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[UNCSoxFan5]

He looks so bad right now. I think a trip to a good steakhouse would solve some of his problems. Hes so thin.

[naday1]

'08 OBP (prior to tonight): .312 or .359.

Who should hit #2?

[CrouchingBear]

'08 OBP (prior to tonight): .312 or .359.

Who should hit #2?

Lugo's OBP isn't so much the problem. His slugging percentage is lower than Drew's batting average.

[Seels]

I'm not a Lugo fan, and I've been very very vocal about it.

That said, here's some nice splits:


obp slg ops

April

.305 .300 .605

May

.390 .328 .717

June

.392 .349 .741

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If he can continue to get on base at a .390 clip, then as long as he's not making his weekly game changing errors, he'll be okay. He really has walked a lot more lately.

[MoGator71]

If Lugo can actually keep his OBP north of .375 I couldn't care less about his SLG. I would rather he not do insanely stupid shit on the bases like trying to steal 3rd with 2 outs, but a >.375 OBP out of your SS and 9th hitter is just fine (and maybe he really should swap with Pedroia).

[TeddyBallgame9]

If Lugo can actually keep his OBP north of .375 I couldn't care less about his SLG. I would rather he not do insanely stupid shit on the bases like trying to steal 3rd with 2 outs, but a >.375 OBP out of your SS and 9th hitter is just fine (and maybe he really should swap with Pedroia).

Let me preface this by saying I do no hate Julio Lugo. But expecting an OBP north of .375 is way, way out of line with his career numbers. I'm glad he's having a good June , but in nine seasons his OBP is .335. If he finishes the year above .340, we should all praise him for a job well done.

[Rick V]

Tonight he made 2 of the shittiest throws to 1st I've seen by anyone in a long time. He is hopeless.

[MoGator71]

Tonight he made 2 of the shittiest throws to 1st I've seen by anyone in a long time. He is hopeless.

And he missed the bag, badly, on the 2nd one. I've heard of "neighborhood" but that wasn't even close.

[kenneycb]

Alright, I'm no Lugo apologist but some of this is getting ridiculous. He is an above-average 9th hitter that adds speed and is an average defensive shortstop. People are expecting the second coming of Ozzie Smith when he is not and has not been for a long time. I'd gladly have him over Alex Gonzalez from a couple of years back (given that A-Gon is cheaper but salary is not really a problem with the Sox so nobody should play that card).

Lugo is what he is. Accept it. He is fast, he hits for a decent average, gets on base for a decent average, and is an adequate, if not above-average, number 9 hitter. Yes Jed is raking in AAA but is anyone really confident he'd have the same range as Lugo? I'd guess that if Lowrie was the starter a month from now the obvious "Why does Jed have no range?" thread would start up.

So in summary, is Lugo overpaid? Yes. Are there better options? Yes. Can the Sox dump him? No, unless they pull an Edgar and eat the majority of the contract. The Sox are rich, and fuck it, I like that they can afford to overpay for mediocre SS that will do what's expected of them (at least at this point).

[NomoMrNiceGuy]

Alright, I'm no Lugo apologist but some of this is getting ridiculous. He is an above-average 9th hitter that adds speed and is an average defensive shortstop. People are expecting the second coming of Ozzie Smith when he is not and has not been for a long time. I'd gladly have him over Alex Gonzalez from a couple of years back (given that A-Gon is cheaper but salary is not really a problem with the Sox so nobody should play that card).

So in summary, is Lugo overpaid? Yes. Are there better options? Yes. Can the Sox dump him? No, unless they pull an Edgar and eat the majority of the contract. The Sox are rich, and fuck it, I like that they can afford to overpay for mediocre SS that will do what's expected of them (at least at this point).

Lugo's 32 with a plummeting line drive rate and OBP. he was an above average shortstop, but he's clearly in decline. not to mention his attitude doesn't seem to mesh with the team. I get the feeling that he's not friends with anyone on the team and he eats steaks alone.

Looking at his FP and RF since 2005, he was a below average fielder with above average range. It seems that his speed got him to more balls and made him a valuable defender. With faster, younger, more offensive shortstops entering the game, the time has passed where Lugo is an above average shortstop.

What's the real question here? Can we win a another championship with Lugo? Probably, but if Lugo continues with these game changing errors and little league plate appearances we could sit him and play lowrie. It's much easier to get behind a guy that has a future. Instead of moaning over a guy that probably doesn't even want to be here.

[njingles3]

2007 - .237 .294 .643
2008 - .278 .369 .718

He's been very tolerable this year, mostly because he's on pace for one of the most patient seasons of his career. His SLG is gone...just gone, he's hit the ball hard about 10 times this season, maybe. We can live with that from the 9 spot. He has been a liability on defense - it looks like he's thinking too much about the easy throws.

Everyone would love to see Jed being the next Bill Mueller in the 9 spot but it won't happen this season. For the record I would have no problem with the Sox eating his contract to get rid of him. Since his replacement costs nothing it really wouldn't be a big deal to do so - we're going to pay him either way so the money might as well be put to good use. Lugo might maintain the OBP this season but there's no reason to believe he can do it again next year. He's had two seasons above .360 not including 2008.

edit - IF NYYFans wasn't too busy fellating Captain Intangibles they would be having this very conversation about Derek ".712 OPS" Jeter. Point: Lugo.

Edited by njingles3, 22 June 2008 - 08:58 AM.

[CrouchingBear]

IF NYYFans wasn't too busy fellating Captain Intangibles they would be having this very conversation about Derek ".712 OPS" Jeter. Point: Lugo.

Did you seriously just compare Lugo to Jeter?

[SaladParmesan]

Did you seriously just compare Lugo to Jeter?

Without getting too serious about the comparison, they do have quite similar stats this year; Jeter has a 1 point edge in OPS+, identical averages. Jeter's extra RBI this year are probably at least partially a result of not batting 9th like Lugo.

The difference is, however, that Lugo's substandard numbers this year are about 150% better than last season, while Jeter's stats represent a sharp downturn from his normal career averages. As for which player is more concerning to their team... that's up for debate.

Edit: Stat fix.

Edited by SaladParmesan, 23 June 2008 - 01:02 AM.

[CrouchingBear]

Without getting too serious about the comparison, they do have quite similar stats this year; Jeter has a 1 point edge in OPS+, identical averages. Jeter's extra RBI this year are probably at least partially a result of not batting 9th like Lugo.

The difference is, however, that Lugo's substandard numbers this year are about 150% better than last season, while Jeter's stats represent a sharp downturn from his normal career averages. As for which player is more concerning to their team... that's up for debate.

Edit: Stat fix.

Jeter is the last of the Yankees' concerns. They're crapping their pants over their lack of pitching. We, on the other hand, have a wealth of pitching. Which is precisely why we can afford to crap our pants over more minor issues - such as why does our shortstop suck?

[pokey_reese]

Julio Lugo inf
4 years/$36M (2007-10), plus $9M 2011 vesting option

* signed as a free agent 12/06
* $1M signing bonus (paid 4/07 - 10/07)
* 07:$8M, 08:$9M, 09:$9M, 10:$9M, 11:$9M vesting option
* option vests with 2,400 plate appearances 2007-10 & 600 PAs 2010

http://mlbcontracts....on-red-sox.html

Note the last part about how the option for 2011 automatically vests if Lugo reaches certain benchmarks. Given that, in light of the first 1.5 years of the contract, the Sox are not likely to want Lugo back in 2011, it means that he will have to be traded, released, or on the DL by 2010.

Also, sharks eat bodies.

[zenter]

Note the last part about how the option for 2011 automatically vests if Lugo reaches certain benchmarks. Given that, in light of the first 1.5 years of the contract, the Sox are not likely to want Lugo back in 2011, it means that he will have to be traded, released, or on the DL by 2010.

Taking this fact into account, the problem isn't Lugo per se, but the fact that he blocking someone who is almost MLB-ready. If KottAras were right around the corner, and Tek had 2+1 years left, I don't doubt that we would be having this conversation. KottAras is not ready, and we're talking about how much and how long for Tek's inevitable extension.

With Lugo, we are (or at least, I am) thinking ahead - if not next year, then there will definitely be a logjam at SS in 2010. What do the Sox do? Platoon? (How would you platoon Lugo and Lowrie?) Would Lugo accept that? Since his option depends on plate appearances (a stat he has almost zero control over), Lugo will want to play every day. This is the crux of the problem.

As far as 2008 is concerned, I'm perfectly fine with him batting 9th. And I keep expecting him to turn the corner in the field... Unless he's the next Chuck Knoblauch, and just keeps getting worse every season.

Also, sharks eat bodies.

I'd prefer alligator. Anyone see the Battle at Kruger?

[joe dokes]

Lugo's got the highest OBP of all qualifying AL SS & the 4th highest OPS. (there are 10 AL qualifiers.)
The OBP is 4th of 19 in MLB; the OPS 11th.

At present, and for the last month or so (262/405/400), carping about how much he sucks at the plate is based on something other than reality.



The defense, obviously, is another story.

[pokey_reese]

Lugo's got the highest OBP of all qualifying AL SS & the 4th highest OPS. (there are 10 AL qualifiers.)
The OBP is 4th of 19 in MLB; the OPS 11th.

At present, and for the last month or so (262/405/400), carping about how much he sucks at the plate is based on something other than reality.

The defense, obviously, is another story.

I respectfully disagree, and assume that you are not watching Lugo's ABs. While useful stats in general, people tend to rely too heavily on OBP and OPS, especially since OPS is partially based on OBP. The only improvement in Lugo's numbers come from his increase in walks, and every other metric is worse this year. Last season, Lugo hit into 9 DPs all year, while already this year he has 10 GIDP. Last year he struck out an average of once every 6.9 ABs, now it is once every 5.2, and becoming more frequent. Perhaps most disturbing of all is the fact that when he doesn't walk or strike out, he is not hitting the ball in the air anymore. Last season Lugo hit 228 balls on the ground to 175 in the air, for a G/F ratio of 1.3, whereas this season it is 101 to 42, respectively, for a G/F ratio of 2.4, one of the worst in baseball.

I agree that his patience at the plate has improved somewhat, but when you throw in the fact that he is also stealing fewer bases and doing so with less efficiency as well, that patience is less valuable, and won't make up for the other bad numbers.

[John DiFool]

Not to mention his awful situational stats. He does well when leading off (.313/.353/.375), but with people in scoring position it's an abysmal (.169/.329/.186).

[joe dokes]

Not to mention his awful situational stats. He does well when leading off (.313/.353/.375), but with people in scoring position it's an abysmal (.169/.329/.186).

And last year, when he was truly abysmal with the bat he was 277 .320 .421 .741 w/RISP in twice as many PAs. And was lousy leading off. IMO, "hitting leadoff," & "hitting with RISP" is like "hitting on Tuesdays" its not a skill, its the description of a result.

The bottom line is that while he's a billion miles from a good hitter, the fact that he is making outs at a lower rate than any other AL SS means that he's not a liability with the bat--as compared to the competition. (liability being the title of the thread)


And BTW--I have probably seen 95% of Lugo's ABs (on TV) this year.

[pokey_reese]

And last year, when he was truly abysmal with the bat he was 277 .320 .421 .741 w/RISP in twice as many PAs. And was lousy leading off. IMO, "hitting leadoff," & "hitting with RISP" is like "hitting on Tuesdays" its not a skill, its the description of a result.

The bottom line is that while he's a billion miles from a good hitter, the fact that he is making outs at a lower rate than any other AL SS means that he's not a liability with the bat--as compared to the competition. (liability being the title of the thread)

And BTW--I have probably seen 95% of Lugo's ABs (on TV) this year.

First off, I completely agree with you in terms of how 'leading off' and 'BA w/ RISP' are both misleading stats, since presumably a player's ability doesn't change based on the lineup card. In the same sense though, compared to the competition by position is also not particularly relevant. What we probably agree on in this case is that the AL is weak at SS these days, since they collectively bat around .260. I think that Lugo still counts as a liability based on how often he GIDP, strikes out with a man on third and less than 2 outs, or fails to move runners over, etc. Moneyball is not just about OBP, and not making outs.

I was not trying to imply that you don't watch the Sox or anything like that, I was mostly thinking that if you are as big a fan as you clearly are, that you would be as frustrated as I was watching Lugo at the plate this year, and I couldn't understand how you were defending terrible numbers. Lugo, while first at SS in OBP, is second to last in HR, RBI; third to last in slugging, last in runs, etc..

[joe dokes]

First off, I completely agree with you in terms of how 'leading off' and 'BA w/ RISP' are both misleading stats, since presumably a player's ability doesn't change based on the lineup card. In the same sense though, compared to the competition by position is also not particularly relevant. What we probably agree on in this case is that the AL is weak at SS these days, since they collectively bat around .260. I think that Lugo still counts as a liability based on how often he GIDP, strikes out with a man on third and less than 2 outs, or fails to move runners over, etc. Moneyball is not just about OBP, and not making outs.

I was not trying to imply that you don't watch the Sox or anything like that, I was mostly thinking that if you are as big a fan as you clearly are, that you would be as frustrated as I was watching Lugo at the plate this year, and I couldn't understand how you were defending terrible numbers. Lugo, while first at SS in OBP, is second to last in HR, RBI; third to last in slugging, last in runs, etc..

I take nothing personally.

Honestly I was frustrated until about Memorial day, when he started walking more / seeing a few more pitches. He's at about an 800 OPS for the last month. My goal isn't so much as defending the mostly bad numbers, but that the one number that isn't terrible means that he's not presently a liability.

I'm not sure this is so much about Moneyball (not for me anyway). Not making an out is valuable. (whether his ability to do so is countered by the DPs is a fair question) And I generally agree about the position by position analysis, since a team is allowed to get offense from wherever it can. But it's, IMO, a fair quick-and-dirty context evaluation (of a type similar to winning the AL batting title by hitting 301.) Its not an optimal--or pleasant to watch--way to win, but "sucking less than everyone else" is still coming out ahead.

[RedSoxinATL]

Lugo is not going anywhere. Liability? Sure! Can we resolve the problem? Yeah, but only if the brass is willing to eat a $9+MM salary per annum.... and that ain't gonna happen.

Come post season if he's still struggling in the field, rest assured that he will NOT be playing. Lugo at the plate should be the least of everyone's worry.

The Sox will never be able to move his contract... so seriously, let's get over it and close this thread.

[joe dokes]

Lugo is not going anywhere. Liability? Sure! Can we resolve the problem? Yeah, but only if the brass is willing to eat a $9+MM salary per annum.... and that ain't gonna happen.

Come post season if he's still struggling in the field, rest assured that he will NOT be playing. Lugo at the plate should be the least of everyone's worry.

The Sox will never be able to move his contract... so seriously, let's get over it and close this thread.

They ate Renteria; they'll eat Lugo if they think its warranted. I have confidence that the brass understands sunk costs, and they'd rather pay a guy that they have to pay anyway to suck miserably in his living room than at SS in Fenway.

[My Dixie - Wrecked!]

The recurring problem with Lugo which I'm concerned with is his on-field flakiness (ADD/AHDH?).

The other night (at bat against Randy Johnson), on a 1-2 count, as Johnson began to go into his delivery, Lugo asked for time, and immediately backed out. The only problem was that the umpire initially did NOT grant his request.

Johnson seemed poised to quickly burn one in for strike three, but thankfully, his Catcher backed off a little, causing the ump to grant time belatedly.

Then, during last night's game, after Varitek had walked with one out, Lugo works a 2-0 count, but instead of keeping the pressure on a pitcher who was having control probems by taking another pitch, he jumps on (at best) a borderline pitch and GIDPs. Aaaaarrrgh!!!

Like I've said before, this is one guy who should be "on signs" for every pitch FOREVER.

Edited by My Dixie - Wrecked!, 28 June 2008 - 04:16 AM.

[sleepyjose03]

I say we hide the body in the trunk of Jed Lowrie's car.....

[John DiFool]

One more thing, echoing the thread in the main board: Lugo is dead last in the majors (among qualifiers) in RZR, 30 points behind the 2nd-to-last guy.

And yes I am well aware of the value of a good OBP, but Lugo must have the least effective OBP in the majors, as the times he gets on base don't seem to lead to many runs at all. He's gotten on base (at least) 98 times, but scored only 23 runs. Yes the clutch thing argued above may be SSS luck (or whatever), but what happens when he regresses back to his career .334 OBP? .359 probably represents a healthy dollop of luck too.

But the Sox brass seem resigned to playing him over and above any alternatives, so all this is probably wasted breath.

[Rick V]

I just don't understand why Lowrie is not getting his shot at SS. I keep hearing things regarding his lack of range but I cannot believe that Lowrie could be worse defensively than Lugo. How could he be? And he is a better hitter for sure. His swing is so superior to Lugo's it isn't even funny. This team seriously needs hitters right now. Lowrie would be an upgrade in that department. As for Lugo's speed - when is the last time Lugo's speed had a positive impact for us? The guy has scored very few runs this year.

Bring Lowrie up please.

[sleepyjose03]

I say we hide the body in the trunk of Jed Lowrie's car.....

Changed my mind. Hide the body in the trunk of Jeter's car. Lowrie takes over short and Jeter goes to jail. Win Win!

Edited by sleepyjose03, 01 July 2008 - 12:28 PM.

[Oliver]

I just don't understand why Lowrie is not getting his shot at SS. I keep hearing things regarding his lack of range but I cannot believe that Lowrie could be worse defensively than Lugo. How could he be? And he is a better hitter for sure. His swing is so superior to Lugo's it isn't even funny. This team seriously needs hitters right now. Lowrie would be an upgrade in that department. As for Lugo's speed - when is the last time Lugo's speed had a positive impact for us? The guy has scored very few runs this year.

Bring Lowrie up please.

As we all know, the Red sox are VERY careful and calculating when they bring up younger players-maybe sometimes to a fault(especially with pitchers). I guess they figure they have a system in place that is proven and are not usually ready to digress from that.

But I agree, Lugo does not really bring anything to the table anymore (did he ever?). Lowrie will be a September call-up and I could see being fazed into the line-up next year as Lugo will probably continue to struggle and by the end of the year be our starting shortstop?

[thetruth]

lugos going nowhere with that contract

[Blacken]

As we all know, the Red sox are VERY careful and calculating when they bring up younger players-maybe sometimes to a fault(especially with pitchers). I guess they figure they have a system in place that is proven and are not usually ready to digress from that.

I can't argue with their thinking. I mean, hell, look at the two players with the club right now that they brought up too early? You know, the rad dudes who gave up three apiece last night? After that spectacular waste of potential I'd be careful, too.

[Rick V]

Can we all agree that Cora needs to be cut? The guy brings nothing to the table at this point. He has no range, cannot hit, weak arm, less than average speed - why on earth is he on the team at this point?

Cut Cora and bring Lowrie up. Please.

[Lukiewerle]

Can we all agree that Cora needs to be cut? The guy brings nothing to the table at this point. He has no range, cannot hit, weak arm, less than average speed - why on earth is he on the team at this point?

Cut Cora and bring Lowrie up. Please.

Whoa, slow down. Don't you know Cora does all the little things? I mean, you can't quantify how important this guy is in the clubhouse.

/sarcasm.

[John DiFool]

I think Lowrie can probably have a solid career in the supersub style (Hubie Brooks, Tony Phillips et al.); a guy who can play 3+ positions adequately can be very valuable. At 24 his expected future growth isn't probably going to be significant, so they won't really be hurting him by playing him only 3 times a week in the majors.

[DaftPunkFan37]

I think we should cut Cora too, since probably when we do Lugo will unfortunatly be placed in the 60 Day DL. While on the DL Lowrie becomes the buzz of talk show hosts everywhere, and hits the winning run in the 2008 World Ser..., oh my bad, that was my dream last night

[Rick V]

Love what Chad Finn says re Cora:

"Alex Cora: He has no power or speed to speak of, has the range of Derek Jeter carrying Tim McCarver piggyback, and those heady plays Remy is always raving about curiously never seem to show up on replay. Memo to Theo: Call up Jed Lowrie, a superior player in every way at this point, and send Cora far away to Single A Lancaster, where he can impart his wisdom without tempting Francona to do something crazy, like actually putting him in a major league ballgame."

[mwonow]

Love what Chad Finn says re Cora:

"Alex Cora: He has no power or speed to speak of, has the range of Derek Jeter carrying Tim McCarver piggyback, and those heady plays Remy is always raving about curiously never seem to show up on replay. Memo to Theo: Call up Jed Lowrie, a superior player in every way at this point, and send Cora far away to Single A Lancaster, where he can impart his wisdom without tempting Francona to do something crazy, like actually putting him in a major league ballgame."

That's really funny - thanks!

FWIW - the guys on the bench who are there because they're supposed to be smart aren't generally players. Cora for coach! Lowrie for SS! And Lugo for - Tampa Bay, maybe? They've been living on good defense for long enough...

[DaftPunkFan37]

That's really funny - thanks!

FWIW - the guys on the bench who are there because they're supposed to be smart aren't generally players. Cora for coach! Lowrie for SS! And Lugo for - Tampa Bay, maybe? They've been living on good defense for long enough...

Isn't that the first team he was on?

[GregHarris]

I recently saw a post an another board about SS play in the AL East (which has been dreadful). Not including last night, Eckstein led all SS followed closely by Jeter and Lugo.

[pokey_reese]

I recently saw a post an another board about SS play in the AL East (which has been dreadful). Not including last night, Eckstein led all SS followed closely by Jeter and Lugo.

"SS play" is a little vague, no? By what yardstick would those guys be the best, Lugo being the most suspect of all. Since he leads the league in errors at his position it can't include defense, and he is last or second-to-last in RBIs, runs, and SLG, so this could only be an OBP argument. Given that he also strikes out a lot and is GIDP more than ever in his career (earlier in this thread I provided some numbers regarding his alarming ground-ball/fly-ball ratio and how it is increasing almost exponentially), and the less tangible but still real statistics such as BA w/ runners in scoring position, etc., I would still say that Lugo is about the worst SS in the AL, or at least bottom-3.

[lexrageorge]

I think Lowrie can probably have a solid career in the supersub style (Hubie Brooks, Tony Phillips et al.); a guy who can play 3+ positions adequately can be very valuable. At 24 his expected future growth isn't probably going to be significant, so they won't really be hurting him by playing him only 3 times a week in the majors.

Wade Boggs was 26 when he got his first callup to the majors, and his defense continued to improve for a few years after. David Oritz was 28 before he became the hitting force he has become today. There is nothing set in stone that says there is no future growth after 24. It may very well be that he becomes a solid utility infielder, but it's way to early to declare that as the total of his upside right now.

[John DiFool]

Wade Boggs was 26 when he got his first callup to the majors, and his defense continued to improve for a few years after. David Oritz was 28 before he became the hitting force he has become today. There is nothing set in stone that says there is no future growth after 24. It may very well be that he becomes a solid utility infielder, but it's way to early to declare that as the total of his upside right now.

Verging on straw man territory here (i.e. you didn't understand what I wrote). Fact is that for every 24 year old who develops madly from his base, there's like 5 who don't. My point was not that he won't improve from here, but that at his age the Sox immediate needs trump whatever developmental needs Jed has. He can have a fine career, at least, as a super utility guy (i.e. not one who gets 200 ABs a year, but someone who is a full time player at 2-3 positions, like Hubie and Phillips and several others). And Boggs was 24 when he was called up (and a great hitter right from the beginning BTW, tho he did work hard on his D).

Edited by John DiFool, 09 July 2008 - 10:21 AM.

[teejay1324]

Verging on straw man territory here (i.e. you didn't understand what I wrote). Fact is that for every 24 year old who develops madly from his base, there's like 5 who don't. My point was not that he won't improve from here, but that at his age the Sox immediate needs trump whatever developmental needs Jed has. He can have a fine career, at least, as a super utility guy (i.e. not one who gets 200 ABs a year, but someone who is a full time player at 2-3 positions, like Hubie and Phillips and several others). And Boggs was 24 when he was called up (and a great hitter right from the beginning BTW, tho he did work hard on his D).

They could cut Cora and platoon Lowrie with Lugo. Lowrie is hitting .278 vs RHP and .266 vs LHP at Triple-A, where as Lugo is hitting .256 vs RHP and .294 vs LHP. Now who knows what Lowrie does with Boston (he only has 42 MLB at bats, too small a sample size) but I can't see it being worse than Lugo. So Lowrie plays against RHP and lets Lowell take an extra day off here and there down the stretch to keep him fresh. That would probably get Lowrie 12-20 at bats a week, and Lugo 6-8. I'd take my chances with that because worst case scenario is Lowrie goes into the tank and we'd be right back where we are now. Lugo can't stop them from advancing in October but I don't he will help that much either.

Edited by teejay1324, 09 July 2008 - 08:49 PM.

[DaftPunkFan37]

Anyway we can ship him to the Dodgers with their main SS out for a month or two and they have injury-prone Nomar playing the posistion (which he hasn't done in 2 years)

I resent the idea of making him the 5th IF (Correct Terminology?)/Bench IF, because paying 9 million for that kind of job is insane. Do you think if we included him with Bowden/Masterson, he might be able to go to another team?

[teejay1324]

Anyway we can ship him to the Dodgers with their main SS out for a month or two and they have injury-prone Nomar playing the posistion (which he hasn't done in 2 years)

I resent the idea of making him the 5th IF (Correct Terminology?)/Bench IF, because paying 9 million for that kind of job is insane. Do you think if we included him with Bowden/Masterson, he might be able to go to another team?

Their paying him 9 million to bat ninth, lead his position in errors, kill rallies, ground into double plays, strikeout routinely and generally suck at the game of baseball, their paying him one way or another might as well limit the damage right?

They shouldn't include anyone if they deal Lugo, just send him and a check for 10 mill and take back whatever they offer and say thank you.

Edited by teejay1324, 09 July 2008 - 09:19 PM.

[DaftPunkFan37]

Their paying him 9 million to bat ninth, lead his position in errors, kill rallies, ground into double plays, strikeout routinely and generally suck at the game of baseball, their paying him one way or another might as well limit the damage right?

They shouldn't include anyone if they deal Lugo, just send him and a check for 10 mill and take back whatever they offer and say thank you.

Good point. I really think we should DFA Lugo to at least give Lowrie a chance to prove himself and probably would be an upgrade over Cora anyway (Shift Velaquez to SS, Make Chad Spann Bench IF)

Meh, I think making Lugo apart of a deal with Masterson/Bowden would increase his chances of getting the hell outta here and

[sleepyjose03]

Anyway we can ship him to the Dodgers with their main SS out for a month or two and they have injury-prone Nomar playing the posistion (which he hasn't done in 2 years)

I resent the idea of making him the 5th IF (Correct Terminology?)/Bench IF, because paying 9 million for that kind of job is insane. Do you think if we included him with Bowden/Masterson, he might be able to go to another team?

The Dodgers are an intriguing destination for Lugo. We'd def have to subsidize part of his contract, but if the FO feels that Lowrie is capable of stepping in full time then it makes sense to send him away rather than pay him to rot on the bench and take away PAs from Lowrie. I seem to remember the Dodgers OF being crowded. Think they would be willing to part with a AA/AAA OF prospect who would probably be blocked anyways? Anyone know their system well? I will try to look into it more.

[Seels]

The Dodgers have about as much chance of taking Lugo back as we do of Renteria.

[Stuart Scott's Lazy Eye]

They're not going to DFA Lugo, and they aren't going to be able to trade him. If anything, they'll DFA Cora and bring up Lowrie and platoon him with Lugo. They survived last year with his suck so I'll be surprised if they do anything at this point and time. When Ortiz gets back in the lineup, Lugo's suck will just hopefully become less relevant.