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Daughters of Bela Karolyi (Women's Gymnastics)


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#1 Hendu's Gait


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Posted 09 August 2008 - 07:46 PM

Team USA men's gymnastics is doing well in prelims.


Gymnastics is, at minimum, a top-4 Olympic sport by American audience interest. Certainly not a "nobody cares about" sport like Fencing.

Please start a new thread, per URI's request in the locked thread.

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 10:06 PM

Gymnastics is, at minimum, a top-4 Olympic sport by American audience interest. Certainly not a "nobody cares about" sport like Fencing.

Please start a new thread, per URI's request in the locked thread.

Most of those viewers watch women's gymnastics, not men.

I'm not exactly a fan of watching men's gymnastics, but these Chinese guys on the still rings are ridiculous. I can barely lift my ass off the crapper, and what these guys are doing just blows me away.

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:22 PM

Sorry, but there's no way that all of these girls on the Chinese women's gymnastics team are 16. A bunch of them can't be older than 12.

Haha, one of the little bitches just fell on her ass on the bar thingy. That's what you get for cheating!

Edited by Ed Hillel, 10 August 2008 - 07:28 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:42 PM

Sorry, but there's no way that all of these girls on the Chinese women's gymnastics team are 16. A bunch of them can't be older than 12.

Haha, one of the little bitches just fell on her ass on the bar thingy. That's what you get for cheating!


Seriously, wtf. The analyst went over the controversy, so I figured I'd watch a bit to see if I could tell how old the Chinese team is and I'll be damned if any them are over 12 years old (save that old looking one who apparently competed in the 2000 games).

Edited by Ahriman, 10 August 2008 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:45 PM

Seriously, wtf. They analyst went over the controversy, so I figured I'd watch a bit to see if I could tell how old the Chinese team is and I'll be damned if any them are over 12 years old (save that old looking one who apparently competed in the 2000 games).


its actually uncomfortable watching these gymnasts. they look 10 years old

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:47 PM

You know how I do:

Breaking out....

#7 DJnVa


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 07:55 PM

Unintentionally humorous line from Bela:

"We are in the business of gymnastics and we know what a kid of 14 or 15 or 16 looks like. You don't have to be a gymnastics coach to know what they look like at 16."



#8 Sille Skrub

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:17 PM

Which one on the women's team is a local?

Um, asking for a friend.

Or something...

#9 The Napkin


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:18 PM

Alicia, the one that just vaulted. So says a friend.

#10 Sille Skrub

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:19 PM

My friend says thanks for the info, Nap.

#11 drleather2001


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:20 PM

So what did I miss? Just tuning in now.

Was there some fuckups or something?

#12 tims4wins


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:26 PM

Not a big fan of their uniforms or whatever you call them

And their performance has been an utter disaster

Edited by tims4wins, 10 August 2008 - 08:35 PM.


#13 Sille Skrub

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:35 PM

Ouch.

#14 gingerbreadmann

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:36 PM

Alicia Sacramone's father is my dentist.


And this is going awfully.

#15 DJnVa


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:37 PM

So what did I miss? Just tuning in now.

Was there some fuckups or something?



One of the American chicks was injured and could only participate in one event. In each event, 5 go, and the low score is dropped...in all but one event the US only has 4 going now--no low score to drop.

#16 Jnai


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:37 PM

How does scoring work in this sport?

What do you need to advance?

Doesn't look good so far. Ow.

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:39 PM

Don't these girls love America? :)

#18 Ed Hillel


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:44 PM

Wow, the've been amazing on the balace beam.

#19 DJnVa


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:44 PM

Big fan of Nastia Liukin.

#20 Ahriman


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:45 PM

How does scoring work in this sport?


I think I figured that part out: there's the left score that tell us how difficult whatever is going to be and the right one tells us how close to a perfect 10 that performance is. So a 5 on the left and a 9 on the right makes the final score a... 14.

Edited by Ahriman, 10 August 2008 - 08:46 PM.


#21 Jnai


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:46 PM

I think I figured that part out: there's the left score that tell us how difficult whatever is going to be and the right one tells us how close to a perfect 10 that perfmance is. So a 5 on the left and a 9 on the right makes the final score a... 14.


Right. I understand that they add the difficulty and the execution.

But there's no good way to know what anyone else can realistically score because you don't know how hard their routines are going to be, so the numbers all seem meaningless.

#22 Obscure Name


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:47 PM

SHE GOT ROBBED.

#23 Ed Hillel


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:48 PM

I think I figured that part out: there's the left score that tell us how difficult whatever is going to be and the right one tells us how close to a perfect 10 that performance is. So a 5 on the left and a 9 on the right makes the final score a... 14.


Yeah, the difficulty thing is a constant and predetermined. From there they start at 10 and deduct points based on some stuff we notice and mostly stuff we don't.

At least, that's what I've gathered.

But there's no good way to know what anyone else can realistically score because you don't know how hard their routines are going to be, so the numbers all seem meaningless.


No, I think the difficulty is predetermined and the judges know.

Edited by Ed Hillel, 10 August 2008 - 08:49 PM.


#24 DJnVa


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:48 PM

Apparently 17 is the new 10. Or something like that. I don't see any difficulty over a 7, so that plus a 10 gives you 17.

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:49 PM

They're dominating the beam, at least.

#26 Ed Hillel


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:50 PM

Wow, these poor girls can't even huddle up without the whole world listening.

Drop a few F bombs...for America!

Edited by Ed Hillel, 10 August 2008 - 08:51 PM.


#27 Jnai


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:50 PM

No, I think the difficulty is predetermined and the judges know.


Right. But the viewers don't.

#28 Lazy vs Crazy

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:50 PM

This whole camera in the huddle thing is kind of creepy and awkward. Let the girls have a moment.

#29 Ahriman


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:51 PM

Cut to the swimming already! FFS!

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:51 PM

They're dominating the beam, at least.


They had 3 of the top 4 overall beam scores, but only 2 per country can make the event finals. So, the chick that finished 4th overall in the prelims on the beam doesn't get to go for a medal in that event despite scoring higher than a number of others that will.

#31 Ed Hillel


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:52 PM

They had 3 of the top 4 overall beam scores, but only 2 per country can make the event finals. So, the chick that finished 4th overall in the prelims on the beam doesn't get to go for a medal in that event despite scoring higher than a number of others that will.


It's such a stupid rule. This is the olympics, not the all star game.

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:53 PM

So, US women finished #2 behind China. Everyone starts even, with only 3 gymnasts going in each event, which helps the US.

#33 Ed Hillel


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:55 PM

Wow, Costas is a prick.

#34 Ahriman


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:56 PM

Is this guy gymnastics answer to Don Cherry?

#35 Obscure Name


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Posted 10 August 2008 - 08:59 PM

A judge gave Shawn an 8.8 for execution? wtf?!

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 11:49 PM

Big fan of Nastia Liukin.


I missed the entire prelims. Might try to catch the condensed replay at 2, but how did she and Shawn perform? Did either of them qualify for any individual events?

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 10:56 AM

I dont understand the scoring. I dont understand how that little Johnson kid got only .25 more than Sac even though she was supposedly perfect.

Gymnastics was always a sport that many sports fans didnt get. So subjective etc. But at least the scoring system was comprehensible. 10 is perfect. Deduct from that.

Dumbasses making everything harder.

Edited by bsj, 11 August 2008 - 10:57 AM.


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Posted 11 August 2008 - 11:58 AM

I watched, and also was a little lost as to the scoring.

BTW can anyone list how these results figure into the American Team making it to the al arounds and the event finals? Which of them will compete, etc.?

It was interesting that the team was so shorthanded, they had one injured member who could only compete at the bars, and another who injured herself before the competition who also only competed at the bars. Still, the sport may not be the same without either the Soviets/Russian team or otherwise the Eastern Eoroppeans. Whetever happened to Romania? They used to still field good teams after the fall of Communism.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 12:27 PM

http://www.stickitme...nastics-scores/

The new system is based on two separate panels of scores. The A panel judges the requirements, difficulty, and connections of a routine. The scoring starts at zero and then adds points accordingly. The B panel judges the execution of a routine, and the scoring starts at 10 with points deducted accordingly for execution and for any applicable violations such as stepping out of bounds or being over the time limit. The two panels are then added together for the final score. Fans will soon see good scores such as 15.75 instead of 9.5. A very good score will range in the 15s and 16s.

What’s to make of this change? FIG decided after the 2004 Athens Olympics to make the change to allow greater separation of gymnastics scores. Now gymnasts will be rewarded and not punished for having more difficult routines, provided they are executed well. We may well remember Alexei Nemov’s beautiful swan song high bar routine at the Athens Olympics in 2004, and the judges’ score that displeased the crowd enough for many minutes of booing. Perhaps incidents like that triggered the need to reward the exciting and the new in gymnastics.

Yet a gymnast with less difficult routines can benefit by having higher B panel scores to make up for his lower A panel ones. A clean, sharp routine, excellently executed, can beat out a show-stopping routine with many deductions in it. Some of the best routines are the ones that make gymnastics look easy.

Do the gymnasts like the new scoring? Actually, Paul Hamm and his twin Morgan used the new scoring system to determine whether or not to return to the sport after taking a couple of years off to get their college degrees. Paul felt that the new system would indeed help him, because he always has a good deal of difficulty built into his routines. Many young club level gymnasts and their coaches have felt the need to add difficulty to their routines to get higher scores. There is definitely a payoff for taking on risk and successfully executing harder routines.



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Posted 11 August 2008 - 12:56 PM

I missed the entire prelims. Might try to catch the condensed replay at 2, but how did she and Shawn perform? Did either of them qualify for any individual events?


Johnson and Liukin qualified #1 and #2 overall for the all-around. These scores don't carry over however. Sloan qualified 11th, but only 2 from each country advance, so again, gymnasts that scored lower than her will keep going. Even worse, Russia had numbers 5, 6, 7 and #7 is done for the all-around.


In the individual events, as near as I can tell:
Floor: Johnson (#3) and Liukin (#4)
Balance beam: Liukin (#2) and Johnson (#3). #4 Sacramone doesn't qualify.
Uneven: Liukin (#5)
Vault: Sacramone (#3)

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 02:37 PM

Right. I understand that they add the difficulty and the execution.

But there's no good way to know what anyone else can realistically score because you don't know how hard their routines are going to be, so the numbers all seem meaningless.

Yeah, the new scoring system is very unfriendly to the casual fan. It's a shame. I'd like NBC to show the A score of each gymnast before she competes; the audience might not understand the details, but it would give them a better guess at how hard each routine is and what to expect. For example, Shawn's A score on uneven bars is 6.4 and Nastia's is 7.7, so Shawn will score lower than Nastia if each hits her routine.

I'm still in shock that the US wore those leos in the Olympics. Sadly, the other US Olympic leos I've seen are also awful, so I'm expecting the worst for team finals.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 04:36 PM

I edited the title of the thread due to DJ's creation of the Gaylord thread.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:27 PM

China's army of 2nd graders is out for blood.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:34 PM

So the US has to sit next to China?

#45 gtg807y

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:37 PM

Some of those Chinese kids are 8 year olds.

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:39 PM

At least they have better looking leos tonight. Maybe they won't suck as much

#47 3.2.itch

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:40 PM

why do the US women look so miserable?

#48 gtg807y

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:42 PM

I'm sorry, how exactly is it like Waiting for Godot?

Edited by gtg807y, 12 August 2008 - 09:42 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2008 - 09:48 PM

I REALLY wish she could stop with the crossed foot on the landing

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Posted 12 August 2008 - 10:03 PM

So US ahead of China after one rotation, vault is supposedly China's weak event though, right?