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#51 Savin Hillbilly


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (Sprowl @ Oct 4 2009, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
[Ellsbury has] come a long way since his mid-season slump after the wrist injury last year. His old-man skills will come along in time too -- he's already one of the team's best hitters at making contact: he has closed up some of the holes in his plate coverage.

Since being put back in the leadoff spot for good on July 20, his slash numbers are .310/.368/.440, and his walk rate for that stretch is up over 8 percent. Everything's moving in the right direction for him right now.

#52 Harry Agganis

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:32 PM

Hello Clay

#53 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:34 PM

All those innings might be starting to add up.

#54 Beomoose


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:34 PM

Christ. He's taking a sawn dive down the depth chart.

#55 strek1


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:34 PM

This is an annoying turn of events. Now this is 2 bad starts in a row

#56 Harry Agganis

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:35 PM

#4 Maybe Byrd

#57 Beomoose


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Harry Agganis @ Oct 4 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
#4 Maybe Byrd

You take that back.

#58 brs3


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:36 PM

I hope Nick Green gets in this game...as a pitcher

Edited by brs3, 04 October 2009 - 01:36 PM.


#59 Sprowl


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

Buchholz can't get away with throwing the fastball above the belt over the middle of the plate: that's what the home run and RBI single came off.

#60 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

We were subjected to two weeks of shitty baseball so the team could rest up and prepare for the playoffs, and they've still got about a dozen injuries and question marks going in.

#61 Bada Bing

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

Buchholz shits the bed in back to back starts against AA teams.

#62 BowdenHype

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:39 PM

Sooooo Dice K is the #3 starter, right?

#63 Sprowl


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (Beomoose @ Oct 4 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Christ. He's taking a sawn dive down the depth chart.

Is that where the Indians cut off the end of the diving board?

#64 CaptainLaddie


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:41 PM

Pretty fucking shitty show by Buchholz. Really disappointing.

#65 nvalvo


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:41 PM

So is Daisuke your 3rd starter yet?

#66 Bada Bing

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:42 PM

Cleveland is 30 games under .500 and they have one regular player in their lineup and they are knocking Buchholz all over the fucking park.

Embarrassing.

#67 budcrew08

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:43 PM

This game ends up 14-12, you guys watch. Didn't Devern Hansack throw a rain-shortened no-hitter on the last day of the year in 06?

#68 NomarRS05

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:43 PM

Dice K has to be the #3 starter. Yes, two starts by Buchholz are enough to determine that. He has collapsed.

#69 InsideTheParker


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:43 PM

DiceK's temperament is worth more than Buchholz's talent and potential at this point, clearly.

#70 NomarRS05

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:45 PM

Beckett and Buchholz suddenly not looking very strong at all. Pretty fucking infuriating if you ask me.

#71 shawnrbu


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (NomarRS05 @ Oct 4 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Beckett and Buchholz suddenly not looking very strong at all. Pretty fucking infuriating if you ask me.


Lester is the only sure thing. The other 3 are a mystery.

#72 shawnrbu


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:49 PM

Andy Marte had no idea his putout was the 3rd out. What a player he turned out to be.

#73 vyrago

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (InsideTheParker @ Oct 4 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DiceK's temperament is worth more than Buchholz's talent and potential at this point, clearly.



Buchholz left for the end of the regular season party after the 2nd inning. He just forgot to take his body with him. What a putz!

#74 Bada Bing

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (shawnrbu @ Oct 4 2009, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lester is the only sure thing. The other 3 are a mystery.


Pretty fucking sad to have 3/4 of your playoff rotation as a mystery.

#75 Beomoose


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:51 PM

Every time MLB plays this "Saint Joba" commercial I die alittle inside.

#76 Sprowl


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (CaptainLaddie @ Oct 4 2009, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty fucking shitty show by Buchholz. Really disappointing.
QUOTE (Bada Bing @ Oct 4 2009, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cleveland is 30 games under .500 and they have one regular player in their lineup and they are knocking Buchholz all over the fucking park.

Embarrassing.
QUOTE (NomarRS05 @ Oct 4 2009, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Beckett and Buchholz suddenly not looking very strong at all. Pretty fucking infuriating if you ask me.

...fucking shitty disappointing, fucking embarrassing, fucking infuriating... Sounds like we have some Sunday morning hangovers to work off.

#77 RedOctober3829


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:52 PM

Beckett doesn't worry me but Buchholz sure does.

#78 Barbara

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:52 PM

News faces.

Tek in for Victor.
Ramirez in.
Missed the Infielder switch.

#79 fenwaypaul

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE (InsideTheParker @ Oct 4 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DiceK's temperament is worth more than Buchholz's talent and potential at this point, clearly.

I'm in complete agreement with you here. I can't understand what Buchholz's problem is. Is it just a simple matter of his being a head case?

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE (Sprowl @ Oct 4 2009, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...fucking shitty disappointing, fucking embarrassing, fucking infuriating... Sounds like we have some Sunday morning hangovers to work off.


They're just watching "Good Will Hunting" on TBS on picture-in-picture

#81 BowdenHype

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Bada Bing @ Oct 4 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pretty fucking sad to have 3/4 of your playoff rotation as a mystery.

Nobody is a sure thing....however, I would trust both Lester and Beckett in the playoffs, and you pretty much know Dice will give you 5-6 innings 2-3 runs like he always does. However, I don't trust Clay at all, he's a severe headcase, has #1 starter stuff but not mentally tough.

#82 shawnrbu


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Barbara @ Oct 4 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
News faces.

Tek in for Victor.
Ramirez in.
Missed the Infielder switch.


Lowrie at 3rd for Youkilis.

#83 budcrew08

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Barbara @ Oct 4 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
News faces.

Tek in for Victor.
Ramirez in.
Missed the Infielder switch.



Lowrie at 3rd for Youk.

Edit: Damned slow computer.

Edited by budcrew08, 04 October 2009 - 01:55 PM.


#84 E5 Yaz


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:55 PM

Dusty Brown at SS

#85 bosockboy


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:58 PM

As pivotal as Game 3's are in a best of 5, I think Dice-K has to go in Game 3. As for Clay, I think it's possible he has hit a dead arm period. He was just too good before this; the innings might have caught up with him.

#86 normstalls

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 01:58 PM

dice K game 3 starter??

#87 teddywingman


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:01 PM

So I was watching Tigers and Twins games...
Buchholz got knocked around?
Was there anything obvious about why?

#88 Sprowl


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:02 PM



#89 Harry Agganis

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:03 PM

Looks like a playoff game on Tuesday

#90 normstalls

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:06 PM

Why cant Drew ever do that with men on base?

#91 budcrew08

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:06 PM

aaahhh! Bowden's in.

#92 unclebobo

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE (normstalls @ Oct 4 2009, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why cant Drew ever do that with men on base?


Only in the ALCS -- Drew don't waste no mojo on no meaningless games

#93 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:07 PM

The moral of the story is that you always go for the division as long as it's still in play.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:09 PM

QUOTE (SemperFidelisSox @ Oct 4 2009, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The moral of the story is that you always go for the division as long as it's still in play.


... if you're chasing whatever weak team is leading the AL Central

#95 Harry Agganis

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:10 PM

QUOTE (Harry Agganis @ Oct 4 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looks like a playoff game on Tuesday


Well maybe not CWS score 3 in the eigth


#96 Sprowl


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:12 PM

QUOTE (fenwaypaul @ Oct 4 2009, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm in complete agreement with you here. I can't understand what Buchholz's problem is. Is it just a simple matter of his being a head case?
QUOTE (BowdenHype @ Oct 4 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nobody is a sure thing....however, I would trust both Lester and Beckett in the playoffs, and you pretty much know Dice will give you 5-6 innings 2-3 runs like he always does. However, I don't trust Clay at all, he's a severe headcase, has #1 starter stuff but not mentally tough.

Frankly, this stuff strikes me as foolish, and a case of trying to fit an old narrative onto every piece of batter success that comes along: what is there in Buchholz's performance today that makes you think he's a head case as opposed to simply having poor command of the fastball?

If he's a headcase, why is he losing command in the 3rd inning of a meaningless game rather than in the games he pitched that actually counted? Maybe Buchholz, like Papelbon, needs high-stakes situations to focus his best -- if that's a headcase symptom, we can live with it.

QUOTE (teddywingman @ Oct 4 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So I was watching Tigers and Twins games...
Buchholz got knocked around?
Was there anything obvious about why?

The poor 3rd inning coincided with losing command of the slider, which in prior innings he was throwing whenever he needed a strike. He missed the zone with the last seven sliders he threw (loss of control) and then grooved two fastballs with men on base (loss of command).

#97 Snodgrass'Muff


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE (BowdenHype @ Oct 4 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nobody is a sure thing....however, I would trust both Lester and Beckett in the playoffs, and you pretty much know Dice will give you 5-6 innings 2-3 runs like he always does. However, I don't trust Clay at all, he's a severe headcase, has #1 starter stuff but not mentally tough.


We're back on this again? Oy vey.

Anyone remember Derek Lowe in 2004?

1 IP 6 ER, 5 IP 4 ER, 2.1 IP 5 ER, 2 IP 1 ER for a total -0.94 WPA and a 13.94 ERA in his last four starts.

I agree, Clay's last two starts inspire little confidence, but this head case bullshit has to stop. He's a young pitcher with a lot of talent who is still adjusting to being a major league pitcher and who may be hitting a wall because of his innings increase from last year to this year.

Please stop with the pseudo-science psycho-babble.

#98 bosockboy


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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:13 PM

If the Tigers lose this, this might top the 2007 Mets. 5-0 lead entering the 8th....

#99 MartyBarrettMVP

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:14 PM

Pinch running for Taco..gotta love the pre-post-season.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 02:15 PM

PEW PEW