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[cmurphycode]

Maybe he just wasn't feeling the fastball during warmups?

Perhaps. Don't get me wrong- I'm loving the results. It just reminds me of pre-meltdown Buchholz. No matter how good his offspeed stuff is, he still needs to throw the fastball...

http://brooksbasebal...mp;prevDate=913

17 fastballs against 19 offspeed, or 18 fastballs including 2 seamers, 18 offspeed. That's actually more fastballs than I thought.


I do love seeing Clay not panic on the plays he has to make. Awesome play there.

[joelmon]

yeah, it's kind of like dropping a pop-up with two outs in the ninth and the winning run on base.

Edit: should add a or something

Oh, I am the worst fan of all, trust me. How about losing a game because you score but miss 3rd base! (Ryan Church)

So far he "looks" (gameday) pretty damn good. I'm curious to see what kind of a pitcher he can become
if he is allowed to use his curveball more. So far, with the change-up working, he is damn near unbeatable.

[Sprowl]

I'm loving Clay's stuff today, but he seems to be up to his old tricks- all offspeed stuff. worrying, or just part of the game plan?

I'm loving Clay's fielding today -- very poised, and he's not falling off the mound to the 1B side.

18 fastballs, 18 offspeed: looks like a good mix for him so far, although he's gotten some stingy treatment from the umpire.

[ngruz25]

Am I the only one who thinks that Buchholz doesn't get to that ball a year ago? He seems calm and in charge now.

[phragle]

Buchholz's changeup is irresistible today.

Its even better than his 8/29 change up so far.

[syoo8]

With all the spitting that Garza does, followed by wiping his mouth with the jersey, he should wear a fucking bib. Disgusting.

[Pearl Wilson]

I wonder if JWH's wife will vet his blog before it's published.

[ivanvamp]

When Buch isnt spazzing out he really is very athletic

Just saw this at rotoworld.com:
"Bob Elliot of the Toronto Sun reports that the Red Sox offered the Blue Jays six pitchers for Roy Halladay at the trading deadline.
The names: Daniel Bard, Michael Bowden, Clay Buchholz, Felix Doubront, Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson. That's quite an impressive array of names, and it's shocking Toronto didn't snap it up. The scout that revealed this deal said the Jays had difficulty projecting Masterson's future, and -- probably most important --- "the Jays were worried about Halladay beating them next year." Obviously, Masterson and Hagadone are no longer with the Sox club so it's unlikely a deal could be reached in the offseason. If it's going to take more than that package to land Halladay, GM J.P. Ricciardi won't find any takers."

Holy smokes. Bard, Bowden, Buchholz, etc., for Halladay? I think Halladay is great, but Clay has been great, Bard is a stud, and moving Masterson/Hagadone allowed us to get VMart. So, in other words, I'm *really* glad that JP didn't take that offer.

[mikeford]

That is basically every one of our top pitching prospects except Kelly and Pimental.

[radsoxfan]

18 fastballs, 18 offspeed: looks like a good mix for him so far, although he's gotten some stingy treatment from the umpire.

I agree. If there is ever a pitcher who should only be throwing his fastball about half the time it's Clay. Its not a bad pitch, but with 3 other good offspeed pitches, he is not pitching to his strengths if he throws 60-70% fastballs. I think the 50/50 ratio is just about right where he should be.

Edited by radsoxfan, 13 September 2009 - 11:56 AM.

[Jed Zeppelin]

There's no way that's true unless they planned to immediately sign Doc to an extension.

Edited by Jed Zeppelin, 13 September 2009 - 11:57 AM.

[Bellhorn]

Holy smokes. Bard, Bowden, Buchholz, etc., for Halladay? I think Halladay is great, but Clay has been great, Bard is a stud, and moving Masterson/Hagadone allowed us to get VMart. So, in other words, I'm *really* glad that JP didn't take that offer.

There's, like, less than zero chance that that actually happened.

[radsoxfan]

There's, like, less than zero chance that that actually happened.

If you believe multiple different media reports, it did happen

[phragle]

There's, like, less than zero chance that that actually happened.

right.

[OrlandoMerced]

There's, like, less than zero chance that that actually happened.

but, but, but... it was in a newspaper. It has to be true!

[The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa]

Just saw this at rotoworld.com:
"Bob Elliot of the Toronto Sun reports that the Red Sox offered the Blue Jays six pitchers for Roy Halladay at the trading deadline.
The names: Daniel Bard, Michael Bowden, Clay Buchholz, Felix Doubront, Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson.

No way that's true, not all six pitchers. It's probably the media floating an absurd story like that in order to make JP look even stupider than he has already looked all by himself.

[judyb]

But they only offered 5 for Felix? No.

[Bellhorn]

Awfully rare to see three consecutive called strikes in the same at-bat. Crawford must have been sitting on something offspeed.

[TheShynessClinic]

There's no way that's true unless they planned to immediately sign Doc to an extension.

And we were getting Scutaro as well.

[Ananti]

If Theo actually made that offer, JP is an idiot for not taking it.

[Papi's fan]

With the real Clay Buchholz pitching all the Sox need is a run or two. It's in the bag.

Edited by Papi's fan, 13 September 2009 - 12:02 PM.

[TheShynessClinic]

If Theo actually made that offer, JP is an idiot for not taking it.

If Theo actually made that offer, Theo is an idiot for making it.

[Max Power]

If you believe multiple different media reports, it did happen

Are all of those media reports based off the same source?

[Ananti]

If Theo actually made that offer, Theo is an idiot for making it.

That too.

[phragle]

But they only offered 5 for Felix? No.

yeah, the King is much more valuable then the Doc.

[Rasputin]

If you believe multiple different media reports, it did happen

One media report referenced by seventeen others isn't multiple different media reports.

Also, it's bullshit.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Are all of those media reports based off the same source?

You mean to tell us that Rotoworld and MLBTradeRumors are not real sources?

[Bellhorn]

If you believe multiple different media reports, it did happen

When those multiple media reports contradict the notion that two major-league GMs (one of whom we have good reason to believe is actually good at his job) have even 0.00001% of the mental capacity required to do the job, then no, I don't believe them. Not to mention that those multiple media reports are probably all ultimately based on the same source, and the fact that all kinds of BS regarding trade discussions gets floated every year.....

[Synovia]

And we were getting Scutaro as well.

Still wouldn't be enough. The Jays wouldn't let them talk to halladay, so they'd have to assume they couldn't sign him to an extension.

[radsoxfan]

Are all of those media reports based off the same source?

Um, I suppose. Isn't that what usually happens when multiple media outlets report the same thing though?

[Doooweeeey!]

11 pitch inning. Nice.

[brimac]

Buchholz threw 11 pitches in that inning -- and eight of them were fastballs.

That's what you call a "Keeping them honest" inning.

(Edit: I count like a first-grader.)

Edited by brimac, 13 September 2009 - 12:05 PM.

[SumnerH]

Um, I suppose. Isn't that what usually happens when multiple media outlets report the same thing though?

No, that's just one media source. Usually in the case of real info, you get multiple media outlets reporting from primary sources.

Notice the difference between CNN stories about breaking news that say "The AP is reporting that...." vs. "CNN confirms that....".

[Trlicek's Whip]

But they only offered 5 for Felix? No.

Agreed. This has to be a game of "telephone" where by the end of the communication stream, it became "everyone for Halladay." I see all of those names being in the back-and-forths, or even a Theo menu of "pick any 4-5 of these six," but the fact that there are no position players makes me skeptical that this is valid.

I also agree that Scutaro or someone else had to have been coming back for this to be half-baked noise, instead of utter horseshit.

[Savin Hillbilly]

Awfully rare to see three consecutive called strikes in the same at-bat.

But not unheard of.

[joelmon]

Can somebody remind me why the Twins gave up Matt Garza? Was it due to his immaturity and refusal to listen to the coaches? He always had plus stuff and they needed to keep an arm like that.

[Bellhorn]

Um, I suppose. Isn't that what usually happens when multiple media outlets report the same thing though?

Exactly. So probably some idiot executive somewhere in the league either misunderstood something, or embellished it because he enjoys telling stories.

I guess it's remotely possible that Theo said something like: "you can have three pitchers - either Buchholz or Bard, either Masterson or Bowden, and either Hagadone or Doubront" and this got wildly exaggerated somewhere along the line to the point that all six pitchers were being offered.

FTR, I still think that would be a stupid offer for Theo to make and JP to reject, but at least it's remotely within the realm of possibility.

[cmurphycode]

Buchholz threw 11 pitches in that inning -- and eight of them were fastballs.

That's what you call a "Keeping them honest" inning.

(Edit: I count like a first-grader.)

Exactly. I like that a lot. Now they can't wait on the changeup or curve...should be very effective.

[Doooweeeey!]

Buchholz threw 11 pitches in that inning -- and eight of them were fastballs.

That's what you call a "Keeping them honest" inning.

(Edit: I count like a first-grader.)

I agree. Especially the Crawford at bat.
"You must respect my fastball, gentlmen."

[phragle]

the slider just rapes Bay

[Bellhorn]

Can somebody remind me why the Twins gave up Matt Garza? Was it due to his immaturity and refusal to listen to the coaches? He always had plus stuff and they needed to keep an arm like that.

I guess it was because they had pretty good pitching depth in their organization, and really needed a bat. Still a bad deal, since they pretty clearly overrated Young, but I think that was the thought process.

[Doooweeeey!]

Not exactly helping their cause against Garza, though....

[radsoxfan]

No, that's just one media source. Usually in the case of real info, you get multiple media outlets reporting from primary sources.

Notice the difference between CNN stories about breaking news that say "The AP is reporting that...." vs. "CNN confirms that....".

Right . . . but for example CNN can talk to person X and get a story. And then Fox can also hear from person X and get the same info, they have both confirmed the story independently.

For example, Peter Gammons and Ken Rosenthal can talk to the same front office person and get a story. It's still form one source, but they arent just reporting that another media outlet has a story.

Edited by radsoxfan, 13 September 2009 - 12:11 PM.

[MakMan44]

56 pitches for Garza though 4, and 48 for Clay. I could see extra innings unless Garza breaks down

[Max Power]

Angel Hernandez is fired up!

[Foulkey Reese]

This John Henry blog is already annoying me.

[Foulkey Reese]

Angel Hernandez is fired up!

That was some MAJOR showboating.

[strek1]

56 pitches for Garza though 4, and 48 for Clay. I could see extra innings unless Garza breaks down

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Rasputin]

Hey, did you hear that John Henry is gonna blog?

[TheShynessClinic]

Clay is working very quickly on the mound. He's got a good pace going on.

I remember a lot of people earlier in the year when he was struggling saying that he needed to increase his pace like Lester did when he finally put it all together.

Well now Clay is dealing, and he's moving along pretty quickly.

So is he pitching well because he's moving quickly, or is he moving quickly because he's pitching well?