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[bsj]

This is the thread in which the draft will take place, and all discussion from this point on should take place.


The Results Page:

***Here is the link to the results chart: --->CLICK HERE FOR DRAFT RESULTS<---

Here is the draft order and team assignments:

1	roundegotrip	Round Ego Bears
2	dgilpin	Gilpin Bengals
3	3rd Degree	3rd Degree Bills
4	Dollar	Buck-ing Broncos
5	D Jack's Dome	D Jack Browns
6	SeoulSoxFan	Seoul Buccaneers
7	BoSoxFink	BS Fink Cardinals
8	Morgan's Magic Snowplow	Morgan's Magic Chargers
9	UNCSoxFan5	UNC Chiefs
10	The Needle	Needle Colts
11	Myt1	Myt Cowboys
12	Sille Skrub/Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye	Sille Stuart Dolphins
13	Titoschew	Titos Eagles
14	bsj	BSJ Falcons
15	DaughtersofDougMirabelli	Daughters 49ers
16	ilol@u	LOL Giants
17	DeathoftheBambino	Death Jaguars
18	Teddy's Dirtbag Son	Dirtbag Jets
19	JulE6	JulE6's Lions
20	Woburn Diaspora	Woburn Packers
21	ToxicSmed	Toxic Panthers
22	bball831	Bball Patriots
23	dylan marsh	Marsh Raiders
24	RedOctober3829	Red October Rams
25	mascho	Mascho Ravens
26	ChemistrySchemistry	Chemistry Redskins
27	kanga12/majorwibi	Kanga Wibi Saints
28	Ferm Sheller	Sheller Seahawks
29	Hendu's Gait	Hendu Steelers
30	dabombdig	Da Bomb Texans
31	MysticMerlin	Mystic Titans
32	MarcSullivaFan	Marc Sulli-Vikings

Draft will be serpentine style, as was the baseball draft.

Making Your Pick: Formatting

When making picks, let's all stick to the same general format for consistency:

Full players name, current NFL team, position he will play on your team in bold
(If any players on your chart need to be moved as a result of this pick, please provide detailed instruction including full name of player to be moved and new position)

Photo of your draft pick

Explanation


Here is an example of how we should make our pick, quoted (slightly modified) from the baseball draft. You can provide more or less detail in your explanation. Its up to you.


Example:

The Walloping Wonderkinds are proud to select:

Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore Orioles, SP
(Move Aba Alvarez to RP)



Some health concerns last year, and his having a slow start so far but as consistent as they come. And pitching for the O's meant having top 3 worst run support in the entire league among pitchers over 150 innings pitched.

Career lines of 3.97 ERA, 1.29 WHIP with 139 BB / 283 SO.

At age 30, he's much older than Haren, Lester (my two top picks for 2nd round) at 24, but should be a steady, if not spectacular #1 on the Wonderkinds.

P.S. Indians had DFA'd him in 07 before being picked up by the O's, thus the baseball card pic.

Time Limit on Picks
A couple notes. We will have a slightly more tight [i]time limit on picks. Each team owner will have a 6 hour window to make a pick before their pick is skipped. 2 exceptions:

1- On weekends, Saturdays and Sundays, the time limit will be 12 hours
2- The clock will freeze from 12 midnight to 6 am EDT. So. If someone picks at 10pm, and the next guy hasn't picked by midnight, they will use 2 hours of time from 10pm until midnight, and then the clock starts again at 6am with them having 4 more hours.

Also, the owner who has the wraparound picks only gets ONE 6 hour window. Then, they are skipped.

Any owner who as 2 consecutive picks skipped will have his/her team reassigned, so please, only commit if you plan on being able to check back frequently. Also, please understand that even WITH these time windows being instituted, this is a LONG TERM draft. I am hoping that we are able to get through one half a round a day on average. Given he roster requirements below, that means this should take at least 6 weeks, if not more. I'd like to to finish it before the NFL season begins at the very latest.

Proxying
One tool which has been extremely helpful in the baseball RealFantasy draft is proxying. If you see that you will be unable to pick when your turn will be up, please send a short numbered list of 3-4 players to a fellow owner who can make the pick on your behalf. If saves a lot of time and makes for a smoother running draft with less likelihood of dropouts due to waning interest.

Roster Structure
We are going to be drafting offenses and defenses, in addition to a kicker and a punter. That makes a total of 28 rounds.

As far as offense goes, i've allowed for a base setup and a couple of subs. An extra running back for running downs, and an extra WR for passing situations.

Offense
QB
RB
RB
FB
TE
WR
WR
WR
LT
LG
C
RG
RT

On defense, we will be drafting enough LBs and D-linemen to accomodate a 3-4 or a 4-3, and will also be drafting a nickel back.

Defense
DE
DE
DT/NT
DT/NT
ILB
ILB
OLB
OLB
CB
CB
CB
FS
SS

Special Teams
Kicker
Punter

Keep in mind, for both offense and defense, you can move guys around as you would like, but keep in mind, guys playing out of position may hurt your overall defense.

Edited by bsj, 29 June 2009 - 09:00 AM.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

So it begins

[bsj]

Since I posted previously that I would kick things off tomorrow, the clock will officially start ticking as of 6am ET tomorrow morning. HOWEVER, if people are here before that and want to get started early, picks may be submitted as of now.

[3rd Degree]

Thank you so much for using the Guthrie pick as your example. Nothing but love for you, SSF, but that's funny.

Everybody please remember to PM the next person on the clock after you make your pick!

[roundegotrip]

Round 1, Pick 1

With the first pick in the 2009 RealFantasy: Pigskin draft, the Round Ego Bears select:


Tom Brady, New England Patriots, QB



We all know who Brady is and what he's capable of, and there's no player I'd rather build a championship team around. There might be some bumps in the road this year as he makes his way back, but I believe Brady is still capable of performing at an elite level for many years to come.

With the right pieces around him, even at 80% of what he has been in recent years, he'd still be one the best quarterbacks in the NFL. I see that as the worst case scenario. It might be a gamble to take Brady right now, but how can I not take the chance?

[bsj]

Round 1, Pick 1

With the first pick in the 2009 RealFantasy: Pigskin draft, the Round Ego Bears select:


Tom Brady, New England Patriots, QB



We all know who Brady is and what he's capable of, and there's no player I'd rather build a championship team around. There might be some bumps in the road this year as he makes his way back, but I believe Brady is still capable of performing at an elite level for many years to come.

With the right pieces around him, even at 80% of what he has been in recent years, he'd still be one the best quarterbacks in the NFL. I see that as the worst case scenario. It might be a gamble to take Brady right now, but how can I not take the chance?

Can't really argue the pick. Its a dice roll from an injury perspective. But IF he comes back healthy, there is no better winner in the NFL

PS- Dont forget to PM the next person

Edited by bsj, 10 June 2009 - 09:17 PM.

[Ferm Sheller]

Good pick. At the risk of being a Pats homer, I would have picked Brady first if I owned the pick. As you mention, a bit of a gamble due to the injury, but if BB is willing to take that gamble, so am I.

[3rd Degree]

I just sent dgilpin a PM letting him know he's up.

[roundegotrip]

PM sent.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't second guess this pick a little, but I have faith in Brady, and that's what it came down to.

[Dgilpin]

With the 2nd Pick Bengals select: Philip Rivers - QB, San Diego Chargers



This is a pick I might get slammed on. At this point in the draft I think you really have to walk away with a QB, so it came down to Manning or Rivers for me with the ultimate deciding factor being age. Since I'm looking at building my team not just for next season but for a 5-6 year run. It was important for me to go with a young QB who I felt I could count on to contribute for that entire time. With Manning the Bengals are no doubt in great shape regarding the QB position for the next 2 years, however at 35/36 you have to wonder how effective Manning will be with quite a few miles on the odometer. At 27 I think Rivers is just turning the corner as an elite QB, who whether you like him or not has demonstrated his ability to lead and motivate a team. Taking the Chargers to an AFC Championship game while playing on an injuried knee. Aside from all that he did put up some great numbers last season: Comp.%: 65.3, 4009 yds, 34 TDs, 11 Ints, and a QB rating of 105.3. All without an elite WR.

Edit: Update photo to something more flattering

Edited by Dgilpin, 11 June 2009 - 07:01 AM.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Thoroughly shocked.

[dabombdig]

With the 2nd Pick Bengals select: Philip Rivers - QB



This is a pick I might get slammed on. At this point in the draft I think you really have to walk away with a QB, so it came down to Manning or Rivers for me with the ultimate deciding factor being age. Since I'm looking at building my team not just for next season but for a 5-6 year run. So it was important for me to go with a young QB who I felt I could count on to contribute for that entire time. With Manning the Bengals are no doubt in great shape regarding the QB position for the next 2 years, however at 35/36 you have to wonder how effective Manning will be with quite a few miles on the odometer. At 27 I think Rivers is just turning the corner as an elite QB, who whether you like him or not has demonstrated his ability to lead and motivate a team. Taking the Chargers to an AFC Championship game while playing on an injuried knee. Aside from all that he did put up some great numbers last season: Comp.%: 65.3, 4009 yds, 34 TDs, 11 Ints, and a QB rating of 105.3. All without an elite WR.

In order to keep team harmony I would stay away from Ellis Hobbs with your next pic.

[3rd Degree]

The 3D Bills will build their team around:

Peyton Manning, QB



He's no spring chicken at 33, but he is an all-time great and has plenty of football left in him.

His numbers will do the talking for me.



Edited to correct a spelling mistake.

Edited by 3rd Degree, 10 June 2009 - 09:41 PM.

[Dgilpin]

Thoroughly shocked.

Honestly 2nd overall was a bad spot for him, I had a few guys I liked in the first round but none probably deserving of the 2nd overall pick. I was hoping for the 10-15 range. Like I said if it was just a QB for next season, Manning is my guy. But I was looking at this from the prespective if I wanted to build a team to compete for the next 5-6 seasons what QB would I select. With that in mind it basically came down to: Rivers, Cutler, Ryan, and E.Manning. Out of that group I Rivers was the guy I liked best. I really felt like last season was a preview of what he's capable of over the next 5-6 years.

[roundegotrip]

Ah, Manning face. Well done.

[bsj]

Im feelin' I may get the 14th ranked QB at pick 14

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

With the 2nd Pick Bengals select: Philip Rivers - QB, San Diego Chargers

I'm not sure I would take Rivers at 15th, but it's not likely he would make it back to you.

edit:clarity

Edited by DaughtersofDougMirabelli, 10 June 2009 - 10:00 PM.

[Ferm Sheller]

I think we all could foresee that QBs would go early and often in Round One, but I think it's going to get the point that the remaining QBs are so unenticing (and can be easily had in later rounds since we're each limited to one QB) that people will start picking players at other positions in Round One. It will be interesting to see if/when in Round One this trend changes.

[Mystic Merlin]

I like the Rivers pick, but I didn't think anyone would have the balls to pick him over Manning or Roethlisberger.

[roundegotrip]

It's definitely a gutsy pick. I won't say it's the wrong choice, either, with Rivers coming off the season he just had, his age, and his toughness.

[3rd Degree]

I think we all could foresee that QBs would go early and often in Round One, but I think it's going to get the point that the remaining QBs are so unenticing (and can be easily had in later rounds since we're each limited to one QB) that people will start picking players at other positions in Round One. It will be interesting to see if/when in Round One this trend changes.

This is what I'm most looking forward to in the first round.

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

We're talking about 30 year old, married to a supermodel, already won his SBs and coming off injury Tom Brady as the first pick, right?

Holy crap.

Myt, here is our list for round 1, not in order:

Joe Thomas
Patrick Willis
Nnamdi
Vince Wilfork
Jason Peters
Julian Peterson
Jordan Gross
Larry Fitzgerald
Mario Williams

Send the check to me when you realize that you have the greatest team in this thread by a wide margin. With Tom Brady being chosen first and no one batting an eyelid, that should be in round 3 at the latest.

Yours,

RBYB

[Dgilpin]

We're talking about 30 year old, married to a supermodel, already won his SBs and coming off injury Tom Brady as the first pick, right?

Holy crap.

Myt, here is our list for round 1, not in order:

Joe Thomas
Patrick Willis
Nnamdi
Vince Wilfork
Jason Peters
Julian Peterson
Jordan Gross
Larry Fitzgerald
Mario Williams

Send the check to me when you realize that you have the greatest team in this thread by a wide margin. With Tom Brady being chosen first and no one batting an eyelid, that should be in round 3 at the latest.

Yours,

RBYB

Joe Thomas was another guy I debated on, but I still think this early in the draft you have to walk away with a QB you feel can lead your team in the future.

[roundegotrip]

Despite the positive reports on the health of Brady's knee, and his comments about wanting to play for another ten years, I did have some reservations about making the pick. All things considered, though, I feel pretty confident building my team around the guy who no less a football luminary than SoSH's own Rick Burlesons Yam Bag said "has a shot at [being the greatest quarterback of all time], depending on how his next 3-5 years go"

Yeah, I'll give him a shot at doing that on my team.

[ilol@u]

I agree, Tom Brady is a safe/right number one pick. He's said himself he wants to play for another 10 years and he doesn't exactly need a Randy Moss to be putting up numbers or winning considering he has had Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Troy Brown and David Givens as his key WRs before. Hell he doesn't even need a great RB to carry the load.

Philip Rivers im a bit suprised by. He is a top QB, no doubt, but at number 2? But if he's your guy, he's your guy. I doubt he would be there when you pick again, 31 picks later.

[Jed Zeppelin]

I'm still trying to figure out if any quarterbacks are worth these top picks. I just watched Matt Cassel lead a less than perfect team to an 11-5 record.

Conventional wisdom says that quarterbacks are most important but I'm not sure real NFL results have proved that to be true. If I'm next in the draft having seen three quarterbacks go first I'm looking at the best line player available and taking him.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Thank you so much for using the Guthrie pick as your example. Nothing but love for you, SSF, but that's funny.

Everybody please remember to PM the next person on the clock after you make your pick!

LOL - it'll be a loooong time before I can live that down!

[SeoulSoxFan]

With the 2nd Pick Bengals select: Philip Rivers - QB, San Diego Chargers



This is a pick I might get slammed on. At this point in the draft I think you really have to walk away with a QB, so it came down to Manning or Rivers for me with the ultimate deciding factor being age. Since I'm looking at building my team not just for next season but for a 5-6 year run. It was important for me to go with a young QB who I felt I could count on to contribute for that entire time. With Manning the Bengals are no doubt in great shape regarding the QB position for the next 2 years, however at 35/36 you have to wonder how effective Manning will be with quite a few miles on the odometer. At 27 I think Rivers is just turning the corner as an elite QB, who whether you like him or not has demonstrated his ability to lead and motivate a team. Taking the Chargers to an AFC Championship game while playing on an injuried knee. Aside from all that he did put up some great numbers last season: Comp.%: 65.3, 4009 yds, 34 TDs, 11 Ints, and a QB rating of 105.3. All without an elite WR.

And we have our Guthrie! (So this is how it feels, right? right?)

P.S. STFU SSF - Guthrie pick was still way, way worse.

Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 10 June 2009 - 11:49 PM.

[SeoulSoxFan]

I think we all could foresee that QBs would go early and often in Round One, but I think it's going to get the point that the remaining QBs are so unenticing (and can be easily had in later rounds since we're each limited to one QB) that people will start picking players at other positions in Round One. It will be interesting to see if/when in Round One this trend changes.

Agree with 3rd Degree - was about to post what's over/under on when the run on QB ends. Sooner or later you have to go with a stud on D to get more value out of the dredge that's the current crop of B-stringers.

[roundegotrip]

I'm still trying to figure out if any quarterbacks are worth these top picks. I just watched Matt Cassel lead a less than perfect team to an 11-5 record.

Conventional wisdom says that quarterbacks are most important but I'm not sure real NFL results have proved that to be true. If I'm next in the draft having seen three quarterbacks go first I'm looking at the best line player available and taking him.

One way to look at it is that there are a lot more good linemen to choose from than good quarterbacks. If there's a run on quarterbacks in a draft with 32 people picking per round, your choices at QB can get really slim really fast if you're stuck watching it happen for too long. Say I'd taken Joe Thomas with the number one pick, my first shot at a quarterback would be pick 64 in the draft, and I would be screwed.

There isn't likely to be a big run on LTs like on QBs, but if there is and I miss out on the top 25 LTs, there are still four other positions on the line to pick premium talent at, or I can draft an elite RT and move him over, whatever, there are options. If the top 25 QBs are gone, though, your only option is to have a crappy QB running your offense.

Edited by roundegotrip, 11 June 2009 - 12:17 AM.

[SeoulSoxFan]

One way to look at it is that there are a lot more good linemen to choose from than good quarterbacks. If there's a run on quarterbacks in a draft with 32 people picking per round, your choices at QB can get really slim really fast if you're stuck watching it happen for too long. Say I'd taken Joe Thomas with the number one pick, my first shot at a quarterback would be pick 64 in the draft, and I would be screwed.

True, but I think there are a few that are such cornerstones that they trump the 2nd tier QBs. Between the skills picks in RB/WR, a passable (no pun intended) QB can be had in 2nd round if you pick early in the draft.

Either way, I had Rivers below my pick at #6.

[SumnerH]

Round 1, Pick 1

With the first pick in the 2009 RealFantasy: Pigskin draft, the Round Ego Bears select:


Tom Brady, New England Patriots, QB

For future reference, try to pick a picture that shows your player face-planting, with a supermodel, making an idiotic face, or similar. Finding an entertaining picture is really the most important part of these drafts.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Round 1, Pick 1

With the first pick in the 2009 RealFantasy: Pigskin draft, the Round Ego Bears select:


Tom Brady, New England Patriots, QB

2 Guys 1 Lombardi

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

Time Limit on Picks
A couple notes. We will have a slightly more tight [i]time limit on picks. Each team owner will have a 6 hour window to make a pick before their pick is skipped. 2 exceptions:

1- On weekends, Saturdays and Sundays, the time limit will be 12 hours
2- The clock will freeze from 12 midnight to 6 am EDT. So. If someone picks at 10pm, and the next guy hasn't picked by midnight, they will use 2 hours of time from 10pm until midnight, and then the clock starts again at 6am with them having 4 more hours.

Also, the owner who has the wraparound picks only gets ONE 6 hour window. Then, they are skipped.

Any owner who as 2 consecutive picks skipped will have his/her team reassigned, so please, only commit if you plan on being able to check back frequently. Also, please understand that even WITH these time windows being instituted, this is a LONG TERM draft. I am hoping that we are able to get through one half a round a day on average. Given he roster requirements below, that means this should take at least 6 weeks, if not more. I'd like to to finish it before the NFL season begins at the very latest.

I think I'm online enough to be a fairly committed team owner. However, I am on a very different schedule in that I tend to stay online until 4-5 a.m. for work, then don't get back to the computer until around 12-1 p.m.. So if there are a lot of picks early in the morning, I might be at risk here. I'll do my best. Whoever picks after me should note that I will never be around in the morning, though.

[roundegotrip]

For future reference, try to pick a picture that shows your player face-planting, with a supermodel, making an idiotic face, or similar. Finding an entertaining picture is really the most important part of these drafts.

Roger that.

[D Jack's Dome]

I'm hyperventilating right now I'm so pumped to do this draft.

Or maybe it's the Brady/Goat picture...

Either way, I'm excited.

[The Best Catch in 100 Years]

I'm going to be traveling for the next 20 hours or so, so apologies if I'm a little late with my pick.

[UNCSoxFan5]

I am not sure I would have taken Rivers at #9, I was certainly considering it, but was not 100% positive I would.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Did somebody PM Papelbon's Poutine? I think he is on the clock.

[TheNeedle]

I am not sure I would have taken Rivers at #9, I was certainly considering it, but was not 100% positive I would.

Can't say he was even in my head for 10, but maybe that's just me. It's fine for a first round pick though if you really like him. I see it a lot like the Tony Sanchez pick by the Pirates on Tuesday... a bit of a reach, but decent enough considering we can't trade draft picks.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

There isn't likely to be a big run on LTs like on QBs, but if there is and I miss out on the top 25 LTs, there are still four other positions on the line to pick premium talent at, or I can draft an elite RT and move him over, whatever, there are options. If the top 25 QBs are gone, though, your only option is to have a crappy QB running your offense.

LT and RT skill sets are completely different. Just taking an elite right tackle and moving him over is not going to be as successful as you might think. The LT needs to be your best pass blocker along with being quick and agile to handle the defenses strongest pass rusher, while the RT is usually a stronger pusher to provide holes for the running back on the right side.

I think there are plenty of good QBs to go around, the Bucs won a super bowl with Brad Johnson.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I'm still trying to figure out if any quarterbacks are worth these top picks. I just watched Matt Cassel lead a less than perfect team to an 11-5 record.

Conventional wisdom says that quarterbacks are most important but I'm not sure real NFL results have proved that to be true. If I'm next in the draft having seen three quarterbacks go first I'm looking at the best line player available and taking him.

I think that QB is absolutely without doubt the most important position in football.

The real question is how much better is the "Number 5" guy (to take a semi-random number) than the "Number 20" guy (to take another semi-random number)? I think there are a few players that are true game changers, but after that you have a lot of guys who might be ranked pretty high on most lists of QBs but are not obviously better than their peers. They've just played in better systems with better talent and more stable coaching.

Cassell is a great example of this, as is Aaron Rodgers. Not to defend Josh McDaniels, but the ease with which the Broncos traded a supposedly "franchise" QB also suggests that many people in the league realize that guys who aren't truly highest echelon QBs are not as valuable as the media and simple stat comparisons would make you think. An interesting test will be what happens with Kyle Orton in Denver. I think he could be pretty successful, despite a weak arm and a penchant for being photographed while hammered.

Edited by Morgan's Magic Snowplow, 11 June 2009 - 08:16 AM.

[UNCSoxFan5]

Can't say he was even in my head for 10, but maybe that's just me. It's fine for a first round pick though if you really like him. I see it a lot like the Tony Sanchez pick by the Pirates on Tuesday... a bit of a reach, but decent enough considering we can't trade draft picks.

Feeling is, that if I won't pick again until 51, then I may be settling for a Mark Sanchez/Chad Pennington type QB later on. I think the measurable difference between those QB's and a top tier QB might be bigger than on the defensive side or with a lineman.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

Feeling is, that if I won't pick again until 51, then I may be settling for a Mark Sanchez/Chad Pennington type QB later on. I think the measurable difference between those QB's and a top tier QB might be bigger than on the defensive side or with a lineman.

Chad Pennington did just lead the Dolphins to a playoff berth and the 4th best overall record in the AFC at 11-5.

[UNCSoxFan5]

Chad Pennington did just lead the Dolphins to a playoff berth and the 4th best overall record in the AFC at 11-5.

But with a fresh draft, I don't think I will come close to having the same type of defense and weapons around Pennington. Just my two cents.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

But with a fresh draft, I don't think I will come close to having the same type of defense and weapons around Pennington. Just my two cents.

I understand what you are saying in the abstract, but are we talking about the same 2008 Miami Dolphins?

[D Jack's Dome]

2 1/2 hour countdown for poutine...

[UNCSoxFan5]

I understand what you are saying in the abstract, but are we talking about the same 2008 Miami Dolphins?

Ran for 1800 yards at 4.2 yards a carry, finished 9th in points allowed a game, with 40 sacks and 32 turnovers. That is a pretty solid defense along with a good running game. Again, maybe Pennington isn't the best example of my point.

[bsj]

2 1/2 hour countdown for poutine...

Actually, 3 1/2 hours. Poutine went on the clock at 6am ET. At 12 Noon, he will be skipped.

I am PMing him.

EDIT- you probably meant 2 1/2 left...my bad

Edited by bsj, 11 June 2009 - 08:42 AM.

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Ran for 1800 yards at 4.2 yards a carry, finished 9th in points allowed a game, with 40 sacks and 32 turnovers. That is a pretty solid defense along with a good running game. Again, maybe Pennington isn't the best example of my point.

No worries, I am just giving you shit.

I do think their talent on both sides of the ball is pretty average-to-mediocre. They had an easy schedule and Sparano did a great coaching job.