight, but there's a pretty damn easy solution to all this vitriol your spewing... how about you just don't watch from now on? It will give you one less thing to bitch about like a little girl. Just because you can't appreciate watching a man ply his craft, one who is literally better than any single person currently walking this planet, doesn't mean you have to post a half dozen times berating him. We all get that you don't like watching Mayweather fight, just move on.

FWIW, I personally get an immense amount of enjoyment from watching him fight, knockout or not. I don't see much of a difference between him and Pedro in his prime. You know what you're going to get every single time - a singular mastery in stymieing the opponents offense. So why you're so offended by Mayweather's performance (one in which he undeniably outclassed a 1st ballot HoFer, who is not far from his prime) is baffling to me. The name of the sport is 'boxing', not 'knockout punching'.

edit: Just saw BGrif's and Bored's responses - I'm a really slow typer.

Edited by FanRoy, 02 May 2010 - 12:39 AM.

[ElUno20]

Anyone who thinks manny can touch Mayweather needs their head examined. He's a little dude and a nice story but Floyd is on a completely different level. Not to mention the obvious size advantage, for the blind out there Floyd was the bigger fighter. Much bigger and stronger.

I know people hate Floyd but come the fuck on, Shane is a HOF and he made him look like a third grader. If you don't like, stop watching and bitching. I have no problem watching greatness because that guy is extraordinary. Most of the criticism comes from non-boxing fans anyway. MMA is weekly on spike tv from what I hear. Tune in to that.

As for his next fight, Manny should announce his retirement now because Floyd may actually be better than even he says he is.

Edited by ElUno20, 02 May 2010 - 12:38 AM.

[ElUno20]

OTOH, I think plenty of people let their dislike of Floyd's personality and style cloud their judgement when assessing his fights. He's an incredibly skilled and dedicated fighter who is always prepared and in spectacular condition. He didn't run in circles and throw pitter-pat punches all night. He stood flat-footed in front of Mosley for 12 rounds and actually walked Shane down. Floyd was throwing sharp, crisp, hard punches. It's no surprise he couldn't KO Mosley, because Shane has a legendary chin. Is it Floyd's fault that he's so good that he could stand right in front of Mosley and still not get hit with a single clean punch for the last 10 rounds? Was he supposed to put his hands down and let Shane hit him in the face?

100000000000000%. That's why it's tough to even talk to the "knockout"/Manny crowd about fights. When it comes to boxing they're pretty clueless. They just want to see guys flying out the ring like WWE Monday Night Raw. Mosley took a fucking beating tonight. He has a 1st class chin. Get over it people. Floyd was hunting him down all night, he was on the offensive. Shane was tough enough to stay on his feet.

[Rocco Graziosa]

I appreciate your sympathy for the fact that my friends and I actually paid to watch Mayweather fight, but there's a pretty damn easy solution to all this vitriol your spewing... how about you just don't watch from now on? It will give you one less thing to bitch about like a little girl. Just because you can't appreciate watching a man ply his craft, one who is literally better than any single person currently walking this planet, doesn't mean you have to post a half dozen times berating him. We all get that you don't like watching Mayweather fight, just move on.

FWIW, I personally get an immense amount of enjoyment from watching him fight, knockout or not. I don't see much of a difference between him and Pedro in his prime. You know what you're going to get every single time - a singular mastery in stymieing the opponents offense. So why you're so offended by Mayweather's performance (one in which he undeniably outclassed a 1st ballot HoFer, who is not far from his prime) is baffling to me. The name of the sport is 'boxing', not 'knockout punching'.

edit: Just saw BGrif's and Bored's responses - I'm a really slow typer.

Could you describe the difference in watching that fight or a 123-82 NBA playoff game or a 42-7 NFL football game? If so I'm all ears. Maybe I'm some stupid boxing rube who doesn't know the greatness he's watching......and thats fine......but save for TWO punches in the second round Mosley didn't even provide the most rudimentary roadblock for Mayweather tonight. How is that even remotely fun or entertaining?

I stand by my initial assment of the contest from an entertainment vehicle.......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Edited by Rocco Graziosa, 02 May 2010 - 01:06 AM.

[Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye]

Could you describe the difference in watching that fight or a 123-82 NBA playoff game or a 42-7 NFL football game? If so I'm all ears. Maybe I'm some stupid boxing rube who doesn't know the greatness he's watching......and thats fine......but save for TWO punches in the second round Mosley didn't even provide the most rudimentary roadblock for Mayweather tonight. How is that even remotely fun or entertaining?

I stand by my initial assment of the contest from an entertainment vehicle.......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

And yet, after wasting your time typing up that gem of a response, you still didn't ask yourself why you bother watching if it bores you so much.

Theres a reason why I don't watch the PGA Tour and then go into the golf thread to shit all over the sport. I (and most other level-headed people) tend to avoid things they have no interest in. Give it a shot, it works wonders for your overall quality of life.

[BoredViewer]

If your only measure of entertainment is a close fight, OK....

There were plenty of us here that were very entertained by the blowouts the 2007 Patriots inflicted on other teams. I remember being very entertained when the Celtics were smashing the Lakers in game 6 a couple of years ago, too.

I think the "Mayweather" = "Pedro in his prime" comparison is a great one. There were plenty of enjoyable Pedro masterpieces that were not 1-0 affairs.

[Rocco Graziosa]

And yet, after wasting your time typing up that gem of a response, you still didn't ask yourself why you bother watching if it bores you so much.

Theres a reason why I don't watch the PGA Tour and then go into the golf thread to shit all over the sport. I (and most other level-headed people) tend to avoid things they have no interest in. Give it a shot, it works wonders for your overall quality of life.

Thats bullshit. Boxing has been my favorite non mainstream sport my entire life. I can't tell you how many incredibly awesome moments I have lived purchasing boxing PPV's in the last 20 years. The thought that I'm not qualified to comment on this fighters boringness is comicall. The fucking fans booed the fight aftger the first round and the last two. That is what it is.

You people defending Mayweather are insane. I would rather watch Lebron James tie his shoelaces than watch this guy fight.

[BoredViewer]

Thats bullshit. Boxing has been my favorite non mainstream sport my entire life. I can't tell you how many incredibly awesome moments I have lived purchasing boxing PPV's in the last 20 years. The thought that I'm not qualified to comment on this fighters boringness is comicall. The fucking fans booed the fight aftger the first round and the last two. That is what it is.

You people defending Mayweather are insane. I would rather watch Lebron James tie his shoelaces than watch this guy fight.

You can skip ahead to 2:25. Music to get you in the mood is included.

[bosox79]

Could you describe the difference in watching that fight or a 123-82 NBA playoff game or a 42-7 NFL football game? If so I'm all ears. Maybe I'm some stupid boxing rube who doesn't know the greatness he's watching......and thats fine......but save for TWO punches in the second round Mosley didn't even provide the most rudimentary roadblock for Mayweather tonight. How is that even remotely fun or entertaining?

I stand by my initial assment of the contest from an entertainment vehicle.......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

It'd be like watching Pedro strike out 17 batters and 2 hit a team in a 9-0 Shut out. Is that boring? Some might say yes, others might find great entertainment in it.

But I guess strikeouts are like knockouts, so maybe its not a good example. Maybe Derek Lowe pitching a 2 hit shutout in a 9-0 game by inducing 23 groundballs would be a better example.

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Thats bullshit. Boxing has been my favorite non mainstream sport my entire life. I can't tell you how many incredibly awesome moments I have lived purchasing boxing PPV's in the last 20 years. The thought that I'm not qualified to comment on this fighters boringness is comicall. The fucking fans booed the fight aftger the first round and the last two. That is what it is.

You people defending Mayweather are insane. I would rather watch Lebron James tie his shoelaces than watch this guy fight.

Look, a lot of boxing fans feel that way and I can't say it's not a legitimate point of view. In any sport, the "average" fan likes action and scoring. There's a reason that Major league Baseball turned the other cheek to the steroid issue for so long. Home rujns and high scoring games were good for attendance and TV ratings. It's the same reason the NFL has changed its rules to make life much easier for quarterbacks and receivers. Fans in love scoring and action. Boxing fans, at least the "average" fans, are no different. People love slugfests and knockouts. Who doesn't?

But a lot of fans in any sport, and I count myself as one if them, also love watching talent at its highest level. And that's what watching Mayweather is.

Especially in this fight. It's one thing to watch Mayweather pick apart Carlos Baldomir, or even Ricky Hatton for that matter. But to do what he did to Shane Mosely is another level of achievement. This was like Pedro's 17 K, 1 hit performance against the Yankees. It was a level of dominance that frankly, I don't think anyone can honestly say they expected, even people (like me) who believed Mayweather would win the fight rather easily.

Maybe Shane showed his age a bit in there, but for the most part, I thought Mayweather aged him. As Larry Merchant said to Shane after the fight, Mayweather neutralized virtually everything Mosely tried to do. That's amazing. He didn't just take away Mosley's strengths, he took away every weapon in Shane's arsenal.

As I thought, Shane's only chance to win came early. But Mayweather was too tough and too smart. Even hurt -- and there's no doubt that he was hurt -- he was able to neutralize Shane's attack. Actually, I have never seen Mayweather that wobbled, but even in a situation he'd probably never faced in his entire career, he kept his wits about him, did what had to be done, recovered, made his adjustments and everyone saw what happened.

I've never thought that Pacquiao was capable of beating Floyd, but I've always thought that it would be the most dangerous exciting fight of Floyd's career. Now, I'm not so sure. I think that fight would go pretty much like this one. Except I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Floyd end that one in a knockout. Manny has always been easy to hit and Floyd will have a huge size advantage in addition to all of his other advantages. Manny's hand speed is possibly the equal of Floyd's, but even super fast punches still need to hit a target and Floyd offers a very, very elusive target.

The shame of Floyd's career is that he didn't take these kinds of challenges earlier, at least since he moved to junior welterweight then welterweight. The De La Hoya fight, as it turns out, was the toughest of his career at 140+ and will probably stay that way. I have no doubt that Floyd would have beaten Miguel Cotto, Antonio Magarito and even Winky Wright or Vernon Forrest, rather easily. But Mayweather for whatever reason, ducked all of those fighters. He was offered 8 million bucks to fight Margarito a few years ago, and he turned it down and fought Sharmba Mitchell instead. That's really a shame and if there's anything that keeps Floyd from being recognized as being on the level of a Surgar Ray Leonard (or Robinson) it's that. And that's one thing he can't change.

[mclusky]

If you watch boxing to see Rocky-esque action fights, Mayweather isn't for you. Several people have already given the Pedro Martinez analogy. The basketball analogy would be going one-on-one with LeBron James and beating him 21-1.

And unlike a lot of the guys who entertained in those awesome slugfest PPVs, Floyd Mayweather is going to be able to play with his grandchildren in 20-30 years.

He's the best athlete in the world, bar none. His last two fights were virtual shut-outs against two of the top three PFP fighters in the world. It's a shame people have to pay to see him perform, but even so I consider it money well spent.

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

A nice, even somewhat thoughtful post-fight interview with Floyd is on Yahoo! Sports, here.

Edited by Gene Conleys Plane Ticket, 02 May 2010 - 09:42 AM.

[Sille Skrub]

I disagree... I don't find Mayweather's performances boring.

This was response was funny considering your screenname.

Floyd is a great fighter, but are people actually comparing what he did last night to Pedro? Really?

If you threw Pedro in a over 35, people who haven't played in 16 months league it would be a fair comparison.

Sugar Shane was gassed after the second round.