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[jon abbey]

NY starts a two game series with Toronto in which they're starting Mitre and Gaudin. Tonight it's Mitre, who got abused by Toronto last week (9 ERs in 4.1 innings) against Halladay, who dominated NY ten days ago, throwing a one-hit shutout.

Melky sits in favor of Gardner, the rest of the lineup is intact. NY has a six game lead on Boston in the loss column with 17 to play, which is comfortable but also still potentially squanderable despite no one seeming to think that's possible, they need to keep winning games (or Boston needs to lose some, either way).

YANKEES (93-52)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Gardner CF

Pitching: RHP Sergio Mitre (3-2, 7.02).

BLUE JAYS (65-79)
Scutaro SS
Hill 2B
Lind DH
Wells CF
Overbay 1B
Encarnacion 3B
Barajas C
Bautista RF
Snider LF

Pitching: RHP Roy Halladay (14-9, 3.03)

[SemperFidelisSox]

Pettitte being skipped until Monday because of shoulder fatigue.

[ItOnceWasMyLife]

Pettitte being skipped until Monday because of shoulder fatigue.

Link
http://www.newsday.c...tigue-1.1450512

[SemperFidelisSox]

The Yankees will end up winning both games anyway.

[aichtal]

To paraphrase Mr. Nipper: "If the Yanks could win a MITRE vs. Halladay game then I think this means this season is theirs. "-AlNipper49, 7/4/09 vis a vis aichtal 9/15/09

Not to get ahead of myself, but I'm (pleasantly) surprised already at the number of hits and the 2 runs. Odds of Mitre giving up fewer than 2......?

[SemperFidelisSox]

Mitre outdueling Halladay. Brett Gardner driving in runs. Yup, sounds about right.

[aichtal]

Not to get ahead of myself, but I'm (pleasantly) surprised already at the number of hits and the 2 runs. Odds of Mitre giving up fewer than 2......?

Slim.

[Trlicek's Whip]

How many outs are there?

[aichtal]

Man Swisher really misplayed that one.

[aichtal]

Wasted chance, Arod is too slow to be sent there.

[Trlicek's Whip]

Vintage Mitre.

[aichtal]

Everyone of these guys is swinging from the heels right now.

[Trlicek's Whip]

Vintage Mitre. Chase Wright.

[SemperFidelisSox]

Maybe one more inning for Halladay.

[aichtal]

Maybe one more inning for Halladay.

Why bother at this point?

[strek1]

Come on - where's the brawl?

[TheShynessClinic]

Come on - where's the brawl?

What happened?

[Sprowl]

What happened?

It's on, biotches. Even the bullpens are running in. Rooting for the body count...

[strek1]

It's on, biotches. Even the bullpens are running in. Rooting for the body count...

Too bad no body count. Girardi with the mouse (haha)

[jon abbey]

Wow, that was crazy. People were throwing roundhouses.

[TheShynessClinic]

Can someone please give some details?

[scotian1]

No class Posada!

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Can someone please give some details?

Been talking about it in the Sox thread. Essentially, Carlson threw behind Posada, Posada got pissed but nothing happened. He draws a walk and eventually scores. As he crosses home plate, he clips Carlson with an elbow, Carlson shouts at him (looked like "fuck you!" or something close to it), and Posada flips out and charges him. Lots of punches thrown, probably a substantial suspension for Posada.

[strek1]

Can someone please give some details?

Carlson threw BEHIND Posada (Possible payback for Hill getting hit) and benches clear but nothing happens. Later.. Posada ends up on base and scores. After scoring he runs past carlson and bumps him. Carlson whirls and says Fuck you... etc etc..
All hell breaks loose.

[pedro1918]

Been talking about it in the Sox thread. Essentially, Carlson threw behind Posada, Posada got pissed but nothing happened. He draws a walk and eventually scores. As he crosses home plate, he clips Carlson with an elbow, Carlson shouts at him (looked like "fuck you!" or something close to it), and Posada flips out and charges him. Lots of punches thrown, probably a substantial suspension for Posada.

You forgot that Melancon drilled Hill the inning before Carlson threw at Posada.

[scotian1]

Yankees had hit 2 Blue Jay hitters in this game and in the 8th, Posada was brushed back by Carlson. He then got a base hit and ended up scoring. As he crossed home plate he threw an elbow at Carlson's head who was backing up the catcher.

[bankshot1]

Essentially, Carlson threw behind Posada

in retaliation for Hill getting nailed in the back in the top of the inning.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Yankees had hit 2 Blue Jay hitters in this game and in the 8th, Posada was brushed back by Carlson. He then got a base hit and ended up scoring. As he crossed home plate he threw an elbow at Carlson's head who was backing up the catcher.

Is this a parody or intentionally off? Because that's really not how it happened at all.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

You forgot that Melancon drilled Hill the inning before Carlson threw at Posada.

Yeah, I was only talking about this half of the inning. Didn't see the Hill HBP, so I didn't feel comfortable commenting on it. Tough to say if it was intentional without any context... though Kay insists that it wasn't so it probably was.

[pedro1918]

Is this a parody or intentionally off? Because that's really not how it happened at all.

Yeah, Posada actually pulled a knife on Carlson.

[scotian1]

Carlson has a sizeable welt on his head from being hit in the pileup. Giardi's style one of these days is going to come back to haunt them.

[StuckOnYouk]

Joe Girardi is such an absolute clown. He's become such a huge caricature. It's really comical that the Yankee fanbase drinks his shit up, the Torre vs. Girardi tough guy thing, etc. even though his toughness did nothing last year.

He loves his pitchers to throw at people, he probably secretly loves that he has a pitcher who in a short period of time has become known as the premier head hunter in the game, going after big time players in the division like Youkilis and Longoria.

And then you see him in the middle of this scrum immediately as if someone DARED challenge his team in a beaning contest. His comments after Penny finally beaned someone after Boston hitters had been hammered by Yankee pitching over the first two months of the year were comical. He has lost all semblance of reality.

Regardless of whether or not Hill was drilled on purpose, I have no doubt it is Girardi's reputation which makes opposing managers such as Cito or others thinking the instructions come fast and furioius from Girardi. He's just lucky he hasn't really run into a pitcher yet who has done a good job of squaring up on his all-star hitters.

[Trlicek's Whip]

Well, you know, the Yankees have to protect their pitchers, especially when they vomit up lines like Mitre's. To be fair, they were pretty listless and mentally lax, so maybe this woke them up.

Back under .500 since Jeterian broke Lou's record.

[strek1]

Yankees had hit 2 Blue Jay hitters in this game and in the 8th, Posada was brushed back by Carlson. He then got a base hit and ended up scoring. As he crossed home plate he threw an elbow at Carlson's head who was backing up the catcher.

I'm no MFY apologist but I didn't think Posada threw an elbow at his head. Carlson was also out of position. He made it easy to have a close encounter with Posada. My take is they were itching for eachother.
This too will pass.

[jon abbey]

Carlson should probably be suspended just as long as Posada, no reason he needed to be anywhere near home plate there, and who knows if anything was said before they made contact. With no play at the plate, Posada is the one with the right to that space.

One batter away from a save situation, keep it going, Damon.

[Timlin93]

Yanks and Jays traded a bunch of bean balls in their last series, Randy Ruiz took one in the face. This was coming.

[jon abbey]

So much for that. Shocking that Mitre versus Halladay ended up badly. I don't even mind Mitre getting another start or two, but there is no reason Edwar Ramirez should ever pitch in pinstripes again. Maybe he can be the Phillies' closer?

[SemperFidelisSox]

Go back and watch a replay of the brawl and keep your eyes on Shelly Duncan.

[strek1]

That was odd. Cano going WAY out into right to catch the popup. Almost colliding with Swisher and then they said nothing to each other. Cano looked disgusted but he was way out of his area on that one.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Carlson should probably be suspended just as long as Posada, no reason he needed to be anywhere near home plate there, and who knows if anything was said before they made contact. With no play at the plate, Posada is the one with the right to that space.

One batter away from a save situation, keep it going, Damon.

A right to the space? Sure. A right to make contact with Carlson? Not at all.

[jon abbey]

That was odd. Cano going WAY out into right to catch the popup. Almost colliding with Swisher and then they said nothing to each other. Cano looked disgusted but he was way out of his area on that one.

He and Tex have trouble sometimes too, he covers a lot of ground and doesn't seem to communicate so well on the way.

[StuckOnYouk]

Carlson should probably be suspended just as long as Posada, no reason he needed to be anywhere near home plate there, and who knows if anything was said before they made contact. With no play at the plate, Posada is the one with the right to that space.

This all could have been prevented if Posada had taken the ball that didn't hit him and wasn't at his head and moved on. He should know by now that the reputation of his manager and some of his pitchers is going to cause retaliation when someone like Aaron Hill is hit in a game that the Jays are pounding the Yankees.

It's the Girardi Way^TM

[strek1]

Vernon Wells - Overpaid POS

[jon abbey]

A right to the space? Sure. A right to make contact with Carlson? Not at all.

I didn't see a great replay angle, but it looked as if Carlson was pretty much right on the plate. Under the circumstances, and especially if he said something (no idea), Carlson is at least as much at fault IMO, that's all I'm saying. I would give them equal suspensions, maybe 3 games.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Go back and watch a replay of the brawl and keep your eyes on Shelly Duncan.

I'm pretty sure he's responsible for Girardi's swollen eye, lol.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

I didn't see a great replay angle, but it looked as if Carlson was pretty much right on the plate. Under the circumstances, and especially if he said something (no idea), Carlson is at least as much at fault IMO, that's all I'm saying. I would give them equal suspensions, maybe 3 games.

I'd guess more for Posada. Carlson wasn't on top of the plate, but he was still closer than he should have been while backing up the play. Posada had to reach slightly to get his elbow to him and was clearly trying to start a confrontation. Carlson probably wasn't too disappointed that it started either.

Posada will get at least as many games as Youkilis got for charging the mound, if not more.

[SemperFidelisSox]

This all started last week when the two teams played each other up in Toronto. Gaudin hit a few guys, and then I think Cecil hit Melky and Texerira the next night. There were like 10 HBP in the four game series between the two teams.

[StuckOnYouk]

I didn't see a great replay angle, but it looked as if Carlson was pretty much right on the plate. Under the circumstances, and especially if he said something (no idea), Carlson is at least as much at fault IMO, that's all I'm saying. I would give them equal suspensions, maybe 3 games.

Nothing was said by Carlson. You'll see when you watch the replay again.

[StuckOnYouk]

5 behind in the loss column with 3 still to play in the new stadium.

Is this comeback/collapse really possible?

[SemperFidelisSox]

Bob Watson just suspended Beckett & Lester.