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9/15: Halladay vs. Mitre


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#51 chris719

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:03 PM

Melancon has hit a lot of batters in a short period of time, the guy needs to cut it out. Unfortunately, I think none of them were intentional, it just looks like his command sucks.

#52 jon abbey


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:08 PM

I've been pushing for him to get a shot for a long time now, but Melancon has shown me very little at the MLB level so far, pretty disappointing.

#53 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:10 PM

It gets even better on the tenth viewing. Cito Gaston pushing Edwar. Jose Molina wrestling with Barajas. A-Rod doing everything he can to avoid getting involved. Jeter backing away. Just great stuff.

#54 ypioca

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:12 PM

Video?

#55 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:14 PM

Here's a really crappy version of it. I'm sure it will be up on MLB.com soon.


Edited by SemperFidelisSox, 15 September 2009 - 10:15 PM.


#56 ypioca

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:17 PM

Awesomeness. Posada's such a gargantuan clown.

#57 ypioca

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:19 PM

QUOTE (StuckOnYouk @ Sep 16 2009, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
5 behind in the loss column with 3 still to play in the new stadium.<br /><br />Is this comeback/collapse really possible?
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Nevermind.

Edited by ypioca, 15 September 2009 - 10:20 PM.


#58 Trlicek's Whip

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:24 PM

QUOTE (jon abbey @ Sep 15 2009, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So much for that. Shocking that Mitre versus Halladay ended up badly. I don't even mind Mitre getting another start or two, but there is no reason Edwar Ramirez should ever pitch in pinstripes again. Maybe he can be the Phillies' closer? smile.gif
If you had to choose. I mean, had to. Cody Ransom or Edwar Ramirez?

#59 strek1

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (StuckOnYouk @ Sep 15 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
5 behind in the loss column with 3 still to play in the new stadium.

Is this comeback/collapse really possible?



Even if it were possible I doubt you'd see either team knock themselves out in the last couple of weeks since one will win the division and the other will get the wildcard.

#60 bosockboy


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:33 PM

Too bad Howie Clark isn't still on the Jays. He could have nailed Arod and yelled "Ha."

#61 bosockboy


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (strek1 @ Sep 15 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if it were possible I doubt you'd see either team knock themselves out in the last couple of weeks since one will win the division and the other will get the wildcard.


Sending the Yanks to Anaheim is more or less ending their season.

#62 normstalls

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:38 PM

Roid rage for Posada.

What a douche

#63 StuckOnYouk

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:39 PM

Which is why it is VERY important for the Yankees to hold on to the division. The Sox have beaten the Angels in a lot of big spots before.



#64 strek1

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:47 PM

QUOTE (bosockboy @ Sep 15 2009, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sending the Yanks to Anaheim is more or less ending their season.



Yes but the Sox won't go all out to make this happen. Because if they did and came up short they might screw themselves up heading into the postseason. They will coast if they can near the end - it's their philosophy. (IMO)

#65 jon abbey


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Trlicek's Whip @ Sep 15 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you had to choose. I mean, had to. Cody Ransom or Edwar Ramirez?


Like Solomon, I choose to cut them both in half.


#66 jon abbey


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 10:55 PM

QUOTE (bosockboy @ Sep 15 2009, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sending the Yanks to Anaheim is more or less ending their season.


Do you genuinely believe this?


#67 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 15 September 2009 - 11:34 PM

Despite the antics of Posada and Carlson, they still don't win the coveted Douchedbag of the Night award. That honor goes to the asshole fan who threw a bottle at homepalte umpire Derryl Cousins during the brawl and forced him to leave the game.

Stay classy New York.

#68 Doctor G

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 11:51 PM

QUOTE (normstalls @ Sep 15 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Roid rage for Posada.

What a douche


Posada is a fraud. first he chickens out on blocking the plate on Swisher's throw. Then he precipitates a brawl on a pitch that didn't even hit him.

He might look tough to the fans, but I'm sure the Blue Jays are laughing in their locker room.

#69 StuckOnYouk

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Posted 15 September 2009 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (SemperFidelisSox @ Sep 16 2009, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Despite the antics of Posada and Carlson, they still don't win the coveted Douchedbag of the Night award. That honor goes to the asshole fan who threw a bottle at homepalte umpire Derryl Cousins during the brawl and forced him to leave the game.

Stay classy New York.


Better then when they threw a knife at Wally Joyner

#70 graffam198


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (SemperFidelisSox @ Sep 15 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bob Watson just suspended Beckett & Lester.



Wow. Thank you for that. Hilarious.

#71 CaptainLaddie


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:16 AM

QUOTE (SemperFidelisSox @ Sep 15 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bob Watson just suspended Beckett & Lester.

Seriously, this is the funniest thing I've read on this site in a long time.

#72 The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 01:18 AM

QUOTE (SemperFidelisSox @ Sep 15 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bob Watson just suspended Beckett & Lester.

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thank you for that. alas it's not far from the truth...

#73 Walpole Joe's Neighbor

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 04:45 AM

I can't believe nobody mentioned Posada pushing Jim Joyce to get to Carlson. That's alone is gonna get him more games than Carlson.

#74 bosockboy


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 06:30 AM

QUOTE (jon abbey @ Sep 15 2009, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you genuinely believe this?


It's not automatic obviously, but the Yanks haven't beaten the Angels in anything meaningful this decade and just absolutely get owned in that stadium out there, including the 3 game sweep this year before the ASB. I'd be as confident in the Angels beating the Yanks as I would in us beating the Angels, which is a lot.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 08:42 AM

QUOTE (bosockboy @ Sep 16 2009, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not automatic obviously, but the Yanks haven't beaten the Angels in anything meaningful this decade and just absolutely get owned in that stadium out there, including the 3 game sweep this year before the ASB. I'd be as confident in the Angels beating the Yanks as I would in us beating the Angels, which is a lot.


This version of the Yankees is the best one yet this decade, and has won five out of six from the Angels in NY. I get that under your scenario, the Angels would have home field, but let's see how their series in LA goes this week.


#76 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 08:50 AM

God it's just too easy to hate the Yankees. Their annual first round bounce should be especially fun this year.



#77 Phranchise

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 08:54 AM

QUOTE (Foulkey Reese @ Sep 16 2009, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
God it's just too easy to hate the Yankees. Their annual first round bounce should be especially fun this year.


We felt the same way about the Sox when your boy threw his helmet at an unsuspecting 20 year old.

#78 Trlicek's Whip

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (Phranchise @ Sep 16 2009, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
20 year old.
I'm not supposed to be more sympathetic because he's not old enough to drink, am I? Lol boo hoo.
QUOTE (Phranchise @ Sep 16 2009, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unsuspecting
If you mean the helmet throw was a surprise, sure. If not, your point is woof. Porcello wasn't cold-cocked in an alley outside a townie bar. He was obviously trying to drill someone, failed with Victor Martinez, and immediately settled for Youkilis.

#79 Phranchise

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE (Trlicek's Whip @ Sep 16 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not supposed to be more sympathetic because he's not old enough to drink, am I? Lol boo hoo.If you mean the helmet throw was a surprise, sure. If not, your point is woof. Porcello wasn't cold-cocked in an alley outside a townie bar. He was obviously trying to drill someone, failed with Victor Martinez, and immediately settled for Youkilis.


I was just going off Porcello's reaction when he saw Youk headed towards him. He looked confused before he body slammed him.

#80 mt8thsw9th


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Phranchise @ Sep 16 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just going off Porcello's reaction when he saw Youk headed towards him. He looked confused before he body slammed him.


As they call it, "acting".

#81 Snodgrass'Muff


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 11:58 AM

QUOTE (Phranchise @ Sep 16 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just going off Porcello's reaction when he saw Youk headed towards him. He looked confused before he body slammed him.


You're seriously arguing that Porcello didn't think it was possible he might get charged for drilling Youks? Really?

Wow...

#82 Zen

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE (StuckOnYouk @ Sep 15 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
5 behind in the loss column with 3 still to play in the new stadium.

Is this comeback/collapse really possible?

No.

If NY goes 8-8 from here on out, the Sox need to go 16-3 to tie them.
If NY goes 6-10 from here on out, they need to go 14-5 to tie them.
If NY goes 4-12 from here on out, they need to go 12-7 to tie them.

You get the idea. Even if you think the Yanks will finish out below .500, expecting the Sox to play +.700 ball is unlikely.

#83 Phranchise

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Snodgrass'Muff @ Sep 16 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're seriously arguing that Porcello didn't think it was possible he might get charged for drilling Youks? Really?

Wow...


How much time elapsed between the second the ball hit Youk and the race to the mound? Three seconds? I don't think he thought anything except "Oh Shit" in those three seconds.

#84 ScotianSox

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Zen @ Sep 16 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No.

If NY goes 8-8 from here on out, the Sox need to go 16-3 to tie them.
If NY goes 6-10 from here on out, they need to go 14-5 to tie them.
If NY goes 4-12 from here on out, they need to go 12-7 to tie them.

You get the idea. Even if you think the Yanks will finish out below .500, expecting the Sox to play +.700 ball is unlikely.



If the Sox sweep (in the head-to-head games) this reduces to:

If NY goes 8-5 from here on out, the Sox need to go 13-3 to tie them.
If NY goes 6-7 from here on out, they need to go 11-5 to tie them.
If NY goes 4-9 from here on out, they need to go 9-7 to tie them.

in the others.

It's still not very likely, but I think you are overestimating the rarity of playing .700+ ball over three weeks (e.g. they've played .730 baseball over the previous 26 games).

Edited by ScotianSox, 16 September 2009 - 12:17 PM.


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE (ScotianSox @ Sep 16 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If the Sox sweep (in the head-to-head games) this reduces to:

If NY goes 8-5 from here on out, the Sox need to go 13-3 to tie them.
If NY goes 6-7 from here on out, they need to go 11-5 to tie them.
If NY goes 4-9 from here on out, they need to go 9-7 to tie them.

in the others.

It's still not very likely, but I think you are overestimating the rarity of playing .700+ ball over three weeks (e.g. they've played .730 baseball over the previous 26 games).

I'm not overestimating anything. The rarity is not playing .700 ball. It's expecting them to play .700 ball while the Yanks play sub-.500 ball.

You're assuming a sweep in your example. That's a fairly big if. And you admit that it's still not very likely even if they DO sweep.

I should amend my previous statement. Of course it's possible... I just don't think it's very likely at all. Like, "not even worth the bother to hope for, so why ask?" level of possible.

#86 mt8thsw9th


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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:31 PM

Regarding the brawl, word is Jorge Posada wants to wash his hands of this, with pee.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (Phranchise @ Sep 16 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How much time elapsed between the second the ball hit Youk and the race to the mound? Three seconds? I don't think he thought anything except "Oh Shit" in those three seconds.


You claimed Porcello was an "unsuspecting 20 year old" when Youks charged him. How does him thinking "Oh shit..." back up that claim? And that's assuming your ability to read his mind is without question, which it isn't.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Snodgrass'Muff @ Sep 16 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're seriously arguing that Porcello didn't think it was possible he might get charged for drilling Youks? Really?

Wow...

"Didn't think it was possible" and "taken by surprise" are not mutually exclusive positions.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Snodgrass'Muff @ Sep 16 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You claimed Porcello was an "unsuspecting 20 year old" when Youks charged him. How does him thinking "Oh shit..." back up that claim? And that's assuming your ability to read his mind is without question, which it isn't.


I'm going to drop this. You looked too deep into my original post. Foulkey said how easy it was too hate the Yanks, and as a Yankee fan, I was just saying that we felt the same way when we watched Youk charge Porcello.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:53 PM

If you try to hit a batter and fail to do so, then plunk the very next guy and aren't prepared to be charged, you're a grade-A moron. Nevermind that phranchise's argument is nothing more than reactionary Yanks/Sox BS because people were ripping on Posada for being a douche last night. This entire tangent is ridiculous and actually has no relevance to the topic, so I'm done with it.

#91 Zen

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Snodgrass'Muff @ Sep 16 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you try to hit a batter and fail to do so, then plunk the very next guy and aren't prepared to be charged, you're a grade-A moron.

And this is somehow different from your opinion of the intelligence of nearly all professional baseball players?