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[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

Ran for 1800 yards at 4.2 yards a carry, finished 9th in points allowed a game, with 40 sacks and 32 turnovers. That is a pretty solid defense along with a good running game. Again, maybe Pennington isn't the best example of my point.

And this is what makes this exercise so interesting. Having an average team with Pennington as your QB probably won't result in a Super Bowl win, but with a good draft you could be in contention.

[TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon]

2 1/2 hour countdown for poutine...

That dude is usually 24/7 SOSH, and now we need him. WTF? Can we just reasign his team now? I pick like 18th or so and I can't tell if I'm gonna be on the clock tonight, tomorrow, next week.....all I know is I'm anxious. C'mon, lets go Paps!!!


Edit: Don't take me too seriously, I know we have 6 hour blocks for a reason and I'm just excited, that's all. That said, hurry the fuck up!!!

Edited by TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon, 11 June 2009 - 09:31 AM.

[Ferm Sheller]

I don't see any reason to rush these picks. People should feel free to use every minute of their allotted time, if they wish. Frankly, I'd prefer that it be a marathon and not a sprint.

[bsj]

I don't see any reason to rush these picks. People should feel free to use every minute of their allotted time, if they wish. Frankly, I'd prefer that it be a marathon and not a sprint.

Ferm, I certainly would never rush anyone while they still have time on the clock. But a couple thoughts.

But keep in mind. The 6 hour blocks (12 on the weekend) are meant to be a WORST case scenario. Its meant to give people time in case something comes up and they are AFK on occasion.

Generally speaking, when possible, people should endeavor to make their picks as soon as they are able to, as both a courtesy to other league members, as well as to help make sure people don't get bored and lose interest.

And if you know you are going to be up in the next 8-10 picks, you should send someone a proxy list.

Honestly, in a perfect world we would be able to burn through a round a day. It would be great if we could fire a pick up every half hour or so. However, inevitably, a half a round would be a good average.

This isnt a sprint either way. Its going to be a marathon either way. However, I want to make sure its a marathon that doesnt have people dropping out at the 10 mile mark if possible.

Edited by bsj, 11 June 2009 - 09:18 AM.

[Ferm Sheller]

OK, bsj. Thanks for the explanation. I will do my best to make all of my picks in a timely fashion. I agree that it will be a marathon even if people pick sooner rather than later.

[bsj]

OK, bsj. Thanks for the explanation. I will do my best to make all of my picks in a timely fashion. I agree that it will be a marathon even if people pick sooner rather than later.

No worries...that was really meant for everyone, just happened to be following your post...

If we got through a half round a day, which is as much as we can reasonably expect, this is a 2 month process. I am really hoping to get this done by NFL kickoff which is a little more than 2 1/2 months away.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

No worries...that was really meant for everyone, just happened to be following your post...

If we got through a half round a day, which is as much as we can reasonably expect, this is a 2 month process. I am really hoping to get this done by NFL kickoff which is a little more than 2 1/2 months away.

Judging by how the baseball league developed, to average a half round a day we probably really need to be close to a full round a day toward the beginning. People are going to have flagging interest in the later rounds, its going to be harder for them to decide between players, and because its summer there will be people going on vacation and other complications.

So I would definitely encourage people to use the proxy system if you don't think you can pick within an hour or so during these early rounds.

Edited by Morgan's Magic Snowplow, 11 June 2009 - 09:55 AM.

[Dgilpin]

BSJ, quick question.

Say someone doesn't make a pick in 6 hours, as I understand if that occurs the next person is up. Now after that person picks, the person who was skipped is up again, correct? Does this person get another 6 window to make their pick?

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

BSJ, quick question.

Say someone doesn't make a pick in 6 hours, as I understand if that occurs the next person is up. Now after that person picks, the person who was skipped is up again, correct? Does this person get another 6 window to make their pick?

Not to put words in BSJ's mouth, but if you are skipped the draft continues as if you made a pick and you no longer have a clock. Whenever you get back you can jump right in and make your pick.

[bsj]

Not to put words in BSJ's mouth, but if you are skipped the draft continues as if you made a pick and you no longer have a clock. Whenever you get back you can jump right in and make your pick.

Correct. Once someone is skipped, they are free to pick at any time, but the draft will continue in the meantime, with the following players free to pick.

This is actually similar to the NFL draft, where, if you recall, once a teams clock expires, teams all will race to beat that team to the podium.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

[3rd Degree]

Did somebody PM Papelbon's Poutine? I think he is on the clock.

I PMed him right after I made my pick. He hasn't been on since midnight though.

[bsj]

I PMed him right after I made my pick. He hasn't been on since midnight though.

I PM'd him as well.

At Noon, we will move on and Papelbon will be free to pick at any time.

[TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon]

I PMed him right after I made my pick. He hasn't been on since midnight though.

He was pretty much already on the clock at midnight, that does it. I say we assign Mike Vick to his team.

[D Jack's Dome]

With the fifth (fourth) pick in the draft, D Jack's Brown's select...

Drew Brees



This was a tough one for me. I really wanted to go with Adrian Peterson. But in my mind, Adrian Peterson and an average QB would put me where Minnesota is now...and I'd like to do more then just make the playoffs. I want the trophy.

Brees is only one of two QB's--the other being Marino--to pass for over 5000 yards in a season, missing the all-time season record held by Marino by only 15 yards. He managed to accomplish this without any of his players receiving more then 928 yards. Brady gets praise for being able to dish the ball to everyone on the field, Brees was able to do it better then anyone else in 2008, and without a legit 1A option. A QB rating of 96.2 in 2008 (career 90) and completion percentage of 65 (career 64), the guy had a record season last year, but has proven to be able to get the job done throughout his whole career as well. He has definitely already proved to be more valuable then his San Diego (and DgilPin) heir, Phillip River. Oh yeah, and he's only 30.

Career highs include:
34 TD's in 2008
5069 yards in 2008
104.8 QB rating in 2004
67.5 completion % in 2007

Edited by D Jack's Dome, 11 June 2009 - 11:30 AM.

[TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon]

With the fifth (fourth) pick in the draft, D Jack's Brown's select...

Drew Brees



This was a tough one for me. I really wanted to go with Adrian Peterson. But in my mind, Adrian Peterson and an average QB would put me where Minnesota is now...and I'd like to do more then just make the playoffs. I want the trophy.

Brees is only one of two QB's--the other being Marino--to pass for over 5000 yards in a season, missing the all-time season record held by Marino by only 15 yards. He managed to accomplish this without any of his players receiving more then 928 yards. Brady gets praise for being able to dish the ball to everyone on the field, Brees was able to do it better then anyone else in 2008. A QB rating of 96.2 in 2008 (career 90) and completion percentage of 65 (career 64), the guy had a record season last year, but has proven to be able to get the job done throughout his whole career as well. He has definitely already proved to be more valuable then his San Diego (and DgilPin) heir, Phillip River. Oh yeah, and he's only 30.

Career highs include:
34 TD's in 2008
5069 yards in 2008
104.8 QB rating in 2004
67.5 completion % in 2007

Good pick, I would have considered him here very strongly. Is that Carlton from the fresh prince?....Someone else now has an opportunity to be opportunistic. Lets see if they take it.

[Dgilpin]

He has definitely already proved to be more valuable then his San Diego (and DgilPin) heir, Phillip River. Oh yeah, and he's only 30.

Just curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Not that I think Brees is a bad player or a bad pick, I don't see how Brees has proven himself to be more valuable than Rivers. Both have lead their teams to a conference championship game, I mean statistically Brees had an edge in yards last season, however I think that may be attributed to the Saints offense which is a little conducive to putting passing numbers.

Edited by Dgilpin, 11 June 2009 - 11:57 AM.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Does SeoulSoxFan actually live in Seoul? Its 2 AM over there.

[Dgilpin]

Brees is only one of two QB's--the other being Marino--to pass for over 5000 yards in a season, missing the all-time season record held by Marino by only 15 yards. He managed to accomplish this without any of his players receiving more then 928 yards.

Not to pile on, but Brees did lead the league in pass attempts last season with 635. Compared to Rivers at 478, that’s a 157 more pass attempts. Basically the only category Brees was superior to Rivers last season was yards, however Rivers did lead the league in Yds/Pass Attempt at 8.1 and TD% at 7.1. If you extrapolate Rivers passing stats to include those extra 157 pass attempts that takes an already great season of Comp% 65, 4009 yds, 34TDs and 11 INTs to record setting season of 5280 yds, 45 TD's and 15 INTs... compared to Brees's season of Comp. % 65%, 5069 yds, 34 TDs, and 17 INT's.

Edit: Spelling

Edited by Dgilpin, 11 June 2009 - 12:10 PM.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

In my rankings I had Brees ahead of Rivers but both are very close in my book. Brees at 30 has less years left in him but has also shown he can do it year in and year out, while Rivers at 27 is coming off his best year but needs to show he can sustain it.

Brees last season with San Diego was also his 26 year old season. Here is the comparison.

Rivers vs Brees

	Age	Year	Team	Games	Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Rating
Rivers	26	2008	SD	16	312	478	65.3	4009	8.4	34	11	105.5
Brees	26	2005	SD	16	323	500	64.6	3576	7.2	24	15	89.2

Both throwing to the best pass catching tight end Antonio Gates, but Rivers core receiving core seems to be much better.

Brees: Keenan McCardell, Eric Parker, Reche Caldwell
Rivers: Vincent Jackson, Chris Chambers, Malcom Floyd

[TheNeedle]

With the fifth (fourth) pick in the draft, D Jack's Brown's select...

Drew Brees
...
Career highs include:
34 TD's in 2008
5069 yards in 2008
104.8 QB rating in 2004
67.5 completion % in 2007

I was hoping for Brees at 10. Damn.

[D Jack's Dome]

Just curious as to how you came to that conclusion. Not that I think Brees is a bad player or a bad pick, I don't see how Brees has proven himself to be more valuable than Rivers. Both have lead their teams to a conference championship game, I mean statistically Brees had an edge in yards last season, however I think that may be attributed to the Saints offense which is a little conducive to putting passing numbers.

Not to pile on, but Brees did lead the league in pass attempts last season with 635. Compared to Rivers at 478, that’s a 157 more pass attempts. Basically the only category Brees was superior to Rivers last season was yards, however Rivers did lead the league in Yds/Pass Attempt at 8.1 and TD% at 7.1. If you extrapolate Rivers passing stats to include those extra 157 pass attempts that takes an already great season of Comp% 65, 4009 yds, 34TDs and 11 INTs to record setting season of 5280 yds, 45 TD's and 15 INTs... compared to Brees's season of Comp. % 65%, 5069 yds, 34 TDs, and 17 INT's.

It was just one of those throw away comments trying to rib you. But I suppose I did say it, so I should try to defend it. Here goes...

First I've never liked the argument, "Well, you're guy threw more balls, that was their system. If so-and-so was in that system, this would be his numbers." It doesn't fly. If Phillip Rivers was relied upon to throw 635 balls, the team would have played worse then 8-8. If River's had Drew Bree's ability, I'm sure their coaching staff would have loved to let him loose. Lord knows LT wasn't tearing up the field last year. But he can't so he didn't. Once team's realized LT wasn't the same LT, they stopped stacking the box and made Phillip River's try to beat them. What happened? One 300 yard game--against the Chiefs (28th in pass defense)-- in the final 7 regular season games and a 300 yard performance in a playoff blowout to the Steelers, who were basically giving them whatever they wanted in the second half.

In fact, let's compare 300 yard performances between the two players.

Rivers
377 yards--Denver--26th ranked pass defense
306 yards--New England--11th ranked pass defense
341 yards--New Orleans--23rd ranked pass defense
316 yards--Kansas City--28th ranked pass defense
244 yards--Kansas City--28th ranked pass defense

Average completion % in 300+ yard games--67.72%

Brees
343 yards--Tampa Bay--4th ranked pass defense
421 yards--Denver--26th ranked pass defense
363 yards--San Francisco--20th ranked pass defense
330 yards--Minnesota--17th ranked pass defense
320 yards--Oakland--10th ranked pass defense
339 yards--San Diego--31st ranked pass defense
422 yards--Atlanta--21st ranked pass defense
323 yards--Green Bay--12th ranked pass defense
351 yards--Detroit--27th ranked pass defense
386 yards--Carolina--16th ranked pass defense

Average completion % in 300+ yard games--70.18%

Rivers had good passing games against inferior pass defenses. Brees did it to everyone. Rivers also had two 2008 pro-bowl linemen (Mcneill/Dielman), not to mention his starting C was a 2007 Pro-bowler (Nick Hardwick). Brees had one alternate on his team (Jamaal Brown.)

Again, my comment was really just to get a little ribbing going. Rivers had a helluva year last year, and if it continues, then you have a perennial pro-bowler on your team for a handful of years. But prior to 2008, he's had 1 good year (2006) and one average one (2007) as a full time starter. Brees had one record worthy season (2008), two great seasons (2006-2007) of 4400+ yards, and 3 good seasons (2002, 04-05) with one injured season in between. Theres a whole lot of questions that remain with Rivers, and not so many with Brees.

Edited by D Jack's Dome, 11 June 2009 - 01:54 PM.

[SeoulSoxFan]

With the fifth (fourth) pick in the draft, D Jack's Brown's select...

Drew Brees



This was a tough one for me. I really wanted to go with Adrian Peterson. But in my mind, Adrian Peterson and an average QB would put me where Minnesota is now...and I'd like to do more then just make the playoffs. I want the trophy.

Brees is only one of two QB's--the other being Marino--to pass for over 5000 yards in a season, missing the all-time season record held by Marino by only 15 yards. He managed to accomplish this without any of his players receiving more then 928 yards. Brady gets praise for being able to dish the ball to everyone on the field, Brees was able to do it better then anyone else in 2008, and without a legit 1A option. A QB rating of 96.2 in 2008 (career 90) and completion percentage of 65 (career 64), the guy had a record season last year, but has proven to be able to get the job done throughout his whole career as well. He has definitely already proved to be more valuable then his San Diego (and DgilPin) heir, Phillip River. Oh yeah, and he's only 30.

Career highs include:
34 TD's in 2008
5069 yards in 2008
104.8 QB rating in 2004
67.5 completion % in 2007

It's tough to say "hey that's MY pick" this early (and moving up a spot due to Pap being skipped), but this is a terrific pick and would have been mine if he slid down to my spot.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Does SeoulSoxFan actually live in Seoul? Its 2 AM over there.

Hey MM - no used to, but am in NY.
Might as well though, since I now have a completely reversed sleeping schedule (just got up).

[SeoulSoxFan]

Seoul Buccaneers swimmingly select:

Ben Roethlisberger



At age 27, and just coming out of a SB win, Roethlisberger is arguably heading into his prime. Accurate, yet can throw deep at any time, he was also the league's OROY in 2004 and beat out Brady to become the youngest quarterback to lead his team to a Super Bowl win in 2006.

However, thank the 2 Lombardis that he's 6-5 & 241 lbs since he has taken more than his share of shots, although he only missed 6 games in the past 5 seasons.



I had him rated as 4th best QB in this draft ahead of Rivers, but behind Brady, Manning, and Brees.

And you can always count on him for some epic photos. Too bad his choice of hotties aren't worthy of another multiple Bowl winner.

Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 11 June 2009 - 01:56 PM.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

The QB run continues.

I believe BoSoxFink is online, send a pm and lets keep this sucker moving.

[TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon]

The QB run continues.

I believe BoSoxFink is online, send a pm and lets keep this sucker moving.

he is in this forum, surprised he hasn't fired off his pick of Mark Sanchez yet

[Dgilpin]

It was just one of those throw away comments trying to rib Dgilpin. But I suppose I did say it, so I should try to defend it. Here goes...

First I've never liked the argument, "Well, you're guy threw more balls, that was their system. If so-and-so was in that system, this would be his numbers." It doesn't fly. If Phillip Rivers was relied upon to throw 635 balls, the team would have played worse then 8-8. If River's had Drew Bree's ability, I'm sure their coaching staff would have loved to let him loose. Lord knows LT wasn't tearing up the field last year. But he can't so he didn't. Once team's realized LT wasn't the same LT, they stopped stacking the box and made Phillip River's try to beat them. What happened? One 300 yard game--against the Chiefs (28th in pass defense)-- in the final 7 regular season games and a 300 yard performance in a playoff blowout to the Steelers, who was basically giving them whatever they wanted in the second half.

In fact, let's compare 300 yard performances between the two players.

Rivers
377 yards--Denver--26th ranked pass defense
306 yards--New England--11th ranked pass defense
341 yards--New Orleans--23rd ranked pass defense
316 yards--Kansas City--28th ranked pass defense
244 yards--Kansas City--28th ranked pass defense

Average completion % in 300+ yard games--67.72%

Brees
343 yards--Tampa Bay--4th ranked pass defense
421 yards--Denver--26th ranked pass defense
363 yards--San Francisco--20th ranked pass defense
330 yards--Minnesota--17th ranked pass defense
320 yards--Oakland--10th ranked pass defense
339 yards--San Diego--31st ranked pass defense
422 yards--Atlanta--21st ranked pass defense
323 yards--Green Bay--12th ranked pass defense
351 yards--Detroit--2th ranked pass defense
386 yards--Carolina--16th ranked pass defense

Average completion % in 300+ yard games--70.18%

He had good games against inferior defenses. He also had two 2008 pro-bowl linemen (Mcneill/Dielman), not to mention his starting C was a 2007 Pro-bowler (Nick Hardwick). Brees had one alternate on his team (Jamaal Brown.)

Again, my comment was really just to get a little ribbing going. Rivers had a helluva year last year, and if it continues, then you have a perennial pro-bowler on your team for a handful of years. But prior to 2008, he's had 1 good year (2006) and one average one (2007) as a full time starter. Theres a whole lot of questions that remain with him, and not so many with Brees.

Hey no problem, I figured it was just to get some friendly banter going. Honestly I really like the Brees pick, I mentioned before but my strategy was to get the best QB in my opinion that was under 30. For me that guy was Rivers, but I don't think Brees is much of a step down from the Manning/Brady group. In regards to you're counter argument... I'm not sure why you think Rivers wasn't or wouldn't be capable of airing it out as much as Brees. Although LT was far from his normal self last season, the Chargers still tried to maintain a balanced offense. As I mentioned earlier, Rivers lead the league last season in Yards/Attempt at 8.1 and %TD at 7.1, all while sporting a 65% completion percentage, so his rate stats were top notch. As far as using 300 yard games to compare the two, I don't think that's really a fair way of comparing the two since Brees averaged almost 10 more pass attempts per game, so of course he would have more games in which he obtained a 300 yards passing. Either way, good pick. In 5-10 more picks we should be at the point were most of the QB's you would want to build a team around will be off the board. I'm excited to see the strategy some of our owners will employ at that point.

Edited by Dgilpin, 11 June 2009 - 02:01 PM.

[BoSoxFink]

The BS Fink Cardinals select....

Matt Ryan - QB



I know I will probably be ridiculed by some people on this one but I am a firm believer that you need a star qb to win in the NFL. I also see Ryan as the next Manning/Brady and is still only one year removed from college. When you look at Ryan's numbers from his first year against Brady's this is what you get:

Brady
TD's 18
INT's 12
Comp % 63.9
Rating 86.5
Yards 2,448

Ryan
TD's 16
INT's 11
Comp % 61.1
Rating 87.7
Yards 3,440



Pretty comparable numbers if you ask me. Ryan was able to lead his team to the playoffs last year when they were not expected to go anywhere when the season began. He is well on his way to becoming a franchise quarterback in this league and he will develop with my team and soon lead us to the promise land. Plus he went to BC which is ok in my book as well.

Edited by BoSoxFink, 11 June 2009 - 02:10 PM.

[TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon]

Great pick on Matt Ryan, was hoping he'd domehow slip to 18, was pipedreaming though.

Paps is gonna be mad when he wakes up and realizes that he pulled a Minnesota/Dallas and he could have had Brees/Roethlisberger and instead will have someone like Kyle Boller at the helm.

Sweet, just checked and the next 6 owners are all online, these picks should start rolling in for fear of Papelbon's eventually awakening.

Edited by TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon, 11 June 2009 - 02:15 PM.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

If I can't get a top QB, then the next best thing is someone who will wall off my guy's blindside for the next ten years. A dominating LT has ripple effects throughout the rest of an offense, and nobody stands to dominate the position more over the next decade than Ryan Clady of the Denver Broncos. A rookie last year, and not even from a major conference program, Clady started from day one and gave up only 1/2 sack and took only three penalties all year, despite the fact that the Broncos really never gave him help and Jay Cutler threw the ninth most passes in NFL history in a single season. By the end of the year, football watchers had taken notice, voting him 2nd team All-Pro. While probably not as good a run blocker as Joe Thomas at this point in his career, he has all the physical tools and football instincts to become dominant in that area of the game as well. I considered Thomas here too, but I think Clady has a bit more upside, considering just how good he was as a rookie out of a program like Boise State. He kicked Julius Peppers's ass. He kicked John Abraham's ass. He kicked Joey Porter's ass. And I'm looking forward to him kicking a lot more ass over the next decade as the cornerstone of my offensive line.

Edited by Morgan's Magic Snowplow, 11 June 2009 - 02:20 PM.

[UNCSoxFan5]

Guys, I'll pick shortly, gotta decide.

[D Jack's Dome]

Hey no problem, I figured it was just to get some friendly banter going. Honestly I really like the Brees pick, I mentioned before but my strategy was to get the best QB in my opinion that was under 30. For me that guy was Rivers, but I don't think Brees is much of a step down from the Manning/Brady group. In regards to you're counter argument... I'm not sure why you think Rivers wasn't or wouldn't be capable of airing it out as much as Brees. Although LT was far from his normal self last season, the Chargers still tried to maintain a balanced offense. As I mentioned earlier, Rivers lead the league last season in Yards/Attempt at 8.1 and %TD at 7.1, all while sporting a 65% completion percentage, so his rate stats were top notch. As far as using 300 yard games to compare the two, I don't think that's really a fair way of comparing the two since Brees averaged almost 10 more pass attempts per game, so of course he would have more games in which he obtained a 300 yards passing. Either way, good pick. In 5-10 more picks we should be at the point were most of the QB's you would want to build a team around will be off the board. I'm excited to see the strategy some of our owners will employ at that point.

Agreed, although I doubt it will even take that long.

1. Drew Brees
2. Tom Brady
3. Peyton Manning
4. Philip Rivers
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Kurt Warner
7. Tony Romo
8. Matt Rya
9. Jay Cutler
10. Donovan McNabb
11. Carson Palmer
12. Matt Schaub
13. Matt Cassel
14. Ben Roethlisberger
15. Matt Hasselbeck
16. Kyle Orton
17. Trent Edwards
18. Joe Flacco
19. Chad Pennington
20. Eli Manning
21. David Garrard
22. Shaun Hill
23. Jason Campbell
24. JaMarcus Russell
25. Brady Quinn
26. Jake Delhomme
27. Marc Bulger
28. Sage Rosenfels
29. Kerry Collins
30. Daunte Culpepper
31. Mark Sanchez
32. Luke McCown
33. Kellen Clemens
34. Byron Leftwich
35. Derek Anderson
36. Tarvaris Jackson
37. Matthew Stafford
38. Matt Leinart
39. Vince Young
40. Tyler Thigpen

Other then possibly Cutler/Romo/Rodgers (and, personally, I wouldn't draft them this early,) do you really pass some of the all-pro people up?

Note--As I write this, I see Morgan already drafted a LT. The game begins.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

If I can't get a top QB, then the next best thing is someone who will wall off my guy's blindside for the next ten years. A dominating LT has ripple effects throughout the rest of an offense, and nobody stands to dominate the position more over the next decade than Ryan Clady of the Denver Broncos.

-snip-

Finally, I really thought there was a chance I would be the first non QB pick.

[UNCSoxFan5]

With the 9th pick in the draft the UNC Chiefs select...

OLB DeMarcus Ware



Will turn 27 in July. Had 20 sacks, 84 tackles, 9 tackles for a loss and six forced fumbles. An All Pro, and I think fits the mantra of best front 7 player under the age of 30. I thought about an Offensive Tackle here, but didn't find one I felt was worth of this pick. I will start out by building my team on D.

Edited by UNCSoxFan5, 11 June 2009 - 02:38 PM.

[bsj]

There are SO many players worth more than nearly every QB left....but...I'm worried that if everyone goes for one in THE 35 picks between my #1 and #2 I will be drafting marc bulger in round 2.

[UNCSoxFan5]

There are SO many players worth more than nearly every QB left....but...I'm worried that if everyone goes for one in THE 35 picks between my #1 and #2 I will be drafting marc bulger in round 2.

The only QB's I considered at #9 were Brady, Manning and possibly Rivers. After that you are just not getting value.

[BoSoxFink]

There are SO many players worth more than nearly every QB left....but...I'm worried that if everyone goes for one in THE 35 picks between my #1 and #2 I will be drafting marc bulger in round 2.

That is what makes this draft exciting I believe. There is a lot of risk in not drafting a qb in the first round and it is very interesting to see who they will be left with as the draft moves on. I was very happy Ryan was still available when I picked at 7, I just really believe you must have a top of the line qb to win. I know it is has happened before without a good qb, i.e. the Ravens, but it makes it that much easier to win the Super Bowl when you have a star qb.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

The RealFantasy Draft NFL edition seems to be the only draft that is completely different than a typical NFL fantasy draft (as it should be). Matt Ryan at 7th overall, this is going to be fun.

Baseball - Pujols, Hanley, Wright
Basketball - Lebron, Howard, Paul
Hockey - Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby

[BoSoxFink]

The only QB's I considered at #9 were Brady, Manning and possibly Rivers. After that you are just not getting value.

The truth is Quarterback is the most important position in the NFL, and for this reason alone you are getting value if you draft a qb this early because who is to say you don't end up with J.P. Losman if you wait too long.

I understand your point that their are other players who are better at their position than say Ryan is at quarterback, but will it make more of a difference having said player with a crappy qb then it would be havign Ryan with still a pretty good player at whatever position you draft.

[UNCSoxFan5]

The truth is Quarterback is the most important position in the NFL, and for this reason alone you are getting value if you draft a qb this early because who is to say you don't end up with J.P. Losman if you wait too long.

I understand your point that their are other players who are better at their position than say Ryan is at quarterback, but will it make more of a difference having said player with a crappy qb then it would be havign Ryan with still a pretty good player at whatever position you draft.

I think the difference between say the 8th QB and say the 23rd is not that large. I think the differing opinions in strategy make this a very interesting exercise.

[TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon]

That is what makes this draft exciting I believe. There is a lot of risk in not drafting a qb in the first round and it is very interesting to see who they will be left with as the draft moves on. I was very happy Ryan was still available when I picked at 7, I just really believe you must have a top of the line qb to win. I know it is has happened before without a good qb, i.e. the Ravens, but it makes it that much easier to win the Super Bowl when you have a star qb.

There are lots of ways to look at it. I think if you pass on a QB in the first, then you are looking at Mark Bulger in the 25th round, not the second. In the second you will be building the team that will surround your less skilled/over the hill veteran QB. A great young QB(see Matt Stafford) with a bad team around him will not fair as well as a team that is balanced with a good supporting cast(see Minnesota) who can go on to take an aging veteran like Warner or Farve who should be available late with the intention of getting younger at QB down the line.

BTW, I agree with BoSoxFink that Ryan belongs in the group of QBs who should be drafted high. He is proven and has a long career ahead of him. You are more likely to find a LT in the 2nd round that is very good/close to Clady then you are a QB even remotely close to what you get from Matt Ryan.

Edited by TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon, 11 June 2009 - 02:53 PM.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

I understand your point that their are other players who are better at their position than say Ryan is at quarterback, but will it make more of a difference having said player with a crappy qb then it would be havign Ryan with still a pretty good player at whatever position you draft.

I'm not saying Ryan isn't good, and I actually liked your pick for how the draft has been going, but I entirely disagree. I really had no intention of drafting a QB at 15 and I don't think I would have at 5, but I believe there are plenty of capable QBs out there yet only a few studs at each position.

[Titoschew]

I think the difference between say the 8th QB and say the 23rd is not that large. I think the differing opinions in strategy make this a very interesting exercise.

For the most part, you're correct, but not considering guys like Brees or Roethlisberger at your spot (had they been available) would have been greatly mis stating their value to a team. Especially BR.

[D Jack's Dome]

I think the difference between say the 8th QB and say the 23rd is not that large. I think the differing opinions in strategy make this a very interesting exercise.

I'd agree, but we aren't drafting the 8th overall QB...we're not even on our 8th pick. The top 4-5 QB's are, IMO, the top 4-5 picks in this draft.

[UNCSoxFan5]

For the most part, you're correct, but not considering guys like Brees or Roethlisberger at your spot (had they been available) would have been greatly mis stating their value to a team. Especially BR.

Brees is 30, and accumulates alot of yards because his defense has always sucked. Roethlisberger is coming off a 17TD 15INT performance. The fact that he was great in the Super Bowl not withstanding, he is not someone I would want to build a team around starting from scratch at #9.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I think the difference between say the 8th QB and say the 23rd is not that large. I think the differing opinions in strategy make this a very interesting exercise.

This is where I stand too. How big is the difference really between Matt Ryan and Matt Cassel (or Matt Leinart for that matter)?

I think there are really three tiers in a very general sense.

True Difference Makers - 1-5 of these guys in the league at any one time.

Good Enough if the Situation is Right - About 20 of these guys in the league at any one time.

You're in Trouble - About 6-8 of these guys have starting jobs at any given time.

Edited by Morgan's Magic Snowplow, 11 June 2009 - 02:53 PM.

[UNCSoxFan5]

I'd agree, but we aren't drafting the 8th overall QB...we're not even on our 8th pick. The top 4-5 QB's are, IMO, the top 4-5 picks in this draft.

I picked 9th, with Brady, Manning, Rivers off the board. For reasons I just discussed I do not like any of the other QB's this high. I am building a team to win in a 1-4 year window, not just for 2009.

[TheNeedle]

I was absolutely torn between three guys: Adrian Peterson, Larry Fitzgerald and this guy. Even torn to the point where I asked my co-workers... and they couldn't decide either. But in the end, I'm seeing how many people are taking QBs, so with the tenth overall pick, the Needle Colts select...

QB Carson Palmer



Even aside from his obvious weiner eating skills, Palmer's been a stud all of his career. Sure, his arm has been anchored by guys like Houshmanzada (well, had been) and Chad Ochocinco (yes, that's now his listed name on his NFL contract), but he's also been held down by the, well, stellar incarceration rate of the Bungles. Check out these stats:

88.9 career passer rating
3 seasons with 25+ TDs and 3800+ yards
63.7 career completion percentage

...and most of those percentage stats are held down by a horrible, injury-ridden season last year. And a decline? Look at how the Bengals have done recently! Stick him with a fresh new team and he'll do fine. The guy's not even 30 yet.

Myt Cowboys, you are on the clock.

Edited by TheNeedle, 11 June 2009 - 02:57 PM.

[BoSoxFink]

This is where I stand too. How big is the difference really between Matt Ryan and Matt Cassel (or Matt Leinart for that matter)?

I think there are really three tiers in a very general sense.

True Difference Makers - 1-5 of these guys in the league at any one time.

Good Enough if the Situation is Right - About 20 of these guys in the league at any one time.

You're in Trouble - About 6-8 of these guys have starting jobs at any given time.

Well the difference here being is how good do you think Matt Ryan is? You seem to think he isn't that good, while I tend to lean towards him being the next in line to be a great qb in the league, a la Manning/Brady. It is all a matter of perspective. I compared the stats of Brady's first year to Ryan's and they are very similar and that doesn't even take into account that Brady's first year playing wasn't his first in the league and he had time to learn the offense before actually playing, while Ryan came in and played right away.

Edited by BoSoxFink, 11 June 2009 - 02:56 PM.