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[koufax32]

So Jason Campbell it is. Good for him, bad for the Patriots. Personally I still don't see that offense turning into anything special. As one poster put it in the draft day 3 game thread, 8-8 might be possible but there is still no way this team comes away with a winning record.

[QUNate]

Report: Raiders preparing to release JaMarcus Russell

[Old Fart Tree]

Think he could be our speed rusher off the edge?

[nighthob]

Maybe they could try him out at TE? You can never have too many TEs...

[axx]

The way Russell threw so effortlessly 70 yards into triple coverage is simply awe-inspiring. The NFL will never be the same without him.

[bbc23]

JaMarcus could never be a speed rusher, I think 3-technique is far more likely

[bowiac]

Ok, this started out funny to watch, but got genuinely sad in time...



Also, while no o-line looks good in a compilation video of strip-sacks, theirs did look particularly bad there... Godspeed Campbell.

Pro Football Focus confirms it - the worst pass blocking o-line in the NFL. Only Arizona is close.

They think generally that JaMarcus was only the 6th worst player on the offense last year. Three different offensive linemen, and two wide receivers did more to hinder the cause.

Edited by bowiac, 29 April 2010 - 02:25 AM.

[axx]

Yeah, I've seen that. The music piece fits perfectly.

[Needlenose's Pole]

What's truly horriffic is the amount of pressure on Russell out of 4-man rushes. As bowiac alludes to, Russell was awful--but his line sometimes looked like they were trying to teach Paul Crewe a lesson.

Edited by Needlenose's Pole, 29 April 2010 - 06:07 PM.

[bbc23]

If you watched ANY Raider games last year you could tell how excited the Raider offense was to be playing with not-Jamarcus (aka Gradkowski aka someone who gave a shit). They essentially gave up whenever Jamarcus was in the huddle and had no will to play with him.

[koufax32]

Not so fast my ffriend.

Looks like a good ol' fashioned QB competition in OAK. It would be great for JMR to do just enough to earn a few starts.

[jsinger121]

Adam_Schefter

Carve the bust: Raiders announced they have released QB JaMarcus Russell.

[Miskatonic PhD]

Wonder if they'll re-sign him for shorter money when no one else does?

Hey, a guy can dream!

[NortheasternPJ]

I was going to pose the question of did any other #1 pick ever get cut so quickly but according to ESPN:

Since the start of the common draft in 1967, only one other No. 1 pick was released this quickly in his NFL career. Indianapolis cut 1992 top pick Steve Emtman after three seasons but that was more because of injuries than production.

Emtman played three more seasons for Miami and Washington. It remains to be seen whether any team will give Russell another shot.

[since67]

The Russell family thanks Al Davis for that 39 million dollars paid out over the past 3 years ! WOW.

[firstroundpick]

does anyone take a flyer on this guy or is he done???

[NortheasternPJ]

does anyone take a flyer on this guy or is he done???

Can you be "done" if you never really started?

[wutang112878]

does anyone take a flyer on this guy or is he done???

To answer your question with a question, can he prove to any team that he actually cares enough to deserve a 2nd chance? This isnt Andre Ware or Tim Couch where another team thinks 'maybe that wasnt the right' fill in the blank, the main issue with Jamarcus is effort at this point.

[wutang112878]

Keep it classy Oakland. Dont just move on, make a ridiculous attempt to get money back that will never work.

[Spacemans Bong]

Nah, fuck Russell. This is one where I'd like to see the old man rinse him dry.

[wutang112878]

Nah, fuck Russell. This is one where I'd like to see the old man rinse him dry.

I dont like seeing Russell steal 36M from an NFL team, but the rules are the rules and signing bonuses are guaranteed. I fully support a much tighter rookie cap to stop this stuff, but what Oakland is doing has no chance to work. I wish the Celtics could sue Rasheed for a lack of effort, but it would be pointless like this.

[bbc23]

Raiders add John Henderson to a quietly strong looking front 7:
http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5276220
Also, I have heard they are taking a serious look at Flozell Adams.

[bosockboy]

Raiders add John Henderson to a quietly strong looking front 7:
http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5276220
Also, I have heard they are taking a serious look at Flozell Adams.

9-7 here we come.

[axx]

Seymour signs his Franchise Tender, so he will stay in Oakland. $12.4 million.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5305785

[since67]

Seymour made over $45 million dollars with his Patriots contracts & now he pockets $12.4 millon dollars for one year......not bad for a guy who is not any where near what he was in his prime.

Edited by since67, 19 June 2010 - 07:12 PM.

[SoxScout]

– Quarterback Jason Campbell has a right wrist injury that is more significant at this point than his stinger. It happened on the series previous to the one in which he was injured. He’s had an MRI and X-rays and Cable said it will be evaluated this week.

– Running back Michael Bush will have a “procdure” on his fractured left thumb but wont’ necessarily miss the opener. Cable said Bush would be “protected” but not with a cast.

http://www.ibabuzz.c...l-bush-updates/

[moondog80]

38-13 loss to the Titans. Jason Campbell, 37 pass attempts for 180 yards. So far, so good.

[Sille Skrub]

The "Committment To Excellence" on draft day will be fun to watch this season.

I don't think #1 overall is out of the question.

[Rocco Graziosa]

Al Davis looked near death in his wheelchair yesterday. I mean he literally looked like he was going to die. Did anyone else see that shot of him during the game??

[Sille Skrub]

I saw it. He's in rough shape.

He actually looked better than the team, though.

[Shelterdog]

The "Committment To Excellence" on draft day will be fun to watch this season.

I don't think #1 overall is out of the question.

They're still in the AFC West so they should be able to win a few games.
Now if we're really lucky we get the #1 pick, one of the quarterback prospects like Luck or Locker cements his position as super, must draft quarterback, and we turn the pick around for even more talent.

[timlinin8th]

Al Davis looked near death in his wheelchair yesterday. I mean he literally looked like he was going to die. Did anyone else see that shot of him during the game??

Edited by timlinin8th, 13 September 2010 - 08:33 AM.

[D Jack's Dome]

Live long and prosper

[BigSoxFan]

The Raiders' next 2 games are against St. Louis and Arizona. I'd gladly accept a split there because the following 4 games are against Houston, San Diego, San Francisco, and Denver. This could get interesting.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

They're still in the AFC West so they should be able to win a few games.
Now if we're really lucky we get the #1 pick, one of the quarterback prospects like Luck or Locker cements his position as super, must draft quarterback, and we turn the pick around for even more talent.

I would also settle for getting the #3 or #4 pick, drafting Robert Quinn out of UNC, and turning him into a fucking wrecking ball as a 3-4 OLB.

[Shelterdog]

I would also settle for getting the #3 or #4 pick, drafting Robert Quinn out of UNC, and turning him into a fucking wrecking ball as a 3-4 OLB.

Quinn would be ideal. I love the idea of adding a stud to the front seven with the Raiders pick. Marcell Dareus of Alabama would be a great addition for the defensive line. Cameron Heyward might be a good mcginest type although he seems (interception this weekend aside) like he might not be quick enough to drop into coverage. There are a few wideouts who look scary although I'd rather try to draft wideouts in round two or three than high in round one.

[Royal Reader]

Guys, what would you say is the absolute upside on the '10 Raiders? I ask because I'm interested in the value of the pick, but also because I made a bet with a Raider fan on their performance over last season and this, and I'm kinda in the shit if I lose (we bet the full costs of an evening out, but I don't drink and he drinks like a fish, so...)

[Sille Skrub]

Absolute upside?

4-5 wins maybe?

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

A top five pick sets the Pats up for Adrian Clayborn out of Iowa. They need an injection of youth at DE and Clayborn had the size and motor of a young Richard Seymour. Me wants.

[Ed Hillel]

Upside is 7 wins imo. We need to see more but, make no mistake, they lost to a legit SB contender yesterday. They also play the Chiefs and Broncos twice and the entire NFC West.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Upside is 7 wins imo. We need to see more but, make no mistake, they lost to a legit SB contender yesterday. They also play the Chiefs and Broncos twice and the entire NFC West.

I agree with 7 wins. The Broncos suck, the Chiefs suck, they could potentially steal one against a Chargers team that is significantly worse than last year, and they also play against the NFC West. The plausible range is probably 3-7 wins.

In the last few years, a 7-9 record has generally landed a pick somewhere between 9-13. Going 3-13 is pretty much guaranteed Top 2-3.

[Shelterdog]

A top five pick sets the Pats up for Adrian Clayborn out of Iowa. They need an injection of youth at DE and Clayborn had the size and motor of a young Richard Seymour. Me wants.

He's only listed at 285. If he could get his weight up to 300 and maintain speed, I'd be pretty psyched.

Hard for me to see the Raiders as more than a four win team. They were lucky to be as good as 5-11 last year (30th in DVOA, 31st in pythagorean wins), they were reasonably healthy, and it's going to be very hard for Cable to keep the team going hard in his third year as a coach (this isn't a statistical observations, but it seams that if things are going poorly in years one and two, they go completely pear shaped in year three).

[JMDurron]

I would say that the Raiders could win 7 games. Remember that they have gone from quite possibly the worst QB possible (Russell), to someone who at least occasionally flashes some competence in Campbell, and then recall how well they played when Russell was out last season. Toss in a soft schedule in a lousy division, and 6-7 wins is quite doable. The Raiders going from abysmal to below average at QB has me worried.

[mahky bellhorn]

I mean, now that Jamarcus is gone, the Raiders could easily win 8 or 9. Not that I think they will, but fwiw the Vegas O/U was 6 with a lot more juice on the over. They didn't help their cause (or inspire much promise) losing to Tennessee, but you never know in the NFL.

[lostjumper]

I mean, now that Jamarcus is gone, the Raiders could easily win 8 or 9. Not that I think they will, but fwiw the Vegas O/U was 6 with a lot more juice on the over. They didn't help their cause (or inspire much promise) losing to Tennessee, but you never know in the NFL.

Campbell is an upgrade, but they could have Peyton Manning stand back there and they wouldn't be able to score. That o-line has to be the worst in the NFL. Campbell spent most of the game running for his life. In fact, I'd be very surprised if he makes it 16 games. The ball gets snapped and there are 2 D-linemen in the backfield. Unless that changes, I see the raiders as a 4 win team, even though their schedule is very easy. Remember, while many of those AFC/NFC west teams are sub-par, I bet they all have the Raider's games circled on their schedules as a great chance for a win.

[amfox1]

I'd say 8-8 is the maximum for the Raiders. I think 5-11 or 6-10 is more realistic.

Wk Date Game
2 Sep 19 STL @ OAK
3 Sep 26 OAK @ ARI
4 Oct 03 HOU @ OAK
5 Oct 10 SD @ OAK
6 Oct 17 OAK @ SF
7 Oct 24 OAK @ DEN
8 Oct 31 SEA @ OAK
9 Nov 07 KC @ OAK
10 Bye
11 Nov 21 OAK @ PIT
12 Nov 28 MIA @ OAK
13 Dec 05 OAK @ SD
14 Dec 12 OAK @ JAC
15 Dec 19 DEN @ OAK
16 Dec 26 IND @ OAK
17 Jan 02 OAK @ KC

Winnable games (8): Rams, Chiefs (2), Seahawks, Broncos (home), Jaguars, Dolphins, Cardinals

Not-winnable games (7): Chargers (2), Colts, Steelers, Texans, 49ers, Broncos (away)

[Old Fart Tree]

8-8 is the absolute ceiling, I think, with a mean of 5.5. They don't have a whole lot of talent, but the AFC west is full of cupcakes.

[Alternate34]

I have a hard time seeing all 8 of those games as winnable amfox1. The major problem is that they have little talent and they have a horrible coaching staff so they won't use what talent they have in an efficient manner. It seems like the coaching staff will be an anchor dragging down what hopes they have.

The Dolphins doesn't seem winnable to me. That team has talent and good coaching. I understand it's a home game, but I Dolphins are much better. The Seahawks game seems winnable only with an debilitated Hasselback. The ceiling to me seems more 6 wins like last year rather than anything above that.

Jason Campbell is overrated. He could be competent with a staff that would draw up suitable plays, but I don't trust this staff.

[Freddy Linn]

Looks like an L.A. Raiders jacket. Maybe stolen off the corpse of Easy-E.

[The Yellow Submarine]

is that little brittle?