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[John Dopson]

According to Amorosino on WHDH Crisp broke his hand on the left knuckle yesterday. Out about a month. Nothing on redsox.com about this.

Edited by 941827, 20 April 2006 - 06:54 PM.

[god loves the sox]

I don't like that news. He's off to a nice start. I guess it's better now than Sept.

[gcapalbo]

MLB story dated just before 2pm says 'jammed left finger'

http://mlb.mlb.com/N...t=.jsp&c_id=mlb

I hope as I'm sure all do that WHDH is wrong.

[SoxScout]

At least Stern is swinging the bat well. Still horrible news.

[berstch]

If true does this mean that Stern is the everyday center fielder for the next month? He looked good today, but I would prefer to see WMP in the lineup instead.

[Clemente38]

There is a quote from Coco on the Redsox.com about how it swelled up after the game but there was no pain and they didn't even xray it. The entire article is about how it wasn't a big deal.

If this is true, they must have done the extra today after the game. Hope WHDH has this one wrong, and at most it is a finger, a month sounds like a long time for a knuckle.

[CR67dream]

The old article on Redsox.com says Crisp originally said x-rays weren't necessary.

Oops.

This is a pretty nasty early gutpunch if confirmed. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that he didn't rip up his knee the way that play went down; I had no idea until today that his finger was any kind of issue at all. Yikes.

[JohntheBaptist]

Anything on EEI about this at all? I don't even remember his hand making contact with anything- I was more focused on his knee on that slide.

God, I hope this is false. That article on Sox.com is promising, though. Didn't seem worried about it...

[templeUsox]

Not knowing much about Boston media, how accurate is Amorosino/WHDH? This isn't good news if it's true. Crisp was a good contributor in this early part of the season. That being said, it would be a good audition to see how good Stern really is. I do think he will platoon with Pena in CF and Mohr will platoon with Nixon in right.

[Frisbetarian]

Anything on EEI about this at all?  I don't even remember his hand making contact with anything- I was more focused on his knee on that slide.

God, I hope this is false.  That article on Sox.com is promising, though.  Didn't seem worried about it...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

EEI just reported it, but based it on the WHDH report.

If true does this mean that Stern is the everyday center fielder for the next month? He looked good today, but I would prefer to see WMP in the lineup instead.

I certainly hope the news on Crisp is not true, but if it is I would not like seeing Will Mo Pena in center field for the Red Sox for an extended period of time.

Edited by Frisbetarian, 09 April 2006 - 05:57 PM.

[SoxScout]

Amorosino is good, has broken many sports stories before.

[berstch]

I don't like WMP in center either. Is Trot in center, WMP in right even an option? I don't know if it is possible with all the leg injuries Trot has dealt with.

[Manny's Hammies]

Amorosino is good, has broken many sports stories before.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Though hopefully not Coco's hand. Here's hoping this proves to be a little overhyped. Though I, too, look forward to Stern giving it a run these next few days, the evidence thus far indicates that Coco's the straw that stirs the drink with this team.

[redinchicago]

Somewhere Dustan Mohr is smiling.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

He is? I heard Willie Harris has a bigger grin.

[Crazy Puppy]

Regarding Pena in CF, it does seem a little scary, but Theo Epstein did say this after acquiring him:

"There are some scouts who think he's better in center than in the corners," he added. "That's unusual for guys that size, but he's a physical freak, some of the things he can do.

RedSox.com

[Frisbetarian]

I don't like WMP in center either. Is Trot in center, WMP in right even an option? I don't know if it is possible with all the leg injuries Trot has dealt with.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I know you'e just thinking out loud about possible solutions, and I'm not trying to be a dick here but.....an outfield of Manny Trot and WMP would be downright scary.

How many runs would that trio cost you in a season?

[nazz45]

He is?  I heard Willie Harris has a bigger grin.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Doesn't Mohr make a bit more sense since he is right-handed? With both Pena and Mohr, they can platoon with Nixon and Stern against lefties.

Then again, perhaps they don't want to play Pena or Mohr in CF and they do go with Harris.

Edited by nazz45, 09 April 2006 - 06:08 PM.

[SoxFanPJ]

Fingers crossed, but Stern may not want to pack his bags just yet. If we really need a CF for a month, he is probably a better option then playing WMP/Harris/Mohr there.

[BS_SoxFan]

Wily Mo does have some experience in CF, and I think he was originally brought up as a CF but blocked by Griffey (not saying I want him playing there but just pointing out the fact)

2003: 26 Games in CF w/ 1 assist & 0 errors
2004: 46 Games in CF w/ 0 assists & 2 errors
2005: 25 Games in CF w/ 0 assists & 1 error

not exactly a huge sample size or anything but he does have some experience

edit: spelling

Edited by BS_SoxFan, 09 April 2006 - 06:13 PM.

[Harry Hooper]

Amorosino is good, has broken many sports stories before.

He's claimed at least a couple of Sox scoops that never panned out in the past.

[redinchicago]

Doesn't Mohr make a bit more sense since he is right-handed? With both Pena and Mohr, they can platoon with Nixon and Stern against lefties.

Then again, perhaps they don't want to play Pena or Mohr in CF and they do go with Harris.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, it does make more sense. I was wrong. I guess you play Mohr(RF) and WMP vs lefties and Stern and Trot vs righties.

[Manny's Hammies]

Fingers crossed, but Stern may not want to pack his bags just yet. If we really need a CF for a month, he is probably a better option then playing WMP/Harris/Mohr there.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The other reason Stern makes more sense is that you don't have to shuffle the lineup with him in it -- he can lead off for you. Wily Mo ain't no leadoff hitter...

[SoxFanPJ]

The other reason Stern makes more sense is that you don't have to shuffle the lineup with him in it -- he can lead off for you.  Wily Mo ain't no leadoff hitter...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The other thing is that the FO has stated they want to get Stern everyday playing time. Even if its only for a month, getting him near everyday playing time vs. MLB pitching would be more valuable then vs. AAA pitching. So I think it would work best for both the Club and for Stern's development.

I really hope the report is off base, this would be a huge hit to the team. Without Crisp the offense takes a pretty big hit.

[Pumpsie]

BOTH stories could be true. You can't take an x-ray until the swelling goes down. The first story was based on Coco's assessment that it was no big deal and the second story might be based on having an x-ray taken after the swelling went down and finding out that it's broken.

Damn. I was so looking forward to Coco kick-starting this offense all season. Stern will not be nearly as good but he might be serviceable for a month. Certainly eases up the roster crunch but I didn't want to do it this way.

[woofer]

BOTH stories could be true.  You can't take an x-ray until the swelling goes down.  The first story was based on Coco's assessment that it was no big deal and the second story might be based on having an x-ray taken after the swelling went down and finding out that it's broken.

Damn.  I was so looking forward to Coco kick-starting this offense all season.  Stern will not be nearly as good but he might be serviceable for a month.  Certainly eases up the roster crunch but I didn't want to do it this way.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm sure that at this point it's more likely true than not, but I remain hopeful based on the fact that this "scoop" continues to be carried only by one outlet of the Boston media, who you think would jump at the opportunity to spread doom and gloom over RSN. Even rotoworld is silent. Here's to hoping.

[SoxFanPJ]

RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Sunday, April 9, 2006

Update: Crisp, who jammed his left index finger when he was thrown out trying to steal third base in the third inning of Saturday's game, was not in Boston's lineup Sunday, team's official site reports.

Recommendation: "We have the off-day (Monday), so it's a perfect time to let it heal," said Crisp, who added that an X-ray on his finger was not necessary. Crisp was replaced in the leadoff spot and in center field Sunday by Adam Stern.

http://sports.yahoo....owire&type=lgns

[Angel Santos in Red]

So it's ok to back away from the edge of the rooftop?

[Manny's Hammies]

So it's ok to back away from the edge of the rooftop?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Probably not -- that looks like the old story.

[Red Averages]

It has been two hours since this originally broke, you would think that if he really did have a broken hand another source would have verified it by now.

[reggiecleveland]

Here's another reason stolen bases are over rated. People get hurt stealing bases or getting picked off.

Edited by reggiecleveland, 09 April 2006 - 07:30 PM.

[JBill]

Update from Redsox.com:

WHDH-TV in Boston reported on Sunday evening that starting center fielder Coco Crisp could miss up to one month as the result of a broken knuckle in his left index finger.

Reached by phone on Sunday night, team spokesman John Blake told MLB.com that the club could not confirm the report and that there was no immediate change to the original diagnosis of a jammed finger. Crisp will be examined by the team's medical staff on Monday.

[Grubbery]

I don't know about this story. It seems like red herring. At least I hope so. It does seem odd that three hours could pass without this being all over the local news. I'm also a bit incredulous about a broken knuckle costing a full month. They are painful, but having broken a few myself, I've never had one keep me from making a fist for more than a week.

Just smells hinky to me.

[John Dopson]

It was on his glove hand, so I assume the bigger problem would be batting.

[cheekydave]

It was on his glove hand, so I assume the bigger problem would be batting.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

hmm isnt he switch hitter?
so after 2 weeks we have a herb washington designated base stealer for a few weeks

[Drek717]

I don't know, didn't NESN show him playing some toss before the game today? Would the team let him do that if there was really a question about his hand being broken?

Sounds questionable to me.

[redsoxjamie]

What possible motivation would there be for WHDH to put out a false story? Not that there have never been incorrect media reports out there before, but most of those have had to do with trades, not injuries, which are just an entirely different animal. . . I'm not saying that we shouldn't take this with a huge grain of salt until it's confirmed, but still--isn't it possible that the reason this hasn't hit the major media outlets is mostly due to the fact that most of the people responsible for this kind of stuff are sitting down for a nice relaxing Sunday night dinner right about now?

Anyway, assuming it's true, the obvious thing to do is to keep Adam Stern up here and plug him in at CF. He is swing the bat well this year so far, and WMP has looked AWFUL. Even ASSUMING that you would get more offensive production out of WMP than out of Stern--and I'm not even convined that is the case--the difference in defensive value is enough to stay away from that plan.

Edited by redsoxjamie, 09 April 2006 - 08:37 PM.

[TheoShmeo]

Anyway, assuming it's true, the obvious thing to do is to keep Adam Stern up here and plug him in at CF.  He is swing the bat well this year so far, and WMP has looked AWFUL.  Even ASSUMING that you would get more offensive production out of WMP than out of Stern--and I'm not even convined that is the case--the difference in defensive value is enough to stay away from that plan.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't know if WHDH has it right or not -- and I sure hope they don't -- but I also don't think we should be drawing too many conclusions on WMP's limited at bats. Yes, he hasn't looked good thus far, but the sample size is obviously too small for us to learn much of anything, and there's a good chance that he's been pressing. That having been said, he doesn't seem to have the body type right now to be a good CF.

Edited by TheoShmeo, 09 April 2006 - 08:42 PM.

[Hendu Candu]

Anyway, assuming it's true, the obvious thing to do is to keep Adam Stern up here and plug him in at CF.  He is swing the bat well this year so far, and WMP has looked AWFUL.  Even ASSUMING that you would get more offensive production out of WMP than out of Stern--and I'm not even convined that is the case--the difference in defensive value is enough to stay away from that plan.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Are we supposed to make judgements on Wily Mo based on TWO AT BATS? They were admittedly awful at bats, but talk about the mother of all small sample sizes. There is every reason to expect that Pena would significantly outhit Adam Stern. I haven't seen him play center yet, but BP has Pena as average to slightly below average in limited time there. I'd give him a shot there to see if he can handle it.

[Paradigm]

What possible motivation would there be for WHDH to put out a false story? 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It's not knowingly spreading false news, but breaking news that may be false in order to be first with the story

[Gambler7]

No mention of this on Red Sox this week from Dan Roche or Tony Massarotti, will have to wait for the 11 pm news or Sports Extra/Sports Final

[Grubbery]

What possible motivation would there be for WHDH to put out a false story?  Not that there have never been incorrect media reports out there before, but most of those have had to do with trades, not injuries, which are just an entirely different animal.  .  .

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You don't need motivation beyond overzealousness if you have just got it wrong. A reasonable speculation would be that the team believes this is more than a jammed finger, but something less than a broken finger. If he'd dislocated it, there would have already been an MRI to check for ligament damage.

It's highly likely the WHDH source was speculating on a most likely scenario...reasonably a broken knuckle which COULD take up to a month to heal. In a hypercompetitive news market around an obsession like the Red Sox, such things can easily morph from "worst case" speculation to "unnamed sources indicate" - it happens in DC all the time.

EDIT: toning down my own hypocrisy.

Edited by Grubbery, 09 April 2006 - 09:18 PM.

[pedro1918]

While it is ridiculous to judge WMP at this point, it should be noted that he has 3 ABs, with a double and an RBI. Even with the 2 K's, that doesn't even qualify as a lower case "AWFUL".

That being said, I hope Coco is with us on Tuesday.

[redsox13]

I was hoping the the team would have vehemently denied the rumor, rather than issuing a no comment. I guess with the new rules, governing what can and can't be said, I could be reading a little too much into this though

Edited by redsox13, 09 April 2006 - 09:15 PM.

WMP is 1 for 3 with 2 very bad K's. It's well known that he K's a lot. I have mixed feelings on who should play CF if, IF Coco is going to be out for a month. Stern has been hitting the ball well all throughout ST and whenever he gets the chance to play. Do we bring up Mohr? I think I'd bring up Mohr and have him as backup for Stern and continue to have WMP platoon with Trot.

I got to watch Stern take BP in texas on Tuesday, every other ball went yard. Yes I know it's only BP but the kid has some pop in his bat. And he can run his ass off. WMP needs to become patient at the plate, his 2 K's he just looked aweful. Yes I know he has only 3 plate appearances.

Lets just hope it's a jammed finger and he'll be ready Tuesday.

[502 to Right]

The new "hitting and defense" Red Sox are going to put Adam Stern in center and hope for the best. If not, why didn't WMP start in center today?

I was hoping the the team would have vehemently denied the rumor, rather than issuing a no comment.  I guess with the new rules, governing what can and can't be said, I could be reading a little too much into this though

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Maybe the FO read the Bill Belichick book of coaching!!

[TheoShmeo]

The new "hitting and defense" Red Sox are going to put Adam Stern in center and hope for the best.  If not, why didn't WMP start in center today?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I suspect you are right, and that they would give Stern a shot before Pena in CF.

But it's also possible that they'll call up Mohr, and start Stern and Nixon against righties and Pena and Mohr against lefties.

PS and Edit: For those of us outside of Boston, any updates from Sports Final etc. would be appreciated.

Edited by TheoShmeo, 09 April 2006 - 09:35 PM.

[redsox13]

Maybe the FO read the Bill Belichick book of coaching!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh I understand completely why they did it, but I'm still anxiously awaiting a more credible report on this.