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[normstalls]

for those w/o visual, what happened?


did drew try and take third on Byrnes grounder?

[Ananti]

I just can't see a team with Eric Byrnes hitting 3rd and Tony Clark hitting clean up get anywhere near the WS.

But it would be nice if they could as least make Colorado work a little.

[DavidWellsAteNelson]

for those w/o visual, what happened?
did drew try and take third on Byrnes grounder?

He went into 2nd hard, trying to break up the double play, but the throw pulled the SS off the bag. Drew was safe, but assumed he was out, and started trotting back to the dugout. By the time he realized his mistake it was too late.

Edited by DavidWellsAteNelson, 13 October 2007 - 12:54 AM.

[mabrowndog]

There was a grounder to second. Tulowitzki came off the base as he took the toss from Matsui and Drew was safe. Drew thought he was out and started jogging off the field, but Tulo threw to Atkins who tagged him out.

[Groovenstein]

for those w/o visual, what happened?
did drew try and take third on Byrnes grounder?

Drew didn't see the safe call by the ump and thus started jogging toward the dugout like he was out.

[Edit: Yeah, what they said.]

Edited by Groovenstein, 13 October 2007 - 12:54 AM.

[Innocent Bystander]

for those w/o visual, what happened?
did drew try and take third on Byrnes grounder?

High throw pulled Tulowitski off the bag and the ump waved Drew "safe". Drew assumed he was out got up and trotted towards the dugout and got tagged out.

[mr guido]

Grrreat. Just what I need. Extra innings after 7 hours of baseball.

Tony Clark comes up huge, as always. Woulda been a DP even if Drew were still on second.

[normstalls]

Thanks man.

no question...if AZ advances to WS they would challenge last year's Cardinals as the weakest pennant winning team this decade. That team is just not that good.

[Ananti]

It didn't matter since Tony Clark hit a DP ball.

[Groovenstein]

For a Sox fan in Nebraska who is hoping it's Rockies/Sox in the Series so he can maybe go, that inning sucked.

[Rasputin]

I was talking to this guy at work and we were wondering...if you made an all star team of whoever you pick from the DBacks and Rockies, would they be better than either the Sox or Indians?

I say no.

If you take an all star team from the Sox and Indians would it be as good as or better than any NL All Star team you could come up with?

[mabrowndog]

It didn't matter since Tony Clark hit a DP ball.

You're making an assumption, since Matsui only had to throw to first to end the inning -- the Rockies weren't forced to turn a DP.

A lot more can go wrong on a play that requires 2 throws and 2 catches than 1 throw and 1 catch -- even on a seemingly routine play.

[Ananti]

Thanks man.

no question...if AZ advances to WS they would challenge last year's Cardinals as the weakest pennant winning team this decade. That team is just not that good.

I think they'd walk away with it, they had a negative run differential (AZ was -20), St Louis was +19 last year.

The last team to have a negative run differential to make the WS was the 87 Twins, they somehow managed to win the WS

[Jnai]

Well this game got interesting.

[CaptainLaddie]

You know... neither of these NL teams scares me, but they're both good. I think in a short series, either one could very well beat the Red Sox or Tribe.... but man.... I don't expect it.

[zzzgilliszzz]

Hahaha Valverde is just a little over the top

[Jnai]

Hahaha Valverde is just a little over the top

No more so than Paps =)

[mr guido]

You're making an assumption, since Matsui only had to throw to first to end the inning -- the Rockies weren't forced to turn a DP.

A lot more can go wrong on a play that requires 2 throws and 2 catches than 1 throw and 1 catch -- even on a seemingly routine play.

You're not watching, since the throw went to 2nd, and then on to 1st since they weren't sure they got the out at second (they did).

Fist pump time!

[zzzgilliszzz]

No more so than Paps =)

True but most of the time thats when the game is OVER

[Groovenstein]

Let's see. Here's my shot at an NL All Star team. Top it with Sox/Indians. Not that you can't do it. It's just an invitation, a friendly challenge.

1B - Pujols
2B - Utley
3B - Cabrera
SS - Hanley
OF - Holliday, Dunn, Beltran
C - Martin
P - Peavy, Webb, Smoltz

I'm into this game and I don't feel like rattling off a dozen pitchers, but you should have fun with what I've tossed out.

[Jnai]

At the rate these teams don't score runs, this game might go on for three or four months.

but then, I don't know too much about these teams. =)

[Innocent Bystander]

I don't care who wins this series, I just hope it goes seven.

If the D'Backs go to Colorado down 2-0 it's over.

[mr guido]

At the rate these teams don't score runs, this game might go on for three or four months.

but then, I don't know too much about these teams. =)

Right, the Rockies did score 7 whole runs less than the Red Sox this year.

[Jnai]

Right, the Rockies did score 7 whole runs less than the Red Sox this year.

Okay, okay.

I've just been watching this game, and only off and on. =)

[CaptainLaddie]

Let's see. Here's my shot at an NL All Star team. Top it with Sox/Indians. Not that you can't do it. It's just an invitation, a friendly challenge.

1B - Pujols
2B - Utley
3B - Cabrera
SS - Hanley
OF - Holliday, Dunn, Beltran
C - Martin
P - Peavy, Webb, Smoltz

I'm into this game and I don't feel like rattling off a dozen pitchers, but you should have fun with what I've tossed out.

Are you kidding?
Okay.

1B - Ortiz
2B - Pedroia
3B - Lowell
SS - Peralta
OF - Manny, Sizemore, Drew
C - Victor
P - Beckett, Sabathia, Carmona

The NL team is better.

[normstalls]

Colorado is a good team. With their new and improved starting and relief pitching, they are legit.
They shouldnt be taken too lightly

[Ananti]

Let's see. Here's my shot at an NL All Star team. Top it with Sox/Indians. Not that you can't do it. It's just an invitation, a friendly challenge.

1B - Pujols
2B - Utley
3B - Cabrera
SS - Hanley
OF - Holliday, Dunn, Beltran
C - Martin
P - Peavy, Webb, Smoltz

I'm into this game and I don't feel like rattling off a dozen pitchers, but you should have fun with what I've tossed out.

1B Ortiz (about a wash)
2B Pedroia (not as good as Utley)
3B Lowell (not as good as Cabrera)
SS Peralta (Not as good as H-Ram)
OF Manny Sizemore Drew (not as good as the NL trio0
C Martinez (better than Martin)

I will take trio of Beckett Sabathia and Carmona over Peavy Webb and Smoltz, and I'll take Papelbon over any closer in the NL.

[Jnai]

Right, the Rockies did score 7 whole runs less than the Red Sox this year.

And, well, the D-Backs did score like 150 less.

[Innocent Bystander]

Is the Rockies pitching that good or is the D'Backs hitting that bad?

I lean towards the latter.

[CaptainLaddie]

It's fucking crazy how young the offensive players on the D'Backs are.

[mabrowndog]

I was talking to this guy at work and we were wondering...if you made an all star team of whoever you pick from the DBacks and Rockies, would they be better than either the Sox or Indians?

The only D-Backs position player who could conceivably displace a Rockies starter is Orlando Hudson at 2B, and he's done for the year. So you're really talking about adding Webb, Valverde, Cruz and Pena to the pitching staff, and throwing Byrnes, Ojeda, Young, Reynolds, Snyder and Conor Jackson on the bench. The roster might look like:

C - Torrealba, Snyder
1B - Helton, Jackson
2B - Matsui, Ojeda
3B - Atkins, Reynolds
SS - Tulowitzki
OF - Holliday, Hawpe, Tavares, Byrnes, Spilborghs
SP - Webb, Francis, Cook, Jimenez, Fogg
RP - Herges, Pena, Cruz, Fuentes*, Corpas
CL - Valverde

That's it, with Fuentes the lone southpaw on the staff. So yeah, Ras, I'd have to agree with you. In a 7-game series, this would be a very beatable team for either the Indians or the Sox.

Edited by mabrowndog, 13 October 2007 - 01:20 AM.

[Jnai]

Is the Rockies pitching that good or is the D'Backs hitting that bad?

I lean towards the latter.

Now that I am armed the power of statistics - Arizona has one of the worst offenses in all of MLB this year. Well, I mean, it depends how you measure it, I guess. But in terms of runs scored, they're 26th, have the 29th team BA, and 24th team OPS.

[Innocent Bystander]

It's fucking crazy how young the offensive players on the D'Backs are.

They'd make one hell of a AAA team....oops! my bad! they're a NL team, they already are!

Edited by Innocent Bystander, 13 October 2007 - 01:22 AM.

[Ananti]

Is the Rockies pitching that good or is the D'Backs hitting that bad?

I lean towards the latter.

AZ's lead off hitter has an OBP of .295, their #2 hitter has an OBP of .313

And can somebody explain why a guy with a .295 OBP and leds the team with 32 HRs is hitting lead off, because that's about as inefficient way of contructing a lineup as I've ever seen.

[Rasputin]

Let's see. Here's my shot at an NL All Star team. Top it with Sox/Indians. Not that you can't do it. It's just an invitation, a friendly challenge.

1B - Pujols
2B - Utley
3B - Cabrera
SS - Hanley
OF - Holliday, Dunn, Beltran
C - Martin
P - Peavy, Webb, Smoltz

I'm into this game and I don't feel like rattling off a dozen pitchers, but you should have fun with what I've tossed out.

Just remember, they're going to be facing a rotation including Beckett, Schilling, Carmona, and Sabathia with Papelbon closing set up by Perez, Betancourt, Lewis, and Okajima.

1B: Garko
2B: Pedroia
3B: Lowell
SS: Peralta
OF: Manny, Sizemore, Drew
C: Martinez
DH: Papi

Okay, I got too many 1b/DHs and no real right fielder. Still, have fun trying to score

[Innocent Bystander]

The D'backs are pathetic on fundamentals, first the Drew blunder, then they almost leave 3B open to advance to on the popup.

This is a team one step away from being in the WS?

Edited by Innocent Bystander, 13 October 2007 - 01:28 AM.

[mabrowndog]

And can somebody explain why a guy with a .295 OBP and leds the team with 32 HRs is hitting lead off, because that's about as inefficient way of contructing a lineup as I've ever seen.

Two very good and indisputable reasons:

A) He had 27 SB's, so there's the whole "speed at the top" myth that fucking idiots subscribe to.
B) Bob Melvin is a fucking idiot

[Groovenstein]

Just remember, they're going to be facing a rotation including Beckett, Schilling, Carmona, and Sabathia with Papelbon closing set up by Perez, Betancourt, Lewis, and Okajima.

1B: Garko
2B: Pedroia
3B: Lowell
SS: Peralta
OF: Manny, Sizemore, Drew
C: Martinez
DH: Papi

Okay, I got too many 1b/DHs and no real right fielder. Still, have fun trying to score

Yeah, I should have put up more pitchers because when you include the correct amount it becomes much closer.

[Edit: Oh yeah, if I get a DH I'll toss Prince Fielder on there.]

Edited by Groovenstein, 13 October 2007 - 01:29 AM.

[mr guido]

Not to be outdone, Hurdle put Willy Taveras' career 78 OPS+ at the top of his lineup. Let's see how that experiment works out here.

If Doug Davis can pitch a gem than maybe Taveras can get a hit?



edit: Wow.

Edited by mr guido, 13 October 2007 - 01:32 AM.

[Innocent Bystander]

Yeah, I should have put up more pitchers because when you include the correct amount it becomes much closer.

[Edit: Oh yeah, if I get a DH I'll toss Prince Fielder on there.]

You might want to consider Brandon Phillips at 2B and Soriano instead of Dunn.

[Jnai]

Wow.

Edit: He's been looking at his hand a lot, is he hurt?

Edited by Jnai, 13 October 2007 - 01:32 AM.

[Groovenstein]

Valverde pulls a Sabathia. Woohoo!!!!

[mr guido]

Fist pump?

[jtn46]

Valverde pulls a Sabathia. Woohoo!!!!

It's not his fault he ran out of gas and his manager decided to ignore that...

[mabrowndog]

Just remember, they're going to be facing a rotation including Beckett, Schilling, Carmona, and Sabathia with Papelbon closing set up by Perez, Betancourt, Lewis, and Okajima.

1B: Garko
2B: Pedroia
3B: Lowell
SS: Peralta
OF: Manny, Sizemore, Drew
C: Martinez
DH: Papi

Okay, I got too many 1b/DHs and no real right fielder. Still, have fun trying to score

I'll take Youks over Garko -- he's a greater on-base threat and his defense is stellar.

Add Lofton, Garko, Hafner, and Cabrera to the bench with Ellsbury and Tek. Toss Daisuke into the bullpen.

Holy shit, that's an imposing 10-man pitching staff, with Drew the only "hole" in the lineup.

Edited by mabrowndog, 13 October 2007 - 01:39 AM.

[Groovenstein]

You might want to consider Brandon Phillips at 2B and Soriano instead of Dunn.

Utley's put up >.900 OPS for the last three years. Phillips' last two have been .816 and .751. So I'll keep Utley.

As for Dunn vs. Soriano, you might be right. They're pretty similar overall offensively, but Soriano has a less dramatic split.

[MartyBarrettMVP]

What a crappy AB...up 3-0 and ending up with the a weak fly to left.

Micah Owings to PH? Umm....

[Innocent Bystander]

Utley's put up >.900 OPS for the last three years. Phillips' last two have been .816 and .751. So I'll keep Utley.

As for Dunn vs. Soriano, you might be right. They're pretty similar overall offensively, but Soriano has a less dramatic split.

Phillips also was a 30/30 guy with about a .290 BA. Put some speed in that lineup.

[Groovenstein]

It's not his fault he ran out of gas and his manager decided to ignore that...

No it isn't, and I sympathize for the D-Backs fans. But Rockies/Sox means I might be able to go to the WS. Gotta have priorities, ya know.

[Obscure Name]

That was not a swing.