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[sfip]

The ballpark argument can be countered because both teams are playing on the same field. The payroll argument can't. I know it's within the rules, but those rules are bullshit. Unfortunately Selig won't do a damn thing to do what the NFL, NHL and NBA have, and if a salary cap (and salary floor, for that matter) hurt the Red Sox, I'd take that tradeoff over the ridiculous advantage the Yankees have. Yeah I went there and yeah I'm bitter as fuck.

Edit: oops, didn't see the salary cap thread until now. I'll check it out in detail.

Edited by sfip, 18 October 2009 - 10:09 AM.

[ronald47]

No doubt that left field does that. But if you're really in the mood to talk park factors, one park is an extreme homer park and one is not.

One is also an extreme run scoring environment while the other is not.

Yes, homers are easy to come by in NYS and you can call it a gimmick park, but it certainly isn't the first offender and it won't be the last. And as has been stated multiple times already, the Twins and Angels have done basically nothing with this park.

[BrooklynBound4Train]

Hmm? 2 feet high? That's idiocy.

Pesky Pole is about 300 feet from home. But VERY VERY quickly it gets deep VERY fast. I mean, you have seen a game at Fenway before, right? You do know that your Arena League Baseball stadium is a joke to 29 other teams?

I know this isn't the exact thread for this, but
1. The other team hits in the same park, so they're competing with the same advantage - hence no advantage. If the yanks out slug your team its because we're a better power team, get over it.
2. The run differential for home v. away for the Yanks was something like a .1, with a higher BA away. It's time to start finding real excuses.

On the topic of the win, I personally think that was just ugly baseball. The rain and the defense made for an unpleasant game, with few saving graces (Rivera, A-Rod, Jeter...)

[fren.]

Pedroia had the shortest distance of homers in the majors. Alex Gonzalez had a .920 OPS in Fenway.

Zero homers allowed in the postseason, bandbox

[Fishercat]

I wouldn't exactly say no advantage. Not only are Yankee players more likely to be acquired to be able to take advantage of that obscenely short RF fence for 81+ games a year, but they are more used to taking advantage of such. It's good strategy, but it is, to steal a term, "Arena League".

With that said, Fenway has the same qualities in a different form (not HRs, but doubles and monster shots).

[futureman]

According to Hittracker, A-Rod's home run would have been out of three other ballparks and Jeter's out of 12.

Also, Yankee Stadium is only short in RF, LF may actually be a little bit deeper than the old Stadium.

Edited by futureman, 18 October 2009 - 09:48 AM.

[Max Power]

According to Hittracker, A-Rod's home run would have been out of three other ballparks and Jeter's out of 12.

Also, Yankee Stadium is only short in RF, LF may actually be a little bit deeper than the old Stadium.

That's 3 total ballparks, Yankee Stadium and two others. Anyone know which two those might be? It was only 354 feet to straight right.

[futureman]

That's 3 total ballparks, Yankee Stadium and two others. Anyone know which two those might be? It was only 354 feet to straight right.

Not so sure about that because how do they come up with 0 ballparks then?

Just from eyeballing the range rings on the stadium diagrams, Citizens Bank Park and Miller Park seem like likely candidates.

And for trivia's sake, both US Cellular and CBP have had higher HR/Game than NYS within the last few seasons.

Edited by futureman, 18 October 2009 - 10:21 AM.

[Max Power]

Not so sure about that because how do they come up with 0 ballparks then?

There are some listed as 30. I assume the zeros are inside the park homers.

[futureman]

There are some listed as 30. I assume the zeros are inside the park homers.

David Ortiz had two home runs this season listed as 0

Actually, now that I think about it, the # parks probably refers to Standard Distance meaning that if it weren't for atmospheric effects how any parks it would have been out of. So yes, it would have been NYS and two other parks in particular because there wasn't much of an atmospheric effect on the ball, it would have been out of NYS in any case plus two other parks.

Edited by futureman, 18 October 2009 - 10:32 AM.

[Buck Showalter]

Really? The short rightfield? That's the topic this morning?

How about the closer's inability to get three outs after the Angels took the lead...and get on a left-coast flight tied at 1-1 in the series?

How about VG failing to deliver in extra innings with men on second and third...while all he did was flail at a two-strike curveball and struggle to make contact resulting in a High School-like groundball to Cano to end the inning?

Not to mention the defensive errors.

Quite honestly...what we've seen from the Twins & Angels thus far in the playoffs looks to be a good old-fashioned fear and intimidation of October baseball against a pinstriped opponent. The crowd, the spotlight, and the crisp air are having an effect on closers that saved 48 games and centerfielders that made one error all year long.

Makes me appreciate the Manny, Ortiz and Schilling of years gone by that much more.

[Rocco Graziosa]

Really? The short rightfield? That's the topic this morning?

How about the closer's inability to get three outs after the Angels took the lead...and get on a left-coast flight tied at 1-1 in the series?

How about VG failing to deliver in extra innings with men on second and third...while all he did was flail at a two-strike curveball and struggle to make contact resulting in a High School-like groundball to Cano to end the inning?

Not to mention the defensive errors.

Quite honestly...what we've seen from the Twins & Angels thus far in the playoffs looks to be a good old-fashioned fear and intimidation of October baseball against a pinstriped opponent. The crowd, the spotlight, and the crisp air are having an effect on closers that saved 48 games and centerfielders that made one error all year long.

Makes me appreciate the Manny, Ortiz and Schilling of years gone by that much more.

I couldn't agree more. This Yankee team has that "feel" about them similar to circa 1998. It fucking sucks, and makes me all the more angry the Sox rolled over to the Angels. Say what you want about the Sox, but they've NEVER been intimidated by the Yankees. Even back when they probably should have been.

And is this Rivera fucking human? WTF. He looks exactly like he did ten fucking years ago.

[PooNani]

I missed this thread, but I gotta add....Vlad looks really fucking old all of a sudden. I dont know if its the injuries that have finally caught up to him, but it wasn't like he got beat by incredible pitches. The Yankees relievers pitched very well but Vlad swung at some terrible pitches.

[CaptainLaddie]

I can't believe how amazing Rivera is.

[Max Power]

The entire game boiled down to one pitch: Fuentes's 0-2 fastball down the middle to A-Rod. They probably would have gotten the strikeout with anything at all offspeed. That may have been the worst example of pitch calling in postseason history.

[God's Cop]

Congratulations to the 2009 New York Yankees on their 27th World Series Championship.

[Buck Showalter]

Congratulations to the 2009 New York Yankees on their 27th World Series Championship.

John Sterling is that you?

[ScubaSteveAvery]

I can't believe how amazing Rivera is.

No joke. That was an absolutely epic performance in a huge game. There is no way the Yankees want to go to LAAAAA at 1 a piece. I'm just stunned at how awesome he continues to look at his age. Only 25 pitches in 2 1/3. 17 of them strikes.

[DieHardSoxFan1]

Yes, just to be clear, there have been four playoff games played thus far in that "Arena League baseball stadium" thus far, and the Twins and Angels have a grand total of zero home runs. Boston also had a nice long scoreless streak there in August, if I recall correctly.

The Yankees' ability to limit opposing HR's in that ballpark is very impressive. The rotation, with C.C. and A.J at the top, misses a ton of bats. Pettitte always keeps the ball in the park. Even Joba's HR rate isn't too far above average.

At the end of games, Rivera and Hughes strikeout over a batter an inning and have excellent control. Aceves misses bats and doesn't walk anyone. Phil Coke manhandles LHH's. David freaking Robertson uses a solid fastball and devastating curve to punch out nearly 13 batters per nine. And if that's not enough, reliever-turned-starter-turned-reliever Joba Chamberlin hasn't completely shit his pants this October.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Phillies were/are the only team that can beat NYY. They have the bats, they have the best defense in the game and they have the requisite starting pitching depth.

But with two major question marks surrounding the pitching staff as a whole, the Phillies' chances remain slim. First, Cole Hamels must find himself. Second, the bullpen must find a way to hold a lead for once in its life.

[Wingack]

No joke. That was an absolutely epic performance in a huge game. There is no way the Yankees want to go to LAAAAA at 1 a piece. I'm just stunned at how awesome he continues to look at his age. Only 25 pitches in 2 1/3. 17 of them strikes.

I sure hope the man is interested in pitching until he is 45 years old. He should be granted a lifetime contract as far as I'm concerned.

And I will be curious to see if people continue to question ARod's ability to hit in the clutch after this postseason. Three game tying HRs in the 7th inning or later in 5 games is pretty remarkable.

[carver]

The entire game boiled down to one pitch: Fuentes's 0-2 fastball down the middle to A-Rod. They probably would have gotten the strikeout with anything at all offspeed. That may have been the worst example of pitch calling in postseason history.

I think he was supposed to waste one up and away, but it just didn't go up and away enough...

[carver]

Considering the Sox play in a park where bullpens were built in RF to aid Ted Williams, we really shouldn't be casting stones.

Swing and a miss on that attempted analogy! Not even close to being the same thing...

[rman726]

The Yankees' ability to limit opposing HR's in that ballpark is very impressive. The rotation, with C.C. and A.J at the top, misses a ton of bats. Pettitte always keeps the ball in the park. Even Joba's HR rate isn't too far above average.

At the end of games, Rivera and Hughes strikeout over a batter an inning and have excellent control. Aceves misses bats and doesn't walk anyone. Phil Coke manhandles LHH's. David freaking Robertson uses a solid fastball and devastating curve to punch out nearly 13 batters per nine. And if that's not enough, reliever-turned-starter-turned-reliever Joba Chamberlin hasn't completely shit his pants this October.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Phillies were/are the only team that can beat NYY. They have the bats, they have the best defense in the game and they have the requisite starting pitching depth.

But with two major question marks surrounding the pitching staff as a whole, the Phillies' chances remain slim. First, Cole Hamels must find himself. Second, the bullpen must find a way to hold a lead for once in its life.

That's why I don't expect much to change with their ball park next year. The Yankees know how to pitch at their stadium. They will bring in players that are able to limit the damage at their stadium. And they will pound the shit out of teams that don't know how to pitch well in it, and teams that simply cannot build their team around lefties. They have succeeded for decades with their home field advantage in right field. And they simply added onto their home field advantage with their new stadium. Unless the MLB forces them to make their walls taller (they won't), then the Yankees management won't change a thing.

[Rocco Graziosa]

That's why I don't expect much to change with their ball park next year. The Yankees know how to pitch at their stadium. They will bring in players that are able to limit the damage at their stadium. And they will pound the shit out of teams that don't know how to pitch well in it, and teams that simply cannot build their team around lefties. They have succeeded for decades with their home field advantage in right field. And they simply added onto their home field advantage with their new stadium. Unless the MLB forces them to make their walls taller (they won't), then the Yankees management won't change a thing.

And they shouldn't. Or are you suggesting they built this park without the consent of Major League baseball?

[futureman]

That's why I don't expect much to change with their ball park next year. The Yankees know how to pitch at their stadium. They will bring in players that are able to limit the damage at their stadium. And they will pound the shit out of teams that don't know how to pitch well in it, and teams that simply cannot build their team around lefties. They have succeeded for decades with their home field advantage in right field. And they simply added onto their home field advantage with their new stadium. Unless the MLB forces them to make their walls taller (they won't), then the Yankees management won't change a thing.

Why do the Yankees need to make the walls taller in Yankee Stadium while nobody has said a word about the Phillies or White Sox who have had stadiums with higher HR/game within the last few years than the Yankees had this year?

[SemperFidelisSox]

The Yankees know how to pitch at their stadium.

I'm not being argumentative when I ask this, but what specifically have you seen from the Yankees pitching staff that has made them so effective at that Stadium as opposed to visiting teams?