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#1 OhBabyDontOrtizMe


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 06:55 AM

Greinke stinks. He is terrible, has no future as a pitcher, and probably should not be in the major leagues.

The voice in his head, Tanaka, on the other hand, the one whom he has let pitch most of his starts this year, may win the Cy Young.

The Red Sox will still prevail. Win.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 07:48 AM

Reverse lock = Sox victory.

Greinke will be depressed tonight.

#3 TheoShmeo


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 07:53 AM

Dueling game threads? Good. I like this one better than Tom's.

#4 OhBabyDontOrtizMe


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 08:16 AM

QUOTE (TheoShmeo @ Sep 22 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dueling game threads? Good. I like this one better than Tom's.


Damnit, I didn't see that one. Last night's thread was still on top. For the record: I'm an idiot, not a jerk.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 10:07 AM

This thread is better than Tom's thread.

#6 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 10:08 AM

I still can't believe they pissed that game away last night.

#7 The Hit Dog

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 10:44 AM

I think the travel day yesterday will really help recharge some batteries! Let's win our 4th in a row and catch those MFY!

#8 Return of the Dewey

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 11:04 AM

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Sep 22 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still can't believe they pissed that game away last night.


I still can't believe they decided to start both Wakefield and Byrd.

#9 86spike


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Return of the Dewey @ Sep 22 2009, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still can't believe they decided to start both Wakefield and Byrd.


if there ever was a sure sign that Tito is in 'prep for the playoffs, don't worry about he division' mode... this is it.

#10 judyb

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (86spike @ Sep 22 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if there ever was a sure sign that Tito is in 'prep for the playoffs, don't worry about he division' mode... this is it.

They don't want the division. It's a "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" situation.

#11 E5 Yaz


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:17 PM

Nothing would have pissed the Yankees off more than to a) blow this division lead and b) have to start the ALDS, on the road, against the Angels.

Odds were against the Sox catching them, even with a win last night, but it would have been fun to see them squirm for a few days

#12 Bucknahs Bum Ankle


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:21 PM

Sox take the next 3 from KC and NY loses the next 2 to LA, Sox will be 2.5 back and the Yankees will be squirming. Not likely I know, but a man can still dream.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:26 PM

Put the date in the title.


Win the damn game. Greinke's demons in his brain can't be held at bay forever.

#14 C4CRVT

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:27 PM

QUOTE (E5 Yaz @ Sep 22 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing would have pissed the Yankees off more than to a) blow this division lead and b) have to start the ALDS, on the road, against the Angels.

Odds were against the Sox catching them, even with a win last night, but it would have been fun to see them squirm for a few days


I'm with you. Damon's comments the other day took me by surprise mostly because I haven't been taking thoughts about the division very seriously. It seems like something fun to think about but not worth getting excited about. That they're apparently worried about it makes me a little giddy.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:35 PM

Just because it's fun to look:

Espn batter vs pitcher: link

#16 Al Zarilla


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:45 PM

NM, redundant.

Actually, hate to waste a post, I changed coffee cups this morning. I had been running with a 2007 Red Sox WS champions one during the mini-streak, but it let me down last night. So, into the dishwasher with it and I used a Celtics cup this morning. Win it for the green!

Edited by Al Zarilla, 22 September 2009 - 12:50 PM.


#17 Steven S. Dallas

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:47 PM

QUOTE (mikeford @ Sep 22 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Greinke's demons in his brain can't be held at bay forever.

Seriously. And while we're on the subject, why are amphetamines illegal in MLB but lithium is not?

Talk about performance-enhancing.


#18 Al Zarilla


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Steven S. Dallas @ Sep 22 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously. And while we're on the subject, why are amphetamines illegal in MLB but lithium is not?

Talk about performance-enhancing.

Come on, Lithium, if anything, can make a person sluggish or drowsy. You could look it up.
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Is it even known that Greinke is on Lithium?


#19 Steven S. Dallas

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE (Al Zarilla @ Sep 22 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it even known that Greinke is on Lithium?


It's known that he's on medication to combat social anxiety disorder. I left my copy of the PDR in my other pair of pants, though, so I'm not sure what the recommended medication is.


#20 amarshal2

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 01:16 PM

What are you guys so afraid of? The Royals are only 15-15 when this chump starts.

http://sports.yahoo....9OpFkf9IBeFCLcF



#21 BellhornsBiatch

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 01:40 PM

QUOTE (Steven S. Dallas @ Sep 22 2009, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's known that he's on medication to combat social anxiety disorder. I left my copy of the PDR in my other pair of pants, though, so I'm not sure what the recommended medication is.

Lithium would be pretty strong.. could be a very low dose if indeed Lithium.. more likely candidates are Xanax or other generic types of alaprozam... also could be another medication in the benzos family like Klonopin

That said, fell asleep last night at 9:30 as if I were taking this type of prescription and woke up this morning to found we lost... WIN.


edit: to clarify xanax is the non generic alaprozam/clarify benzodiazepine family

Edited by BellhornsBiatch, 22 September 2009 - 03:00 PM.


#22 TrapperAB

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 02:07 PM

I am torn -- to destroy Greinke would be to hand the Cy Young to the Spankee FatMan, but to destroy Greinke is to instill fear in the hearts of our enemies.

Okay, I'm not torn at all.

Send the boy back to Bedlam.

AB

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (E5 Yaz @ Sep 22 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing would have pissed the Yankees off more than to a) blow this division lead and b) have to start the ALDS, on the road, against the Angels.

Odds were against the Sox catching them, even with a win last night, but it would have been fun to see them squirm for a few days


Not to mention the very concrete benefit of getting home field advantage throughout the playoffs (I'm always hell bent on winning the division for this reason alone, the Sox are fucking bloodthirsty monsters at home and not so on the road).

I get why Tito doesn't go pedal to the metal... but I wish he would.

#24 Jed Zeppelin


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 02:17 PM

QUOTE (TrapperAB @ Sep 22 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am torn -- to destroy Greinke would be to hand the Cy Young to the Spankee FatMan, but to destroy Greinke is to instill fear in the hearts of our enemies.

Okay, I'm not torn at all.

Send the boy back to Bedlam.

AB


Just remember, every year CC has won the Cy Young the Red Sox have won the World Series.

#25 NomarRS05

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (TrapperAB @ Sep 22 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am torn -- to destroy Greinke would be to hand the Cy Young to the Spankee FatMan, but to destroy Greinke is to instill fear in the hearts of our enemies.

Okay, I'm not torn at all.

Send the boy back to Bedlam.

AB


Remember there's also a good chance Felix Hernandez wins the Cy Young.

Bombs away.

#26 luckysox


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE (BellhornsBiatch @ Sep 22 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lithium would be pretty strong.. could be a very low dose if indeed Lithium.. more likely candidates are Xanax or other generic types of alaprozam... also could be a medication in the benzos family or Klonopin

That said, fell asleep last night at 9:30 as if I were taking this type of prescription and woke up this morning to found we lost... WIN.

Xanex is the brand name of the generic drug alaprozam, and it is a benzo. Klonipin is the brand name of clonazepam, and it is also a benzo.

Lithium is a 3rd line drug for Generalized Anxiety Disorder and would more likely be used if he has Bipolar disorder; he would have had to go through about 20 other med combos before they got to Lithium for anxiety.

I hope he doesn't have a mental breakdown, a serious reaction to meds, or a panic attack on the mound. I hope we beat him just because we can beat him.



#27 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:37 PM

Greinke vs Tek is going to be awesome.


Lineup: Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkilis, Ortiz, Bay, Drew, Varitek, Gonzalez. Byrd. #redsox

#28 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:50 PM

Legend has it Varitek once hit a homerun off Greinke.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Sep 22 2009, 04:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Greinke vs Tek is going to be awesome.


Lineup: Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkilis, Ortiz, Bay, Drew, Varitek, Gonzalez. Byrd. #redsox


1 for 6 with a Homer c070.gif

#30 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (mikeford @ Sep 22 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1 for 6 with a Homer c070.gif

Probably a bunt gone wrong or something.

#31 redsoxedmunds24

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE (SemperFidelisSox @ Sep 22 2009, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Legend has it Varitek once hit a homerun off Greinke.



Someone might want to submit that to mythbusters

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Sep 22 2009, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Greinke vs Tek is going to be awesome.

At very least, it will keep the game moving along.

#33 mikeford


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Sep 22 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably a bunt gone wrong or something.

More likely it was a homer off one of the demons in Greinke's brain, rather than Greinke himself. The demon told him to give up the homer, he had money on the Sox.

#34 mfried

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (C4CRVT @ Sep 22 2009, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because it's fun to look:

Espn batter vs pitcher: link


One significant bit of data there: VICTOR MARTINEZ!

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Return of the Dewey @ Sep 22 2009, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still can't believe they decided to start both Wakefield and Byrd.



Why is this such a surprise? They are sticking with the rotation. The fans want the division victory more than the organization does. Their master plan is to make the playoffs and not overtax guys trying to win the division. If the MFY do a total swandive and the Sox can swoop in, Tito & co. are fine with that but they will not skip guys in the rotation and make the regulars play every game to try to force it.

#36 Yazdog8

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Sep 22 2009, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Greinke vs Tek is going to be awesome.


Lineup: Ellsbury, Pedroia, Martinez, Youkilis, Ortiz, Bay, Drew, Varitek, Gonzalez. Byrd. #redsox


Why is Tek hitting in the 8 spot? Don't pitchers usually hit in the 9 slot? Unless you're playing for Tony LaRussa...

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:06 PM

QUOTE (TrapperAB @ Sep 22 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am torn -- to destroy Greinke would be to hand the Cy Young to the Spankee FatMan, but to destroy Greinke is to instill fear in the hearts of our enemies.

Okay, I'm not torn at all.

Send the boy back to Bedlam.

AB



The Sox face CC again too. They could also rip him a new a'hole. At any rate I don't care if CC wins the individual awards. Shit, Dustin won the MVP last year and the Sox didn't even win the ALCS. Our guys would rather go to the World Series than win the individual awards.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Yazdog8 @ Sep 22 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why is Tek hitting in the 8 spot? Don't pitchers usually hit in the 9 slot? Unless you're playing for Tony LaRussa...



I've been trying to figure this out for a while. It's pretty obvious A-Gon is a better hitter now than Tek.

#39 Harry Agganis

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Steven S. Dallas @ Sep 22 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's known that he's on medication to combat social anxiety disorder. I left my copy of the PDR in my other pair of pants, though, so I'm not sure what the recommended medication is.


Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or serotonin-specific reuptake inhibitor[1] (SSRIs) are a class of compounds typically used as antidepressants in the treatment of depression, anxiety disorders, and some personality disorders. They are also typically effective and used in treating premature ejaculation problems as well as some cases of insomnia.
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From Psychiatry (peer reviewed journal)

Another reason to involve psychiatric consultation in professional sports stems from recent reports that antidepressant drugs have been implicated as performance-enhancement agents. It is now well known that the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are recognized as first-line treatment for anxiety disorders and their various subtypes.[12] Additionally, a selective serotonin-norepinephrine re-uptake inhibitor (SNRI), such as venflaxine, also has received approval for generalized anxiety disorders. Although this situation may sound counterintuitive or even absurd, consider the hypothetical example of a professional athlete who is anxious by nature but does not meet DSM criteria for an anxiety disorder. If this athlete is regularly competing on a public stage, he is likely to experience more anxiety than if working daily at a desk job. The more patients are symptomatic, the more aggressively physicians treat them. Are these athletes being given an unfair advantage if they can biologically increase their capacity to calmly compete in high-stress competition, even if the medication used is permitted? If so, who is ethically responsible to define this subtle issue and enforce fair policy? It seems that the burden falls less on the athlete, who is likely to be naÔve to these implications, and more on the clinical experts who create policy with each sportís governing body.


#40 TheYellowDart5


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:15 PM

Francona starting Varitek against the best pitcher in baseball is a pretty clear sign that there isn't going to be a division push of any sort.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:20 PM

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My thought: that sucks, you should.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (Al Zarilla @ Sep 22 2009, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Come on, Lithium, if anything, can make a person sluggish or drowsy. You could look it up.
- Yogi

Is it even known that Greinke is on Lithium?

I thought Lithium was phased out years ago in favor of Prozac and Zoloft and the like.


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (mikeford @ Sep 22 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My thought: that sucks, you should.

My thought: Manny told her that.

#44 Brianish

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:27 PM

I'll have a hard time getting worked up if we lose to Greinke. He's too good a story.

Edit - Having said that, I won't exactly be disappointed with a win.

Edited by Brianish, 22 September 2009 - 04:28 PM.


#45 judyb

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE (TheYellowDart5 @ Sep 22 2009, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Francona starting Varitek against the best pitcher in baseball is a pretty clear sign that there isn't going to be a division push of any sort.

I'd hate to waste a Victor catching day on Byrd, though. Save it for someone he needs to get to know better before the playoffs.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:43 PM

I have decided Francona puts Gonzo last because he has a chance of getting on in front of the .300 hitter Ellsbury. Also, Tek is so slow that he just clogs up the basepaths.

#47 DieHardSoxFan1


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:48 PM

Let me get this straight. We're afraid of a pitcher with 14 wins? Pfft.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (C4CRVT @ Sep 22 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Damon's comments the other day took me by surprise mostly because I haven't been taking thoughts about the division very seriously.

What did the Noodle say?




#49 Al Zarilla


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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:50 PM

QUOTE (RingoOSU @ Sep 22 2009, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought Lithium was phased out years ago in favor of Prozac and Zoloft and the like.

Not sure, but I think those are more for the low phase of bipolar disorders. Lithium has classically been used for the highs and then maintenance or stabilization. Any psychiatrists in the house? Anyway, we're getting Greinke, no matter what he's on, and he's good. I'd like to see him and compare him to, say, Tim Lincecum, but no TV for me. MLB Network doesn't have it, nor do any of the other national networks that I can see. Must suck to play for KC or Pittsburgh.


#50 Doctor G

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 04:52 PM

Byrd is a monster in Kansas City.