Continued from the CF thread:
EDIT: (sorry to participate in a thread hijack, Soxfan's post just got me thinking...)
QUOTE(soxfan121 @ Jan 16 2006, 11:47 AM)
"We" are fans of the Red Sox. "We" can be upset, elated or unaffected by rumors regarding the Red Sox.
"They" are the Red Sox; the players, the Front Office.
Saying "we are giving up way too much" is inaccurate. Unless you mean that we, the fans, value Bronson's guitar playing skills and haven't properly adjusted his baseball value to compensate. Saying "the Red Sox are giving up way too much" is not only more specific but it also makes clear WHO and WHAT is being discussed.
"We", the fans, don't give up anything; the team does. Proper usage of terminology makes EVERYONE understand YOU better. IMO, it's lazy and silly to use "we" in a post about the Red Sox; unless you're Eric Van or otherwise employed by the Red Sox, you're not part of the "we" regardless of your "RSN membership card".
I think you've got it backwards. We are the Red Sox. They, the owners, are businessmen with an investment in a particular business; they, the owners, would have just as happily invested in the St. Louis Cardinals or the Detroit Red Wings or the Mitsubishi Corporation. They, the players, are employees who were drafted or traded into service for the Red Sox organization, or agreed as free agents to play for the Red Sox because we offered the best money, best location, best job benefits, or whatever. They are just mercenaries, and nothing else. If the history of the Boston Red Sox: the sale of Babe Ruth, the 86 years of curse, the history of players like Ted Williams and Carl Yaztriemski and Bill Lee and Luis Tiante and Nomar Garciaparra, the 2004 redemption; if all of that history means anything, it only means something to us. It certainly means squat to Mark Loretta and Manny Ramirez, and if it means anything to John Henry, it is only in his secondary role as a fan of the game; in his position as an owner, all he cares about is the tickets being purchased, the players on the current roster, and the bottom line of the corporation.
Now, maybe the history and legend of the Red Sox doesn't mean anything and we're all just deluded. But that's what being a sports fan means. And if we're going to play pretend, we might as well admit it; we may be nothing more than a consumer of the Red Sox product line, but part of that product is living with the illusion that "we" are somehow intimately connected to the Red Sox. Given your logic, why were you upset when Aaron Boone homered in Game 7 in 2003? Nothing had happened to 'you', just to 'them'.
It is absurd, but it's pretty absurd that we're all posting to a message board about the employment decisions of a corporation we don't have anything to do with. As Dave Barry said,
"Suppose you have a friend who, for no apparent reason, suddenly becomes obsessed with the Amtrak Corp.
He babbles about Amtrak constantly, citing obscure railroad statistics from 1978. He puts Amtrak bumper stickers on his car. When something bad happens to Amtrak--a train crashes, for instance, and investigators find that the engineer was drinking and wearing a bunny suit--your friend bcomes depressed for weeks.
You'd think he was crazy, right? "Bob," you'd say as a loving and caring friend, "you're a moron. The Amtrak Corp. has -nothing to do with you-."
But if Bob is behaving exactly the same deranged way about the Pittsburgh Penguins, it's considered normal guy behavior. He could name his child "Pittsburgh Penguin Johnson" and be considered only mildly eccentric."
As someone who understands exactly what Soxfan was saying, I respectfully think you miss the point.
No one is divorcing themselves from the team emotionally when they chose not to refer to them in the first person.
Okay 'we' are the Red Sox. We are the beating heart of a storied old baseball warhorse.
And Tom Yawkey didn't sign Willie Mays.
The point is - there is some stuff that we as fans, can never be responsible for. Therefore, saying something like "WE should go out and sign X next season but WE shouldn't spend more than 13m, because WE'LL need the money for Z."
Well, that's silly and presumtuous.
It presumes that you are part making the dicisions. It also presumes that you know how much the Red Sox can or cannot spend. It also presumes that you know what the strategy of the team is.
Look, I'm more rah-rah than the next guy - I bleed red and white and blue, but I can't help the team make trades, and I can't write their checks. My blood pressure couldn't handle it.
Give yourself a break. And keep rooting for shirts and pants.
Edited by Max Venerable, 16 January 2006 - 05:33 PM.