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#601 Lukiewerle

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:12 PM

Somewhere in the world Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco are celebrating with a bottle of Champagne.

#602 Drocca


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:12 PM

I have to say, quick glance sample size noted, that Mitchell may have done an excellent job with this report. The detailing of how they came to their conclusions is very solid.

#603 InsideTheParker


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:12 PM

Just heard from a friend that Hafner is on it? Is this true?

not there

#604 FourteenRayCulps

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:12 PM

To everyone (including Bora$) who said "it's probably all heresay", I think the copies of all the cancelled checks and shipping labels, etc. pretty much stop that discussion.

#605 jodyreeddudley78

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:12 PM

I have been hesitant to post on this, but the inclusion of at least two media members has given me pause. Vina(ESPN) and Justice(YES) presence on this list makes one want to google for hypocricy.....

#606 TheYellowDart5


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:14 PM

Mitchell just said that there was evidence that some players were informed ahead of time of future drug tests.

#607 JimD

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:15 PM

p219


Theo should've listened.

#608 OilCanShotTupac


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:17 PM

Mitchell just said that there was evidence that some players were informed ahead of time of future drug tests.


No link, but I've heard about this before. Evidently front office employees got notice when MLB testers contacted teams asking for security passes, parking passes, etc. for the days that they were to test players, and the employees raised the flag.

#609 Jibaholic

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:18 PM

Theo should've listened.


Well, that makes it a good thing that Gagne cost the Sox about 4 regular season wins and 1 playoff win.

#610 aced

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:18 PM

This was worth the wait. He did an incredibly thorough job of fact finding and avoided mud slinging. Excellent report (only gotten through the first 150 pages so far)

#611 PseuFighter


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:18 PM

In an article in 2006, a similar story was recounted by Paxton Crawford, a pitcher
who was on the roster of the Boston Red Sox in 2000 and 2001. Crawford admitted to using
steroids and human growth hormone while with the Red Sox. He described an incident in which
syringes he had wrapped in a towel were spilled onto the floor of the Red Sox clubhouse, which
he said caused laughter among his teammates.



#612 SoxScout


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:19 PM

Mitchell recommends to Selig to forgo discipline on players for past actions....

#613 Mooch

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:19 PM

Man, the evidence on Clemens is pretty damning. Close to "Game of Shadows" type stuff.

#614 Kitchkinet

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:19 PM

Theo should've listened.

Good thing Gagne declined arbitration, at least. I wonder how the Brewers feel about that $10M guaranteed contract now.

Edited by Kitchkinet, 13 December 2007 - 02:20 PM.


#615 Deathofthebambino


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:19 PM

"I urge the Commissioner to not discipline the players for past violations, except for where he believes the conduct is so serious that the conduct is so serious as to affect the integrity of the game."

Interesting.

#616 PseuFighter


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:19 PM

gagne / theo:

When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official
made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to
a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne?
I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his
medical?”425 The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded,

Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a
checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.
Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body
and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max
effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and
without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back
durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup
to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will
follow Gagne . . .426


Edited by PseuFighter, 13 December 2007 - 02:20 PM.


#617 drleather2001


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:20 PM

Kevin Brown is on there.

In fact, they knew he was juicing when they traded him to the Yanks (page 264):

In the notes of the October 2003 meetings among Dodgers officials, it was
reportedly said of Brown:
Kevin Brown – getting to the age of nagging injuries . . . Question
what kind of medication he takes . . . Effectiveness goes down
covering 1st base or running bases. Common in soccer players and
are more susceptible if you take meds to increase your muscles –
doesn’t increase the attachments. Is he open to adjusting how he
takes care of himself? He knows he now needs to do stuff before
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coming to spring training to be ready. Steroids speculated by
GM.422
Less than two months later, the Dodgers traded Brown to the Yankees.



#618 dynomite

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:20 PM

Ron Villone is on there as well.

Apparently the Yankees removed one steroids user for another this postseason.

#619 god loves the sox

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:20 PM

Mitchell has done his homework. Very impressive.

#620 JohntheBaptist


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:20 PM

Quick question- how would Mitchell have obtained internal Red Sox emails?

#621 Kitchkinet

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:22 PM

Quick question- how would Mitchell have obtained internal Red Sox emails?

Someone volunteered it to him?

The fact that he's exposing it is enough to show he's not covering anything up as far as the Sox are concerned.

#622 Freddy Linn


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:22 PM

My wife's friend's brother is on the list...my 4 year-old son's best friend's uncle.

#623 Jeff Van GULLY

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:24 PM

He requested filed pertaining to gagne during his investigations and the Sox handed them over.

#624 twototango

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:24 PM

This report is inconclusive, incomplete and for the most part based on innuendo and circumstancial evidence. While there are some exceptions (Clemens, the scanned checks), this report leaves a lot to be desired and certainly calls into a question a conflict of interest (the most recent prominent Red Sox user was Mo Vaughn). I don't expect the questions about Mitchell's background to go away - instead, I expect them to intensify.

Edited by twototango, 13 December 2007 - 02:25 PM.


#625 Deathofthebambino


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:24 PM

My wife's friend's brother is on the list...my 4 year-old son's best friend's uncle.


And that would be?

#626 cshrk

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:24 PM

"Radomski said that the two checks in the amount of $3,200 were each for two kits
of human growth hormone. He stated that the check in the amount of $2,200 might have been
for one-and-a-half kits of human growth hormone. Radomski said that he did not sell Vaughn
steroids because Vaughn was “afraid of the big needles.”
"

p 235

Classic :lol:

#627 Deathofthebambino


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:25 PM

This report is inconclusive, incomplete and for the most part based on innuendo and circumstancial evidence. While there are some exceptions (Clemens, the scanned checks), this report leaves a lot to be desired and certainly calls into a question a conflict of interest (the most recent prominent Red Sox "user" was Mo Vaughn for christsakes).


What? Are you even reading it?

#628 Buck Showalter


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:25 PM

Include me in the happy list that The Texas Con Man has been included - in a big way - on this report.

#629 boggartlaura

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:25 PM

No.

As for Brian Roberts, supposedly Roberts was brought into steroids by David Segui, and confessed to using a few times in 2003 under the anonymous "survey tests" in 2004.


From the report:
Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.
He has been selected to two All-Star teams.
Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both
he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.
When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.
According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had
injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never
suspected Roberts of using steroids.
In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give
him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

That "evidence" seems as iffy at best

#630 Kitchkinet

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:25 PM

What? Are you even reading it?

He's a Yankee fan. Don't bother.

#631 OilCanShotTupac


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:27 PM

NO!

















Not Josias Manzanillo!

my world. . . shattered

#632 Deathofthebambino


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:27 PM

From the report:
Brian Roberts is an infielder who has played for the Baltimore Orioles since 2001.
He has been selected to two All-Star teams.
Roberts and Larry Bigbie were both rookies in 2001. According to Bigbie, both
he and Roberts lived in Segui’s house in the Baltimore area during the latter part of that season.
When Bigbie and Segui used steroids in the house, Roberts did not participate.
According to Bigbie, however, in 2004 Roberts admitted to him that he had
injected himself once or twice with steroids in 2003. Until this admission, Bigbie had never
suspected Roberts of using steroids.
In order to provide Roberts with information about these allegations and to give
him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.

That "evidence" seems as iffy at best


What is "iffy" about an eyewitness statement, such as Bigbie there?

Jesus Christ folks, testimony is, you know, evidence.

#633 templeUsox


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:27 PM

This report is inconclusive, incomplete and for the most part based on innuendo and circumstancial evidence. While there are some exceptions (Clemens, the scanned checks), this report leaves a lot to be desired and certainly calls into a question a conflict of interest (the most recent prominent Red Sox user was Mo Vaughn). I don't expect the questions about Mitchell's background to go away - instead, I expect them to intensify.

The Yankees took a big hit today. Live with it and move on.

#634 CaptainLaddie


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:27 PM

George Mitchell helped to broker peace in Ireland. He's a former Senate majority leader and one of the most moral men on the planet.

In conclusion, shut up, twototango.

#635 Talon


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:28 PM

This report is inconclusive, incomplete and for the most part based on innuendo and circumstancial evidence. While there are some exceptions (Clemens, the scanned checks), this report leaves a lot to be desired and certainly calls into a question a conflict of interest (the most recent prominent Red Sox user was Mo Vaughn). I don't expect the questions about Mitchell's background to go away - instead, I expect them to intensify.


I mean yeah if you're not including the 2 members of the 2007 Championship team.

#636 twoBshorty


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:28 PM

Brian Roberts has a congenital heart defect. Taking steroids in light of that strikes me as exceptionally stupid.

#637 opes


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:28 PM

Manny Alexander I didnt expect.

#638 boggartlaura

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:29 PM

What is "iffy" about an eyewitness statement, such as Bigbie there?

Jesus Christ folks, testimony is, you know, evidence.


It isn't an eyewitness statement if all Bigbie has is Roberts telling him that he did steroid.

#639 JohntheBaptist


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:29 PM

So was Bigbie the "unnamed MLB player" that voluntarily cooperated with Mitchell?

#640 Bucknahs Bum Ankle


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:29 PM

I mean yeah if you're not including the 2 members of the 2007 Championship team.

Gagne and ?

#641 Mystic Merlin


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:30 PM

Gagne and ?


Donnelly.

#642 Manny10

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:30 PM

Brendan Donnely

#643 Wingack


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:30 PM

Quick question- how would Mitchell have obtained internal Red Sox emails?



Ummm...he works for the Red Sox. :lol:

I am shocked at the names that are not on the list (Pujols, Hafner, Luiz Gonzalez, Nomar, Abreu, Varitek and many many more). And the list is what I feared, mostly has beens (Marvin Bernard and Hal Morris, who cares!).

There are no current stars named that we didn't already know.

#644 Spelunker

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:30 PM

Gagne and ?


Donnelly

#645 Kitchkinet

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:30 PM

No Sammy Sosa. That's a big one.

#646 Foxy42

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:31 PM

Just another reason to despise Mike Lansing...I love that he is on the report...

#647 Deathofthebambino


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:31 PM

It isn't an eyewitness statement if all Bigbie has is Roberts telling him that he did steroid.


So, you believe that Bigbie is lying?

I suppose you have an explanation as to why he would lie?

#648 Ananti


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:31 PM

All Mitchell did was state the evidence he found. He didn't out and out call Roberts a steroid user, he just stated what he found. He is letting the reader come to their own conclusions about particular players.

#649 opes


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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:31 PM

Sammy Sosa isnt named. Thats a shock.

#650 George Mitchell

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 02:31 PM

I mean yeah if you're not including the 2 members of the 2007 Championship team.

Gagne and Donnelly = Prominent? Maybe 4 years ago, but not with the Red Sox.

Yankees got owned today, big time.