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#301 shane88888

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 01:32 AM

No he won't. He's never been close to Crocker's record of 50.40. He will probably win, but no WR.


Top 25 Swims All-Time - 100 Butterfly LCM
Michael Phelps
#3(50.77), #5 (50.89), #7 (51.04), #9/10 (51.10), #11 (51.15), Tie-#13 (Ian Crocker, 51.25), #17 (51.34), #19 (51.39), #23 (51.47)

Phelps has taken 0.9 seconds off the 200 free, 0.57 off the 200 IM, 1.41 off the 400 IM, and 0.06 off the 200 fly (with the leaky goggles during a swim he was obviously pissed about) at this Olympics.

In the last 5 months, Sullivan and Bernard have taken 0.79 off the 100 free record.


Phelps' best time is 0.37 off the record. He will be fresh for the 100 fly - he has no other races tomorrow. He has one other race left on the program but nothing to worry about; a gold medal in the 4x100 medley is a given.

Fully tapered Phelps + LZR suit + fast Beijing pool + monster competitor going for history = 100 fly record very much in play.

#302 Ed Hillel


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 11:12 AM

I am absolutely rooting for Crocker. I love Phelps, but what the hell is wrong with him winning seven golds and Crocker one?



Especially after what happened in 2004. At that time, Ian probably wins 80+ out of 100 races against Phelps in the 100 fly and he ended up losing by .04 in the last 10 meters.

Phelps' best time is 0.37 off the record. He will be fresh for the 100 fly - he has no other races tomorrow. He has one other race left on the program but nothing to worry about; a gold medal in the 4x100 medley is a given.


What leg of the 4X100 is Phelps swimming? If it's not the fly, then Ian will be on the team no matter what, right? If it is the fly, as it was in 2004, then Phelps will have to beat Ian to qualify.

As for the .37 second shave, I still don't think it's going to happen. We'll see, though.

Edited by Ed Hillel, 15 August 2008 - 11:13 AM.


#303 DegenerateSoxFan

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 11:39 AM

As for the .37 second shave, I still don't think it's going to happen. We'll see, though.


I'd be shocked if he didn't get the record. Phelps rises to the occasion like no one else, and this is really the last chance anyone has to knock him off. Barring a DQ, the US wins the medley going away. Also, although he did get the record in the 200, he might have gone up to a second faster if his goggles hadn't filled with water (from personal experience, I can tell you he might as well have been blind)

Clearly, he had a good taper coming in and was perfectly trained and rested for these games. I think he makes a statement with this one - about 50.20 give or take a few hundredths.

Edited by DegenerateSoxFan, 15 August 2008 - 11:41 AM.


#304 deythur

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 11:53 AM

Especially after what happened in 2004. At that time, Ian probably wins 80+ out of 100 races against Phelps in the 100 fly and he ended up losing by .04 in the last 10 meters.
What leg of the 4X100 is Phelps swimming? If it's not the fly, then Ian will be on the team no matter what, right? If it is the fly, as it was in 2004, then Phelps will have to beat Ian to qualify.

As for the .37 second shave, I still don't think it's going to happen. We'll see, though.



Phelps will be swimming the fly in the relay, unless he loses to Crocker. Phelps did give up his spot on the relay in '04 after beating Crocker. Who knows maybe Crocker would do the same if he were to win.

I think Phelps wins anyway and does it in world record time. This is his Olympics and i dont think anyone will beat him.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:01 PM

FWIW, Crocker swam fly in the prelims earlier today.

#306 shane88888

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:07 PM

FWIW, Crocker swam fly in the prelims earlier today.


2nd place finisher in the trials swims the prelim heat at the Olympics. Phelps won at Trials.

Even if Crocker beats Phelps in the 100, there's no f-ing way he doesn't give his spot in the finals to Phelps.

#307 deythur

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:15 PM

2nd place finisher in the trials swims the prelim heat at the Olympics. Phelps won at Trials.

Even if Crocker beats Phelps in the 100, there's no f-ing way he doesn't give his spot in the finals to Phelps.


I was wondering about this, say Crocker does beat Phelps in the 100 does he give up the spot or maybe a better question does Phelps accept?

It would be a nice gesture returning the favor from '04. Since Phelps wouldnt be going for his 8th gold would he step aside and let Crocker swim the relay even if it was offered to him?

Phelps would still get a gold giving him 7 but it wouldnt be 8 so maybe he backs away.

Just a thought.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:30 PM

So, why exactly would a guy swimming for his second gold medal give up his final so that poor Michael Phelps could get his seventh? This is not how charity works. Phelps would be a douche bag to accept that (in this hypothetical situation).

#309 B H Kim

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:34 PM

So, why exactly would a guy swimming for his second gold medal give up his final so that poor Michael Phelps could get his seventh? This is not how charity works. Phelps would be a douche bag to accept that (in this hypothetical situation).

Crocker would get a medal for swimming in the prelims, even if Phelps were to take his spot in the final.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:35 PM

So, why exactly would a guy swimming for his second gold medal give up his final so that poor Michael Phelps could get his seventh? This is not how charity works. Phelps would be a douche bag to accept that (in this hypothetical situation).


Because they would both get medals. The prelim swimmers get them too. It's set up for Phelps to swim in the finals and Crocker can go all out and try to beat him in the 100, knowing they both get them for the relay. And since Phelps did the good turn for Crocker in '04, of course it's reciprocated here.

#311 Ed Hillel


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:44 PM

So, why exactly would a guy swimming for his second gold medal give up his final so that poor Michael Phelps could get his seventh? This is not how charity works. Phelps would be a douche bag to accept that (in this hypothetical situation).


Well, in 2004 Michael beat Ian and Michael backed off to let Ian race in the relay. I would guess that Ian would extend the same offer here, especially because Michael is the more consistent racer right now.

#312 deythur

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 12:53 PM

Well, in 2004 Michael beat Ian and Michael backed off to let Ian race in the relay. I would guess that Ian would extend the same offer here, especially because Michael is the more consistent racer right now.


So the question then becomes, does Phelps accept the gesture by Crocker or does he let Crocker take his rightful place in the relay?

again i think Phelps wins the 100 but for conversations sake.

#313 gaelgirl


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 01:11 PM

Few quick points: If Crocker wins tonight (tomorrow morning, whatever) and doesn't give up his spot in the finals, that's the biggest dick move in the Olympics swimming events. Crocker's getting whatever medal the U.S. team gets no matter what he does. He'd be denying Phelps the chance to tie Spitz, which is especially shitty after Phelps gave up his spot four years ago so Crocker could have the chance to get the gold. I put the chances of this happening at about 500-1 unless Phelps looks so awful in the 100 that the team thinks he will significantly hurt the relay time.

Secondly, the "that's not Dara Torres" comment referred to her huge staff of people/trainers, which includes two stretchers, two massuses and an electric muscle stimulation guy. So, a picture of a swimmer with a swarm of people massaging and stretching them looks a bit like Torres' routine.

I think the "advantage" of lane 1 or 8 is really only for sprints, when all the racers are all bunched up and creating a powerful wake. In longer races, the chances of eight racers all making a turn in the same second is fairly slim. In a sprint, the difference between first and last is so slim that losing that half-second from being knocked around in the wake could cost a medal. So, in the outside lanes you have to deal with that on one side of the lane. However, you can't really see the field and you can't drag off two swimmers (I'd imagine a person in the middle of two of the fastest racers would be faster than if they were out in the outside lanes just because of the benefits of the drag).

I can't believe how easily Phelps won the 200IM. I thought for sure that was going to come down to fractions of a second. The 100 fly is going to be tough. He's got the pressure of winning the seventh gold, but he also has the excitement of it, too. Judging from the times set in the last year, Phelps will beat Crocker. There's other swimmers in the race, though, that will be very tough. Someone set the Olympic record (and second-fastest time in history) in the prelims (Phelps has the third-fastest). Then again, I thought he would have trouble in some of his other races, too.

One thing is certain: Crocker seems like a great person. In any other circumstances I would be stoked if he won. And I will be very happy for him if he does, just a little less stoked than he deserves as a gold medalist.

Edited by gaelgirl, 15 August 2008 - 01:12 PM.


#314 Greg29fan


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 02:15 PM

Someone set the Olympic record (and second-fastest time in history) in the prelims (Phelps has the third-fastest).


That was Cavic from Serbia (I think).

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:31 PM

10:03 Women's 200m Backstroke -- Final

10:10 Men's 100m Butterfly -- Final

10:16 Women's 800m Freestyle -- Final

10:39 Men's 50m Freestyle -- Final

#316 gaelgirl


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 08:21 PM

Less than an hour away now!!

Unless you're on the West Coast. It's only one of most important races in the most important sporting event in the world, right?

#317 BigMike


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:07 PM

Is this available online?? I've been searching the NBC olympics and seem to find everything but the swimming

#318 amh03


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:07 PM

Phelps is up now...

#319 neil

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

PHELPS JUST GETS IT!

#320 SoxScout


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

how the fuuuuuckkkk????

#321 Ahriman


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

Whoa...

#322 cutman1000

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

sad;okfjfasf;dkfljasdkf!!!!!

How did he win that!?

#323 PayrodsFirstClutchHit

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

I just shat myself.

#324 Obscure Name


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

Uh, did he win?

#325 DJnVa


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

Wow

#326 Dollar

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

Holy fucking fuck.

#327 amh03


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

Wow! Unbelievable!!

#328 Obscure Name


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:10 PM

I seriously thought he lost.

#329 Monbo Jumbo


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:11 PM

0.01 sec

#330 SoxScout


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:11 PM

holy fuck, that was amazing. i thought it was fixed, but the other guy went for the wall too early.

#331 Obscure Name


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:12 PM

wtf

#332 DJnVa


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:12 PM

The other guy was like inches from touching.....how did he not beat him?

#333 amh03


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:13 PM

The other guy just coasted in...if he had continued pushing, Phelps would have silver right now.

Edited by amh03, 15 August 2008 - 09:14 PM.


#334 Catcher Block

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:14 PM

Replay after replay, it still doesn't look like he won. Unreal.

#335 Ahriman


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:14 PM

I really hate Andrea Kramer. Same stupid questions about emotions.

#336 sachmoney


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:14 PM

That...was...amazing...

Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes
Hail! Hail! To Michigan, the leaders and the best!
Hail! to the victors valiant
Hail! to the conquering heroes
Hail! Hail! To Michigan the Champions of the West!
Go Blue!

Michael Phelps owns!

#337 gingerbreadmann

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:15 PM

Alright, now we know there's something magical going on here. Ridiculous.

#338 Greg29fan


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:15 PM

Cavic totally whiffed when he was reaching for the wall, Phelps took an extra stroke and made up the ground.

#339 axx


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:16 PM

Replay after replay, it still doesn't look like he won. Unreal.


Oh, it looked pretty clear to me that Phelps touched first. But yeah, the other guy could have done another stroke.

#340 PayrodsFirstClutchHit

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:17 PM

I really hate Andrea Kramer. Same stupid questions about emotions.


Same cliché BS every stinking interview.

If they are going to have someone ask moronic questions, they could at least choose a looker.

#341 RedOctober3829


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:17 PM

Between the relay and this.....there is something of a higher power with Phelps.

#342 gaelgirl


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:18 PM

wait, he won by .01 of a second after the Serb dude coasted? I would normally wait to see it live, but I will be in a television-less remote location (no cell service, no television) when NBfuckingC decides we're worthy enough to see it on the west coast.

I wonder if it's on youtube?

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:19 PM

there needs to be a picture of cavic's hands 2" from the wall and phelp's at his shoulders... captioned "guess who wins?"

#344 amh03


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:21 PM

Secondly, the "that's not Dara Torres" comment referred to her huge staff of people/trainers, which includes two stretchers, two massuses and an electric muscle stimulation guy. So, a picture of a swimmer with a swarm of people massaging and stretching them looks a bit like Torres' routine.

I went looking but couldn't find what this is referencing? Could you fill in what discussion this was part of?

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:21 PM

Wow, Crocker missed the bronze by 0.01

#346 gaelgirl


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:21 PM

Can someone put this on youtube so i can watch it in the two minutes it remains up?
:lol: :angry: :( :(

#347 sibpin

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:22 PM

Cavic pulled up short, but you're not really supposed to take an extra stroke from that position (think of where his arms would be if he had). Given the replays... I think Cavic may have made contact with the pad first, but remember that those aren't extremely sensitive and maybe Phelps' stronger touch hit the trigger before Cavic did.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:23 PM

I went looking but couldn't find what this is referencing? Could you fill in what discussion this was part of?

Yesterday between the IM and the butterfly semis, they showed Phelps being massaged and stretched by a team of people. The annoucer said, "No, that's not Dara Torres, it's Michael Phelps preparing for his next race on his quest for history..." or something.

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:23 PM

Oldest swimming WR falls in the woman's 800m

#350 amh03


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:25 PM

Yesterday between the IM and the butterfly semis, they showed Phelps being massaged and stretched by a team of people. The annoucer said, "No, that's not Dara Torres, it's Michael Phelps preparing for his next race on his quest for history..." or something.

Thanks.