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#1 modifydbear

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:05 PM

From Bob Ryan's chat earlier today:

Dewey24: Looks like Orlando Cabrera is on the outs in Chicago. Should the Sox consider bringing him back here next year, even with Lowrie?
Bob Ryan: There's a reason why he has bounced around that has nothing to do with what he does on the field, and we'll leave it at that.
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Jeff_from_Maine: Re: Cabrera. Don't reporters have a responsibility to, you know, report, instead of protecting the players and maintaining ridiculous unspoken "rules?"
Bob Ryan: It has nothing to do with "rules." It has to do with not wanting to get sued if you're wrong. I'm just telling you there's a reason why he's been bouncing around.


Anybody know what the apparently potentially slanderous implication is here? If it were simply general attitude/conduct issues, I have to think Ryan wouldn't need to be this careful.

http://www.boston.co...ob_ryan_qa.html

#2 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:16 PM

To this day I'm still not exactly sure what was happening behind the scenes that led to Cabrera's departure from the team.

#3 mikeford


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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:18 PM

I've heard that he just rolls with a shady entourage of essentially ghetto thugs.

Thats the rumor anyway. Definitely makes sense that Ryan didn't air it out for fear of getting sued though.

#4 STLNorm

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:23 PM

I've heard that he just rolls with a shady entourage of essentially ghetto thugs.

Thats the rumor anyway. Definitely makes sense that Ryan didn't air it out for fear of getting sued though.


If you're right, he may be more worried about getting killed than getting sued.

#5 Naehring11

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:26 PM

If you're right, he may be more worried about getting killed than getting sued.



The rumor from 2004 was that he banged Keith Foulke's wife. Reporters are always pretty vague about it.

#6 NYbornBostonfan

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:38 PM

The rumor from 2004 was that he banged Keith Foulke's wife. Reporters are always pretty vague about it.


I've also heard the rumor but it was Manny's wife and I've also heard that he was really rude/disrespectful to people working in the clubhouse...

Edited by NYbornBostonfan, 03 October 2008 - 03:38 PM.


#7 brs3


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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:41 PM

I've also heard the rumor but it was Manny's wife and I've also heard that he was really rude/disrespectful to people working in the clubhouse...


I've heard it was Tek's too..so I'm willing to guess it's none of the above!

edit: the absurdity is getting out of hand.

I heard he fucked a goat!

Edited by brs3, 03 October 2008 - 03:46 PM.


#8 mandro ramtinez

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:42 PM

I've heard an even more pernicious rumor that he had relations with a girl who was below the age of consent.

#9 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:01 PM

Maybe he fucked Bob Ryan.

#10 Dollar

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:32 PM

I've heard an even more pernicious rumor that he had relations with a girl who was below the age of consent.

That's the one I've always heard.

And also, the goat thing too.

Edited by Dollar, 03 October 2008 - 04:33 PM.


#11 shepard50

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 04:41 PM

I don't know about the gangsta' angle, it may be true. It has been repeatedly reported that he is a terrible team mate. He regularly shows up at 7PM, throws his team mates under the bus to the press, calls the scorer during the game to argue his attributed errors (how would you feel if you were the teammate he was arguing to the scorer SHOULD be charged the error?) He calls his team mates clowns and losers, (but doesn't show any real leadership himself). And this is apparently the story with him everywhere he has been.

Cabrera Greases His Way Out Of Chicago

"Give Orlando Cabrera credit: Between hands of Texas Hold 'Em, playing dominoes and mastering the art of the five-minute change, shower and dash after games, the White Sox shortstop has found time to set the stage for his exit from the South Side."


Yesterday's game was the perfect example. his team is down to the Rays, bases are jacked. Balfour on the mound, and has just sent Uribe down on strikes. Ball one to OCab is outside and as Balfour settles on the rubber before the second pitch Ocab furiously kicks dirt all over the plate and out at Balfour and yells: ‘‘Throw it over the plate.’’!

He then proceeds to whiff on exactly two more pitches.

Is all that worth it for a 9M league average SS? (yeah yeah 2007 excepted)

EDIT: added quote and article

Edited by shepard50, 04 October 2008 - 09:29 PM.


#12 HonestIago6

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 02:28 PM

From Bob Ryan's chat earlier today:



Anybody know what the apparently potentially slanderous implication is here? If it were simply general attitude/conduct issues, I have to think Ryan wouldn't need to be this careful.

http://www.boston.co...ob_ryan_qa.html


I dont have any links, but from what I have been told by someone I know who works behind the big green wall, O-Cab has a tendency to hit on any and every skirt who happens by the clubhouse. Including Manny's wife, and other spouses of team employees. And not just the wives, even team employees. Ass slapping and inappropriate comments happened most days of the week.

I know you have to trust someone with god, what 12 posts? But thats what I've heard.

#13 Mr. Baseball

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 02:32 PM

I've heard an even more pernicious rumor that he had relations with a girl who was below the age of consent.


I've heard this rumor too, with enough facts (although essentially hearsay) provided by the person who told it to me to make me believe it has some legitimacy.

#14 RedSox04

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 04:29 PM

I've heard about these rumors, too. Something has to be true, because the Red Sox seemed to want no part of him after 2004. Maybe this will finally open some people's eyes and prevent them from whining about how we let Cabrera go and how Cabrera > whoever is playing SS. (Soon, I do think Lowrie > Cabrera.)

If the Red Sox really wanted him, they would have kept him. They didn't really want him, and there is a reason why. I think you have to trust the Sox brass judgment.

#15 shepard50

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 09:40 PM

I've heard this rumor too, with enough facts (although essentially hearsay) provided by the person who told it to me to make me believe it has some legitimacy.



I've heard about these rumors, too. Something has to be true, because the Red Sox seemed to want no part of him after 2004. Maybe this will finally open some people's eyes and prevent them from whining about how we let Cabrera go and how Cabrera > whoever is playing SS. (Soon, I do think Lowrie > Cabrera.)

If the Red Sox really wanted him, they would have kept him. They didn't really want him, and there is a reason why. I think you have to trust the Sox brass judgment.



If you've actually heard these rumours from a legitimate source, tell us about it: who is your source, how do they know, are they motivated to be honest, what was the situation? Having read this thread, I have now heard these rumours and can say so, completely unlegitimised, which means absolutely nothing, because all anyone who has posited this theory has said is "I heard it too!". Did you hear it from someone who was harassed by Cabrera, someone who knows Cabrera?

If you've heard it with facts Mr, Baseball, how is it essentially hearsay? Aren't those two different things?

Look, it's an interesting theory, but please help to validate it if you're going to post it. At least HonestIago tells us he heard it from a guy who works at Fenway.

What separates this site from most internet drivel, is a desire by its readers and posters to get to some data supported points of view. The fact that nobody wants this guy, even though he is a consistent achiever means SOMETHING is up, and Bob Ryan alluded to it. I am really intrigued. What is the bad rap on Ocab, and why would Ryan intimate that he doesn't want to open himself up to a lawsuit by saying anything more? Can anyone provide much needed insight here?

EDITS: massively bad typing-as usual

Edited by shepard50, 04 October 2008 - 09:44 PM.


#16 Mr. Baseball

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 10:19 PM

I shouldn't have said facts. I said 'hearsay' because I'm hearing this from a person who himself isn't involved at all. I took it as 'factual', or somewhat valid, because when he told me he seemed to know what he was talking about. Basically it was a rumor that I, when told a couple weeks ago, had never heard before. When I saw the same rumor posted in this thread, I gave it (my friend's story) more legitimacy. Believe me though, I don't know anything more than that I've heard the same rumor as others here have.

edit: typos

Edited by Mr. Baseball, 04 October 2008 - 10:21 PM.


#17 buffalo wings

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Posted 05 October 2008 - 06:04 PM

maybe we can get EEI to ask Curt about it....Im sure he might want to chime in. i have always wondered why he left. i really liked him.

#18 Smead Jolley

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 07:10 AM

Maybe all the rumors about harassing women are a smokescreen to cover up that he's gay?
That was the first thing I thought when I saw all his little acts and routines in '04...he just acted like some very openly and flamboyantly gay people I knew. I don't have anything else to back that up.
I certainly wouldn't care if he was gay, but I can see it being a problem in a clubhouse full of macho lunkhead baseball players.

#19 Smiling Joe Hesketh


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Posted 06 October 2008 - 07:39 AM

I've been following this thread and thought I'd pop in for a second.

When OCab was here, the Inside Track in the Herald ran an item that strongly hinted that he was seen in his car with two VERY underage girls (14 or so). I have also heard that he rolled with an extremely undesirable crowd, and that his personal behavior was borderline psychotic.

All rumors of course and who knows the veracity, but there's been quite a bit of smoke surrounding this guy for several years.

#20 NYbornBostonfan

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:48 AM

I've been following this thread and thought I'd pop in for a second.

When OCab was here, the Inside Track in the Herald ran an item that strongly hinted that he was seen in his car with two VERY underage girls (14 or so). I have also heard that he rolled with an extremely undesirable crowd, and that his personal behavior was borderline psychotic.

All rumors of course and who knows the veracity, but there's been quite a bit of smoke surrounding this guy for several years.


Scroll down to the end and read "Email #1". It's more hearsay but it attaches a name to the source.

http://www.barstools...m_thoughts/687/

#21 bob burda

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 12:37 PM

When he was with the RS his interviews on radio were borderline incomprehensible, but not in a language barrier/translating Spanish to English in his head kind of way - more like in a confusing, rapid, and getting off on tangents sort of way. The kicking of the dirt at Balfour had a Piersall type quality to it. The suggestion of a certain instability and poor judgment all make him look like what - in the old days - would have been called a "head case."

Who knows what's really going on, but there always people around who don't carry a diagnostic label but seem very unstable/weird/hilarious/scary all at the same time.

Cabrera is the only Red Sox player I've ever seen throw an elbow at an infielder in trying to break up a double play. Interestingly, the only OTHER player I've ever seen do this, is Slappy.




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